February 2004 Virtual Match for Fellow THR Members

[photo_guy]

Shoot-Till-75


OK, last moths match was a tough one. Perhaps a bit “too real” for some of the participants who would have liked to continue ignoring those “flyers” so their ego doesn’t get hurt. I can understand that.

This month we have a game that will require you to determine the best strategy based on your shooting ability. In this match the name of the game is to score EXACTLY 75 points, through any combination of shots, using a target with different point values assigned. The “score” will be the number of shots required to complete the accumulation of 75 points.

Because of the inputs I have received, we will have both rifle and pistol classes this month, but each at different ranges. This should allow most people to participate in one or both classes. The ranges specified are shorter to make things a bit easier after last month.

Target : Download the February Target (http://members.aol.com/way2go4159/ST75_A.pdf)

Distance: 10 yards (Pistol) or 25 yards (Rifle)

Rounds per Target :As needed. The reported score is the number of rounds needed to score EXACTLY 75 points.

Targets per Entry : 1 target per class entry. Each shooter may enter in TWO total classes; one rifle, one pistol or two rifle or two pistol. A single class entry is also acceptable for those with only one firearm.


Procedure and scoring:
The object of this match is to get to 75 total points with the fewest number of shots fired.

Targets are to be placed at 10 yards from the shooter for handgun class (or 25 yards for rifle class). Firearms may be held using standard holds but may not be supported, sling is OK for rifles.

The target consists of several circles or varying sizes and point values of +10, +20, +30, and +50 points.

The background area around the circles is considered a ‘miss’ area and counts as minus 5 points.

The shooter may determine the combination of point values that will result in 75 points.


The points are earned based on the values on the target.

A shot that breaks the line on a circular target counts as a hit and the value of that circle is earned.

Any shot that hits in the ‘miss’ area will deduct 5 points from the total score.

The shooter is to track the number of points earned after each shot and can not stop until the total of all points and misses results in a score of exactly 75 points. Since everyone will complete the match with a 75 the “score” to report will be the number of rounds fired to achieve 75 points.

Note that all the point values for “target” features are multiples of 10. Therefore, in order to get a score of 75 at least one “miss” is required.(Actually, and odd number of misses is needed.) You must actually shoot a 'miss(es)' as needed to get the required point total and they must be on the target. You can not 'assume you will miss. If you hit a positive scoring target when you are trying to miss the points still count! Also, if you completely miss the target that round still counts in your score.


EXAMPLE 1 : A target with +50, +20, +10, MISS(-5) = 75 points in 4 shots

EXAMPLE 2 : A target with +10,+10,+10,+10,+10, MISS(-5), MISS(-5), +20, +20, MISS(-5) = 75 points in 10 shots.


Classes:

Handgun – Any caliber handgun, no optics @ 10 yards

Handgun w/optics – Any caliber handgun with optics @ 10 yards

Rifle – Any caliber rifle, no optics @ 25 yards

Rifle w/optics – Any Caliber rifle, with optics @ 25 yards

Entries: Shooter may enter up to TWO entries this month but each must be from different classes.

ENTRY CUT-OFF DATE = 2/29/2004


Please post your scores here on this thread with the following information:

THR Member Name –
Total number of shots to 75 = _______shots
50ptsx____
40ptsX____
20ptsx____
10ptsX____
MISS(-5)x____
Class --
Weapon --
Caliber –


The Basic Rules:
-Treat all guns as if they were always loaded
-Never let the muzzle cover anything that you are not willing to destroy
-Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target
-Be sure of your target and what’s behind it
-SAFELY follow the course of fire described for each month’s match
-Only shoot where it is safe and legal to do so
-Ammo – Feel free to use any ammunition you like, as long as it is safe. The bottom line is to SHOOT SAFELY.
-Print only one 'official' target per class that you plan to enter.
-Practice shots for 'warm-up' are allowed prior to shooting the match target but the 'official' targets should not be used.

HONOR CODE: Remember: “Character means Doing the Right Thing Even When Nobody's Looking.” Print out only ONE target per shooter per class per month. Shoot your course of fire and report your score.

[ProCharger]

Just a thought....but on the miss that is required....maybe change it to where a miss must hit the paper? Otherwise a shot can be fired in the dirt and we would never know. Kind of makes it more interesting? Again just a thought, and im lookin forward to this match.

BTW the download was not workin for me of the target.

Brett

[photo_guy]

ProCharger,
Yup, good catch. I intended the "miss" to be on the target. I'll fix that.

The target is a pdf file. I am able to download it an I hope everyone will be able to get it. I can try putting on another server and see if that works. If all else fails I can email it to people on request.

[esheato]

Am I retarded or does this only equal 65?

EXAMPLE 2 : A target with +10,+10,+10,+10, MISS(-5), MISS(-5), +20, +20, MISS(-5) = 75 points in 9 shots.

esheato..

[photo_guy]

esheato., I don't know you well enough to make that assesment.

But you are correct. I missed adding a +10.

Corrected now. Thanks

[esheato]

I swear I counted that thing 15 times to make sure I wasn't missing something...Whew, at least I'm not retarded.

Shoot well and prosper.

esheato...

[Beetle Bailey]

Oh, cool. I think I can do better this month (at least, I can't do worse, since I got all "zeroes" last month :o ). Looking at the target, I think I will try using my Swedish Mauser M38 and maybe see if BamBam-31 will lend me his scoped Ruger 10/22. I'm afraid all my other rifles might shoot too high at 25 yards. Anyways, this one looks really fun and I can't wait to get to the range, which I guess is the main point with these matches ;) . Thanks :D !

[Edward429451]

Firearms may be held using standard holds but may not be supported, sling is OK for rifles.

Is this a fancy way of saying offhand? Prone is supported in my mind, sitting with elbows on knees is supported, rice paddy prone is supported at arms...Or does this mean no benched, bipods, or sandbags?

[photo_guy]

Is this a fancy way of saying offhand?

Yes, offhand.

The range is only 25 yards so you shouldn't need much. Also, most people can't do prone or seated positions this time of year so it wouldn't be fair to allow those now.

[Edward429451]

Gotcha.

My range is snowed in too, but I'd lay down in it to get my score up off its knees from last month's match!

[El Rojo]

I respectfully request that a shooter be allowed to enter all four classes. If you have the handguns and the rifles, why not shoot all four? As was practice last year, only your hightest score will be counted for the grand finale so if you shoot four classes, it is just more fun for you. If you win all four classes honestly, then you deserve the accolades.

What do you all think? I think this is going to be a real fun match and I want to shoot all four. I really like this one Photo Guy. You made up for that monstrousity last month.

***1 minute later hindsight!***
I don't have a scoped pistol so I only need to shoot in three matches, but my request still stands. If you have all four, why not be able to shoot all four? This is for fun right?

***hindsight number 2***
I forgot about my CCW Garand. But wait, that doesn't have a scope either. What about my CCW Remington Model 700 VS in .308 w/ Leupold 6.5-20x50 LRT? (http://home.bak.rr.com/elrojo14/pictures/700prtc4.jpg) :D

[NightWolfe]

I'm thinking this match will make up for my poor performace from last month .. gonna find out soon ..

[ReadyontheRight]

Photo_guy -- Looks like a fun one this month!

Although your shoots are kind of like Algebra -- or the mathematical story problems we all love to hate (Train A leaves Chicago at 60 mph, at the same time Train B leaves Cincinatti...):D

Thanks for taking over -- I think I was running out of good ideas and I really like your creativity. Thanks also for the extra time for January -- I think I might make it out for both this week. We just got a foot or so of snow, so I'll try to remember to get a photo of the range.

[Edward429451]

I'm with El Rojo, I'd like to enter in three classes. Was thinking about that last night.

Waitaminute...If I took the scope off the Ranch rifle, them Ruger rings would bolt right on to the Redhawk. Maybe I could enter all four classes.

Hmmm, what say ye?:D

[Outlander]

Posted by ROTR
......Although your shoots are kind of like Algebra -- or the mathematical story problems we all love to hate.....

Man you got that right. It'll take me 'til the 29th to figure this one out :D

Just joking ... It looks like it'll be fun (like all of them so far)

BTW El Rojo has a good idea about entering all 4 classes.
(El Rojo ... Could you post a pic of the rig you use for your CCW Garand?) :eek:

[Ankeny]

I just printed the target. Looks like it will be a lot of fun. I think lots of folks will get it done in three.

[El Rojo]

My CCW Garand is just your standard M1 Garand. I would post pictures of how I conceal it, but this being the High Road and all, my post would be edited by a moderator. :evil:

[photo_guy]

El Rojo saidI respectfully request that a shooter be allowed to enter all four classes. If you have the handguns and the rifles, why not shoot all four? As was practice last year, only your hightest score will be counted for the grand finale so if you shoot four classes, it is just more fun for you. If you win all four classes honestly, then you deserve the accolades.


Let me explain my thought process regarding limiting the number of classes for the matches and see if you still feel the same about your request to allow all four classes per shooter.

The 'traditional rules' have used the highest score from each shooter for each month to calculate the overall yearly 'winner'. That means, the more entries per month the better your chances to get a higher score. While there is nothing wrong with this if everyone had the ability to do so, it doesn't seem fair to a particapant who only has one gun that meets the requirements for a match (or, G-d forbid, only owns one gun:D ).

It is for this 'fairness to the firearms challenged' that I thought the limited number of entries was appropriate.

My philosophy regarding these matches includes:
Make the matches fun.
Make the matches challenging, but not impossible.
Make the matches fair for all.
Encourage particapation (through application of the above)
Follow the lead that ROTR has established for these matches


Now, with that said, we can consider some options. How would people feel about allowing all classes to be entered if we change the annual score calculation to use the LOWEST score for each month?

Also, I am currently running these matches as a temporary "guest co-ordinator". I still recognize ROTR as the owner of these matches. Just because I set specific match rules for 'my term of office' does not mean that the next match co-ordinator can't make different rules.

[El Rojo - you are going to run the March and April matches? Right?]

I am certainly open to additional discussion on this matter.

[jamz]

You, Sir, are completely insane.






I can't wait to try this one. :D

Your originality in coming up with these matches is great. :)

One question though- shouldn't the distances for the guns with optics be a little greater than for those without optics?

-James

[photo_guy]

jamz saidYou, Sir, are completely insane.

Gee. I really hope that comment was related to the match and not my last post. I think...well, maybe it really doesn't matter.


...shouldn't the distances for the guns with optics be a little greater than for those without optics?

I had considered having different distances for scoped classes but I decided the directions were complacated enough as it was. Since all targets with optics will be grouped together it will be a level playing field for that class. [Plus, I got the distinct sense that people really wanted something a little less demanding after last months match. Don't know why, just a feeling. ;) ]

[Kamicosmos]

Looks like a lot of fun!

I did have a question, but I figured it out, so I won't embarrass myself with it.


(I'll let my shooting do that!) ;)

[El Rojo]

Well Photo Guy this is your match and you do set the rules.

My counter argument is that if I were entering 2 or 3 different guns from the same class, then it would be as you said, not quite fair. However, in this case, there are 4 classes, two that deal with rifles and two that deal with handguns. Just because I can shoot a rifle with a scope, doesn't mean I can shoot a rifle with iron sights and most certainly doesn't mean I can shoot a handgun, scoped or not. If you were allowing multiple entries in one class, I think it would be unfair. If you are entering in multiple classes, then you still have to compete against 4 different sets of people with varrying levels of skill.

I am completely against the lowest score rule. That is why my scores sucked so bad last year. I wanted to shoot a couple of different guns and classes because it was fun and I had a chance to shoot my guns that otherwise go unshot. However, I was penalized for that and it decreased my incentive to shoot those usually unused guns, which is sort of counter to the point of this match. And as you can tell by my scores, allowing me to shoot in multiple classes didn't really mean I had 4 great scores, it meant I sucked at one discipline and did ok in another.

I say let people shoot in the spirit of fun and shooting as many guns as you can. For those of you without guns in all four classes, go buy some more guns. And that statement applies to me; I don't have a scoped handgun other than my CCW Remington Model 700 VS in .308 w/ Leupold 6.5-20x50 LRT. I would like to meet the THR member that would advocate moderation when it comes to the number of firearms purchased and owned (if you have the financial means).

However, all of this is a moot point should Photo Guy decide it is his match and his rules. I will submit to your decision. Just please don't bring back the lowest score counts for the year rule. Please oh please oh please do anything but that. :(

[Cameron Lamont]

I have never competed in a Virtual Match before, I will try to shoot this tomrrow and then post my results.

Thanks for the great ideas.

Regards,
Cameron

[Edward429451]

While I see PhotoGuys point clearly, I do agree with El Rojo. This is not a national championship. No fees, no prizes, so maximum participation encouraged. The average participation in last years matches was 11.6 persons per match IIRC. We don't need fair par se, we need maximum participation, encouragement to shoot more, encouragement to aquire more firearms. This is what it's all about, no?

If prizes or entry fees were involved I could see stricter rules. But there isn't so why limit participation for the benefit of the one(s) who have only one gun etc.? It's just for fun.

I'm not complaining and I'm not telling anyone how they should set up their matches. These are just my thoughts and suggestions. I'll adhere to whatever you guys come up with. I realize it's just for fun and just think we should exploit the fun factor while allowing us to pursue personal best for the year. If it does or doesn't beat others for the year, so be it.

[photo_guy]

Thanks for the input El Rojo and Edward.


To quote one of my favorite movies "Mr. Gambini, that is a lucid, well thought-out, intelligent objection."

I do agree that: We don't need fair par se, we need maximum participation, encouragement to shoot more, encouragement to aquire more firearms. This is what it's all about, no?


So, in that spirit, I propose the following:
Shooters may enter more than the the maximum two classes per shooter if, and only if, they do not use their own firearms for the extra classes.

"Huh? What is that?" You say.

To encourage additional participation I want the current participants to get out and bring a buddy with them to the range. I also want people to try new guns (at least new-to-them). So, if you need to use a firearm that is not yours for those additional entries we might get more shooters out there sharing their firearms at the range and having a general good time.

I will allow firearms borrowed from friends (especially if they are with you, and you share with them). I will also allow rented firearms if you have a range that provides that service. And, I will also allow firearms that you have purchased within the last month (there is your excuse to buy that one you've been putting off).



What was that quote from Jamz.....
-----------------------------------------
You, Sir, are completely insane.
-----------------------------------------

[Edward429451]

I think that's a great idea PG.

I had a brain fart thinking my scope from the ranch rifle would work on my Redhawk, eye relief. Would a borrowed Reddot sight count acceptable for the scoped handgun class?

[El Rojo]

Since I am the arms supplier and have had entered 5 new shooters (all using my guns) other than myself during THR matches, can I shoot more than two classes if I bring them with me and they submit scores? As it stands if I bring a non-shooting buddy along he gets to shoot all 4 classes and I only get to shoot two.

I don't know about the renting firearms. All that is is a financial requirement. Then we are saying that you can buy additional entries and you still don't have any new guns.

It is all good. I will just shoot my two entries and get revenge next month!!! [evil laugh] :neener: Maybe I will bring my wife out and have her shoot the extra entry. I hope she wins!

[photo_guy]

Man, tough crowd.

[MLC]

I just noticed the post, I'll try it tomorrow.

[Ankeny]

You guys can't believe how hard it is for me to read and understand these posts. Geesh, I am so easily confused.

[photo_guy]

Well, it looks like we will have some new participants this month. Glad to see it.

Welcome Cameron Lamont, MLC, and any other members out there trying this out for the first time. Hope you enjoy it.

[jamz]

Photo_guy, by "completely insane", naturally I mean that in the best possible way. :)

Thanks for your work in putting all this together, complexity or no. Personally, I kinda like complexity. It adds another dimension to things.

-James

[photo_guy]

jamz said:
Photo_guy, by "completely insane", naturally I mean that in the best possible way.


I figured as much. That is why I have added that to my sig line. I like it!:D

[Mal H]

photo_guy - looking at the target, I think there is a small typo. It has +10, +20, +40, +50 and -5 in the lower right table, but the target has a +30 area and not +40.

[photo_guy]

I think there is a small typo. It has +10, +20, +40, +50 and -5 in the lower right table, but the target has a +30 area and not +40.

Yes. That is a typo on the target. Obviously you should cross it out and use +30. I had originally designed the target with the scores on the target table but made a modification and forgot to correct the table. I had put the table there for your use, if needed, it is certainly not required especially since we aren't mailing in targets. {It also says Jan 2004 and we are running it during Feb 2004}

[MLC]

Ok, my turn with the retard helmet:
Are we to intentionally miss to score a 75?

(edit AHA, reading is important!)

[El Rojo]

So I take it my taking a new shooter still limits me to my own guns. :scrutiny:

With all of the details we discuss, should we consider making a Monthly Match Rules and Results thread and then a general monthly match discussion thread? That way all of the hub-bub and rules clarifications can be made in the discussion area and then any edited changes can be made in the rules-results section.

Another idea. The results can be PMed to the month's coordinator and that way the rules and results section can be locked and the month coordinator can then post them as they come in in the Rules-Results thread.

Or actually, the nice thing was the scores were never mentioned until the end of the month. I thought it used to be an unwritten rule that we really didn't post or discuss scores until they were officially announced. I liked it that way because if some hot shot did really well, I wouldn't get discouraged and not post because I already knew he beat me. For some reason one month someone posted their scores and not too long after it became the virtual match and we just posted them. I think partly it was due to ROTR being so busy and his e-mail wasn't gettting flooded.

I think these are two good ideas and we ought to consider them. Lets make a locked Monthly Rules and Results thread. We can make a new one every month. Maybe even have a locked Yearly Total Thread. Then every month have a Monthly Match General Discussion Thread that is also changed every month. That way the new guys won't be inundated with all of my suggestions and complaints about Photo Guy's oppression and they can just see what the match is and what to do. We can include links to the general discussion thread and also direct them to PM or e-mail the month's coordinator for any additional questions. Look at last months match. It is on its 4th page!!! If I just got to that and read the rules and wanted to post, I might not because I didn't want to go through 4 pages of crap from some dude named El Rojo.

Sadly I just realized the other option, ban me from posting! :uhoh:

Here is my prototype that I just created over in the testing section. Go check it out. http://www.thehighroad.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=28

[photo_guy]

El Rojo,

I like those suggestions. I was actually thinking along the same lines regarding posting a seperate thread with a FAQ regarding the matches that would be 'floated' and locked with the rules and guidlines. I was planning to open a thread for developing the FAQ rules today but you beat me to it.

Since you will be taking over the matches next month how about we work out the rules together by PM/email and post them when they are complete?

[Kamicosmos]

I think a Yearly Totals thread would be nice.


I dunno about the not posting scores until all results are in. True, sometimes it is discouraging when you see a bunch of perfect scores when you are thinking you might not do to well. But, at the same times, I get motivated sometimes by seeing either really good scores (I can shoot that well too, I bet!) or seeing some not so good scores (HaHa!! I can beat them all this time! Muhahahaaa!)

Perhaps maybe a weekly update of the scores recieved that week. That way, the thread will still be organized and formated the same by the mods, but, will still show scores coming in at a steady rate? Perhaps that will be a balance between the two extremes?

[MLC]

THR Member Name –MLC
Total number of shots to 75 = 7 shots
50ptsx____ 0
30ptsX____ 30
20ptsx____ 60
10ptsX____ 0
MISS(-5)x -15
Class -- rifle
Weapon -- CZ 452
Caliber – 22lr

[photo_guy]

Glad to see at least one person was able to understand my instructions for this months match!

[MLC]

Misery loves company fellows.
Some of you must have a backyard, a .22 and two legs to pace it off right?

[photo_guy]

Don't worry MLC, the entries will come. Most people tend to wait until the last week before they 'get around' to shooting the match.

[Ankeny]

Things didn't work out as planned, but it's better to be lucky than good. Shot the match cold with my .45 first. Missed the +50 right off the bat, but nailed it on the second shot. No guts no glory. Shot my open blaster on the second target and darn missed the +50 but it squeeked by.

THR Member - Ankeny
Total number of shots to 75 = 3 shots
50 pts. x 1 = 50 pts.
30 pts. x 1 = 30 pts.
Miss x1 -5 pts

Class - Handgun
Weapon - Les Baer Premeir II
Caliber - .45 ACP


THR Member - Ankeny
Total number of shots to 75 = 3 shots
50 pts. x 1 = 50 pts.
30 pts. x 1 = 30 pts.
Miss x 1 -5 pts

Class - Handgun with optics
Weapon - STI Open Blaster
Caliber - .38 Super

[El Rojo]

Well this month was much better than last month and much more fun! A fun match.

El Rojo
Hangun Class
1x50
1x30
1x-5
3=75
Glock 27
.40 S&W (http://home.bak.rr.com/elrojo14/pictures/Postal%202-6-04%20Glock%2027.jpg)

El Rojo
Rifle Class - Scoped
3x30
3x-5
6=75
Ruger 10/22
.22 LR

After getting big fat zeros for last month, I was really happy to shoot this month's so well with my Glock 27. As you can see though, I almost threw my last shot into that big black circle!!! I would have been rather mad.

Sorry I wasn't able to shoot my CCW Remington 700 VS in .308 for the Scoped Handgun because I didn't have a friend to go with me.

Next month is mine! Everyone get ready!

[photo_guy]

Next month is mine! Everyone get ready!

I can't wait!

BTW - Really nice shot on that 50 pt zone. Can't get much nicer than that.

I think I made this one too easy. We will likely have several ties at the top of the list to offset the ties at the bottom last month.

[Outlander]

New glasses make things so much clearer

THR Member Name – outlander
Total number of shots to 75 = ___3____shots
50ptsx__1__
30ptsX__1__
20ptsx____
10ptsX____
MISS(-5)x__1__
Class -- Handgun/Iron sights
Weapon -- 4" S&W 686
Caliber – .38


http://img9.photobucket.com/albums/v24/outlander/Feb.jpg

[photo_guy]

A "THR match rules and FAQ" file has been created and posted. This will be the reference guide for all future matches. The match coordinator will post the specific requirements for each month but will reference this post for general rules.

Check it out here THR Match Rules and FAQ post (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64130)

[Ankeny]

For those of you who consider last month almost impossible and this month way too easy, consider this. I superimposed last months target over a reasonable reproduction of El Rojo's and Outlander's 3 shots to 75 targets from this month. The hits in the 50 circle would be a 10 last month and the hits in the 30 circle would be well within the 9 ring. Hitting the 50 circle this month is much more difficult than shooting inside the 9 ring last month.

Getting to 75 in 3 hits this month is about the same level of difficulty as holding the 9 ring last month. The only difference is consistency.

[photo_guy]

Getting to 75 in 3 hits this month is about the same level of difficulty as holding the 9 ring last month. The only difference is consistency.

There is one critical difference - last month was at 50 ft and this month is at 10 yards. That does make a big difference.

[El Rojo]

That 20 extra feet and having to do it 10 times in a row does make a big difference.

[Ankeny]

What the hell was I thinking? Big time brain fart.

[patentnonsense]

THR Member Name – patentnonsense
Total number of shots to 75 = 13!!! shots
50ptsx____ 0
40ptsX____0
20ptsx5 = 100
10ptsX 1 = 10_
MISS(-5)x 7 = -35
Class -- Handgun/Iron sights
Weapon -- Beretta Billennium
Caliber – 9mm

Newbie shooting a new gun - as you can tell, things didn't go QUITE according to plan!

LMAO in last,

[photo_guy]

Glad I could provide some entertainment for you. Welcome to the match!

I hate to say it, but, your results were what I expected when I designed this months match. I expected that their might be some profanity uttered by people when "things didn't go QUITE as planned". I hope people will share their original plan and how things actually worked out.

[ChiefPilot]

THR Member Name – ChiefPilot
Total number of shots to 75 = ___6___shots
50ptsx_1__
30ptsX_1__
20ptsx_0__
10ptsX_1__
MISS(-5)x_3__
Class -- Handgun, no optics
Weapon -- Ruger Mk. II Target
Caliber – .22lr


It took me two shots to figure out the proper site picture ; the first time I didn't hold low enough and the second time I held too low. The third shot hit the +50 circle, the fourth shot hit the +30, the fith hit the +10, and the last shot brought me back down to 75.

This was cool - can't wait till next month's match!

[Outlander]

It took me two shots to figure out the proper site picture ; the first time I didn't hold low enough and the second time I held too low. The third shot hit the +50 circle, the fourth shot hit the +30, the fith hit the +10, and the last shot brought me back down to 75.

Next time sight in on a similar target and after you and the gun are warmed up, set up the match targets.
I think we had to shoot with a cold gun only once, to simulate hunting conditions.

This was cool - can't wait till next month's match!

They're all fun ... made to enjoy. Welcome aboard.

[patentnonsense]

I thought the rules said we weren't supposed to sight in on a similar target??

[ChiefPilot]

Next time sight in on a similar target and after you and the gun are warmed up, set up the match targets.
You're right of course - I should have taken at least a couple of warm-up shots. Next time!

They're all fun ... made to enjoy. Welcome aboard.
Thanks - I had no idea something like this even existed until a thread about it was posted over in the general discussion group.

[Outlander]

I thought the rules said we weren't supposed to sight in on a similar target??

You can shoot on a similar target ... not an EXACT copy (dont print out more than one copy of the "official" target).
This way no one will be tempted to shoot a bunch of targets then use the best one for scoring.

If I'm wrong on this will one of the officials let me know please?

[jamz]

Well, I had meant to submit 2 targets today, but I forgot my rifle at home. :banghead:

I still had my pistols though, so I went to do those.

My plan was to shoot at the 50 first, that way I could get away with one miss which would count as, well, the miss. that way I would get two shots at the small 50 ring. Then I would go into the 20 to get 70, then the 10 for 80. Here's how it went.

I shot it, and it is a pretty close call. I am not used to judging these things, so I will leave it up to the THR VM shooters. Here is a close-up of the shot.

http://www.mricenter.com/jamz/shoot2.jpg

I decided to call it a hit, because it looks to me like the outer ring does touch the 50 ring marker, but I will defer to the more experienced shooters here if I am wrong, and if I am, I will re-hang the target, and continue shooting at it. :p

However, thinking this was a hit, I went for the 20. Here I started shooting a bit high (No, no me, it was the gun ;) ) I got it in the 20, then shot for the 10, and it went high again. Really high. It was a miss. I aimed lower, and it went in dead center. Here's the overall picture.

http://www.mricenter.com/jamz/shoot1.jpg

So, here we go:

THR Member Name – jamz
Total number of shots to 75 = __4(?)_____shots
50ptsx__1__
40ptsX__0__
20ptsx__1__
10ptsX_1___
MISS(-5)x__1__
Class -- pistol, open sights
Weapon -- SW1911
Caliber – .45 ACP

Of course, sitting here, I am asking myself why I didn't plan to go 50, 30, and 1 miss. It's because, sadly, I'm not that bright. ;) Oh well.

Fun match, photo_guy!

-James

[ProCharger]

Probably gonna have to leave that up to photo guy. His rules stated the bullet must break the line, not sure if touching the line would count as yours definately touches the line, but does the actual bullet break plane? I dunno, I would have probably scored it as a hit as well, but thats just me. Nice shooting for an open sight pistol.

Brett

[ProCharger]

BTW can i participate with the my pistol at 15 yards instead of 10? 15 is the shortest my local range has to shoot.

[photo_guy]

jamz - When I first looked at the picture of your target I was ready to say - "sorry, didn't break the line so it won't count". I want the rules to match conventions used in competitions where possible, and I had always heard that scoring was pretty strict regarding 'breaking the line". I also want these to be fun so we don't need to get too anal about it.
I did a google search to see what conventions are used for bullseye shooting (I have never done that type of competition so I don't have direct experience to draw on). I found this : "A shot hole, the leaded edge of which comes in contact with the outside of the bullseye or scoring rings of a target, is given the highest value". To me your target meets that definition.

So, since the line is so wide on this target let's accept the "comes in contact with the outside" convention for scoring.

This actually helps me also. I will post my target and you will see that I "broke the line" but, boy, it was close.

ProCharger - Sure. If you wish to enter at a longer distance that is fine. Go ahead and note it when you post your score and, in the event of a tie we can give you some 'extra credit' for the added range.

Patentnonesense - Outlander is correct. The default rules do allow you to shoot at other targets prior to the match unless otherwise specified. That means you can shoot at a target to get your sight picture and point of impact/aim down before you "start the match" but you should not use the actual match image targets for anything but the match.
The line is blurry as to what the form of the non-match target can be. We leave that to your moral code. A copy of the match target or another printout of the match target is not acceptable. Other than that...

Personally I use the default "diamond 5-up" sighting target that the range I go to provides as my sighting in target. If I can hit a 1" diamond I should be able to sight in apprpriately on whatever shape the match target is for the month. At the least I can get a good assessment of how good/bad I'm shooting that day.

[El Rojo]

I think that is a good call Photo Guy. I have always gone by the little black stuff the bullet leaves behind. If it touches the line, it is good. I have run into a couple months where the black stuff was like thousandths of an inch from the line, but I could see white! I wanted that bullet to move just a fraction further, but it never did no matter how much I willed it in my head.

For my practice I use half of a manilla folder with a 3/4" target paster in the middle of it.

[Ankeny]

photo_guy:

I have wondered why you used breaking the line instead of touching. Now I know. The only competitions that I am aware of that go with "breaking" instead of "touching" are some black powder competitons. FWIW, touching the next highest scoring ring is used in IPSC, IDPA, NRA Action Pistol, PPC, etc.

[photo_guy]

I have wondered why you used breaking the line instead of touching. Now I know.

Actually, the origin came from Readyontheright. I just picked up the wording he used for past matches and, since it meshed with what I had 'heard' before I left it that way.

[photo_guy]

Here are my scores for this month.

I shot both handgun classes. Since I was doing better with my .45 during warm up I went with that first.

My first round was a miss. I was going for the +50 target but it was a clean miss. No biggie - I need a miss. My second shot hit the +50 ring, but just barely. It just cut the line through and I was concerned about how it should be scored. Looking closely I could see it did cut the line so I was OK. [Now that we have decided touching is OK it is a clear +50]. The +30 completed that target for a 3.

THR Member Name – Photo_guy
Total number of shots to 75 = __3 shots
50ptsx__1__
30ptsX__1__
20ptsx__0__
10ptsX_0___
MISS(-5)x__1__
Class -- pistol, open sights
Weapon -- Brolin 1911a1
Caliber – .45 ACP



I wasn't doing as well with my scoped M41 during warm up. Just couldn't hold it as steady. That, combined with the smaller .22 holes made me change my strategy for this class. I went for two +30's, the easy +20, and the really easy miss. I actually aimed for the -5 to be sure I didn't accedentally hit a + target. Total was a 4 but I'll bet it could have been worse if I tried for the 3-shot on this class.

THR Member Name – Photo_guy
Total number of shots to 75 = 4 shots
50ptsx__0__
30ptsX__2__
20ptsx__1__
10ptsX_0___
MISS(-5)x__1__
Class -- pistol, open sights
Weapon -- S&W M41 w/2X Simmons scope
Caliber – .22LR

[Quantrill]

Here are mine for this month. Hopefully

[BamBam-31]

Okay, before I forget the results:

THR Member Name: BamBam-31
Total # o/ shots to 75 pts.: 3
50pts: 1
30pts: 1
20pts: 0
10pts: 0
MISS: 1
Class: Handgun w/ Ultradot
Weapon: Ruger 22/45
Caliber: .22lr

This was shot at 50 ft., since that was the minimum allowable distance at our range (San Gabriel Valley Gun Club). After nailing the 50 and 30, I got excited and randomly squeezed off the miss, just barely missing the 30 again. Whew.

Next was rifles @ 25 yds.:

THR Member Name: BamBam-31
Total # o/ shots to 75 pts.: 9
50pts: 0
30pts: 0
20pts: 4
10pts: 1
MISS: 3
Off paper: 1 :cuss:
Class: Rifle w/ iron sights
Weapon: No. 4 Mk. II
Caliber: .303 Brit

As with the pistol, my final intentional miss was a bad shot, this time off paper entirely. Should have been done in eight shots. Still, nothing to write home about. Should have used my 10/22....

[Beetle Bailey]

Yeah, the test confirms what I already suspected: Shooting rifles off-hand standing is tough. . .:o

THR Member Name – Beetle Bailey
Total number of shots to 75 = __DNF_____shots
50ptsx__0__
40ptsX__0__
20ptsx__1__
10ptsX__6__
MISS(-5)x__12__
Class -- rifle iron sights
Weapon -- Swedish Mauser M38
Caliber – 6.5x55 Swedish

I came close enough that one more in the "10pt" area would have sealed the deal, but I guess I'm not a clutch shooter. I hate to quit, but I just got too tired :o .

THR Member Name –
Total number of shots to 75 = ___DNF____shots
50ptsx__0__
40ptsX__0__
20ptsx__3__
10ptsX__1__
MISS(-5)x__8__
Class -- rifle with scope
Weapon -- MN 91/30 PU
Caliber – 7.62x54r

Just two exhausting. However, I enjoyed the challenge of this month's match, so a big thanks goes out to Photo Guy ;) . Even though I know it won't count, I think I will try this one again, just because I can't live with two DNF's :o .

[Mal H]

Ok, the snow melted and the sun was shining so I finally got off the couch and went out and did it!

In both cases I tried for the "3-shot". I tried an unscoped rifle first thinking that would be easier. Went for the 50 and got it right off. Then the easier 30 - miss. Oh well, I'll use that for my miss. Shot again - missed again! Well "gosh darn" I says to myself - yeah right. Anyway I hit it on the third try, put one right on the 0 in the 10 target (now why couldn't I do that in the 30?) and added one intentional miss.

THR Member Name – Mal H
Total number of shots to 75 = 6 shots
50ptsx__1__
30ptsX__1__
20ptsx__0__
10ptsX_1___
MISS(-5)x__3__
Class -- rifle, iron sights
Weapon -- Marlin 39AS
Caliber – .22


Next the pistol. First shot hit the 50 smack dab in the middle. All right! Piece-a-cake this time. Shoot at the 30 - miss! "Not again!" Second one hit it on the 3. Whew!


THR Member Name – Mal H
Total number of shots to 75 = 3 shots
50ptsx__1__
30ptsX__1__
20ptsx__0__
10ptsX_0___
MISS(-5)x__1__
Class -- pistol, scoped (well, actually a red dot)
Weapon -- Ruger MK II 5.5" Bull
Caliber – .22

For those of you who haven't tried this yet, a warning for you - the 30 target is jinxed! :D

[Edward429451]

It was a fantastic day for shooting. Sunshine, no wind, 60 deg. Since offhand is tough, I decided to play conservative by going for four 20's & a miss instead of trying for the 50 and goofing up with close misses. Same thing for the handgun stage. It worked out real well and according to plan. The misses are real as I continued to shoot for the 20.

Edward429451
Total number of shots to 75 = 5 shots
50ptsx__0__
30ptsX__0__
20ptsx__4__
10ptsX_0___
MISS(-5)x__1__
Class -- Rifle (borrowed) with Scope.
Weapon -- Ruger 10/22 w/Simmons 2.8 X 10 Scope (4X)
Caliber – .22 LR CCI Mini-Mag HP
Distance--25 YDS (Laser Rangefinder)

[Edward429451]

THR Member Name--Edward429451
Total number of shots to 75 = ____5___shots
50ptsx____
40ptsX____
20ptsx__4__
10ptsX____
MISS(-5)x__1__
Class --Handgun, No optics
Weapon --Ruger MKII 5.5" Bull BBL.
Caliber –22 LR CCI Mini-Mag HP
Distance--10 YDS Laser confirmed.

I brought Greg back up to enter again this month and he'll post his later. I took a newish shooting buddy up named Daniel and he shot the match but is unregistered as a THR member because he doesn't have a computer, and I do not have any extra mailboxes to designate him to to be able to register. THR will not allow multiple screen names to the same E-mail address for registration, which is understandable. I will post his entry for fun since that's what it's all about. If Match director(s) does not want to count his entry as valid according to intended rules of registered member entry's only, no biggie, we understand. I hope you let it be valid and retain his stats because I'm urging him to get a computer or at least an E-Mail from someone who has an extra.

[Edward429451]

THR Member Name –Daniel (Not a registered member of THR)
Total number of shots to 75 = ___4____shots
50ptsx__1__
40ptsX__0__
20ptsx__1__
10ptsX__1__
MISS(-5)x__1__
Class --Rifle
Weapon --Ruger 10/22 Factory iron sights
Caliber –22 LR CCI Mini-Mag HP
25 YDS

[photo_guy]

Edward429451 - check the new rules/faq posting linked in my sig below. You will see that registration is suggested, but not required, to participate in the matches. El Rojo and I discussed that issue and decided to allow anyone to play. It would be nice if they register and I suspect that anyone who trys 3 or 4 matches would probably end up registering anyway just to see the scores and discussion.

[Edward429451]

THR Member Name –Daniel (Not a registered member of THR)
Total number of shots to 75 = ___8____shots
50ptsx__0__
40ptsX_0___
20ptsx__4__
10ptsX__1__
MISS(-5)x__3__
Class --Handgun No Optics
Weapon --Ruger MKII 5.5" Bull BBL
Caliber –22 LR CCI Mini-Mag HP
10 YDS laser confirmed.

(Daniel's voice) "Howdy, Kin' I play?

Edited to add: Thanks PhotoGuy, I figured it'd be OK but wanted to be sure. Daniel'll be much pleased and I'm sure he'll be back for more. He's been shooting for about 6 months now and has aquired two .22 rifles already and is a pretty good shot. I found out today that he's really supposed to wear glasses so who knows how good he really is if he put some on.:uhoh: :D

[Grzegorz]

THR Member Name –Grzegorz
Total number of shots to 75 = ___6____shots
50ptsx__0__
40ptsX__0__
20ptsx__3__
10ptsX__2__
MISS(-5)x_1___
Class -- Handgun No Optics
Weapon -- Ruger MKII 5.5" Bull BBL
Caliber –22 LR Winchester 40g Super-X
10 YDS

[Grzegorz]

THR Member Name –Grzegorz
Total number of shots to 75 = ___13____shots
50ptsx__0__
40ptsX__0__
20ptsx__5__
10ptsX_1___
MISS(-5)x__7__
Class --Rifle No Optics
Weapon --Rem 700 ADL-SY Factory irons
Caliber –.308 Win. 180g SGK handload (40.0g IMR 4895)

(Just in case it's hard to see, one miss is barely visible on bottom edge of paper near left side.)

Offhand is tough!
:p

Edited to add: There's two hits (misses -5) that are not visible on the attachment. They are on the very edge of the bottom of the target, one near the left side and one near my name & such a little low left to it. I can have Edward429451 rescan it if you think it's necessary to see if we can get them to show up.

[Edward429451]

PhotoGuy, Grzegorz's target does not show up the two hits on the edge of the paper. If you'd like me to mail you the original, or try'n rescan it with a colored backdrop, jus say so.:)

[photo_guy]

Edward429451 - No problem. This contest is on the honor system. Posting scans is requested but optional.

The name of the game is to have some fun and get out and do some shooting. There are no prizes so what is the point of cheating? Perhaps if we have a prize someday we would need to do more than an honor code but it is working great so far.

Everyone has been scrupulously honest as far as I can tell. It's been great reading the descriptions people post with stories about their misses and flub-ups. What a great group!

[jamz]

Who said that 30 ring was cursed? ;) :p :banghead: :cuss:

http://www.mricenter.com/jamz/shoot3.jpg

I brought my Ruger 77/22 in today, with a scope. Warmed it up with 50 rounds or so, adjusted the scope a bit, and went for it.

Decided to try 50, 30, and a miss.

I hit the 50 right off the bat.

I thought about the cursed 30 ring and thought "nah....."

Swing and a miss, high and way left.

Thought about the 30 ring again, thought "It couldn't be..."

Swing and a miss again, low and left.

Sigh.

OK, damage control time. Two pretty easy shots into the 20 ring to bring me up to 80, then a hit on the white to get back down to 75. 6 shots total.

Now, before anyone scoffs at the curse, I want to point out a couple of observations. I was OK accurate with the 50 ring, not as good as most, but still on there.

I did pretty well in the 20, getting the shots pretty near each other.

I was aiming for the -5 for the miss, and I hit that pretty much dead on.

Nowehere was I less accurate than when I was shooting at the 30. :):confused:

Anyway, results:

THR Member Name – jamz
Total number of shots to 75 = __DNF__6___shots
50ptsx__1__
40ptsX__0__
20ptsx__2__
10ptsX__0__
MISS(-5)x__3__
Class -- rifle with scope
Weapon -- Ruger 77/22
Caliber – .22LR


-James

[Mal H]

I warned ya! But did you heed the warning? Nooooo!

:D :D

[Lord Bodak]

Ok, this looks like fun! Although I don't expect to do very well, I'll print a copy of the target to take with my when I go to shoot my 22/45 for the first time. Since it's my first gun and only the second time I've been shooting anyway, I doubt I'll get a good score, but it never huts to try :)

[photo_guy]

Welcome Lord Bodak! I'm sure you'll enjoy the match if you give it a try.

Watch out for that +30 ring. Apparently everyone thinks it is cursed.

[El Rojo]

And Lord Bodak take a completely different target with you and practive first! It helps to shoot 20-30 rounds first to see where your gun is hitting before you try and shoot the match. Then just shoot one target for the match and you are good to go. Good luck.

[Lord Bodak]

I printed a couple of 50 ft pistol targets cause that's the closest I've been able to find to a 10 yd one. I'll try them out first... since it'll be my first time out with the pistol I also have a few brands of ammo to try so I will see what the gun likes best before I try this target :)

[esheato]

I almost had it. I shot at the 50 first and barely nicked the 20. So I had to hit the 50, 10 and a miss....I drilled the 50 then hit the 10 next....whew...all I had to do was hit a miss on purpose.

Low and behold....I can't even hit a miss on purpose...I nicked the ten again.

I got so frustrated, the muffs went flying...So if anyone knows where to buy muffs at a good price. ;)

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL348/919855/3633309/46297624.jpg

I know I only had to shoot 3 misses to complete the match, but I didn't do it....I don't expect you guys to count this month for me, but I just had to share it.

esheato...

[DeputyVaughn]

Shot the pistol portion of this month's competition. Used my Sig 226, 9mm, with no optics. 3 shots to 75. First was a miss aimed at the 50. Second hit the 50 and third hit the 30.

I'll try the rifle when I can. Tempted to try it with an M-1 Carbine. I haven't decided.

DeputyVaughn
Weapon: Sig Sauer 226 9mm
handgun class w/o optics
score: 3 shots to 75

Scott
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=814022

[Renegade]

THR Member Name- Renegade
Total Number of Shots to 75= 5
50ptsX 0
30ptsX 0
20ptsX 4
10ptsX 0
-5ptsX 1
Class-- Rifle no optics
Firearm- Savage Mk II bolt action
Caliber- 22lr

I think I did pretty good, for not taking any practice shots. Shot the target as soon as I got to the range today. Haven't figured out how to insert an image into a post yet. Can I e-mail it in?

Later,

Dave

[Robert J McElwain]

THR Member Name –R J McElwain
Total number of shots to 75 = ___5____shots
50ptsx__0__
40ptsX__0__
20ptsx__4__
10ptsX____
MISS(-5)x__1__
Class -- handgun
Weapon -- Ruger Mark II
Caliber – .22 lr

[El Rojo]

Photo Guy is in Vegas this week. Your score report is good enough. We have sort of evolved into a "on your honor" system. So if you are not able to post your picture, don't worry about it.

Good shooting guys.

I need to start planning next month's match.

[photo_guy]

Yup - I am in Vegas but it looks like I will have internet access. (If you can call dial-up "access" - man it is slow after you get used to cable!).

I should be able to field questions every now and again.

I'm glad to see people are having fun with this one and there some new shooters giving it a try.

[Lord Bodak]

Well... I took the new 22/45 to the range, with some targets, some ammo, and a copy of this target.

Stupidly, I waited til my last magazine to try the target!

Started out ok... fired a miss, then a 10, a 20... another miss, and 2 more 20s. So at 6 shots I had 60, and then I fell apart-- four misses finished off the mag.

But next month I will be back! :)

[photo_guy]

I'm back!

Reminder, this is the last weekend for you to get out and try this months target and get an official entry submitted. The cut-off for entries is the end of the month - 2/29. Get out there, shoot the match and post your score.

In March I hand off control of the virtual match to our next guest match co-ordinator El Rojo. Should be interesting.

[El Rojo]

I have been really busy with school and training at work, so I will post the new match on Monday morning probably. I will work on it tomorrow. I promise it will be good though despite the procrastination.

And my idea for April is going to get posted here soon as well. You might like that one because...well you will see.

[pbhome71]

THR Member Name – pbhome71
Total number of shots to 75 = ___7____shots
50ptsx__0__
30ptsX__1__
20ptsx__3__
10ptsX__0__
MISS(-5)x_3___
Class -- Handgun No Optics
Weapon -- Walther CP99
Caliber .177 Dynamit Nobel Match
25 feet

I didn't think that I make it this month. I found my Walther CP99 in my garage, so I decided to give it a try. I shot this in my backyard. Sorry, my range only limited to 25'.

I first aimed for 50, but missed and got the -5 instead. The next 3 landed on 20s. The 5th land on -5. I almost panic. :) I aimed for 3O and got it in the next one. The last one was -5 (interesting... it is harder than I thought to aim for a miss... :)

-Pat

[photo_guy]

Thanks to everyone who particapated in the match last month. It was a lot of fun reading the descriptions posted relating your plan of attack and how things sometimes went astray.

There was a pretty good turnout and I hope you will all try the other matches throughout the year.

This months scores showed a six way tie for the top slot in the hangun no-optics class(Listed in no particular order below). It was obvious that the rifle class was more of a challange but Quantrill was able to produce a perfect score with both rifle and handgun - nice shooting! A few people did not finish (DNF) but theyare listed below anyway.

The scores are listed as: #of rounds to complete the 75 points (# misses).
An equal score with additional misses was listed lower than a shooter that had fewer misses.

And....pbhome71 essentially created his own category by using an airgun to get an entry in this month. While not specifically excluded I can't quite list it with the other class scores. I do appreciate the effort so I list it "in a class by himself".



HANDGUN
Ankeny – 3
El Rojo – 3
Photo_guy – 3
Outlander – 3
Quantrill – 3
DeputyVaughn - 3
Jamz – 4
Edward429451 – 5
R J McElwain - 5
Grzegorz - 6
ChiefPilot – 6(3)
Daniel(NRM) – 8(3)
Patentnonsense – 13(7)
Esheato – DNF [7]
Lord Bodak - DNF

HANDGUN/OPTICS
BamBam-31 – 3*
Mal H - 3
Ankeny – 3
Photo_guy 4 (1)


RIFLE
Quantrill – 3
Daniel (NRM) – 4
Renegade - 5
Mal H – 6(3)
MLC – 7 (3)
BamBam-31 – 9(3)
Grzegorz – 13(7)
Beetle Bailey - DNF

RIFLE/OPTICS
Edward429451 - 5
El Rojo - 6 (3)
Jamz –6 (3)
Beetle Bailey – DNF

* BamBam-31 shot at 50’ instead of the 10yrds specified due to range limitations but still managed to complete the task in 3 shots.

AIRGUN
pbhome71 - 7


I now hand over control of the matches to El Rojo for a few months at least.
Check out his match for the month of MARCH (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68233)

[Edward429451]

Some guys have a number in parenthesis after the nimber of shots. What would that mean?

Whats DNF mean also?

[photo_guy]

Some guys have a number in parenthesis after the nimber of shots. What would that mean?

The parenthetical value is the number of misses. I used this to sort names and gave those that had fewer misses a higher placement if two names had the same "score"

Whats DNF mean also?

Did Not Finish

A few people just were not able to actually get to the 75 points for various reasons.

[El Rojo]

I want to thank Photo Guy for his two months of hosting the Virtual Match. January was a good warm up for February. I hope I can carry on the legacy this month and next. Thanks again Photo Guy. Good job.

Now who are we going to get to do it in May? :uhoh:

[Quantrill]

I lucked out on both rifle and pistol. My first pistol shot missed the 50 so I had to then shoot the 50 and the 30. The rifle was shot with a Ruger10-22 which is far not exactly a target gun but it is light enough to hald better standing than the Stevens 416 I was going to use. Quantrill

[photo_guy]

Thanks again Photo Guy. Good job.

Now who are we going to get to do it in May?

Thanks El Rojo. It was fun. I'd be willing to do it again in May if no one else steps up.

[El Rojo]

I was thinking the same thing. If we don't get any takers, we can take two month two of duties.

[BamBam-31]

Hey, yeah, ditto what El Rojo said. Thanks for putting the matches together, photo_guy. They were fun.

Now start brainstorming for the next one. :D