Saw something the other day that made me sick


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MCgunner
December 3, 2011, 11:53 PM
I was driving home from Port O'Connor and saw a guy pulling ducks out of his air boat and tossing them in the ditch. I didn't wanna confront the guy, should asked if I could have them. I'm thinkin' this might be illegal, but not sure. Anyway, whadda ya think? Bad ethics? I know I personally breast and eat all my birds or I'll give 'em away. Breasting 'em don't take long at all, ain't that big a pain.

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baylorattorney
December 4, 2011, 12:02 AM
Damn right it is illegal. Wasting game is a crime.

Flintknapper
December 4, 2011, 12:37 AM
In our State (you and me...Texas) it is a Class C misdemeanor to intentionally waste the meat resource of a Game Bird...IF it was in edible condition.

TPWD defines Edible Condtion as:

"Fit for human consumption, but does not include any portion of a game bird, game animal or fish that is bruised (bloodshot) by a bullet, shot or arrow; otherwise destroyed as a result of harvest; decayed or rotting or obviously infected or diseased." End Quote.....

Further, hunters in Texas are charged with maintaining the edible portions of the wildlife resource in "Edible Condition" or there are penalties for that.

Frozen North
December 4, 2011, 12:39 AM
Crime or not, it's still puke style sportsmanship.

baylorattorney
December 4, 2011, 03:04 AM
Say for instance the meat spoiled thru no fault of the "hunter". The sob is still littering and if it's by a waterway it's illegal dumping!!!!


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Geno
December 4, 2011, 07:28 AM
That would classify as sportsman misconduct for about anyone I know. There are a lot of people hurting financially, and that could have provided some extent of a meal.

Geno

double bogey
December 4, 2011, 04:39 PM
One of the reasons I keep the "operation game thief" number in my phone.

countertop
December 5, 2011, 03:42 PM
could it be he had breasted them out and was dumping the carcasses (sans breast)

drsfmd
December 5, 2011, 04:24 PM
could it be he had breasted them out and was dumping the carcasses (sans breast)

That was my first thought too. Dumping them in a ditch is still bad form though...

MCgunner
December 5, 2011, 04:41 PM
could it be he had breasted them out and was dumping the carcasses (sans breast)

Sure looked like a whole bird cause I was noticing the white breast contrasted with the dark neck and head thinkin' "redhead" which is abundant on the bays around here. It was a big duck like a redhead, too. I drove by at 70 mph so I could be mistaken, but the white breast feathers of a redhead against that black neck are hard to miss.

http://homepage.mac.com/wildlifeweb/bird/redhead_duck/redhead_duck_6507tfk.jpg

borrowedtime69
December 5, 2011, 04:46 PM
pisses me off TERRIBLY!!! i would have stopped, gotten car make/model/plate # and called it in!

I myself turned in a wasteful poacher about 10 or so years ago. i was up in the mountains hunting coyote and was walking back to the car. met up with a guy with a huge pack and a .22 rifle. we're talking as we walk and he pauses. tells me he absolutely HATES the squirrels cause they were barking at him the whole weekend. i watch in stunned silence as he quickly raises the gun and shoots this squirrel outta this tree. No problem right? it was another two or more months till the season opens, number one, and number two, i hunt those same squirrels for FOOD DURING the season! in total disbelief i watch him lower the rifle and walkoff, leaving the squirrel there to rot.

i excuse myself and boogie on as fast as i can, reach the game warden that lives on the property and report him. warden comes up with me, tickets the guy, takes his rifle and then i take him to where the squirrel was. gave him my info for the court case. just wish i could have been there when he went to court.

MCgunner
December 5, 2011, 04:50 PM
pisses me off TERRIBLY!!! i would have stopped, gotten car make/model/plate # and called it in!

Well, that would definitely go against the teaching in the non-violent dispute resolution part of my CCW class. LOL Hate to have to kill a guy over a duck. Don't want trouble, don't go lookin' for it. I figure I probably should put that operation game thief number in my cell, though. I never thought to do it, never really saw something like this before to report.

borrowedtime69
December 5, 2011, 06:47 PM
sorry, was'nt clear on the whole get the info bit. i would NOt have actually stopped to talk with the individual, just drove slowly by and or stopped near and wrote it down quick and then moved on.

I would NEVER recommend physically confronting a possible poacher or someone alledgedly breaking game laws. thanks for giving me a heads up to make my suggestion clearer :D

ArtP
December 6, 2011, 01:25 AM
pisses me off TERRIBLY!!! i would have stopped, gotten car make/model/plate # and called it in!

I myself turned in a wasteful poacher about 10 or so years ago. i was up in the mountains hunting coyote and was walking back to the car.

I'm just curious. I am a hunter and I do kill things and eat them; fish, mammals, plants. If it taste good and nourishes me, I eat it and I feed it to my family. To me, there is nothing more satisfying than stalking and killing game to make use of the kill.

Just curious, how can you be so outraged? What you do to those coyotes is nothing short of tossing them in the ditch, or am I missing something?

If one lives in a coyote infested area, then okay, keep their numbers under control. But if coyotes are not causing problems - real problems - then what you are doing to those coyotes is nothing short of "ditching" them, no less than the ducks.

RhinoDefense
December 6, 2011, 01:38 AM
I've never met anyone that ate coyote. Even on forums.

You people do realize that there are scavengers in nature that will make use of the carcass, right? Coyote, fox, crow, hawks, other vermin all eat dead animals. It's not going to rot, it's going to be eaten.

ArtP
December 6, 2011, 01:39 AM
I've never met anyone that ate coyote. Even on forums.

You people do realize that there are scavengers in nature that will make use of the carcass, right? Coyote, fox, crow, hawks, other vermin all eat dead animals. It's not going to rot, it's going to be eaten.

so will duck carcass. I'm asking, what's the difference?

Personally, I don't care for wanton waste of any creature.

Sport45
December 6, 2011, 01:43 AM
I was driving home from Port O'Connor and saw a guy pulling ducks out of his air boat and tossing them in the ditch.

Could be you didn't see what you thought you saw. If the guy didn't want the meat he probably wouldn't have loaded them in his boat to begin with.

Shouldn't have been tossing anything in the ditch though.

RhinoDefense
December 6, 2011, 01:57 AM
Personally, I don't care for wanton waste of any creature.
It's not wasted. That's my point. Something will use it.

ArtP
December 6, 2011, 01:59 AM
It's not wasted. That's my point. Something will use it.
You're a text book example of why some Americans looks down on hunters.

You can't go blasting away at whatever moves and not expect repercussion, with the justification that "something" will eat it.

Me, as a hunter, I just ask you try and keep it ethical. That might be a stretch.

RhinoDefense
December 6, 2011, 02:04 AM
So you are denying the existence of creatures that will use dead animals for a food source?

baronthered
December 6, 2011, 07:33 AM
RhinoD I see your argument on its ecological points and agree. I think in this case it's more aggravation at the unsportsmanlike conduct of the fellow throwing the critters away.

JERRY
December 6, 2011, 08:05 AM
well if he intended to waste the meat why didnt he leave where it fell?

do you think he may have been doing something ethical by tossing dead ducks in a ditch that came from "where"?

MCgunner
December 6, 2011, 08:59 AM
He was most likely a guide with more in his freezer and no time to clean. He had to get the birds for his clients, they might not have wanted the birds, he might have shot 'em, they might have filled HIS limit, whatever the reason. Lots of duck guides in that area with air boats. They build blinds out on the bay in the shallows and do the bay hunting thing. With an airboat, 90 percent chance he was a guide. Airboats ain't cheap and mostly the guides around there run 'em. Being a guide, he kills ducks every day for a living, or his clients do.

It's not illegal to shoot coyote and dump it. GAME, however, is another story. I THOUGHT it was illegal and the good folks here verify that. :D

It's AGAINST THE LAW....IOW. :D

Sport45
December 6, 2011, 09:23 AM
But why did he bring them all the way back to the road to dump them? If I was to do something illegal I'd at least make an effort to hide it.

borrowedtime69
December 6, 2011, 10:40 AM
ArtP, the waste of EDIBLE game animals is appauling to me. if im hunting EDIBLE game, i take it and eat it.

Some animals are called VARMINTS or PREDATORS; these animals are not usually hunted by man and have very few, if any, natural predators to keep their numbers in check.

It is generally considered good wiildlife management to control these population to prevent overpopulation and the accompanying disease and starvation. this happens in deer populations in areas that cannot support them and they lack the feed they need, along with laying them open to diseases. this is why we hunt wildlife, to manage numbers to prevent needless, prolonged, suffering.

It is no different when it comes to coyotes and prairie dogs. when P. dogs get over populated, then the stress and conditions bring about the Plague. When coyote populations grow too great, they slowly starve and are open to diseases such as mange that causes them to die gradually of exposure. that kind of death seem better to you? or a quick one offered by a hunter?

Quote: ArtP: If one lives in a coyote infested area, then okay, keep their numbers under control. But if coyotes are not causing problems - real problems - then what you are doing to those coyotes is nothing short of "ditching" them, no less than the ducks.

So, by your logic, as long as the coyote isnt bothering MAN, just let it over populate and get to such density that they die slowly of starvation and disease?? Coyote is probably the most successful animal in North America with its populations not being held in check. there are not enough hunters, or wolves to keep their numbers down nation wide, and they continue to crowd into urban and suburban areas. Attacks on pets, children and even adults are increasing (several here in my area over the last 2-3 years) nation wide.

by hunting these varmints and predators we are assisting these populations to remain healthy and at controlled numbers to preserve not only our hunting heritage, but a healthy ecosystem.

Flintknapper
December 6, 2011, 10:45 AM
Whole lot of posts here based on supposition and guesses. ;)

Glad this isn't a jury.

Sav .250
December 6, 2011, 01:01 PM
That was a "hot line " report for sure! :fire:

MCgunner
December 6, 2011, 01:08 PM
I only know what I saw, a guy with what looked like a redhead duck pulling it out of the back of an airboat and tossing it in a ditch. I SAW that, didn't dream it. Eyewitness report. :D

I'm betting the guy was a guide as most with airboats around here ARE duck hunting guides. I know a few of 'em. Some I wouldn't waste a penny on hunting with, can't call, don't have a dog, etc. LOL Anyway, if he were a guide, that would explain why he didn't dump 'em in the bay with his clients watching him, don't ya think? I mean, it IS a violation of game law.

Flintknapper
December 6, 2011, 04:29 PM
I can't say the reason for "dumping" the duck(s), nor can anyone else...unless you stopped and asked. Beyond that...its ALL speculation.

As you say...you saw a guy disposing of a duck carcass in a ditch, I am not contesting that....or the appropriateness of choosing that site. I am just saying everyone is quick to jump to conclusions.

He MIGHT have been a guide with some ducks he didn't want to clean, OR the duck(s) MIGHT have been in the back of the boat where a fuel tank leaked and contaminated them, who knows?

There may have been several "failures" on his part, or not. You only saw a small part of the picture (entire hunt/event) though...and have tried to "fill in the blanks" around that.

At best...the guy picked a poor place and way to dispose of the duck(s) for whatever reason.

MCgunner
December 6, 2011, 07:58 PM
Mmm, well, I wonder what a game warden woulda thunk.:scrutiny: I'd have liked to hear that conversation, too. Anyway, what I saw didn't sit right with me. I DID ask for opinions on the incident, one way or the other, and I know there's two sides to every story, but then, I don't believe Herman Cain, either. LOL!.

Flintknapper
December 6, 2011, 09:34 PM
Game Warden wouldn't have "thunk" anything, he would have gone over there and gotten the FACTS. ;)

He would then have something to act on or not.

I agree...on the surface it looks somewhat suspicious, so if it made you "sick" why didn't you report it?

Don't be shy about getting involved in matters you feel strongly about. We sportsmen need to police our own (where possible/practical).

I am NOT defending the guy IF he did anything wrong, just questioning if its right to jump to conclusions...as some here have done. That is all.

MCgunner
December 7, 2011, 11:42 AM
I agree...on the surface it looks somewhat suspicious, so if it made you "sick" why didn't you report it?

Perhaps it's my survival instinct, best way to stay out of a gunfight is to avoid the situation. I know, if I'd had the game thief number, I could have, but I didn't. I don't know if 911 would have appreciated the report.

If the guy did something unethical, he got away with it, but that ain't the first time anything like that has happened, I'm sure. I remember when I was a kid, I had read in a book that coot was eaten up north. I shot a couple cause there weren't any ducks flying. I mean, there's a season on 'em, SOMEbody must do SOMEthing with 'em, right? Well, I tried to pick the things and they stunk so bad I tossed 'em in the woods. LOL! I at least TRIED, though. I just didn't wanna puke. :D Them's the last coots I ever wasted a round on.

JohnBT
December 7, 2011, 05:59 PM
If it was cold enough to keep the ducks from spoiling, I'd guess he was hiding his first bag/possession limit and then taking the boat back out to the blind to shoot another limit.

John

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