30.06 Round For Whitetails


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gjo446
December 12, 2011, 06:48 PM
Hello Everyone! I am new to this and hope that Iam in the right place.

I shot two deer this year with a 30.06 rifle using a Winchester 180gr SP. Both deer were double lunged and and only went 30-40 yards. There was no blood trail and two small holes.

My question to all of you, because I like the 180gr but open to suggestions. Is there a bullet out there that will open the deer and make a bigger hole and will provide a blood trail?

Thank you all!

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jmr40
December 12, 2011, 07:00 PM
150's, heck even 130 gr bullets are plenty for whitetails in a 30-06. But use the bullet that shoots best in your rifle. 180's are definately heavier than needed, but that is what I'd use if they shot best in my rifle.

dprice3844444
December 12, 2011, 07:04 PM
passed right through,didn't open up.research time

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ILikeLead
December 12, 2011, 07:10 PM
The deer that was double lunged and especially if shot a bit high on the ribcage, that only runs 40 yards will be likely not bleed much anyway. Now I know everybody has a story about ... that bled from the first step.

What most do not realize is that most of the blood trail blood from a deer shot in the lungs, especially double lung, comes from the nose. In the time it takes a deer to run 40 yards there is not enough time for much blood to make its way up the trachea in the few breaths taken in those 40 yards.

Now I suppose that had these deer run farther you would have had a very easy blood trail.

BUT What more can you expect out of a bullet? You're 2 for 2 and by your estimation they only ran 30-40 yards! That sounds like a successful hunt x 2!!!

T Bran
December 12, 2011, 07:14 PM
Barnes TSX in whatever weight your rifle will shoot the best. I use 130 grain in my 30/06 and they seldom go far enough that any tracking is needed but they do leave a very definate trail.
If your gun wont shoot the Barnes consistantly and some wont try 150 grain Remington Corelocts. All of my 30cal rifles like them and they do a fine job on whitetails the cost is far less than the TSX as well.
There are lots of good 30 cal bullets on the market but these are the ones I have the most experience with good hunting and stay safe.
T

ROCKFISH
December 12, 2011, 07:42 PM
I try to hit them front of the shoulder, neck area, with a core lockt. They generally go right down with massive shock and no pass through. Does however damage a bit of meat and splinter some bones, but no tracking. 180's work well, but 150's will do the job as well.

janobles14
December 12, 2011, 08:54 PM
im a big fan of the 165 grain nosler ballistic tips. i switched to them a few years ago and havent looked back. i do still have a bunch of 165 grain interlocks that i used to shoot as well. but like everyone has said...pick what shoots best in your gun.

sage5907
December 12, 2011, 10:04 PM
gjo446, you got the wrong idea! The idea is not to have them leave a blood trail but to knock them flat with the impact of the bullet. To do that you need a bullet that will expend itself inside the deer and not waste energy on the far hillside. My choice is a Speer 165 grain boattail loaded with 57 grains of IMR 4350. Instead of shooting for the lungs the perfect shot is the point of the front shoulder or just a little higher. You'll hear a big whap and the deer will be on the ground. No tracking necessary. Even if you hit the lungs they won't go far. BW

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
December 12, 2011, 10:04 PM
What most do not realize is that most of the blood trail blood from a deer shot in the lungs, especially double lung, comes from the nose. In the time it takes a deer to run 40 yards there is not enough time for much blood to make its way up the trachea in the few breaths taken in those 40 yards.

Uhhhhh Not. Every deer I have EVER shot double lung with bow or rifle bled from both sides AND the nose. Now granted, you are correct in saying that, for the most part, it does take a bit to get the blood and 20 yards is usually covered in just a second or 2. But again, EVERY single deer I have double lunged, I have gotten 3 distinct trails, one on left, one on right, and one in the middle. It's actually the main reason I always go for a double lung shot with archery equipment.

OP, unless your rifle will shoot nothing smaller, 180gr is actually way more than needed for white tail. And with a double lung shot, you are hitting very little bone so it's not likely to open up your bullet on impact. Just punches through. Personally, if you don't reload, I would recommend the 150gr Corelokts as well. Standard cup and core bullets like them have been successfully dropping deer for many many years.

tikka-guy
December 12, 2011, 11:04 PM
I haven't shot them in .30-06, but in my experience Hornady SSTs expand very well. I've shot several deer and a couple of antelope with them out of my .270, and have had a good experience every time.

I've never used the Nosler ballistic tips recommended above, but I think they perform similar to the SSTs.

Art Eatman
December 13, 2011, 11:44 AM
My experience is that most any 150-grain bullet that allows decent groups will ruin Bambi's day about as good as any other.

Hornadys, Sierras, Bronze Points; they all work. From reports here on the Internet, bunches of folks are quite happy with the Rem CoreLokts.

rcmodel
December 13, 2011, 11:51 AM
I agree with everyone else.

You are using too heavy, tough, and slow a bullet for lung shot whitetail deer.

Try a 150 grain, like a Remington Core-Lokt.
You will get 200-300 FPS higher velocity at typical ranges, and the extra speed, coupled with a lighter constructed bullet will leave a blood trail when it comes out the back side!

rc

303tom
December 13, 2011, 12:33 PM
Hello Everyone! I am new to this and hope that Iam in the right place.

I shot two deer this year with a 30.06 rifle using a Winchester 180gr SP. Both deer were double lunged and and only went 30-40 yards. There was no blood trail and two small holes.

My question to all of you, because I like the 180gr but open to suggestions. Is there a bullet out there that will open the deer and make a bigger hole and will provide a blood trail?

Thank you all!
If the 180 grain bullet shoots good in your rifle, drop the spear point & go with a round nose or a hollow point.........

Zeke/PA
December 13, 2011, 01:07 PM
For many years I used the 180 gr. Remington Core-Lokt round nose over 46 grains of 4064 in the .30-'06 with great success.
This bullet has not been available to reloaders for quite some time but the pointed version performs well also.

RhinoDefense
December 13, 2011, 01:09 PM
150gr soft point is more than what you need.

brnmuenchow
December 13, 2011, 01:15 PM
gjo446, you got the wrong idea! The idea is not to have them leave a blood trail but to knock them flat with the impact of the bullet.

Agreed best case senario, For years I used the SUPER-X Winchesters and they have served well. Bullet technology has improved since then and I find myself trying other bullet types also. You may want to try Winchesters 150, 168, or 180gr. "Ballistic Silvertips" I have not tried the "POWER MAX" bullets yet also from Winchester, but I have used the Black Hills "GOLD" in .270 Win. using the Barnes TSX bullets and they also do just fine. ---sometimes bullets just have a mind of their own and do what they want when they want, regardless of what you think it should have done!

sKunkT
December 13, 2011, 01:29 PM
was always a fan of nosler partitions and silver ballistic tips until I started shooting the 30-06 and cannot afford to spend as much. These more expensive rounds are still my favorite in the .243. Rem CoreLokts are super inexpensive and so far the deer I've shot with 165's have left large exits, especially when hitting bone. Since I've switched to Remingtons I've shot 5 deer. 2 dropped right there, 2 died where I could see, and one left a blood trail like a brick road for about 50 yards where it piled up. I know guys who shoot 150's and 180's winchester, remington, federal, and fusion without any issue. The only reason I chose 165's is because I saw them in the store and wanted to try them.

nathan
December 13, 2011, 05:11 PM
The best compromise is 165 gr . Oh well dead is dead be it the low or higher gr bullet. A .22 bullet can even take out a deer at the right spot.

Arkansas Paul
December 13, 2011, 05:59 PM
Nosler Ballistic Tip in whatever grain you prefer. I love em in 150 grain myself. Never had a deer go far with one and massive exit wounds. Don't hit the shoulder however, or you won't eat the offside one.

gjo446
December 14, 2011, 10:51 PM
This awesome! I want to thank everyone who replied. So much information!

Thank you so much and feel free to keep the advice coming.

Ridgerunner665
December 14, 2011, 10:54 PM
165/168 grain bullets are my choice for deer...specifically Nosler Ballistic Tips (they offer both weights....I use 168's)

They expand quickly, but do not shatter....penetration is always through and through....leaving a blood trail a blind man could follow IF they go anywhere. (they usually don't go anywhere except down)

wyohome
December 14, 2011, 11:40 PM
I load 150 grain Ballistic tips for my .308s for mulies. My wife and I have shot 7 deer in 7 shots the last 4 years, she didn't hunt one of those years or it would be 8 for 8.

Savage99
December 14, 2011, 11:51 PM
The distance the deer ran from a double lung hit with a 180 is normal.

I would use 150 gr bullets on deer. John Barsness reports that the Berger VLD bullets stop deer the fastest of any. That mono bullets like the Barnes X's are slower to kill.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/4775412/Searchpage/4/Main/353860/Words/berger/Search/true/Re_Mule_Deer_can_you_tell_me_a#Post4775412

Todd1700
December 15, 2011, 12:09 PM
I'd drop down to a 150 or 165 grain bullet. There are a lot of good lead tipped cup and core style bullets in those weight ranges. Hornady interlocks, Remington Cor-Lokts, Federal Fusions, etc, etc. Whatever your particular rifle likes best. 150 grain bullets like those should open up a little more on deer sized animals and give you a bigger wound channel than the 180 grain bullets. They might also give you more dead right there kills but a 40 to 60 yard death dash is the norm no matter what you use. And in my personal opinion the expensive premium bullets are not necessary for deer from a 30-06.

wyohome
December 15, 2011, 12:49 PM
I also loaded 50 rounds of 308 using 125 Gr. Ballistic tips, thinking that the lower recoil would allow my wife to shoot better. I did not have good luck with accuracy in any of my 4 308 rifles. 3 inch groups seemed to be the norm.

countertop
December 15, 2011, 01:13 PM
I usually can blow a tiny .284 inch hole one side and a softball sized hole (blasting massive amounts of blood) out the other with 150 grain Prvi Partizan Spitzer softpoint boat tail bullets and 54.4 grains of H4831sc out of my Remington 700 in .280 Remington moving about 2600 fps. I'd assume a similar sized and constructed bullet out of a .330-06 would do similar damage (but with a .30 entry hole)

sugarmaker
December 15, 2011, 02:20 PM
40 or 50 yard run is pretty typical of a 30 cal through the boiler room. It's hard to improve on an '06 180 for whitetails. Use a Nosler if you need an exit hole.

nathan
December 15, 2011, 03:10 PM
The new Federal Fusion in 150 gr is a killer bullet. Its getting more popular nowadays.

gunner69
December 16, 2011, 12:59 AM
I agree with RidgeRunner, I too like the 165/168gr Noslers. I have settled on the 168gr too as that is what my 30-06 rifle likes. My .308 rifle likes the same bullet too.

quartermaster
December 16, 2011, 08:12 AM
I like the 150 gr Ballistic tips although there isn't a blood trail, just a puddle.

I think there is a ton of bullets out there that are good penetraters. It's been stated a million times in this forum as well as all the others that shot placement is the most important factor.

I would experiment with as much of a selection as you are able to and select the one that shoots most accurately out of your rifle. It doesn't take very much energy to kill a deer if your bullet connects in the right spots

ms6852
December 16, 2011, 12:34 PM
Biggest deer I shot with a 30-06 I used a 125 grain remington corelokt. Hit the should shattered and made a devastating hole. Deer dropped dead on its track. I went to heavier bullet the 150 grain remington core-lokt still does the job but does not destroy to much meat.

LoonWulf
December 16, 2011, 05:48 PM
Another vote for the 165/8 grn balistic tips, 180s even if you really want. Ive also had good luck with Hornadys SSTs in both 165 and 180, they seem to open quicker so i DO like the 180s in sst form.

Win73
December 17, 2011, 01:58 AM
Yesterday I put down a buck with one shot at 75 yards using 150 grain Remington Core-lokt out of my NEF .30-06. It fell where it stood. In fact it was almost like it was knocked down. It didn't sink down, it hit the ground on its side.

I have had deer run after being hit with the 150 grain Core-lokt but they always left a good blood trail when they did.

RevGeo
December 17, 2011, 09:51 AM
I hunt for whitetails, muleys, elk, bear and moose and use 180s for everything. That way I don't have to sight in my rifle for different loads. I've never lost a deer due to using too heavy a bullet.
I like high shoulder shots if I have the option.

George

northalta
December 18, 2011, 09:14 PM
I use 165 hornady btsp works very well on deer,moose and bear use my 338 for elk.

gunner69
December 19, 2011, 12:24 AM
Every barrel has its "likes and dislikes" as far as bullets. What works for one guy, doesn't always work from anothers rifle (barrel twist) If you reload it's easier, and cheaper, to short through the choices. If I find a really "sweet" load, somethimes quit looking.

Good Luck on your search.......

castingdonkey
December 19, 2011, 12:46 AM
Shoot whatever is accurate out of your gun. Use remingtom core lokt if you want to plate the inside of your game animal with a fine coating of lead. Seems to explode on contact and make a huge mess. But folks love them for their expansion or explosion. I don't eat lead so I use barnes or hornady or anything but a remington cl. They kill game dead but like I said lots of lead.

Win73
December 19, 2011, 08:04 PM
Shoot whatever is accurate out of your gun. Use remingtom core lokt if you want to plate the inside of your game animal with a fine coating of lead. Seems to explode on contact and make a huge mess. But folks love them for their expansion or explosion. I don't eat lead so I use barnes or hornady or anything but a remington cl. They kill game dead but like I said lots of lead.

I killed a 120-130 pound buck Friday and about a 150 pounder today. Both were put down with 150 grain Remington Core-Lokt .30-06. Both were holed through and through. In both cases the entrance hole was small. I had to look for it to find it. But both exit holes were at least a half inch in diameter. So those bullets had to hold together and expand to at least .50 caliber to punch that large an exit hole. They couldn't have left much if any lead inside the deer.

And they are accurate out of my NEF .30-06. Both deer were almost exactly 75 yard shots. Both were broadside to me and I put the crosshairs right behind the front shoulder. The exit hole was on the oposite side right behind the front shoulder.

castingdonkey
December 20, 2011, 02:34 AM
They are excellent rounds for killing things and accurate as a hunting round can be. I have found them inside of game shelled out and almost no lead left in a hollowed out copper jacket. I wont say they don't work, just try not to hit bone with them. I don't mean ribs either.

langenc
December 23, 2011, 03:40 PM
Hunted moose/caribou in Alaska way back.

They like 180s for moose and 150s for 'bous. When huntin both most will compromise and use 165s.

I use 150 for deer.

The last 3 yrs I have used the 243 at my sons. Im 3 for 3 shots.
2 deer and one coyote. This years deer shot at 110 yards. It died about 40 yards from me-it followed the trail right behind the blind I shot it from.

Loads were 90 or 95 gr Corelokts.

solvability
December 23, 2011, 03:48 PM
After using a 30-06 for 40 years I just shot one with a 44 Mag and next I am going to try 45-70. Those heavy slow bullets tend to exit the whitetails in our woods pretty reliably. We rarely get long shots here.

The 30-06 knocked them dead and I had excellent penetration with the Rem 180 Corelocks - I did not have excellent penetration with Win 150g PowerPoint - only bullet I recovered on a deer was just under the hide on the off side. I have been fortunate to have the deer fall dead right away.

If I had to choose between through and through penetration and good expansion with a 30-06 I would go expansion. Problem with high velocity bullets is the amount of lost meat due to blood and bone.

IsaacCarlson
December 23, 2011, 05:03 PM
It is not about the ammo. It is about shot placement. A bigger gun is a poor substitute for good shot placement. Just put the bullet where it would do the most damage. A good hollow point will do just fine.

H&Hhunter
December 24, 2011, 10:42 AM
I am tempted to say "yes" and leave it at that.;)

Any bullet made at just about any weight will be fine for deer hunting with a .30-06. But to narrow it down anything from 150 grs to 200 grs in a soft point configuration will kill deer very nicely with your .30-06.

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