.30-06 options. Recomendations?


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Watusi76
December 4, 2011, 06:00 PM
I am looking to get a hunting rifle in .30-06 but canít make up my mind on which one. I am looking mainly based on price (in the $400ís is ok but lower is better). I already have a scope so I donít need a package deal and am looking for a bolt action. No preference as to wood or synthetic. Main criteria is price and accuracy out of the box. Iíve ruled out the S&W iBolt but am looking heavily at the Savage 11/111 and Howa 1500 Lightening. Iíve also heard that Vanguard is a good option. Any personal experience/recommendations? I'm able to get the Howa with synthetic camo stock for $339 right now but want to make sure I can't get more for my money with another option. Especially since I've never shot a Howa before and am willing to go a bit more if it buys more.

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Gunnerboy
December 4, 2011, 06:06 PM
cant go wrong with a savage

Duckingit88
December 4, 2011, 06:38 PM
Howa

FITASC666
December 4, 2011, 06:43 PM
I like what Savage is doing of late. They have been accelerating an accuracy program. Look around the web and at your local rifle range...They have really committed to detail. Can't go wrong for the price.
OTOH, why the '06?

jmr40
December 4, 2011, 07:39 PM
Howa or Vanguard. Weatherby buys their actions from Howa and builds their rifles from them. They are quite similar. I'd buy whichever I could find cheaper. Which is usually the Vanguard.

carlo1776
December 4, 2011, 09:27 PM
Rem 700 BDL. Got it at auction for $450.00 Canadian. Pillar bedded it myself, added a Millett 4-16x50 MIL-dot scope and a Harris bipod. It drives tacks at 500 yds and recoil is a lot lighter than expected.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj171/carlo1776/_DSC0013.jpg

interlock
December 5, 2011, 04:47 AM
Any of the big makers rifles will be fine. most have a twist rate suited to 150-165-180 grain bullets. Remmy 700 are good, Howa are good, wetherby are good, savage... ruger.... browning... all good!

Go with one you like the best!

Interlock

Legionnaire
December 6, 2011, 04:26 PM
Rem 700 BDL. What I did, too. Bought mine second hand a couple of years ago. Paid $450 for an unfired early 1980s manufacture with a 3-9X Redfield already mounted. I moved the scope to another gun and replaced it with a Leupold 3.5-10X I had in the safe. It really likes 165 grain Core-Lokts (under 1" at 100), so I've not looked at any other loads to date.

DM~
December 6, 2011, 05:08 PM
NEW today? For that money, i'd get a Savage...

DM

Arkansas Paul
December 6, 2011, 05:16 PM
The Vanguard is a good one if you don't mind a slightly heavy rifle. I love mine.
In that price range you also couldn't go wrong with a Savage or a T/C Venture. To come in at a little under the $400 mark, the Marlin XL7 isn't a bad looking rifle. Haven't shot one myself, but I've never heard anything bad about them. Even cheaper, my dad has a Mossberg ATR that is plenty accurate for right at $250 brand new.
The Howa for $339 is a good deal too.

Flintknapper
December 6, 2011, 05:28 PM
Savage for sure.

Chances are good you'll get a "shooter" right out of the box.

Accutrigger (Accustock available), you can adjust the head-space or even swap out a barrel yourself...just by purchasing the barrel nut tool.

111 is available in a Left Hand model if you're a Southpaw. 3 position tang safety (intuitive and ambidextrous).

Legionnaire
December 6, 2011, 05:42 PM
I've heard good things about the Savages, but I really dislike the Accutrigger. Maybe it's an acquired taste.

sage5907
December 6, 2011, 08:57 PM
Don't let the negative comments about a 30-06 give you any problems. I have owned several calibers and the 30-06 is my favorite and I hunt with one every year. They say the only way to improve a 30-06 is to clean it once in a while and I agree. I would follow the Remington 700 recomendations. You should be able to find a good used rifle for between $350 and $400. The main reason for buying the Remington is that parts are readily available, and if you don't like the rifle you can sell it for what you gave for it. If you try to sell an off brand rifle you may loose money. Good luck with your purchase. BW

sage5907
December 6, 2011, 09:01 PM
I agree with what Legionnaire says about the Savage accutrigger. I really dislike shooting one of the dang things. BW

natman
December 7, 2011, 03:31 AM
Howa or Vanguard. Weatherby buys their actions from Howa and builds their rifles from them. They are quite similar. I'd buy whichever I could find cheaper. Which is usually the Vanguard.
The Howa 1500 and the Weatherby Vanguard are the same rifle with a few minor cosmetic differences. Howa builds the entire rifle. Howa built all Weatherby rifles when the Mark V was built in Japan.

DM~
December 7, 2011, 09:50 AM
The Howa 1500 and the Weatherby Vanguard are the same rifle with a few minor cosmetic differences. Howa builds the entire rifle. Howa built all Weatherby rifles when the Mark V was built in Japan.

So that means THEY were the ones who build the only rifle that ever failed me in the field in my entire hunting career. A Mark V, chambered in .340!!

I shot at a moose and when i pulled the bolt back to chamber another round, the bolt came out in my hand!

This was a pre-run for that rifle, that i bought to use for all the brown bear hunting i was doing those days! Sure glad it happened BEFORE i was out in the bush for a month, bear hunting!!

DM

bja5006
December 7, 2011, 07:36 PM
I've had incredible accuracy with mine out of the box. I got it at Bass Pro for around $450, no scope. It's an economy-priced Icon and it's very solid and felt better quality than the similarily priced Savage and Tikka. Pick it up, handle it, you'll see what I mean.

Here's my range report:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=478716

-Brian

Zeke/PA
December 7, 2011, 07:41 PM
I bought a Savage Edge about 2 years back for my Grandson and after some trigger work and a Nikon Prostaff 3x9 it's a great rifle.
Right around 1&1/4 inch at 100 yards with reloads.
The newer Savage offerings all are equipped with the famed Accu-Trigger however.

Legionnaire
December 7, 2011, 08:58 PM
No connection to this seller, but this is what I'd be looking for:

http://forum.pafoa.org/firearms-6/155693-remington-model-700-bdl-custom-deluxe-30-06-reduced.html

303tom
December 8, 2011, 12:00 AM
For the money it is hard to beat a Savage.....

colonelhogan44
December 8, 2011, 02:08 AM
I love my Tikka T3. Light and accurate.

Alleph
December 8, 2011, 10:16 PM
To me nothing beats a Weatherby ,but what you really need are good optics no matter what rifle you decide to get.

glock36
December 8, 2011, 10:23 PM
Do what is it that the ( accutrigger ) does or not do that has people not liking them ? Don't mean to hijack the OP, Just wondering

sage5907
December 9, 2011, 12:37 PM
glock36, I'm a hunter and long range shooter and there's three things a rifle must have. First, it must be an accurate rifle, it must have optics where the hunter can see what he wants to shoot, and third it must have a excellent trigger. To be excellent a trigger must have light pull and free of creep. If you can feel a trigger move before the shot it is said to have creep. The accutrigger has a small lever set inside the curve of the trigger that must be depressed before the trigger is pulled. Even though some shooter like this feature, it is a distraction to me. It is impossible to hold a rifle completely still while the sight is alligned with the target and the trigger is pulled so the experience shooter learns to get the put pressure on the trigger and finish the squeeze when the sights are in perfect allignment. My rifles have either pre-64 Model 70 trigger or Timney trigger and I feel they are superior to the accutrigger because I can't stand anything that impedes my feel of the trigger. About 2 weeks ago I shot a big whitetail buck running across in front of me at 160 yards and hit him on the point of the shoulder. Without complete trigger control this shot could not have been made. BW

jmr40
December 9, 2011, 01:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmr40
Howa or Vanguard. Weatherby buys their actions from Howa and builds their rifles from them. They are quite similar. I'd buy whichever I could find cheaper. Which is usually the Vanguard.

The Howa 1500 and the Weatherby Vanguard are the same rifle with a few minor cosmetic differences.

The differences are more than cosmetic. The safeties are completely different. The Howa uses a 3 position safety vs 2 position on the Vanguard. The triggers are much different. Howa uses 22" barrels on standard calibers and 24" on magnums vs 24 and 26 on Vanguards. The Howa uses a standard bolt while the Vanguard bolts are fluted. Stock designs are interchangeable, but completely different. I used to have both at the same time. The Vanguard is gone, still own 1 Howa. At least for now.

Flintknapper
December 9, 2011, 05:23 PM
shooter5907 wrote:

glock36, I'm a hunter and long range shooter and there's three things a rifle must have. First, it must be an accurate rifle, it must have optics where the hunter can see what he wants to shoot, and third it must have a excellent trigger. To be excellent a trigger must have light pull and free of creep. If you can feel a trigger move before the shot it is said to have creep.

Agreed on every point. ^^^^^^^


The accutrigger has a small lever set inside the curve of the trigger that must be depressed before the trigger is pulled. Even though some shooter like this feature, it is a distraction to me.

The "lever" is a safety mechanism (not unlike a Glock) that catches the sear if the lever is not first FULLY depressed. The effort to depress the lever is not excessive IMO, but if you are not used to it and are dogmatic about not learning a new way...I can see where it would not suit some folks. Most folks have no problem with it however.

http://www.savage-rifles.com/category/1412-savage_arms_accutrigger.aspx

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=619959


It is impossible to hold a rifle completely still while the sight is alligned with the target and the trigger is pulled so the experience shooter learns to get the put pressure on the trigger and finish the squeeze when the sights are in perfect allignment.

Again, I agree....but the above technique applies more to an un-rested shot and is more important when trying to shoot sub MOA groups than when trying to shoot Minute of Deer. ;) The AccuTrigger has nothing to do with how steady you hold your rifle, it just provides a light, crisp, safe trigger when you decide to use it.


My rifles have either pre-64 Model 70 trigger or Timney trigger and I feel they are superior to the accutrigger because I can't stand anything that impedes my feel of the trigger.


Personal preference...but in no way should be a condemnation of the AccuTrigger. The A/T pretty much paved the way for other manufacturers to bring out there own enhanced triggers...which had been so limited by Corporate Lawyers that they ALL broke more like a Staple Gun than anything that should be used on a hunting/target rifle.

About 2 weeks ago I shot a big whitetail buck running across in front of me at 160 yards and hit him on the point of the shoulder. Without complete trigger control this shot could not have been made.

Nice shooting. Being a Deer Hunter of some 45 years now...I've had the opportunity to take a few running shots (that I felt confident in making). So you and I both know that proper "lead" is the most important factor here since you will NOT be "pressing" the trigger lightly until it breaks. Under hunting situations as mentioned above...it would take an exceptional individual to pull off anything other than a quick press/tap of the trigger.

The AccuTrigger is easily suited for the above.

What most folks find "noticeable" is the need to depress the center blade of the trigger. In terms of Cadence it is like a Two Stage Trigger, but the AccuTrigger is NOT a two stage trigger. The blade is a safety mechanism only. After shooting for awhile...you will not even notice it.

If you are a pistol shooter and have a Glock/other with a similar trigger device your will never notice it right from the beginning. If you have an AR with a two stage trigger, same thing...you are good to go.

Folks will articulate why they don't care for the trigger...but it almost always comes down to them being a die hard target shooter who simply likes traditional triggers, which is fine.

But as far as the trigger itself is concerned, it is safe, reliable, adjustable (down to 2.5 lbs standard, 1.5 lbs for the target model).

sage5907
December 9, 2011, 06:03 PM
Flintknapper, that's a very good analysis of what I said. I just don't like the feel of that safety lever under my finger. I shoot almost entirely with a shooting stick and it takes a really good trigger release to be an effective long range hunter. BW

Ankeny
December 9, 2011, 06:58 PM
I didn't like the AccuTrigger at first. Three Savages and several thousand rounds later, I can tolerate the trigger. For $85.00 you can ditch the AccuTrigger and go with a Rifle Basix.

highbrow
December 10, 2011, 06:21 PM
Get a Stevens. It's a Savage without the Accutrigger. I love my 2. Also have a Howa. It is very good.

glock36
December 10, 2011, 09:18 PM
Thank you for the in-depth explanation regarding the accutrigger
I do believe that's the way I will be going.

280shooter
December 10, 2011, 09:23 PM
For that money, i'd get a Savage...

For the money you have to spend... I pick savage,,,they came along ways back.. A buddie of mine has one in 308.. its a tack driver..and not alot of money

HankB
December 11, 2011, 10:43 PM
Just about any "name" brand will do . . . my suggestion is to choose the one that will FIT you best. Pick up the rifle - preferably, one with a 'scope if that's how you'll be sighting it - and holding the rifle at the ready position, focus your eyes on some target. Close your eyes, raise the rifle to your shoulder and "aim" it at the target with your eyes still closed. Then open your eyes - if the rifle fits you, the target will be somewhere in the field of view of the 'scope, hopefully near the crosshairs requiring no adjustment of your head on the stock, only a small adjustment to your aim.

Do this several times - you'll get the hang of it quick.

See how easy it is to work the safety and bolt without removing the rifle from your shoulder.

Make your choice accordingly.

mtnjrm
December 14, 2011, 03:15 PM
NULA best in the world.

ojibweindian
December 17, 2011, 11:13 AM
I am looking to get a hunting rifle in .30-06 but canít make up my mind on which one. I am looking mainly based on price (in the $400ís is ok but lower is better). I already have a scope so I donít need a package deal and am looking for a bolt action. No preference as to wood or synthetic. Main criteria is price and accuracy out of the box. Iíve ruled out the S&W iBolt but am looking heavily at the Savage 11/111 and Howa 1500 Lightening. Iíve also heard that Vanguard is a good option. Any personal experience/recommendations? I'm able to get the Howa with synthetic camo stock for $339 right now but want to make sure I can't get more for my money with another option. Especially since I've never shot a Howa before and am willing to go a bit more if it buys more.
Any one of the three, the Savage, Howa, or Vanguard, would be a good choice. All three are capable of at least 1.5" at 100 yards. The thing to do is decide which one feels best in your hands.

ms6852
December 19, 2011, 01:37 PM
I have been using a savage for 30 years, recently purhased a Tikka T3, wow out of the box this rifle like my old savage is amazingly accurate.

leeroy71
December 22, 2011, 01:36 AM
I second the Stevens recommend. Made buy Savage without accutrigger.
Lower price :D.

Russ Jackson
December 22, 2011, 07:52 AM
Marlin XL7 try to find a poor review on one. Great Trigger, Great Accuracy, Great Butt Pad, Great Price. Maybe the best value in a rifle today....Russ

BikerRN
December 22, 2011, 02:54 PM
I'd double the amount I was willing to spend and get a new Winchester Model 70.

If that's not an option then Stevens, Savage, and Howa are all about the same as far as I'm concerned. Find one you like and buy it.

Biker

Lloyd Smale
December 23, 2011, 12:17 PM
My recomendation would be an sps or adl remington. both can be bought cheaper then an accutrigger savage. I have an sps 06 that is actually one of the most accurate sporter weight guns in the safe. With plain old cheap ww 150 power points it will shoot just under 3/4s of an inch for 5 shots at a 100 yards. Another granted arguable point is that most people have an image of a savage rifle as a cheap rifle and when it comes to resale about any remington ruger or winchester will hold its value better. Funny thing is you look at savages new and there prices are a bit cheaper then remingtons. They had package deal adls last winter at walmart. they were cammo stocked blind magazine guns with cheap 3x9s on them for 430 bucks. Hard to beat a 700 at that price. 10 years down the line just the 700 action is worth more then the savage. At least around here. Dont get me wrong i dont think savages are an inferior gun. Ive even bought a couple used because i could pass on the price and gave them to my grandsons.

langenc
December 23, 2011, 03:11 PM
I've heard good things about the Savages, but I really dislike the Accutrigger. Maybe it's an acquired taste. Fromm#7 I believe it was.

That is funny. Most website posters seem to think the Accutrigger was a great development and some refrain from buying a gun without it.

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