L&L AP Press Seeking Serial Numbers & Purchase Date Info Data Base - Updated.


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David Wile
December 10, 2011, 10:22 PM
Hey folks,

Based on the interest generated in another thread concerning L&L presses, I have started a new thread listing data last updated in March of 2010. The last reported data from the thread of March 2010 (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=500013) is as follows:




--------Hornady LNL AP Serial Numbers & Dates Purchased---------
--------------------------------- Original Type -------------------
---Serial #-----When Bought------Case Kicker-----Member Reporting
----1,525-----June?----1997------Wire eject-------Dave Wile
----4,279-----Aug------2001------Wire eject-------Sommerled
----7,078-----Mar------2004-----------------------Robctwo
----8,866-----May------2005-----------------------Canuck IL
---11,027-----Jan------2008------Wire eject-------Wilburt
---11,778-----Aug------2007------Wire eject-------SPW1
---11,885--------------2007?-----Wire eject-------Walkalong (Anthony)
---12,056-----Oct-----2008-------Wire eject------Sommerled
---13,xxx--------------2008?----------------------KY Jelly
---13,050-----Feb-----2008-------Wire eject-------Randy
---13,100-----Feb-----2008------ Wire eject-------Thorn
---13,491-----June----2008-------Wire eject-------101 Voo Doo (Jim)
---13,978-----July-----2008-------Wire eject-------Dynamite Rabbit (Lee)
---14,281-----Aug-----2008-------Wire eject-------RNG (Richard)
---16,153-----Dec-----2008-------EZ-Ject---------Ole Farmer Buck (Van)
---16,5xx-----Dec-----2008------------------------Mongoose
---14,689-----Aug-----2008-------Wire eject-------Smith627
---17,410-----Feb-----2009------------------------Jeff Brown
---18,419-----April-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Vtail
---18,608-----April-----2009-----------------------Wild Willy (Bill)
---18,930-----May-----2009-----------------------Broken Wheel
---20,161-----Sep-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Dreaded
---20,777-----Oct-----2009------------------------Floydster (Floyd)
---20,900-----Dec-----2009-----------------------KB2
---21,305-----Unk-----2009-----------------------TxSoldier
---21,761-----Nov-----2009-------EZ-Ject--------Sommerled
---21,949-----Oct-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Rkohut
---22,151-----Dec-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------NRA-Highmaster
---22,295-----Nov-----2009------------------------Dodge DeBoulet
---22,4xx-----Nov-----2009------------------------Crashbox
---22,492-----Nov-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Broker
---22,523-----Oct-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Glock20
---23,300-----Dec-----2009-----------------------The Hat
---23,4xx-----Dec-----2009------------------------Gryffydd
---23,766-----Dec-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Fella5 (Scott)
---23,92x-----Dec-----2009------------------------1911pewpew
---24,xxx-----Jan------2010------------------------Macnewbie
---24,427-----Jan-----2010-------------------------Ole Farmer Buck (Van)
---25,067-----Mar-----2010-------EZ-Ject----------Mmorris (Mike)
---25,100-----Mar-----2010----- -------------------Caliber
---27,101-----Oct-----2010-------------------------Glock XIX
---29,xxx-----May-----2011-------------------------Cdstang
---31,060-----Mar-----2011-------------------------357 Shooter - Purchased from ManVenture Outpost
---33,594-----Oct-----2011-------------------------Striker Fired - Purchased from Midway
---35,963-----Nov-----2011-------------------------rumblebee1967
---35,974-----Nov-----2011-------------------------twohightech - Purchased from Cabela's
---36,156-----Nov-----2011-------------------------NWDave
---36,181-----Nov-----2011-------------------------777TRUTH - Purchased from Graf's



Additional comments made by LNL owners are noted below:

---Canuck, IL - Reports that change in primer system came at serial number 7,000.
---Walkalong - Has a Pro-Jector with serial # 18,396. He also says the $29 he spent for his EZ-Ject upgrade was worth the expense.
---Randy - States that Hornady started offering the EZ-Ject system in Jan 2009. Serial number unknown. Converted his to EZ-Ject in June 09.
---Dodge DeBoulet - Indicated his press came with 3 powder drop tubes, two primer slides & seating punches; also indicated his powder screw tubes are not micrometer style which seems to be an add on purchase.
---Ole Farmer Buck - Hornady told him they started the EZ-Ject system with serial number 15,000, so his press at 16,153 is one of the first presses with EZ-Ject. He also reports he just got his 2nd LNL press Jan 2010.
---RNG (Richard) Upgraded to EZ-Ject in October 2009 and considers it money well spent.
---Gryffydd - Powder measure comes with baffle now. Purchased from Graff's.
---1911pewpew - Purchased from Midway.
---Fella5 (Scott) - Purchased from Midway.
---Mongoose - Hornady started offering the EZject in Jan '09--I bought my LnL in December '08 and it has the EZ-ject.
---Thorn originally had wire eject, but has upgraded to EZ-Ject subplate.
---Smith627 has upgraded to EZ-Ject - problems with 9mm. Has problems seating primers low enough
---Sommerled reports his oldest (2001) LNL press has the old primer system with the brass tubes where you remove the whole steel containment sleeve. I prefer this older style. It also has the primer plunger with thumb nut that is a poor design, hard to tighten and comes loose alot. Also the return spring for the powder measure pulls down at an angle with this older press and it sometimes binds up if not dry lubed. The wire ejects work most of the time when I occaisionaly rub a little die sizing wax on the contact area with a Qtip.
---Robctwo reports he has put 117,800 rounds through it to March 2010 and that it was rebuilt for cost of shipping one way at around 85,000.


I will keep adding data to the list as long as folks continue reporting information via thread data, PM, or E-Mail. Of all the owners reporting, only three or four of them report purchases prior to 2008. Obviously, Hornady has sold a whole lot of these presses in the past two years even though they have been making them since 1997. Presses purchased in 2001 and 2004 were just recently reported, and I hope more of these older presses and comments will be reported.

For a challenge of sorts, allow me to point out that I still have the oldest press (serial #1,525) reported so far, so how about some of those even older folks check their serial numbers and purchase dates and report them? Come on, let's see some folks report some of those LNLs with serial numbers lower than 1,525. I am not the only old guy here.

Also remember that I keep this LNL press info on a M-Soft Excel spreadsheet. I can send a copy of the Excel file to anyone who wants it via E-Mail.

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If interest in this subject is there, I will update all information provided, record it in an Excel spreadsheet, and provide a copy of the Excel file via E-Mail to anyone who wants it.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

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twohightech
December 10, 2011, 11:05 PM
35974 11-30-2011

777TRUTH
December 11, 2011, 05:52 AM
Thanks for the updates David.

357Shooter
December 11, 2011, 08:12 AM
#31060-Shipped 3/17/2011 off B.O. from ManVenture Outpost

Glock XIX
December 11, 2011, 11:19 AM
# 27101- October of 2010

NWDave
December 13, 2011, 10:58 PM
My first post on this site is to add my LnL to your list. Purchased 11-23-11, Serial Number 36156. Advised my BIL to sign up as well, his # will be a few less than mine. I'll have to ask my LGS who he ordered the LnL through.

Cdstang
December 14, 2011, 12:09 AM
29xxx May of 2011

rumblebee1967
December 14, 2011, 12:25 AM
First post also since NWDAVE clued me into the sight my LNL is serial #35963, purchased nov 20, 2011. Bought at local gun store.

john16443
December 14, 2011, 10:52 PM
SN 36332 received 12/14/11. Purchased as a replacement to the broken one from Cabela's, see thread http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=630025

cfullgraf
December 14, 2011, 11:20 PM
S/N 20475. Received November 2009. EZ-ject

i do not use the the press mounted primer system for various reasons.

Still using the original case holder spring on the shell plate.

Waldog
December 15, 2011, 10:32 AM
S/N 10073 purchased sometime in 2006. Started out as ejector spring, I converted to EZject

J_McLeod
December 21, 2011, 05:48 PM
Serial number 36299. Bought it from Graf's last week.

David Wile
December 21, 2011, 06:53 PM
Hey folks,

I am updating the list with the last four serial numbers provided to me. It has been a few days, but this is accurate as of this post.

This Hornady L&L AP serial number list was started on another thread from back at the beginning of 2010:

(http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=500013)



--------Hornady LNL AP Serial Numbers & Dates Purchased---------
--------------------------------- Original Type -------------------
---Serial #-----When Bought------Case Kicker-----Member Reporting
______________________________________________________________

----1,525-----Jun?-----1997------Wire eject-------Dave Wile
----4,279-----Aug------2001------Wire eject-------Sommerled
----7,078-----Mar------2004-----------------------Robctwo
----8,866-----May-----2005-----------------------Canuck IL
---10,073-----Unk------2006------Wire eject------Waldog ----- Later converted to EZ-Ject.
---11,027-----Jan------2008------Wire eject-------Wilburt
---11,778-----Aug------2007------Wire eject-------SPW1
---11,885--------------2007?-----Wire eject-------Walkalong (Anthony)
---12,056-----Oct-----2008-------Wire eject------Sommerled
---12,9xx------Jan-----2008------Wire eject-----Blue68f100 - Added brass feeder July 2008 & EZ-Eject upgrade soon as available.
---13,xxx--------------2008?----------------------KY Jelly
---13,050-----Feb-----2008-------Wire eject-------Randy
---13,100-----Feb-----2008------ Wire eject-------Thorn
---13,491-----June----2008-------Wire eject-------101 Voo Doo (Jim)
---13,978-----July-----2008-------Wire eject-------Dynamite Rabbit (Lee)
---14,281-----Aug-----2008-------Wire eject-------RNG (Richard)
---16,153-----Dec-----2008-------EZ-Ject---------Ole Farmer Buck (Van)
---16,5xx-----Dec-----2008------------------------Mongoose
---14,689-----Aug-----2008-------Wire eject-------Smith627
---17,410-----Feb-----2009------------------------Jeff Brown
---18,419-----April-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Vtail
---18,608-----April-----2009-----------------------Wild Willy (Bill)
---18,930-----May-----2009-----------------------Broken Wheel
---20,161-----Sep-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Dreaded
---20,475-----Nov-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------cfullgraf
---20,777-----Oct-----2009------------------------Floydster (Floyd)
---20,900-----Dec-----2009-----------------------KB2
---21,305-----Unk-----2009-----------------------TxSoldier
---21,761-----Nov-----2009-------EZ-Ject--------Sommerled
---21,949-----Oct-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Rkohut
---22,151-----Dec-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------NRA-Highmaster
---22,295-----Nov-----2009------------------------Dodge DeBoulet
---22,4xx-----Nov-----2009------------------------Crashbox
---22,492-----Nov-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Broker
---22,523-----Oct-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Glock20
---23,300-----Dec-----2009-----------------------The Hat
---23,4xx-----Dec-----2009------------------------Gryffydd
---23,766-----Dec-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Fella5 (Scott)
---23,92x-----Dec-----2009------------------------1911pewpew
---24,xxx-----Jan------2010------------------------Macnewbie
---24,427-----Jan-----2010-------------------------Ole Farmer Buck (Van)
---25,067-----Mar-----2010-------EZ-Ject----------Mmorris (Mike)
---25,100-----Mar-----2010----- -------------------Caliber
---27,101-----Oct-----2010-------------------------Glock XIX
---28,031-----Aug-----2010-------EZ-Ject----------steve5c - Purchased from Midway.
---29,xxx-----May-----2011-------------------------Cdstang
---31,060-----Mar-----2011-------------------------357 Shooter - Purchased from ManVenture Outpost
---33,594-----Oct-----2011-------------------------Striker Fired - Purchased from Midway
---35,963-----Nov-----2011-------------------------rumblebee1967
---35,974-----Nov-----2011-------------------------twohightech - Purchased from Cabela's
---36,156-----Nov-----2011-------------------------NWDave
---36,181-----Nov-----2011-------------------------777TRUTH - Purchased from Graf's
---36,299-----Dec-----2011-------------------------J McLeod - Purchased from Graf's.
---36,332-----Dec-----2011-------------------------John16443 - Replaced broken machine from Cabela's.






Additional comments made by LNL owners are noted below:

---Canuck, IL - Reports that change in primer system came at serial number 7,000.
---Walkalong - Has a Pro-Jector with serial # 18,396. He also says the $29 he spent for his EZ-Ject upgrade was worth the expense.
---Randy - States that Hornady started offering the EZ-Ject system in Jan 2009. Serial number unknown. Converted his to EZ-Ject in June 09.
---Dodge DeBoulet - Indicated his press came with 3 powder drop tubes, two primer slides & seating punches; also indicated his powder screw tubes are not micrometer style which seems to be an add on purchase.
---Ole Farmer Buck - Hornady told him they started the EZ-Ject system with serial number 15,000, so his press at 16,153 is one of the first presses with EZ-Ject. He also reports he just got his 2nd LNL press Jan 2010.
---RNG (Richard) Upgraded to EZ-Ject in October 2009 and considers it money well spent.
---Gryffydd - Powder measure comes with baffle now. Purchased from Graff's.
---1911pewpew - Purchased from Midway.
---Fella5 (Scott) - Purchased from Midway.
---Mongoose - Hornady started offering the EZject in Jan '09--I bought my LnL in December '08 and it has the EZ-ject.
---Thorn originally had wire eject, but has upgraded to EZ-Ject subplate.
---Smith627 has upgraded to EZ-Ject - problems with 9mm. Has problems seating primers low enough
---Sommerled reports his oldest (2001) LNL press has the old primer system with the brass tubes where you remove the whole steel containment sleeve. I prefer this older style. It also has the primer plunger with thumb nut that is a poor design, hard to tighten and comes loose alot. Also the return spring for the powder measure pulls down at an angle with this older press and it sometimes binds up if not dry lubed. The wire ejects work most of the time when I occaisionaly rub a little die sizing wax on the contact area with a Qtip.
---Robctwo reports he has put 117,800 rounds through it to March 2010 and that it was rebuilt for cost of shipping one way at around 85,000.


I will keep adding data to the list as long as folks continue reporting information via thread data, PM, or E-Mail. Of all the serial numbers reported, only six or seven were purchases made prior to 2008. Mine is the only reported press purchased before 2000.

It seems Hornady sold about 4,000 units in the first four years between 1997 and 2001, 6,000 units in the next five years between 2001 and 2006, and a whopping 26,000 units in the last five years between 2006 and 2011. A lot of folks are buying these units, so Hornady must be doing something right by their customers.

Come on folks, doesn't anyone have a press older than mine? I cannot be the oldest guy here. Someone has to have a serial number lower than 1,525.

I keep this LNL serial number info on a M-Soft Excel spreadsheet. I can send a copy of the Excel file via E-Mail to anyone who would like it.


Best wishes,
Dave Wile

Seedtick
December 21, 2011, 09:26 PM
and a whopping 26,000 units in the last five years between 2006 and 2011. A lot of folks are buying these units, so Hornady must be doing something right by their customers.

I would say that the bullet deal has been a marketing success. I'm not saying anything against their presses, they make good solid equipment. But how many times have you heard folks say that the free bullets were the deciding factor between the Hornady press and the brand X press.

I hope whoever came up with that idea got more than an 'attaboy' and a pat on the back.

Seedtick

:)

cfullgraf
December 21, 2011, 10:32 PM
While I had pretty much decided on the Hornady L-N-L, the bullet give away sealed the deal.

David Wile
December 22, 2011, 12:18 AM
Hey Seed,

You are absolutely correct. In all those years Hornady was offering their bullet deals, a majority of folks on the forum talking about buying a progressive press were obviously very focused on the bullet offer.

You might also remember during that same time, that I was advising folks to make their decision based on an informed investigation of each of the different progressive presses available. I implored folks to not make their decision based on a limited bunch of free bullets. I tried to impress on folks that that they would be using whatever press they chose long after any free bullet offer would be just a faded memory.

In 1997 I chose to buy the Hornady L&L progressive, but that was long before they were making any bullet deals. I had spent a good bit of time loading cartridges on different friends progressive presses. I had narrowed my decision to the Hornady Projector and the Dillon 650 and I was leaning toward the Projector. Then Hornady came out with the L&L, and when I looked at this machine, I bought one right away. That is why I got such a low serial number. In fact, they were kind of hard to find in the summer of 1997.

Yes, the bullet deal sure seems like it was a brilliant marketing success, and I am a bit ambivalent about that fact. I just hope those folks who chose to buy a Hornady L&L because of the bullet deal have not developed buyer's remorse after the bullets ran out.

Did you get your .44s yet? I hope you are happy with them. To tell the truth, I am starting to get seller's remorse after selling most of my guns. I never even liked to shoot my .44 Ruger Super Blackhawk, but I sure did like walking around Tombstone with it and with my Marlin Cowboy 45-70. I do leather work and had made my hand carved holster and cartridge belt for my Ruger, and I made a matching hand carved scabbard for my Marlin Cowboy that I could carry on my back. Yeah, I know a horse would have been nice, but I seem to fall off horses too easily.

I don't know what I will do for a costume if I make it back to Tombstone again. I do still have the Marlin Cowboy, but no western style revolver. I still would like to go back out there and work in one of the acting companies there. Not much pay, but a lot of fun for me.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

777TRUTH
December 22, 2011, 06:00 AM
The bullets aren't FREE. It's really a rebate on your purchase price and you pay $14.95 for the shipping & handling.

Great marketing though.

cfullgraf
December 22, 2011, 07:38 AM
Yes, the bullet deal sure seems like it was a brilliant marketing success, and I am a bit ambivalent about that fact. I just hope those folks who chose to buy a Hornady L&L because of the bullet deal have not developed buyer's remorse after the bullets ran out.



I agree, I am sure a number of folks did not look past the bullet deal. Just like some folks do not look past the price of the progressive press from one of the other players in the market.

Over the two years that I have had my L-N-L, I like it more and more as I make adjustments in my reloading process and improvement tweaks in the press. I am finding the press is quite flexible.

No buyer's remorse here.

Not that I could not make another brand of press do the same things.

Dave, your collection of L-N-L data is interesting.

J_McLeod
December 22, 2011, 10:55 AM
I had already decided when I found out about the bullets, but it was a nice addition.

mmorris
December 22, 2011, 12:30 PM
Over the two years that I have had my L-N-L, I like it more and more as I make adjustments in my reloading process and improvement tweaks in the press. I am finding the press is quite flexible.

I agree completely. The bullet deal was only icing on the cake after several months of research. I read everything I could find on all types of progressive presses. I watched all the YouTube's ten or more times. Only after deciding which press was right for me did I consider the "free" bullets. The "something-for-nothing" lobe of my brain made me happy about the deal, but I wouldn't make a long-term capital investment based on an hour's worth of expendable supplies. :rolleyes:

Walkalong
December 22, 2011, 02:30 PM
I love my LNL. It is just as easy to load a test batch of ten as it is to load 500. Changing the shell plate to change calibers takes well under a minute. Changing the dies out might take it to a full minute, might. I just recently started using the LNL measure (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=7797197&postcount=5) that came with it. I bought the micrometer rifle insert. I cleaned all the oil off/out of the measure and it works like a champ using the linkage. I am only using it for one caliber right now.

No regrets here, and I didn't even get bullets with mine, buying it second hand the way I did. :)

David Wile
December 22, 2011, 06:33 PM
Hey Walk,

You are something else. I may be old and stuck in the mud, but you are one old Bama Hillbilly. You sized your cases in a seperate operation, but you also use your L&L to do a test batch of 10!?!? Don't tell me you got rid of your single stage press. Do not tell me that.

You know, my wife is from Perry County, Pennsylvania, and folks up here talk about how slow Perry County folks are. You know, like they try to blow electric lights out or have to divorce their brother to marry their cousin. Well, I am starting to think that maybe my wife's Perry County people may have some close ties to some folks down in Bama. Do you know what I mean, Walk?

Why would you fool around with your L&L for a few rounds instead of your old RockChucker? Geez, if I ever get back down throug Alabama again, I am going to ask you if I could stop by just to see you in person. I'd like to check to see if you might have six fingers on one hand like some of my wife's kin do.

I sure do hope you do not get mad at me for teasing you. You really are quite an interesting fellow, Walk.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

Blue68f100
December 22, 2011, 06:43 PM
I guess I will put mine SN in to the chart.
Purchased in Jan of 2008 Wire Eject SN 12,9XX
Added the brass feeder in July of 2008
did the EZ-Eject upgrade soon as it was available.

The 1000 Free Bullets was just icing on the cake. I did not consider the bullets in my decision. I calculated my annual usage and how fast it would pay for it self, less than one year in my case. I like the simplicity of the design, 1/2 stroke indexing and priming system.

Would do it again if I had too.

Walkalong
December 22, 2011, 07:43 PM
you also use your L&L to do a test batch of 10!?!? Don't tell me you got rid of your single stage press.
Nope, I still have it.

Why would you fool around with your L&L for a few rounds instead of your old RockChucker? Geez, if I ever get back down throug Alabama again, I am going to ask you
Come on down, let me show you how, and when you leave you will wonder why you haven't been doing it my way all this time.

Perry County people may have some close ties to some folks down in Bama.Most likely do.

you might have six fingers on one hand
Just five each. Heck, if I had six I could really make the LNL hum.

You really are quite an interesting fellow, Walk.
I am flattered. AC

cfullgraf
December 22, 2011, 10:49 PM
Hey Walk,

You are something else. I may be old and stuck in the mud, but you are one old Bama Hillbilly. You sized your cases in a seperate operation, but you also use your L&L to do a test batch of 10!?!? Don't tell me you got rid of your single stage press. Do not tell me that.

I also size cases at a different time than loading them. I prep them shortly after shooting. Small batches go quickly. The primer systems and I do not get along so I prime off the press. No big deal since I resized then cleaned them at an earlier time.

I load virtually all of my rifle rounds on a single stage. I still have two of them.


Why would you fool around with your L&L for a few rounds instead of your old RockChucker?

I find setting up the powder measure to be the most labor intensive part of setting up the press for a cartridge. I have loaded small batches, or batches with test powders by charging the cases off the press then running them through the Hornady for bullet seating and crimping. I currently load 380 ACP that way as I have not ironed out some issues with the case activated powder drop and the short 380 ACP case. (i do not load 380 ACP very often)

Dies set up for the Hornady AP press need to be reset if I wish to use them on my single stage. So, i don't do that, it takes too much time. I just operate the Hornady much like a single stage for the test loads except that the Hornady seats the bullet at one station and crimps at the next station with the same stroke of the handle.

I like the flexibility of the Hornady as I can install dies in any of the 5 positions to suit the task at hand. This could be done on a Dillon or RCBS progressive, but not as conveniently.

Yup, Walkalong has some good suggestions, advice and knowledge.

stevec5
December 23, 2011, 09:42 AM
LnL AP EZ-ject
received from Midway 8/24/10
s/n 28031

David Wile
December 23, 2011, 10:39 AM
Hey Cfull,

The last part of your last post is exactly why I do not like the quick change feature for Dillon and Hornady presses. You say your

"Dies set up for the Hornady AP press need to be reset if I wish to use them on my single stage. So, i don't do that, it takes too much time..."

Now I am not saying everyone is wrong and I am right. This is just my opinion, and I realize it is no better than yours, and I also realize I am certainly in the minority, but here is what I hate about quick die change systems.

With the Dillon tool heads and the Hornady bushings, most people are sucked into the idea of convenience in setting their dies and not having to change them again. But that is not exactly accurate. They do not have to change them again as long as they continue to use the same bullets and as long as their brass does not change in length for crimping purposes, AND as long as they do not want to use their dies in another press.

The whole quick die change die thing discourages folks from ever changing their dies again; most folks only think about how much time they save when changing calibers, and cost becomes meaningless to many. I have seen many folks who do not stop with multiple tool heads and bushings for each caliber. Many folks then also buy additional powder measures for each caliber so they do not have to change powder settings. Then there are also those who buy an additional progressive so they do not have to make a change in primer size!

Again, I am not trying to tell someone else how to spend their money. They have every right to buy as many tool heads, bushings, powder measures, and whole presses as they want. Even this cheap minded old fool had multiple presses, both progressive as well as single stage, for shotshell loading in 12, 16, and 20 gauges. I am not about to change die sets for shotshell presses.

I do not, however, have any problem with changing dies on metallic presses. After constantly changing dies for nearly 40 years before I first got a progressive metallic press, it was more of a problem for me when I wanted to change bullets in a caliber or wanted to use my dies in a single stage press. Considering the way I was reared concerning money issues, there simply was no way I was going to buy additional die sets for progressive and single stage use. In my mind, you just change the dies and get on with it. And the idea of buying additional powder measures for each caliber or an additional progressive press for each primer size is enough to make me have to sit down and shake my head in wonder.

The one thing I do really like about the L&L bushings on my L&L press, however, is the fact that it makes changing powder throw adjustments and case activated settings a lot easier to do. When I change calibers, I can quickly pull the powder measure in and out, while I change the drop tube things and adjust the measure in the bushing until it works just right for the new caliber. I usually use the powder measure in the same station, but I have changed to a different station a few times.

I have said on other threads that I would like to fix the bushings in my L&L so it would make it easier to change the dies for me. For several years now I have been saying that I am going to do something to fix them in place, but I have been reluctant to do anything nasty to my beautiful machine. I like the idea of drilling and tapping a slanted hole from the top into each station and then using a set screw to hold the bushing in place. I really like the idea but the thought of drilling into my press just makes me shudder. Then a few weeks ago, Walk showed some picture of his press where he drilled a hole through the top to install a light. I was blown away. How could he do that to his press just for a light? After a while, I thought if he could do that, I ought to be able to drill five holes for set screws to hold my bushings in place. I made up my mind that I was finally going to do it, and I am. I just have not gotten around to it yet - but I am going to do it!

So there is a whole lot of words about why I do not like the quick die change features on progressive presses. It will not change any minds, and that is OK since everyone should be able to buy as many dies, bushings, powder measures or whatever he likes. I am in the minority about not worrying about saving time changing dies, but I know I am not alone. There are a few other old fashioned folks here who are just as frugal as I and change their dies as I do. And I suspect a lot of those same folks use their old single stage presses to do their small lot test loading.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

David Wile
December 23, 2011, 10:52 AM
Hey Blue & Steve,

Your info has been added to the list.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

Walkalong
December 23, 2011, 11:12 AM
For years I screwed my dies in and out of my Projector and was happy. I thought the bushing thing was an answer to a non problem.

Then I decided to go ahead and get an LNL, despite the cost of bushings.

Hmm, this ain't too bad after all.

I keep some dies in the bushings all the time. Pistol sizers (Don't need adjusting), expanders (Just adjust the plug, not the die body). Most pistol crimp dies are screwed in and out since I use spacers to adjust the amount of crimp.

Rifle sizers are screwed in and out because they need to be adjusted at times. Rifle seater/crimpers are usually just left alone, as I keep the brass trimmed and the amount of crimp the same. The die body stays put, while the seater stem gets adjusted as needed for various bullets.

So, the bushings are faster most times, and very convenient, but they are neither awesome nor terrible. I do like the bushings now.

I load everything right now on the LNL. No worries about the dies not fitting another press. If I was loading a caliber on another press, the dies would be adjusted for it, so still no worries.

I can set up my measure and dies for a pistol caliber, and load 25 or 50 to test so fast it takes just a few minutes to load them. This is, of course, with brass that is already to load. I always have brass sized, primed, and ready in almost all calibers.

I did two 50 batch .357 loads and three 50 batch .45 Colt loads the other night in a relatively short time. I have shot the .357 loads, but not the .45 Colt loads. I did shoot the 16 .45 Colts I loaded up, and have loaded 16 more at the next powder level. (Test cases)

cfullgraf
December 23, 2011, 11:56 AM
Dave, thanks for the comments. My process works for me, but it is by no means the only way to reload or use the equipment.

What ever works for the individual, including time and economic constraints, is the best process.

I present my process to give folks ideas on how to improve their process, not as the "only way to reload". I have developed my process by seeing what other folks do and adapting their ideas to me. So, maybe I can help others.



With the Dillon tool heads and the Hornady bushings, most people are sucked into the idea of convenience in setting their dies and not having to change them again. But that is not exactly accurate.

I have changed presses twice since I started reloading. With each change, single stage to single stage and then single stage to progressive, I had to reset my dies for the new press. Therefore, to return to using the old press, I would have to reset the dies again. The distance from the lock ring to the shell holder/plate is different between presses.

By resetting the dies, I mean adjusting the die and repositioning the lock ring to properly fit the press in use.

But, I will edit my comment to say that "i am too lazy to reset the dies." I find on the progressive, I can do things like i did on the single stage if necessary, so why upset the die settings for a few cartridges.

The Hornady AP press is very flexible in allowing one to adjust operations for the task at hand.


They do not have to change them again as long as they continue to use the same bullets and as long as their brass does not change in length for crimping purposes, AND as long as they do not want to use their dies in another press.

I change bullets when using the progressive. A simple adjustment of the seater plug. But, I have been reloading for so long, I really do not change my handgun ammunition much any more. I have found what I like and don't change it much any more.

I crimp is a separate step, even when I used a single stage. Actually, on the progressive, I have found I can lock the crimp die down. i was making my self extra work on the single stage press with continually adjusting the crimp die.

Now, i will admit I have not yet loaded any high power revolver loads on the progressive that require a serious roll crimp. Case length will play a role here. But, I have added separate roll crimp dies for the revolver cartridges, something I did not do on the single stage.

But, I do not shoot much high power revolver loads any more. I am still working off ammunition I loaded 15 years or so ago.



The whole quick die change die thing discourages folks from ever changing their dies again; most folks only think about how much time they save when changing calibers, and cost becomes meaningless to many. I have seen many folks who do not stop with multiple tool heads and bushings for each caliber. Many folks then also buy additional powder measures for each caliber so they do not have to change powder settings. Then there are also those who buy an additional progressive so they do not have to make a change in primer size!


With my single stage presses, once a die was set, I never moved it. So, it is no different with the progressive, quick change bushings or not.

I do have a powder drop die dedicated for each cartridges although in a coupe of instances i am able to use one die for a couple cartridges, i just change out the drop tube. i also have been buying metering inserts for each cartridge to make setting up the powder measure quicker.

My solution to the primer seating issue is I remove the primer system from the presses. The primer systems and I do not get along and i would rather hand prime anyway. But i do have two hand primer tools, one set up for large primers and the other for small primers.

I reload 45 ACP and 9x19 on Dillon SDBs. A press for each. The resizer die and priming systems are removed. I resize the cases on the Hornady and hand prime.

I guess i fall in the category of folks who spend extra money on reloading gear to make my life easier.

i would not have minded if the Hornady AP press had come with screw in die positions. I really do not find the bushings add that much convenience and they do add to the cost. I guess I could have one set of bushing and spin dies in and out of them. But, i am not willing to lock-tite the bushings in place as suggested by some others on the forum.

Walkalong
December 23, 2011, 06:11 PM
I just loaded 30 .458 Winchester Mags on my LNL. 10 with Trail Boss, 10 with AA 5744, and 10 with H322. I used the LNL measure for TB and H322, and used my BR-30 for the 5744. Went pretty quickly. Yep, pre-sized and primed brass.

.32 ACP to .458 Win Mag. It can do it all. :)

SAGEEN
December 23, 2011, 07:14 PM
original press date april 2011 ser # 30295 replacement from Hornady received December 19 2011 ser # 36821 hope this helps

David Wile
December 23, 2011, 08:22 PM
Hey Sageen,

You had press #30295 and then Hornady replaced it with press #36821? I will add your information, but would you mind telling us what happened that your original press was replaced?

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

Seedtick
December 23, 2011, 10:12 PM
Did you get your .44s yet? I hope you are happy with them. To tell the truth, I am starting to get seller's remorse after selling most of my guns. I never even liked to shoot my .44 Ruger Super Blackhawk, but I sure did like walking around Tombstone with it and with my Marlin Cowboy 45-70. I do leather work and had made my hand carved holster and cartridge belt for my Ruger, and I made a matching hand carved scabbard for my Marlin Cowboy that I could carry on my back. Yeah, I know a horse would have been nice, but I seem to fall off horses too easily.

I don't know what I will do for a costume if I make it back to Tombstone again. I do still have the Marlin Cowboy, but no western style revolver. I still would like to go back out there and work in one of the acting companies there. Not much pay, but a lot of fun for me.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

Hey there Mr. Dave, no the 44s haven't made it yet but I expect it to take longer this time of the year, no worries.

You go right on ahead to Tombstone when you get ready. Just swing by here on your way through and I'll fix you up with a six shooter or two. But only if you promise me a picture of you all 'duded' up.... :D ....and no horses will be necessary.

Seedtick

:)

Vec
December 24, 2011, 01:07 AM
L-n-L #27769 with EZ-Ject purchased from Midway September 2010.

No problems so far, all original parts (added the micrometer powder measures after the fact). Around 20K rounds of various calibers (all pistol, no rifle yet) through it thus far give or take with no real problems.

SAGEEN
December 24, 2011, 08:21 AM
David - they replaced my press after shipping it to them 2 times because 45ACP and 44 mag shells would hit the sizer die on the outside edge and not go in unless you lined them up by hand. They tried parts but Engineering couldn't get it to work. Good job with the listings. Merry Christmas to all!

Captaingyro
December 24, 2011, 08:56 AM
#18753 with EZ-Ject purchased in April 2009 from MidSouth.

Absolutely no problems so far. Love the press.

I hand prime with the RCBS APS system, so don't use the priming feature. I have different powder drop lower assemblies for different cartridges. These things are surprisingly cheap for the time and effort they save, and make cartridge swaps a snap.

When I had to make the decision between Blue and Red, it was a tough choice. Both companies have excellent reputations, and legions of loyal owners. The decision came down to this: although Dillon has top-notch customer service and a no-questions-asked replacement policy, it seems that you pay for it up-front. It's like being forced to buy the extended warranty.

When I did the math, (and factoring in the free bullets), I could have gotten two LnL's for the price of a single 650. Even if someone could convincingly demonstrate that the 650 was better than the LnL, I can't imagine anyone making a credible case that it's twice as good. I have no regrets.

flhtci2006
December 25, 2011, 01:32 PM
Purchased from Midway USA Nov. 2011 S/N 31327

brominated
January 3, 2012, 03:02 PM
I received mine this last week from Graf's, serial number 36,297.

Part #29(drive hub) sheared cleanly in two this morning after my first 100 or so rounds thru it. On the downstroke with all dies full, 9mm, once fired used brass. Seemed to finally be humming along after taking quite awhile to get there. (This, my first progressive press after learning on a single stage then a turret press).

Talked to Hornady this morning and they are sending out a replacement and a pre paid label for the old one. Hopefully, this is the first and last time with this particular issue.:scrutiny:

David Wile
January 3, 2012, 03:37 PM
Hey brominated,

Is that the same part that one or two other folks have reported broken in the last six weeks or so? If it is, Hornady must have had some bad parts supplied. Don't get too impatient, though. You will eventually get all the right parts and have a really good machine. Concratulations, even if there is a glitch right now.

Hey to the other folks,

I know I have some serial numbers reported recently that I have not included yet, but I will get around to it in the next few days.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

brominated
January 4, 2012, 02:18 AM
Dave,

Indeed the pictures john16443 has up showing his broken drive hub could have been a picture of mine, same exact spot were it broke clean in two. I too was using the number 8 plate running some 9mm thru it, oddly enough. I had started moving along in the process and was making some nice ammo when it quit on me. Just about the time the nervous thought of being within the same serial number range of some of these other folks who were having this issue had left my mind, it happened.

Interestingly, I was informed by one nice gal at Hornady that this part is designed to break first, in the case of the machine binding while force is still being exerted on it. When talking with the guy in the tech dept I asked if that is in fact the case do they in turn replace this part for people often then? No, was the reply. In my case nothing was bound or seemingly stuck as far as I could tell when it came apart. It was actually doing it's thing quite impressively.
The tech guy at Hornady was also concerned with me sending the broken part in as he let it be known that this was happening more frequently these days and they needed to figure out was going on.

I'd consider Hornady a first rate company and trust they'll take care of things.

Excellent job on the compilation by the way Dave!

777TRUTH
January 4, 2012, 08:07 AM
brominated,

Same thing happened to 3 of us very recently in your serial # range.

In my case the replacement part has been humming along very nicely. I have since added a case feeder with zero issues on the press and feeder once passed the initial setup, buffing and polishing.

Hopefully your experience will turn out like mine and you will be very happy with a reliable and consistent press once passed this inconvenience.

john16443
January 4, 2012, 10:54 AM
brominated's experience seems to mimic my initial exactly. I never got to the load ammo stage with the 9mm when it broke, was just passing empty cases through the first couple dies. What worries me now is that his SN is only 35 lower than my replacement. Even though I've processed well over 1000 rounds through my press in less than a month, it's still going strong. Will keep fingers crossed.

Glad to hear that Hornady is realizing that they may have a problem with this part and are interested in doing a root cause analysis. Somehow we have to keep on top of this with Hornady so that we know what the problem was.

David Wile
January 4, 2012, 12:41 PM
Hey folks,

I am sorry there seems to be problems with this part on the L&L.
I am happy it seems like everyone's press is now fixed and working properly.

However, no matter how many of you guys tell me how well your presses are working with the automatic case feeder, you cannot make me feel there is something wrong with me just because I do not like auto case feeders.

I certainly am glad they work for you all, but they are not for me. I used a friend's L&L with a case feeder, and it is not for me. Too much noise for me. Call me an old goat if you like, but I am quite happy with my L&L as originally issued. I spent a whole lot of years working single stage presses, and the idea of going to the L&L AP was all the innovation my old brain and personality could handle. If I add a case feeder and a bullet feeder, what is next? Adding a system that operates the handle? All you have to do then is press a button to cycle the machine.

You folks can leave me behind, but I am really glad you all are getting your machines to work properly. I have always said it is a complicated machine, and a lot of folks obviously have problems getting them to work right. If you can tune your machine to work properly and then add case feeders and bullet feeders and make them work properly, you must be doing something right, and I salute you all.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

whistlerswe
January 6, 2012, 07:14 PM
Don't fall off your chairs now, fellas!
My LNL has serial number 00146.

Unfortunately I am not the first buyer so I don't know the original date of purchase. I believe I am the third owner in fact (at least).
Since buying it in 2009 I have put about 50,000 cases through it.

If you want any info on my press, just let me know.

So far I have had to change the following (free of charge from Hornady, very nice since I live in Sweden):

Priming slide (small primers)
Priming housing (plastic)
Indexing assembly (nylon set screws wore out, got a whole new lower assembly)

I will probably change the priming punches very soon (the edges are worn round). I am also having some problems that the priming punch nut will not stay on. In just a few rounds it comes loose and soon falls off. I have tried roughening the surface so it binds on the sub plate, but it doesn't help.

My only real problem as of now is that the #8 shell plate for 9mm is flexing, making the cases flop around. I will try to clean the press tomorrow and see if it helps.

I have tried doing some research on the EZ-ject upgrade system. Does anyone know why it only fits #7000 and up?
One of the main features seems to be to get rid of the ejector wire so you can use a dedicated crimp die in the fifth station. I was surprised at this, since I have always used a crimp die in the fifth station, I just bent the ejector wire slightly and filed and small recess in it to allow the die to pass. Works perfectly!

Blue68f100
January 6, 2012, 07:50 PM
I think at 7000up the base mounts differently. Mine uses 2 flat head Allen screws.

kbeck76
January 8, 2012, 05:16 PM
LNL AP
Purchased from Graf's 12/4/04
Serial # 08465

Converted to EZJect about a year ago.

Kevin

thorn-
January 8, 2012, 10:19 PM
My only real problem as of now is that the #8 shell plate for 9mm is flexing, making the cases flop around.

I don't understand how your shell plate is flexing... it's a pretty thick piece of steel. Is it loose, or are your dies hitting the plate improperly when the ram is up?

thorn

Walkalong
January 9, 2012, 06:07 PM
Perhaps it is one of the really old shell plates with only one small ball detent (http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=100964&d=1246807277), vs the newer ones with two larger ball detents (http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=100965&d=1246807282).

While they do not "flex", they do not run as evenly as the newer ones.

whistlerswe
January 11, 2012, 09:34 AM
Imagine letting the bolt holding the shell plate turn loose half a turn. That is the way my shell plate flexes, like it is not being held down properly. I use Redding Pro series dies, so I have the seater and expander screwed down to touch the shell plate when it is raised, but I still have problems with leaning 9mm cases.

My shell plates have two ball detents. I do not know if they are small or large, but I have one of the newer ones and think they are they same size.
Funny enough I seem to be the only one in the world NOT having problems using shellplate #1 for .45 ACP and .45 GAP.

David Wile
January 11, 2012, 05:47 PM
L&L AP Press Serial Numbers & Purchase Dates Info.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hey folks,

I am updating the list with new info provided up to this date.

This Hornady L&L AP serial number list was started on another thread from back at the beginning of 2010:

(http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=500013)



--------Hornady LNL AP Serial Numbers & Dates Purchased---------
--------------------------------- Original Type -------------------
---Serial #-----When Bought------Case Kicker-----Member Reporting
______________________________________________________________

------146------?---------?--------Wire eject-------whistlerswe - Owner is located in Sweden and thinks he is third ownwer of press.
----1,525-----Jun?-----1997------Wire eject-------Dave Wile
----4,279-----Aug------2001------Wire eject-------Sommerled
----7,078-----Mar------2004-----------------------Robctwo - Has put 117,800 rounds through it to March 2010 then had it rebuilt for cost of shipping one way.
----8,465-----Apr------2004------Wire eject-------kbeck76 -Converted to EZ-Ject around Jan 2011.
----8,866-----May-----2005-----------------------Canuck IL
---10,073-----Unk------2006------Wire eject------Waldog ----- Later converted to EZ-Ject.
---11,027-----Jan------2008------Wire eject-------Wilburt
---11,778-----Aug------2007------Wire eject-------SPW1
---11,885--------------2007?-----Wire eject-------Walkalong (Anthony)
---12,056-----Oct-----2008-------Wire eject------Sommerled
---12,9xx------Jan-----2008------Wire eject-------Blue68f100 - Added brass feeder July 2008 & EZ-Eject upgrade soon as available.
---13,xxx--------------2008?----------------------KY Jelly
---13,050-----Feb-----2008-------Wire eject-------Randy
---13,100-----Feb-----2008------ Wire eject-------Thorn - Upgraded to EZ-Ject subplate.
---13,491-----June----2008-------Wire eject-------101 Voo Doo (Jim)
---13,978-----July-----2008-------Wire eject-------Dynamite Rabbit (Lee)
---14,281-----Aug-----2008-------Wire eject-------RNG (Richard) - Upgraded to EZ-Ject in October 2009 and considers it money well spent.
---16,153-----Dec-----2008-------EZ-Ject---------Ole Farmer Buck (Van)
---16,5xx-----Dec-----2008------------------------Mongoose
---14,689-----Aug-----2008-------Wire eject-------Smith627 - Upgraded to EZ-Ject. Problems with 9mm & seating primers low enough.
---17,410-----Feb-----2009------------------------Jeff Brown
---18,419-----April-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Vtail
---18,608-----April-----2009-----------------------Wild Willy (Bill)
---18,753-----Apr------2009-----------------------Captaingyro - MidSouth.
---18,930-----May-----2009-----------------------Broken Wheel
---20,161-----Sep-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Dreaded
---20,475-----Nov-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------cfullgraf
---20,777-----Oct-----2009------------------------Floydster (Floyd)
---20,900-----Dec-----2009-----------------------KB2
---21,305-----Unk-----2009-----------------------TxSoldier
---21,761-----Nov-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Sommerled
---21,949-----Oct-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Rkohut
---22,151-----Dec-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------NRA-Highmaster
---22,295-----Nov-----2009------------------------Dodge DeBoulet - Indicated his press came with 3 powder drop tubes, two primer slides & seating punches; also indicated his powder screw tubes are not micrometer style which seems to be an add on purchase.
---22,4xx-----Nov-----2009------------------------Crashbox
---22,492-----Nov-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Broker
---22,523-----Oct-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Glock20
---23,300-----Dec-----2009-----------------------The Hat
---23,4xx-----Dec-----2009------------------------Gryffydd - Graff's. Powder measure comes with baffle now.
---23,766-----Dec-----2009-------EZ-Ject---------Fella5 (Scott) - Midway.
---23,92x-----Dec-----2009------------------------1911pewpew - Midway.
---24,xxx-----Jan------2010------------------------Macnewbie
---24,427-----Jan-----2010-------------------------Ole Farmer Buck (Van)
---25,067-----Mar-----2010-------EZ-Ject----------Mmorris (Mike)
---25,100-----Mar-----2010----- -------------------Caliber
---27,101-----Oct-----2010-------------------------Glock XIX
---27,769-----Sep-----2010-------------------------Vec - Midway. Added micrometer powder measures.
---28,031-----Aug-----2010-------EZ-Ject----------steve5c - Midway.
---29,xxx-----May-----2011-------------------------Cdstang
---30,295-----Apr-----2011-------------------------Sageen - This press was replace by Hornady with #36,821 in Dec 2011. 45ACP and 44 Mag cases would hit sizer die on outside edge and not enter die without hand adjustment.
---31,060-----Mar-----2011-------------------------357 Shooter - ManVenture Outpost.
---31,327-----Nov-----2011-------------------------flhtci2006 - Midway.
---33,594-----Oct-----2011-------------------------Striker Fired - Midway.
---35,963-----Nov-----2011-------------------------rumblebee1967
---35,974-----Nov-----2011-------------------------twohightech - Cabela's.
---36,156-----Nov-----2011-------------------------NWDave
---36,181-----Nov-----2011-------------------------777TRUTH - Graf's.
---36,297-----Dec-----2011-------------------------brominated -Graf's. Drive hub sheared after 100+ loaded rounds. Hornady is sending replacement.
---36,299-----Dec-----2011-------------------------J McLeod - Graf's.
---36,332-----Dec-----2011-------------------------John16443 - Cabela's. This press replaced a broken press.
---36,821-----Dec-----2011-------------------------Sageen - Hornady replaced press #30,295 with this press.


Additional comments made by LNL owners are noted as follows:

---Canuck, IL - Reports that change in primer system came at serial number 7,000.

---Walkalong - Has a Pro-Jector with serial # 18,396. He also says the $29 he spent for his EZ-Ject upgrade was worth the expense.

---Randy - States that Hornady started offering the EZ-Ject system in Jan 2009. Serial number unknown. Converted his to EZ-Ject in June 09.

---Ole Farmer Buck - Hornady told him they started the EZ-Ject system with serial number 15,000, so his press at 16,153 is one of the first presses with EZ-Ject. He also reports he just got his 2nd LNL press Jan 2010.

---Mongoose - Hornady started offering the EZject in Jan '09--He bought his LnL in December '08 and it has the EZ-ject.

---Sommerled reports his oldest (2001) LNL press has the old primer system with the brass tubes where you remove the whole steel containment sleeve. It also has the primer plunger with thumb nut that is a poor design, hard to tighten and comes loose alot. Also the return spring for the powder measure pulls down at an angle with this older press and it sometimes binds up if not dry lubed. The wire ejects work most of the time when occasionally rubbed with a little die sizing wax on the contact area with a Q-tip.





I will continue to add new data as long as folks continue reporting same on this thread.

Of all the serial numbers reported, only six or seven were purchases made prior to 2008, and mine was the lowest serial number reported - until a week or so ago when "whistlerswe" reported serial number 146. That beats me for the lowest serial number. I am still the only one, however, who has reported purchasing a machine prior to the year 2000.

I keep this LNL serial number info on a M-Soft Excel spreadsheet. I can send a copy of the Excel file via E-Mail to anyone who would like it.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

brominated
January 17, 2012, 10:27 AM
Hey everyone I wanted to give an update. Got the new part (drive hub) after 3 days and since have loaded some 500 plus pistol rounds, both 9mm and 45acp. So far so good. Everything about the press seems to work fine, and as advertised it is a nice machine.

Now all I've got to do is feed it:D

Johnnymg
January 27, 2012, 11:28 PM
S/N 36039 purchased early Dec 2011 from Cabelas and S/N 33037 purchased from Grafs in Jan 2012. Makes me wonder why the Grafs delivery had earlier S/N. Perhaps coincidentally, 33037 needed a good 'tuning' of the auto-index pawls to work properly.

cheers
johng

armarsh
January 28, 2012, 11:39 AM
SN 2330. Purchased used. Wire type ejector upgraded to Ez-ject.

Mike 27
January 28, 2012, 02:56 PM
36869 Bought from Cabelas on Dec 31'st just under the cut off for the free 500 bullets...No issue as yet loaded a few hundered 9mm's on it so far.

john16443
January 28, 2012, 07:51 PM
mud99 has serial number 36045 that he purchased three months ago, don't know from where. He's provided information in this thread. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7915481#post7915481

That's right in the SN range that others have with broken drive hubs.

Striker Fired
January 31, 2012, 10:25 AM
His also broke,along with the replacement part. So it sounds like everyone should stay away from all LNL with the S/N 36,000 to about 36,500,those are all the ones that are breaking.
Anyplace else this would be a recall.

777TRUTH
January 31, 2012, 11:52 AM
Anyplace else this would be a recall.

Not sure about recalling every press but Hornady can solve a vary large majority of their problems with better quality control :fire:.

NWDave
February 1, 2012, 01:43 AM
Since I'm 36,156....now you know why I'm busy loading 700 rounds of 45 ACP 200 LSWC over VV N320 for two pistol classes I'm taking this spring (500+ done, just a few more to go). I'll feel better once I've got those under my belt.

cfullgraf
February 1, 2012, 07:27 AM
Anyplace else this would be a recall.

Recalls are expensive and i am not sure these breakages on the Hornady press are a safety problem. It is an aggravation and frustration for the user.

It sounds like Hornady is replacing the broken part without issue, honoring their warranty. This a reasonable solution balancing cost with customer satisfaction.

mud99
February 3, 2012, 03:37 AM
My serial number is 36045.

The drive hub broke after appx. 800 rounds, also, the case feeder cam wire does not go down far enough to allow 45ACP to feed properly

Hornady sent a new hub on January 25th, and the new hub broke on the first round.

Tonight I made a billet 7075 aluminum hub, and in my testing so far it seems to be holding up. I made the base much thicker, and where the key is on the cast hub I drilled a 1/8" hole and inserted a roll pin to make a replaceable key.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=158006&stc=1&d=1327991416

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=158223&stc=1&d=1328257955

777TRUTH
February 3, 2012, 05:07 AM
Sell some to Hornady, their current supplier stinks.

Walkalong
February 3, 2012, 07:40 AM
Very nice.

David Wile
February 3, 2012, 02:05 PM
Hey folks,

This is an update for new info provided to this date. This Hornady L&L AP serial number list was started on another thread from back at the beginning of 2010:

(http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=500013)



--------Hornady LNL AP Serial Numbers & Dates Purchased---------
---Serial #-----When Bought------Member Reporting

------146------?---------?--------whistlerswe - Owner is located in Sweden and thinks he is third ownwer of press.
----1,525-----Jun?-----1997------Dave Wile
----2,330------?----------?-------Armarsh - Purchased used and upgraded to EZ-Ject.
----4,279-----Aug------2001------Sommerled
----7,078-----Mar------2004------Robctwo - Has put 117,800 rounds through it to March 2010 then had it rebuilt for cost of shipping one way.
----8,465-----Apr------2004------kbeck76 -Converted to EZ-Ject around Jan 2011.
----8,866-----May-----2005------Canuck IL
---10,073-----Unk------2006------Waldog - Later converted to EZ-Ject.
---11,027-----Jan------2008------Wilburt
---11,778-----Aug------2007------SPW1
---11,885--------------2007?-----Walkalong (Anthony)
---12,056-----Oct-----2008-------Sommerled
---12,9xx------Jan-----2008-------Blue68f100 - Added brass feeder July 2008 & EZ-Eject upgrade soon as available.
---13,xxx--------------2008?------KY Jelly
---13,050-----Feb-----2008-------Randy
---13,100-----Feb-----2008------ Thorn - Upgraded to EZ-Ject subplate.
---13,491-----June----2008-------101 Voo Doo (Jim)
---13,978-----July-----2008-------Dynamite Rabbit (Lee)
---14,281-----Aug-----2008-------RNG (Richard) - Upgraded to EZ-Ject in October 2009 and considers it money well spent.
---16,153-----Dec-----2008-------Ole Farmer Buck (Van)
---16,5xx-----Dec-----2008-------Mongoose
---14,689-----Aug-----2008-------Smith627 - Upgraded to EZ-Ject. Problems with 9mm & seating primers low enough.
---17,410-----Feb-----2009-------Jeff Brown
---18,419-----April-----2009-------Vtail
---18,608-----April-----2009-------Wild Willy (Bill)
---18,753-----Apr------2009-------Captaingyro - MidSouth.
---18,930-----May-----2009-------Broken Wheel
---20,161-----Sep-----2009--------Dreaded
---20,475-----Nov-----2009--------cfullgraf
---20,777-----Oct-----2009--------Floydster (Floyd)
---20,900-----Dec-----2009--------KB2
---21,305-----Unk-----2009--------TxSoldier
---21,761-----Nov-----2009--------Sommerled
---21,949-----Oct-----2009------- Rkohut
---22,151-----Dec-----2009--------NRA-Highmaster
---22,295-----Nov-----2009--------Dodge DeBoulet
---22,4xx-----Nov-----2009--------Crashbox
---22,492-----Nov-----2009--------Broker
---22,523-----Oct-----2009--------Glock20
---23,300-----Dec-----2009--------The Hat
---23,4xx-----Dec-----2009--------Gryffydd - Graff's. Powder measure comes with baffle now.
---23,766-----Dec-----2009--------Fella5 (Scott) - Midway.
---23,92x-----Dec-----2009--------1911pewpew - Midway.
---24,xxx-----Jan------2010--------Macnewbie
---24,427-----Jan-----2010---------Ole Farmer Buck (Van)
---25,067-----Mar-----2010--------Mmorris (Mike)
---25,100-----Mar-----2010--------Caliber
---27,101-----Oct-----2010--------Glock XIX
---27,769-----Sep-----2010--------Vec - Midway. Added micrometer powder measures.
---28,031-----Aug-----2010--------steve5c - Midway.
---29,xxx-----May-----2011--------Cdstang
---30,295-----Apr-----2011--------Sageen - This press was replaced by Hornady with press #36,821 in Dec 2011.
---31,060-----Mar-----2011--------357 Shooter - ManVenture Outpost.
---31,327-----Nov-----2011--------flhtci2006 - Midway.
---33,037-----Jan-----2012--------Johnnymg - Graf's. Also bought 36,039 from Cabela's in Dec 2011.
---33,594-----Oct-----2011--------Striker Fired - Midway.
---35,963-----Nov-----2011--------rumblebee1967
---35,974-----Nov-----2011--------twohightech - Cabela's.
---36,156-----Nov-----2011--------NWDave
---36,181-----Nov-----2011--------777TRUTH - Graf's.
---36,297-----Dec-----2011--------brominated -Graf's. Drive hub sheared after 100+ loaded rounds. Hornady sent replacement part & is working fine.
---36,039-----Dec-----2011--------Johnnymg - Cabela's. Also bought 33037 from Graf's in Jan 2012.
---36,299-----Dec-----2011--------J McLeod - Graf's.
---36,332-----Dec-----2011--------John16443 - Cabela's. This press replaced a broken press.
---36,821-----Dec-----2011--------Sageen - Hornady replaced press #30,295 with this press.
---36,869-----Dec-----2011--------Mike27 - Cabela's


The wire eject system was apparently changed to the EZ-Ject system in the fall of 2008 supposedly starting with SN 16,000.


Additional comments made by LNL owners are noted as follows:

---Canuck, IL - Reports that change in primer system came at serial number 7,000.

---Walkalong - Has a Pro-Jector with serial # 18,396. He also says the $29 he spent for his EZ-Ject upgrade was worth the expense.

---Sommerled reports his oldest (2001) LNL press has the old primer system with the brass tubes where you remove the whole steel containment sleeve. It also has the primer plunger with thumb nut that is a poor design, hard to tighten and comes loose alot. Also the return spring for the powder measure pulls down at an angle with this older press and it sometimes binds up if not dry lubed. The wire ejects work most of the time when occasionally rubbed with a little die sizing wax on the contact area with a Q-tip.

---Dodge DeBoulet idicates his press came with 3 powder drop tubes, two primer slides & seating punches; also indicated his powder screw tubes are not micrometer style which seems to be an add on purchase.

---Sageen's original press was replaced by Hornady because 45ACP and 44 Mag cases would hit sizer die on outside edge and not enter die without hand adjustment.




I will continue to add new data as long as folks continue reporting same on this thread. I keep this LNL serial number info on a M-Soft Excel spreadsheet. I can send a copy of the Excel file via E-Mail to anyone who would like it.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

rumblebee1967
February 4, 2012, 10:01 PM
well another one to add to the list. Mine broke while decapping and sizing only. I am pretty sure it happened on the down stroke and just pulled apart as it tried to pull the case out of the decapper/resize die. My serial number is 35963 purchased in Novermber 2011. only have loaded 75 bullets and decapped about 35 on this machine when it broke.

galvatron
February 5, 2012, 12:15 PM
26230
EZ-Ject
5/25/2010

In excess of ten thousand rounds, now loading 4 calibers and ZERO failures.

Ledhore
February 21, 2012, 05:10 PM
I've got #22907, purchased in Dec, 2009, and have close to 30,000 rounds through it. Hornady replaced the female bushings that failed due to poor heat treating. Everything else is flawless, and I prime on the machine, small pistol and large rifle, with no problems, after a few minor tweaks. I've only had to adjust the cams once.

David Wile
June 18, 2012, 06:47 PM
Hey folks,

This is an update for new info provided to this date. This Hornady L&L AP serial number list was started on another thread from back at the beginning of 2010:

(http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=500013)



--------Hornady LNL AP Serial Numbers & Dates Purchased---------
---Serial #-----When Bought------Member Reporting

------146------?---------?--------whistlerswe - Owner is located in Sweden and thinks he is third ownwer of press.
----1,525-----Jun?-----1997------Dave Wile
----2,330------?----------?-------Armarsh - Purchased used and upgraded to EZ-Ject.
----4,279-----Aug------2001------Sommerled
----7,078-----Mar------2004------Robctwo - Has put 117,800 rounds through it to March 2010 then had it rebuilt for cost of shipping one way.
----8,465-----Apr------2004------kbeck76 -Converted to EZ-Ject around Jan 2011.
----8,866-----May-----2005------Canuck IL
---10,073-----Unk------2006------Waldog - Later converted to EZ-Ject.
---11,027-----Jan------2008------Wilburt
---11,778-----Aug------2007------SPW1
---11,885--------------2007?-----Walkalong (Anthony)
---12,056-----Oct-----2008-------Sommerled
---12,9xx------Jan-----2008-------Blue68f100 - Added brass feeder July 2008 & EZ-Eject upgrade soon as available.
---13,xxx--------------2008?------KY Jelly
---13,050-----Feb-----2008-------Randy
---13,100-----Feb-----2008------ Thorn - Upgraded to EZ-Ject subplate.
---13,491-----June----2008-------101 Voo Doo (Jim)
---13,978-----July-----2008-------Dynamite Rabbit (Lee)
---14,281-----Aug-----2008-------RNG (Richard) - Upgraded to EZ-Ject in October 2009 and considers it money well spent.
---16,153-----Dec-----2008-------Ole Farmer Buck (Van)
---16,5xx-----Dec-----2008-------Mongoose
---14,689-----Aug-----2008-------Smith627 - Upgraded to EZ-Ject. Problems with 9mm & seating primers low enough.
---17,410-----Feb-----2009-------Jeff Brown
---18,419-----April-----2009-------Vtail
---18,608-----April-----2009-------Wild Willy (Bill)
---18,753-----Apr------2009-------Captaingyro - MidSouth.
---18,930-----May-----2009-------Broken Wheel
---20,161-----Sep-----2009--------Dreaded
---20,475-----Nov-----2009--------cfullgraf
---20,777-----Oct-----2009--------Floydster (Floyd)
---20,900-----Dec-----2009--------KB2
---21,305-----Unk-----2009--------TxSoldier
---21,761-----Nov-----2009--------Sommerled
---21,949-----Oct-----2009------- Rkohut
---22,151-----Dec-----2009--------NRA-Highmaster
---22,295-----Nov-----2009--------Dodge DeBoulet
---22,4xx-----Nov-----2009--------Crashbox
---22,492-----Nov-----2009--------Broker
---22,523-----Oct-----2009--------Glock20
---22,907-----Dec-----2009--------Ledhore - 30,000 rounds loaded by end of Feb 2012.
---23,300-----Dec-----2009--------The Hat
---23,4xx-----Dec-----2009--------Gryffydd - Graff's. Powder measure comes with baffle now.
---23,766-----Dec-----2009--------Fella5 (Scott) - Midway.
---23,92x-----Dec-----2009--------1911pewpew - Midway.
---24,xxx-----Jan------2010--------Macnewbie
---24,427-----Jan-----2010---------Ole Farmer Buck (Van)
---25,067-----Mar-----2010--------Mmorris (Mike)
---25,100-----Mar-----2010--------Caliber
---26,230-----May----2010--------Galvatron - More than 10K rounds as of Feb 2012, four calibers, zero problems.
---27,101-----Oct-----2010--------Glock XIX
---27,769-----Sep-----2010--------Vec - Midway. Added micrometer powder measures.
---28,031-----Aug-----2010--------steve5c - Midway.
---29,xxx-----May-----2011--------Cdstang
---30,295-----Apr-----2011--------Sageen - This press was replaced by Hornady with press #36,821 in Dec 2011.
---31,060-----Mar-----2011--------357 Shooter - ManVenture Outpost.
---31,327-----Nov-----2011--------flhtci2006 - Midway.
---33,037-----Jan-----2012--------Johnnymg - Graf's. Also bought 36,039 from Cabela's in Dec 2011.
---33,594-----Oct-----2011--------Striker Fired - Midway.
---35,963-----Nov-----2011--------rumblebee1967
---35,974-----Nov-----2011--------twohightech - Cabela's.
---36,156-----Nov-----2011--------NWDave
---36,181-----Nov-----2011--------777TRUTH - Graf's.
---36,297-----Dec-----2011--------brominated -Graf's. Drive hub sheared after 100+ loaded rounds. Hornady sent replacement part & is working fine.
---36,039-----Dec-----2011--------Johnnymg - Cabela's. Also bought 33037 from Graf's in Jan 2012.
---36,299-----Dec-----2011--------J McLeod - Graf's.
---36,332-----Dec-----2011--------John16443 - Cabela's. This press replaced a broken press.
---36,821-----Dec-----2011--------Sageen - Hornady replaced press #30,295 with this press.
---36,869-----Dec-----2011--------Mike27 - Cabela's


The wire eject system was apparently changed to the EZ-Ject system in the fall of 2008 supposedly starting with SN 16,000.


Additional comments made by LNL owners are noted as follows:

---Canuck, IL - Reports that change in primer system came at serial number 7,000.

---Walkalong - Has a Pro-Jector with serial # 18,396. He also says the $29 he spent for his EZ-Ject upgrade was worth the expense.

---Sommerled reports his oldest (2001) LNL press has the old primer system with the brass tubes where you remove the whole steel containment sleeve. It also has the primer plunger with thumb nut that is a poor design, hard to tighten and comes loose alot. Also the return spring for the powder measure pulls down at an angle with this older press and it sometimes binds up if not dry lubed. The wire ejects work most of the time when occasionally rubbed with a little die sizing wax on the contact area with a Q-tip.

---I also have the original primer system as described by Sommerled. While I have filed smooth the edges of the primer plungers, I do not have any problems with my primer system. I do keep the shuttle slide clean and dry lubed.

---Dodge DeBoulet idicates his press came with 3 powder drop tubes, two primer slides & seating punches; also indicated his powder screw tubes are not micrometer style which seems to be an add on purchase.

---Sageen's original press was replaced by Hornady because 45ACP and 44 Mag cases would hit sizer die on outside edge and not enter die without hand adjustment.




I will continue to add new data as long as folks continue reporting same on this thread. I keep this LNL serial number info on a M-Soft Excel spreadsheet. I can send a copy of the Excel file via E-Mail to anyone who would like it.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

sean eady
June 18, 2012, 08:08 PM
SN: 39,994 from Midway 6-15-2012

Huskerguy
June 18, 2012, 11:24 PM
39706 purchased 6.11.12 - Midway

glockdk
August 27, 2012, 06:34 AM
Serial number 36305 bought last Monday 08202012 drive hub broke after 500 rounds of 9mm not a happy chappy. Wonder if Hornady will send free spare parts to Denmark, never mind i've still got my lee.

dickttx
August 28, 2012, 10:12 AM
#40660 purchased from Natchez on 7-2-12. No problems, other than myself, so far.

Walkalong
August 29, 2012, 08:45 AM
Serial number 36305 bought last Monday 08202012 drive hub broke after 500 rounds of 9mm not a happy chappy. Wonder if Hornady will send free spare parts to Denmark, never mind i've still got my lee.
They should, and almost certainly will, take care of you. They have had a few hubs break. Call them.

Welcome to THR

glockdk
September 3, 2012, 02:24 PM
Super service from Hornady Sales Team. I send them a mail last Tuesday and the new hub arrived on my doorstep today in Denmark:D

tightgroup tiger
September 3, 2012, 04:36 PM
38085 March 2012

I wouldn't tade mine for any brand. I just loaded a test load of 25 on it this morning, Took 15 minutes to get set the powder and tune in the bullet seater.

Walkalong
September 3, 2012, 04:38 PM
I use mine for everything from a 10 round run to a 1K run. It is very versatile and easy to setup/change calibers.

cfullgraf
September 3, 2012, 11:39 PM
Same here. Starting with prepped brass I will do small to large runs. For small runs, 25 or so, I will charge cases by hand and seat and crimp on the press.

David Wile
October 24, 2012, 12:32 PM
Hey folks,

This is an update for new info provided to this date. This Hornady L&L AP serial number list was started on another thread from back at the beginning of 2010:

(http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=500013)



--------Hornady LNL AP Serial Numbers & Dates Purchased---------
---Serial #-----When Bought------Member Reporting

------146------?---------?--------whistlerswe - Owner is located in Sweden and thinks he is third ownwer of press.
----1,525-----Jun?-----1997------Dave Wile
----2,330------?----------?-------Armarsh - Purchased used and upgraded to EZ-Ject.
----4,279-----Aug------2001------Sommerled
----7,078-----Mar------2004------Robctwo - Has put 117,800 rounds through it to March 2010 then had it rebuilt for cost of shipping one way.
----8,465-----Apr------2004------kbeck76 -Converted to EZ-Ject around Jan 2011.
----8,866-----May-----2005------Canuck IL
---10,073-----Unk------2006------Waldog - Later converted to EZ-Ject.
---11,020-----Apr------2007----- Otto - $319 from Midsouth
---11,027-----Jan------2008------Wilburt
---11,374-----Nov?----2007-------Vegasbillsliv - Midway. Still has the wire eject. Thousands of rounds and no major malfunctions.
---11,778-----Aug------2007------SPW1
---11,885--------------2007?-----Walkalong (Anthony)
---12,056-----Oct-----2008-------Sommerled
---12,9xx------Jan-----2008-------Blue68f100 - Added brass feeder July 2008 & EZ-Eject upgrade soon as available.
---13,xxx--------------2008?------KY Jelly
---13,050-----Feb-----2008-------Randy
---13,100-----Feb-----2008------ Thorn - Upgraded to EZ-Ject subplate.
---13,491-----June----2008-------101 Voo Doo (Jim)
---13,978-----July-----2008-------Dynamite Rabbit (Lee)
---14,281-----Aug-----2008-------RNG (Richard) - Upgraded to EZ-Ject in October 2009 and considers it money well spent.
---16,153-----Dec-----2008-------Ole Farmer Buck (Van)
---16,5xx-----Dec-----2008-------Mongoose
---14,689-----Aug-----2008-------Smith627 - Upgraded to EZ-Ject. Problems with 9mm & seating primers low enough.
---17,410-----Feb-----2009-------Jeff Brown
---18,419-----April-----2009-------Vtail
---18,608-----April-----2009-------Wild Willy (Bill)
---18,753-----Apr------2009-------Captaingyro - MidSouth.
---18,930-----May-----2009-------Broken Wheel
---20,161-----Sep-----2009--------Dreaded
---20,475-----Nov-----2009--------cfullgraf
---20,777-----Oct-----2009--------Floydster (Floyd)
---20,900-----Dec-----2009--------KB2
---21,305-----Unk-----2009--------TxSoldier
---21,761-----Nov-----2009--------Sommerled
---21,949-----Oct-----2009------- Rkohut
---22,151-----Dec-----2009--------NRA-Highmaster
---22,295-----Nov-----2009--------Dodge DeBoulet
---22,4xx-----Nov-----2009--------Crashbox
---22,492-----Nov-----2009--------Broker
---22,523-----Oct-----2009--------Glock20
---22,907-----Dec-----2009--------Ledhore - 30,000 rounds loaded by end of Feb 2012.
---23,300-----Dec-----2009--------The Hat
---23,4xx-----Dec-----2009--------Gryffydd - Graff's. Powder measure comes with baffle now.
---23,766-----Dec-----2009--------Fella5 (Scott) - Midway.
---23,92x-----Dec-----2009--------1911pewpew - Midway.
---23,959--------------------------Mstreddy - Bought used summer of 2012 from a THR member.
---24,xxx-----Jan------2010--------Macnewbie
---24,427-----Jan-----2010---------Ole Farmer Buck (Van)
---25,067-----Mar-----2010--------Mmorris (Mike)
---25,100-----Mar-----2010--------Caliber
---26,230-----May----2010--------Galvatron - More than 10K rounds as of Feb 2012, four calibers, zero problems.
---27,101-----Oct-----2010--------Glock XIX
---27,769-----Sep-----2010--------Vec - Midway. Added micrometer powder measures.
---28,031-----Aug-----2010--------steve5c - Midway.
---29,xxx-----May-----2011--------Cdstang
---30,295-----Apr-----2011--------Sageen - This press was replaced by Hornady with press #36,821 in Dec 2011.
---31,060-----Mar-----2011--------357 Shooter - ManVenture Outpost.
---31,327-----Nov-----2011--------flhtci2006 - Midway.
---33,037-----Jan-----2012--------Johnnymg - Graf's. Also bought 36,039 from Cabela's in Dec 2011.
---33,594-----Oct-----2011--------Striker Fired - Midway.
---35,963-----Nov-----2011--------rumblebee1967
---35,974-----Nov-----2011--------twohightech - Cabela's.
---36,156-----Nov-----2011--------NWDave
---36,181-----Nov-----2011--------777TRUTH - Graf's.
---36,297-----Dec-----2011--------brominated -Graf's. Drive hub sheared after 100+ loaded rounds. Hornady sent replacement part & is working fine.
---36,039-----Dec-----2011--------Johnnymg - Cabela's. Also bought 33037 from Graf's in Jan 2012.
---36,299-----Dec-----2011--------J McLeod - Graf's.
---36,305-----Aug-----2012--------Glockdk - Lives in Denmark.
---36,332-----Dec-----2011--------John16443 - Cabela's. This press replaced a broken press.
---36,821-----Dec-----2011--------Sageen - Hornady replaced press #30,295 with this press.
---36,869-----Dec-----2011--------Mike27 - Cabela's
---37,534-----Feb-----2012--------DEP589 - Cabelas. No problems encountered thus far.
---38,085-----Mar-----2012--------Tightgroup Tiger - I wouldn't tade mine for any brand.
---39,706-----Jun-----2012---------Huskerguy - Midway
---39,994-----Jun-----2012---------Sean Eady - Midway
---40,660-----Jul-----2012----------Dickttx - Natchez. "No problems, other than myself, so far."



Additional comments made by LNL owners are noted as follows:

The wire eject system was apparently replaced by the EZ-Ject system in the fall of 2008 starting on or about with SN 16,000. I still continue to use the original wire eject system that came with my press, and it works just fine for me. I suspect all of the changes Hornady has made over the years has been to reduce as much as possible the opportunity for operator error, but when you have a machine with all the cogs, levers, and whatever all operating together, there is no way to make it completely “idiot” proof. This has been a good machine for me since 1997. - Dave Wile

---Canuck, IL - Reports that change in primer system came at serial number 7,000.

---Walkalong - Has a Pro-Jector with serial # 18,396. He also says the $29 he spent for his EZ-Ject upgrade was worth the expense.

---Sommerled reports his oldest (2001) LNL press has the old primer system with the brass tubes where you remove the whole steel containment sleeve. It also has the primer plunger with thumb nut that is a poor design, hard to tighten and comes loose alot. Also the return spring for the powder measure pulls down at an angle with this older press and it sometimes binds up if not dry lubed. The wire ejects work most of the time when occasionally rubbed with a little die sizing wax on the contact area with a Q-tip.

---I also have the original primer system as described by Sommerled. While I have filed smooth the edges of the primer plungers, I do not have any problems with my primer system. I do keep the shuttle slide clean and dry lubed.

---Dodge DeBoulet indicates his press came with 3 powder drop tubes, two primer slides & seating punches; also indicated his powder screw tubes are not micrometer style which seems to be an add on purchase.

---Sageen's original press was replaced by Hornady because 45ACP and 44 Mag cases would hit sizer die on outside edge and not enter die without hand adjustment.

---Glockdk lives in Denmark and his drive hub broke after 500 rounds of 9mm. He notified Hornady and received a new hub days later - in Denmark.





I will continue to add new data as long as folks continue reporting same on this thread. I keep this LNL serial number info on a M-Soft Excel spreadsheet. I can send a copy of the Excel file via E-Mail to anyone who would like it.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

vegasbillsliv
October 24, 2012, 02:51 PM
I got ser #11374 in late 2007 from Midway. Still has the wire eject. Thousands of rounds and no major malfunctions.

David Wile
October 24, 2012, 03:32 PM
Hey Vegas,

I added yours to the last post

Best wishes,
Dave

mstreddy
October 24, 2012, 05:24 PM
Dave,

I have sn 23959, bought used this summer from a fellow THR member. I don't know when/where it was bought originally. It has the Ezject and Hornady is sent me the updated priming cam system as the wire was badly bent.

EM

David Wile
October 24, 2012, 08:22 PM
Hey EM,

Your press was not on the list of serial numbers furnished earlier, but I have included it now. Based on your number, I would guess your press was originally purchased sometime around Dec 2009 to Jan 2010.

Have fun with your machine. They certainly are well made.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

Otto
October 24, 2012, 11:05 PM
My LNL serial is 11020. Bought it in April of 2007 for $319 from Midsouth.

DEP589
October 25, 2012, 12:54 AM
Serial # 37534 Purchased from Cabelas in Feb. 2012 No problems encountered thus far.

David Wile
October 26, 2012, 12:15 PM
Hey folks,

I had some delay in adding the recent info provided. I am crossing Montana via train, and cell phone service is obviously limited at best.

Best wishes,

Dave Wile

David Wile
October 30, 2012, 08:01 PM
Hey folks,

This is an update for new info provided to this date. This Hornady L&L AP serial number list was started on another thread from back at the beginning of 2010:

(http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=500013)



--------Hornady LNL AP Serial Numbers & Dates Purchased---------
---Serial #-----When Bought------Member Reporting

------146------?---------?--------whistlerswe - Owner is located in Sweden and thinks he is third ownwer of press.
----1,525-----Jun?-----1997------Dave Wile
----2,330------?----------?-------Armarsh - Purchased used and upgraded to EZ-Ject.
----4,279-----Aug------2001------Sommerled
----7,078-----Mar------2004------Robctwo - Has put 117,800 rounds through it to March 2010 then had it rebuilt for cost of shipping one way.
----8,465-----Apr------2004------kbeck76 -Converted to EZ-Ject around Jan 2011.
----8,866-----May-----2005------Canuck IL
---10,073-----Unk------2006------Waldog - Later converted to EZ-Ject.
---11,020-----Apr------2007----- Otto - $319 from Midsouth
---11,027-----Jan------2008------Wilburt
---11,374-----Nov?----2007-------Vegasbillsliv - Midway. Still has the wire eject. Thousands of rounds and no major malfunctions.
---11,778-----Aug------2007------SPW1
---11,885--------------2007?-----Walkalong (Anthony)
---12,056-----Oct-----2008-------Sommerled
---12,9xx------Jan-----2008-------Blue68f100 - Added brass feeder July 2008 & EZ-Eject upgrade soon as available.
---13,xxx--------------2008?------KY Jelly
---13,050-----Feb-----2008-------Randy
---13,100-----Feb-----2008------ Thorn - Upgraded to EZ-Ject subplate.
---13,491-----June----2008-------101 Voo Doo (Jim)
---13,978-----July-----2008-------Dynamite Rabbit (Lee)
---14,281-----Aug-----2008-------RNG (Richard) - Upgraded to EZ-Ject in October 2009 and considers it money well spent.
---16,153-----Dec-----2008-------Ole Farmer Buck (Van)
---16,5xx-----Dec-----2008-------Mongoose
---14,689-----Aug-----2008-------Smith627 - Upgraded to EZ-Ject. Problems with 9mm & seating primers low enough.
---17,410-----Feb-----2009-------Jeff Brown
---18,419-----April-----2009-------Vtail
---18,608-----April-----2009-------Wild Willy (Bill)
---18,753-----Apr------2009-------Captaingyro - MidSouth.
---18,930-----May-----2009-------Broken Wheel
---20,161-----Sep-----2009--------Dreaded
---20,475-----Nov-----2009--------cfullgraf
---20,777-----Oct-----2009--------Floydster (Floyd)
---20,900-----Dec-----2009--------KB2
---21,305-----Unk-----2009--------TxSoldier
---21,761-----Nov-----2009--------Sommerled
---21,949-----Oct-----2009------- Rkohut
---22,151-----Dec-----2009--------NRA-Highmaster
---22,295-----Nov-----2009--------Dodge DeBoulet
---22,4xx-----Nov-----2009--------Crashbox
---22,492-----Nov-----2009--------Broker
---22,523-----Oct-----2009--------Glock20
---22,907-----Dec-----2009--------Ledhore - 30,000 rounds loaded by end of Feb 2012.
---23,300-----Dec-----2009--------The Hat
---23,4xx-----Dec-----2009--------Gryffydd - Graff's. Powder measure comes with baffle now.
---23,766-----Dec-----2009--------Fella5 (Scott) - Midway.
---23,92x-----Dec-----2009--------1911pewpew - Midway.
---23,959--------------------------Mstreddy - Bought used summer of 2012 from a THR member.
---24,xxx-----Jan------2010--------Macnewbie
---24,427-----Jan-----2010--------Ole Farmer Buck (Van)
---25,067-----Mar-----2010--------Mmorris (Mike)
---25,100-----Mar-----2010--------Caliber
---25,820-----Apr-----2010--------Eppie
---26,230-----May----2010--------Galvatron - More than 10K rounds as of Feb 2012, four calibers, zero problems.
---27,101-----Oct-----2010--------Glock XIX
---27,769-----Sep-----2010--------Vec - Midway. Added micrometer powder measures.
---28,031-----Aug-----2010--------steve5c - Midway.
---29,xxx-----May-----2011--------Cdstang
---30,295-----Apr-----2011--------Sageen - This press was replaced by Hornady with press #36,821 in Dec 2011.
---31,060-----Mar-----2011--------357 Shooter - ManVenture Outpost.
---31,327-----Nov-----2011--------flhtci2006 - Midway.
---33,037-----Jan-----2012--------Johnnymg - Graf's. Also bought 36,039 from Cabela's in Dec 2011.
---33,594-----Oct-----2011--------Striker Fired - Midway.
---35,963-----Nov-----2011--------rumblebee1967
---35,974-----Nov-----2011--------twohightech - Cabela's.
---36,143-----Nov-----2011--------Hounddawg
---36,156-----Nov-----2011--------NWDave
---36,181-----Nov-----2011--------777TRUTH - Graf's.
---36,297-----Dec-----2011--------brominated -Graf's. Drive hub sheared after 100+ loaded rounds. Hornady sent replacement part & is working fine.
---36,039-----Dec-----2011--------Johnnymg - Cabela's. Also bought 33037 from Graf's in Jan 2012.
---36,299-----Dec-----2011--------J McLeod - Graf's.
---36,305-----Aug-----2012--------Glockdk - Lives in Denmark.
---36,332-----Dec-----2011--------John16443 - Cabela's. This press replaced a broken press.
---36,821-----Dec-----2011--------Sageen - Hornady replaced press #30,295 with this press.
---36,869-----Dec-----2011--------Mike27 - Cabela's
---37,534-----Feb-----2012--------DEP589 - Cabelas. No problems encountered thus far.
---38,085-----Mar-----2012--------Tightgroup Tiger - I wouldn't tade mine for any brand.
---39,706-----Jun-----2012---------Huskerguy - Midway
---39,994-----Jun-----2012---------Sean Eady - Midway
---40,660-----Jul-----2012----------Dickttx - Natchez. "No problems, other than myself, so far."



Additional comments made by LNL owners are noted as follows:

The wire eject system was apparently replaced by the EZ-Ject system in the fall of 2008 starting on or about with SN 16,000. I still continue to use the original wire eject system that came with my press, and it works just fine for me. I suspect all of the changes Hornady has made over the years has been to reduce as much as possible the opportunity for operator error, but when you have a machine with all the cogs, levers, and whatever all operating together, there is no way to make it completely “idiot” proof. This has been a good machine for me since 1997. - Dave Wile

---Canuck, IL - Reports that change in primer system came at serial number 7,000.

---Walkalong - Has a Pro-Jector with serial # 18,396. He also says the $29 he spent for his EZ-Ject upgrade was worth the expense.

---Sommerled reports his oldest (2001) LNL press has the old primer system with the brass tubes where you remove the whole steel containment sleeve. It also has the primer plunger with thumb nut that is a poor design, hard to tighten and comes loose alot. Also the return spring for the powder measure pulls down at an angle with this older press and it sometimes binds up if not dry lubed. The wire ejects work most of the time when occasionally rubbed with a little die sizing wax on the contact area with a Q-tip.

---I also have the original primer system as described by Sommerled. While I have filed smooth the edges of the primer plungers, I do not have any problems with my primer system. I do keep the shuttle slide clean and dry lubed.

---Dodge DeBoulet indicates his press came with 3 powder drop tubes, two primer slides & seating punches; also indicated his powder screw tubes are not micrometer style which seems to be an add on purchase.

---Sageen's original press was replaced by Hornady because 45ACP and 44 Mag cases would hit sizer die on outside edge and not enter die without hand adjustment.

---Glockdk lives in Denmark and his drive hub broke after 500 rounds of 9mm. He notified Hornady and received a new hub days later - in Denmark.





I will continue to add new data as long as folks continue reporting same on this thread. I keep this LNL serial number info on a M-Soft Excel spreadsheet. I can send a copy of the Excel file via E-Mail to anyone who would like it.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

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