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dude20892000
February 2, 2004, 02:23 PM
Do you think that all states should pass laws that require that every gun owner should have a gunsafe? I say yes, what do you say?

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Black92LX
February 2, 2004, 03:21 PM
i gots a safe but everything doesn't stay in there.

like the stratigcally placed mossbergs! :neener:

what would the point be, can can't make you put everything in there. what purpose would it serve anyway??

Evil_Ed
February 2, 2004, 03:22 PM
I say no, the government has no business legislating what a person does inside their home with their private property. Do you want to give the governent yet another excuse to invade peoples homes and privacy??? All you will do is cause people to buy cheap cra**y filing cabinet grade boxes that can be cut open with a pocket knife anyway! I am a hard core Bill of Rights supporter and am against any firearms laws whatsoever as the all infringe upon the right recognized in the US constitution's Bill of Rights.

armoredman
February 2, 2004, 03:27 PM
Mu home is my castle - don't tell me how to store the swords!

jade
February 2, 2004, 03:44 PM
I say no. The government has no right to tell me how I should store my guns. I am a responsible adult. I can think for myself thank you.

I think it would also make gun ownership very difficult for those with low incomes. They would have to buy the gun AND a safe. What about the woman who finally leaves her abusive husband? Does she have the time and money to buy a gun and a safe.

foghornl
February 2, 2004, 03:45 PM
I say NO!

While a safe may protect you from loss of firearms during a "no one home" burglary, it will only be a major hindrance during a "Home Invasion" type situation.

Try this test some time....place your primary home defense weapon in your safe, empty. Lock safe, store ammo seperately, again locked. Have a friend/family member mimic the sound of smashing in of the front door. See if you can get out of bed, find your keys/combination, open safe, remove weapon, got to next room where ammo/magazines are stored, open that safe, load weapon (use KNOWN EMPTY MAGS or snap caps if you have a revolver. See if you can do all that BEFORE your brother removes parts of you with a machete. Your time limit is 20 seconds...30 seconds if you are upstairs and main entrance is downstairs.

I would generally wager that YOU WILL LOSE.

fjolnirsson
February 2, 2004, 04:07 PM
:rolleyes:

Dude,

What Foghorn said.

:barf:

4v50 Gary
February 2, 2004, 04:16 PM
I think Calif. has some law like that. I bought some gun and had to sign a form stating that I had a safe and had to describe the name & model.

Feanaro
February 2, 2004, 04:27 PM
No. I believe that the individual should be able to decide how s/he wishes to store their firearms. If I cannot be trusted to store them properly, how I can be trusted with a lethal weapon in the first place? Can I be trusted with a car and alchohol? Or with a knife, for that matter?

TallPine
February 2, 2004, 04:45 PM
Do you think that all states should pass laws that require that every gun owner should have a gunsafe? I say yes, what do you say?
Absolutely NOT !!!!

So do you think that every car owner should be required to own a garage?

What about requiring all medicines to be locked in a cabinet?

And what about "keypad locks" on phones so that no unauthorized person can make an obsene phone call?



Just what the heck is it with people who think that they have to control every facet of other people's lives .....? :fire:

greyhound
February 2, 2004, 06:07 PM
what would the point be, (they?)can can't make you put everything in there

Tell that to an Australian (not sure about the UK).

fallingblock
February 2, 2004, 06:57 PM
greyhound has it right:
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"Tell that to an Australian"
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In every Australian state, firearms MUST be in a safe at all times, except when in (approved) use, such as target shooting.

Even cleaning them is technically a violation, more so if the safe is left open while cleaning! :eek:

The Police in New South Wales have recently launched a comprehensive program of home storage inspections for EVERY firearms owner.

If the storage is deemed improper, the firearms owner is fined and likely will lose their firearms licence. :mad:

Of course, if you are an illegal owner, you may store the guns wherever you like...since you also didn't register them or apply for a licence in the first instance:fire: .

By all means, act responsibly and store weapons securely.

But don't fall for the misguided "mandatory storage" argument.:scrutiny:

ReadyontheRight
February 2, 2004, 07:01 PM
:barf: :barf: :barf:

And who invades your home to confirm your compliance with such a law?

How about laws requiring you lock up your car keys and drain your pool when not in use? Cars and swimming pools kill many more children per year than guns.:rolleyes:

CZ-100
February 2, 2004, 07:02 PM
No.. but that said I do own one.

It keeps my kids honest, and any un professional crooks.

ReadyontheRight
February 2, 2004, 07:07 PM
And "all states" shouldn't pass any laws.

States should each pass their own laws individually -- except when it comes to issues specifically protected by the Bill of Rights from the laws of States or the Federal Government -- like "the right of the people to keep and bear arms".

When is this Nanny State cr*p going to end?:uhoh:

Peetmoss
February 2, 2004, 07:48 PM
NO WAY should anyone be required to own a safe a storage cabinet or anything else. It is required for guns to be locked up not more then two miles from me and it is bull hockey.

I do believe owners of firearms should take reasonable precations in securing there firearms, however this should be left up to the individual as what they consider reasonable precautions.

I do myself own a safe. To tell you the truth I felt my firearms were more secure without it especially right after bringing it in. People eyeballed that safe like it said free billion dollars come get me. Before that only my family permit refrences and people I shot with new I had guns. Big gun safe the whole darn neighborhood knows. I would bet that not everyone in my nieghborhood is a fine upstading citizen. Matter of fact I know they arn't.

StuporDave
February 2, 2004, 07:50 PM
Troll

Lupine
February 2, 2004, 08:50 PM
Living in a Nerf-world, in which we're all so padded with federally-mandated layers of self-protecting bubble wrap or foam padding that we can't even manage the oversized buttons on our phones to call some number for permission to smack our own foreheads in a collective "doh!" much less punch in the numbers of our combo-lock gunsafes.

That aside, will somebody call 911 to have the police come over and change my poopy diaper? The smell's beginning to offend my neighbors, and my homeowner's association is beginning to complain.

Ryder
February 2, 2004, 09:12 PM
Though it could be useful for storing all these unused gunlocks :D

mountainclmbr
February 2, 2004, 09:28 PM
ABSOLUTELY THEY SHOULD!!!

But not as a first priority. It should go like this:

1. You should not say any non-approved statements. Neither should you believe in any non-approved religion.

2. Here is where the gun safe requirement goes.

3. You can see where this is going... Fill it in yourself

Daedalus
February 2, 2004, 09:34 PM
I think responsible gun owners should have some kind of method for securing their arms when they leave the house for extended periods of time.

It is not the business of the govt to legislate it though,

Graystar
February 2, 2004, 09:44 PM
The only time legislation should be passed is when it is clearly necessary for the protection of rights.

The situation in England clearly demonstrates that even if you get rid of all the guns, criminals will still have guns. Further, such legislation makes the same erroneous assumption that gun bans do…that taking guns out of the hands of criminals will prevent crime. This theory has been disproved time and time again. That is because the desire the commit a crime is there first, then the criminal decides how to go about it.

Considering these facts, I would conclude that such legislation would not protect any rights, and as such, should not exist.

El Tejon
February 2, 2004, 10:02 PM
The government cannot tell me to build a library for my books. It cannot tell me to buy a safe for my weapons.

I have both a library and safes for my weapons. The government can take a hike.

Art Eatman
February 2, 2004, 10:28 PM
In Kenya during the time of the Mau Mau, there were rather strong penalties for leaving one's firearms unsecured.

I've always figured that I have a responsibility to secure my firearms against theft. I've also figure that "a reasonable and prudent effort" should be sufficient, and there are many inexpensive ways to prevent what might be termed "casual" theft. Few systems are truly secure against a professional thief.

Government does not need to offer mandates about HOW one secures one's property. It can, by precedent, provide for penalties for carelessness. Precedents include leaving an unlocked car with the keys in it, for instance; that's a crime in some jurisdictions. Also, the concept of "contributory negligence" can be applied.

That I have a good safe and that most of my firearms "live there" is beside the point, insofar as personal security in my home. Nothing prevents me from coming home in an unarmed condition and making a stop at my safe my first action after entry. The idea that everything will be locked away at the time of a home invasion is a non-argument...

:), Art

Preacherman
February 2, 2004, 10:41 PM
I'm with Art. I strongly believe that any responsible person should ensure that his/her firearms and ammunition are secured against casual handling by visitors, and even more against casual theft by opportunist burglars. Of course, any professional thief with good equipment will defeat an ordinary gun-safe, but that's a risk one has to take - to defeat such an intruder would require something like a bank vault, which is vastly too expensive for the average person.

That said, I also believe that this should not be legislated. There are those who simply can't afford to spend $600 to $1,000 on a gun safe for their few low-value firearms. They should have the option of some form of cheaper protection. However, I don't believe that there is any excuse not to have at least a cheap, $80 gun cabinet from Wal-Mart secured to the wall and/or floor, even if you only own one gun. It gives me a great deal of peace of mind to know that a BG is unlikely to shoot anyone else with my guns because I made it easy for him to steal them!

Art Eatman
February 3, 2004, 09:04 AM
As example, in keeping with my cheapskate tendencies:

Most hardware stores have larger versions of the screw-eyes common to screen door hooks. Take two of the 3/8" size and screw them into wall studs. Take a piece of 3/8" chain and loop through. Padlock your one and only handgun to the chain, also locking the ends of the chain together. This way, the eyes can't be unscrewed and removed.

This is stronger than the on-sale $79 safes at Wally World (I have a couple) and totals out around maybe $15 or $20.

:), Art

JohnBT
February 3, 2004, 09:51 AM
No matter what kind of storage you use, make sure to lock up your reciprocating saw, grinder, boltcutter, hacksaw, drill, axes, hammers and chisels.

John

Pendragon
February 3, 2004, 10:00 AM
Feed a cold,

Starve a Troll....

TallPine
February 3, 2004, 11:06 AM
And who invades your home to confirm your compliance with such a law?
Someone willing to get shot, I suppose ....

Pilgrim
February 3, 2004, 11:42 AM
I think Calif. has some law like that. I bought some gun and had to sign a form stating that I had a safe and had to describe the name & model.

California requires that all firearms be sold with a trigger or action lock. The only way to escape having to buy a lock is sign an affidavit that you own a DOJ approved safe.

Pilgrim

mod29
February 3, 2004, 02:37 PM
Gun safes make sense for storing all but your home-defense weapon. As already stated, if you have to get inside a locked gun safe to defend yourself at home, you gotta problem.

WA state does not charge sales tax on gun safes, which makes so much sense I can't believe this state even thought of it (assuming it was an original idea).

I believe in gun safes, having been the victim of a break-in many years ago (didn't own a safe then, unfortunately). If folks can afford a good safe, I highly recommend purchasing one.
But, that choice belongs to the person forking over the cash...not the gov't.

Jim

dustind
February 20, 2004, 12:22 AM
The only effect of such a law would be to criminalize more gun owners, to keep poor people and the less dedicated from buying, and to make self defense nearly impossible. It would not make homes safer for children.

Oh yea, I am aginast any such law.

ReadyontheRight
February 20, 2004, 12:52 PM
In "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand, Dr. Floyd Ferris tells Hank Rearden:

"...We're after power and we mean it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with...."

fix
February 20, 2004, 12:58 PM
Hmmm. dude20892000 registers and posts 3 times in one day about the same thing, then disappears.

Trolling for good "evil gun owner" quotes anyone?

dude20892000
February 20, 2004, 02:10 PM
Take it easy guys...I am not in the gun safe business. I ask the questions sbecause I want to know the answers. Cheers.

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