Differences between rifle and pistol suppressors?


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Saakee
December 1, 2011, 06:51 AM
I compiled a list of weapons I want to buy as time goes by [though i also debate just saving up until I can buy them all at once]. For many of them, I'd like to get suppressors but I'd much like to economize. If I were to get a suppressor for my .458 SOCOM, with different adapters could it theoretically be used on

A 1911,
A Kriss Vector, and
A .45-70 lever gun?

Or could a a suppressor for an AR57 be used on

A .22 upper,
A 5.56mm upper, or
A Ruger Mark II?


Or say I get a suppressor for my Glock in 9mm. Would I be able to use it on a 9mm upper for an AR15 or a SUB2000 in 9mm or would the RAD on the glock suppressor I was looking at cause issues?

I've googled around for this information before but couldn't really find what I was exactly looking for aside from people discussing using their AR-10 cans on their AR-15s and the like and how it minimized the chance of baffle strikes will only resulting in a few decibel loss over optimum.

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Bubbles
December 1, 2011, 09:28 AM
It's going to vary by manufacturer. In general a rifle suppressor will work on a pistol, but not vice-versa.

Also, the manufacturer may state the suppressor isn't rated for f/a fire, and others may specify a minimum barrel length if you're putting it on an SBR.

Chopdoktor
December 1, 2011, 10:01 AM
Generally, it is more of a function of the specific cartridge and the pressures it generates when fired, as opposed to what kind of weapon platform it is used for. I have a 9mm suppressor that I use on my Glock 17 (using a booster mount), as well as my .22's and my 9mm AR15. Its adapters are threaded 1/2x28, so I could theoretically put it on one of my 5.56 ARs, but it is NOT made to stand up to the much higher pressures and volumes of gas that are expelled when firing a rifle round.

To withstand these forces, rifle-caliber suppressors are built with stronger (and often much heavier) materials, and they are built with higher internal volumes (making them larger). All of these factors combine to make using rifle suppressors on pistols an option that is less than ideal.

RhinoDefense
December 1, 2011, 03:47 PM
Thread pitch issues aside, the suppressor is engineered with the cartridge gas volume and muzzle pressure in mind (along with dozens of other considerations). Something developed for the 5.7 cartridge should be OK with a .22 rimfire, but not .223 Remington. Something developed for the .223 Remington should be OK with a .22 rimfire and 5.7. Does that make sense?

1KPerDay
December 1, 2011, 05:01 PM
To confuse the issue even more, some suppressors are rated okay for semi auto but not full-auto use. high-power, full-auto capable suppressors have to be really strong.

TXSWFAN
December 1, 2011, 05:51 PM
I use the SWR Trident 9 on my G19, Beretta 92, M16A2 with a 5" 9mm upper, FA UZI and the MP5. Works awesome on all the platforms I've used it on. I use the SWR HEMS CT on the HK USP and the 10mm M16 upper. I've never put a rifle cartridge thru them.

As others have mentioned you just have to have different adapters for different threads, but they're readily available.

rjrivero
December 1, 2011, 08:49 PM
For .357 sized bullets and smaller, you'll be hard pressed to find something more versatile than a Libery Mystic (http://www.libertycans.net/mystic.html).

The Mystic is rated for the
following calibers.

22 Hornet
22 K Hornet
218 Bee
223 REM - 16" BBL
30 PPC - Subsonic
30 Carbine
32-20
357 MAG
221 Fireball
32 S&W Long
32 H&R Magnum
380
9X18
9X19 (Base Caliber)
38 Super
38 Special
38 S&W
357 Max - Subsonic
338 Spectre
300 BLK
300 Whisper
300/221
308 Win- Subsonic
all rimfire cartridges

Saakee
December 1, 2011, 10:01 PM
RhinoDefense, Yes.
1KPerDay, hadn't thought about that, have to add that to my list of considerations since i want to get a slide fire bump stock for an AR build.
RJRivero, sweet, adding that as well. They show some full auto, when they say slowfire do they mean only OCCASIONAL burst fire or do they mean just semi-auto fire only? Also, what was meant by mirage covers?
Looks like instead of 2 cans, I'll probably be getting 3 or 4.

Edit: nevermind on the mirage cover, realized what it meant a minute later.

rjrivero
December 2, 2011, 12:48 AM
Saakee: For slowfire, they mean semi-auto only for those calibers. I believe they are talking limited rates of fire, limited by the heat. A mirage cover is a heat shield put over the suppressor to limit the vision obscuring heat mirage coming off of the suppressor. The limiting factor on this can is heat. The titanium tube is thin, and it should be allowed to cool.

Aaron Baker
December 2, 2011, 09:28 PM
I'm interested in whether anyone knows of a can that works out of the box for the .458 SOCOM. That's my favorite SBR'd AR15 upper, and I'd love to have a can for it, but figured I'd be looking at something custom if I wanted to go that route.

Would it be safe to assume that a can built for a .458 SOCOM, which is a rifle cartridge (but perhaps lower pressure than some other rifles cartridges) would probably be okay for almost anything smaller?

Aaron

rjrivero
December 2, 2011, 10:56 PM
I'm interested in whether anyone knows of a can that works out of the box for the .458 SOCOM. That's my favorite SBR'd AR15 upper, and I'd love to have a can for it, but figured I'd be looking at something custom if I wanted to go that route.

Would it be safe to assume that a can built for a .458 SOCOM, which is a rifle cartridge (but perhaps lower pressure than some other rifles cartridges) would probably be okay for almost anything smaller?

Aaron

SAS Industries (http://www.suppressedarmament.com/) makes them "semi custom."

SSK Industries (http://sskindustries.com/) has made them as well.

If I were you, though, my first call would be to TROMIX (http://www.tromix.com/Projects_o_Tromix.htm). Tony Rumore designed and built that cartridge, if I recall correctly.....didn't he?

Saakee
December 2, 2011, 11:09 PM
I'm interested in whether anyone knows of a can that works out of the box for the .458 SOCOM. That's my favorite SBR'd AR15 upper, and I'd love to have a can for it, but figured I'd be looking at something custom if I wanted to go that route.

Would it be safe to assume that a can built for a .458 SOCOM, which is a rifle cartridge (but perhaps lower pressure than some other rifles cartridges) would probably be okay for almost anything smaller?

Aaron
check out the 458socom forums (http://458socomforums.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=46254ace5339e1b9eac641caf433ec52&board=17.0), they seem to be back after their issues.

Darkbob
December 7, 2011, 11:10 AM
In reference to the .458 SOCOM, SBRAmmunition.com (http://www.sbrammunition.com/class3.html) has them available fairly inexpensively also.

Mac Attack
December 7, 2011, 01:18 PM
Have been considering buying a new can and the Liberty Mystic looks like a great multi caliber option.

Aaron Baker
December 7, 2011, 04:07 PM
In reference to the .458 SOCOM, SBRAmmunition.com has them available fairly inexpensively also.

Thanks! Didn't know there was someone that had them "in stock" and with pricing listed right on their website.

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