300 Savage or 308Win in AR-15 Barrel?


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1stmarine
December 12, 2011, 10:11 PM
Have you ever seen an AR15 barreled for the 300 Savage or the 308Win?
I know what you are thinking, why, how?
I know this is not normal but I just want to know. There is actually a simple solution to feeding from the AR-15 lower for certain rounds.
Thanks.

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NG VI
December 12, 2011, 10:24 PM
I can't imagine no one would have done it yet if it were all that simple.

As far as the barrel itself goes, I'll bet you could get one of the barrel companies to ream you a .308 or .300 Savage chamber pretty easily, as long as you were cool with throwing a little extra cash at 'em. or maybe they won't need any extra money, it's just a reaming job after all, and they won't care how successful your project is or isn't.

Sounds cool though, does it involve a side-feeding magazine?

Sebastian the Ibis
December 12, 2011, 10:29 PM
It's going to be a bit hard to get a .30 cal bullet through a .223 tube. But I have seen an AR-10 in .308.

helotaxi
December 12, 2011, 10:32 PM
It's going to be a bit hard to get a .30 cal bullet through a .223 tube. But I have seen an AR-10 in .308.
Since when was an AR-15 always a .223?

I'd like to hear how a 2.8" long round fits through a 2.45" mag well.

1stmarine
December 12, 2011, 10:35 PM
Yep. I am working on a 5 and another 10 rounder.
Plenty for hunting at considerable range. I think it is easier to modify the mags than it is to come up with a new good round that fits in the old house.
For the 5.56 offspring I already built a series of VLD magazines. I have to modify the bolt stop. I am very happy with the 6x45 performance in the VLD feeder. Same setup is used by the AI folks.
I will keep asking to see if I could boot this. I am looking into a 18" big momma AR-15.
Cheers.

1stmarine
December 12, 2011, 10:40 PM
oh boy!!! . I am planning to sending the bullets by fax then.

Again...
Bore 308. Chamber 300 savage or 308win.
Cut to fit AR-15. Bolt face @ 0.47 and matching extension.

Please stay focused on the subject.
Thanks.

hardluk1
December 13, 2011, 07:47 AM
1stmarine Why not give the .30cal remington a look over. Tops the savage but unlike a 308winny fits in the ar15 mag lenght with a .421 rim. Buy a barrel and replace the breach and follower. Not custom machineing
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2008/10/remington-introduces-new-30-remington-ar-cartridge/

1stmarine
December 13, 2011, 10:18 AM
hardluk1,
That is a good point. It is an awesome offering and it has been considered.
These are my thoughts.....
A) It is proprietary and there are no reamers so I cannot have a barrel with specific characteristics.
B) I have truck load 308 brass that I can already use for reloading.
C) The Savage has the potential to launch a 160gr bullet at 2650fps. I like my trajectories to stay as close as possible to the desirable 2700fps with the most efficient bullets. The 30RAR cannot do that.
D) It is more fun, maybe? ;-)

rcmodel
December 13, 2011, 01:12 PM
It seems to me cutting a .223 bolt face to fit a .308 case would seriously compromise the safety of the bolt lugs.

I'm not even sure there is enough bolt carrier travel to be able to eject a loaded .308 round if you want to unload the rifle without shooting it?

That is why the AR-10 bolt and action is bigger.

There are several .30 cal cartridges that will fit an AR-15 action & magazine already out there with rebated rims to fit a .223 bolt face & extractor.

In all, I think it is a very bad idea.

rc

helotaxi
December 13, 2011, 01:33 PM
Even the 30RAR uses a larger bolt to accomodate the increased bolt head size. Same with the WSSM ARs and the 300 OSSM. Totally different bolts, carriers and uppers.

The OSSM will do what you want, and more.

R.W.Dale
December 13, 2011, 03:17 PM
oh boy!!! . I am planning to sending the bullets by fax then.

Again...
Bore 308. Chamber 300 savage or 308win.
Cut to fit AR-15. Bolt face @ 0.47 and matching extension.

Please stay focused on the subject.
Thanks.

OK then quit dodging the question and tell us how you intend to get a magwell that's maxed out in terms of lenght as exampled on the right (30herrett) to feed either of the two cartridges on the LEFT (308 and 300sav)

If you expect us to take you seriously you're gonna have to tell us how you intend to get around this obstacle. Because I assure you, you're not the first nor the last to inquire about 308 ar15's. Which in most cases is a complete newbie asking.

http://img.tapatalk.com/a6cd09e1-b2be-8ac0.jpg

Even with a plus sized bbl extension and bolt face both 30rar and 450 bushmaster (.473") case heads are held to much lower pressures than 308 in difference to the weaker bolt.

To do a 308 you'll need a wssm sized reciever and bbl extension. IE ar10 sized.

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hardluk1
December 13, 2011, 04:07 PM
Pacific tool makes reamers for the 30 remington ar cartidge. 147 bucks. The 30 rem ar bolt face is a couple hundreds larger so it could be done.

Theres no way to stuff that 300 savage round haveing to use a .223 mag to controle lenght. No matter what ar15 based rifle you pick your stuck

with a 2.26 OAL. The savage is 2.60 oal. Be very hard to push a 160gr to 2700fps with 308/300sav shortend brass down to around 1.53" and there is

data for the 308x1.50 barnes out there to look at.. Good health and life insurance ?? Wildcat cartidge time. Good luck

1stmarine
December 13, 2011, 04:25 PM
Hi guys. Nice points. Please see my comments below...

helotaxi,
The 300 OSSM is proprietary, expensive and reports show not that much accurate. It is clearly overbored for this platform. Also the WSSM bolts are not the strongest of all.

rcmodel,
It seems to me cutting a .223 bolt face to fit a .308 case would seriously compromise the safety of the bolt lugs.

No need to cut anything. This is the same used in the 6BR and 7BR bolts that are already in circulation. The extensions are very strong.


I'm not even sure there is enough bolt carrier travel to be able to eject a loaded .308 round if you want to unload the rifle without shooting it?


Yes there is enough room. The round is not larger than the magazine overall length. And the travel goes well past that otherwise it would never engage the bolt retain. The trick is how to squeeze the round in there. I am working on this.


That is why the AR-10 bolt and action is bigger.

It makes sense that everything is beefed up for all sort for 308 loads and uses but even a mild load is very reasonable. In the end the RAR and specially the WSSM deal with more powerful loads (ie: WSSM) with bigger bolt face, bigger section and weaker bolts than the 308/BR bolt face.


There are several .30 cal cartridges that will fit an AR-15 action & magazine already out there with rebated rims to fit a .223 bolt face & extractor.

In all, I think it is a very bad idea.

The AR-15 was created to fit the .223 round and not the other way around. We love the AR-15 calibers because we love the ARs but it is hard to find one round that is really popular in the bolt department, with the obvious exceptions of the .223 and 7.62x39 classic, in big part due to its military background.

My thought is to work with a popular round. In the end I will have to modify the loading mechanism once vs special/costly rounds that I have to potentially prepare hundred of times.

Thanks.

1stmarine
December 13, 2011, 04:52 PM
R.W.Dale,
Please see my comments below...

OK then quit dodging the question and tell us how you intend to get a magwell that's maxed out in terms of lenght as exampled on the right (30herrett) to feed either of the two cartridges on the LEFT (308 and 300sav)

The 300 savage and 308 win will fit int he magwell with a good assortment of bullets. not all the bullets.


If you expect us to take you seriously you're gonna have to tell us how you intend to get around this obstacle. Because I assure you, you're not the first nor the last to inquire about 308 ar15's. Which in most cases is a complete newbie asking.

I understand your confusion. I never said this is already working but I think I am very close to make it work. My intention is to keep this a positive dialog and at the moment simply ask for feedback. If I thought it was not possible I would not be trying this. I have many wildcats in the AR15 so I am familiar with the limitations.


Even with a plus sized bbl extension and bolt face both 30rar and 450 bushmaster (.473") case heads are held to much lower pressures than 308 in difference to the weaker bolt.

Negative, for example .243 WSSM puts 65,000 psi with a wider section (less meat on the barrel around the chamber) and a weaker bolt compare to the new 6BR bolts in circulation.


To do a 308 you'll need a wssm sized reciever and bbl extension. IE ar10 sized.


Negative, the WSSM bolt and extension is yet another reason not to go that route. Some of those push the AR15 way too far. The new designs used in the 6 and 7BR more appropriate I think and based on section alone back thrust should not be a concern.

R.W.Dale
December 13, 2011, 04:58 PM
You do understand that wssm uppers DO NOT use the same diameter bbl shank and extension than the ar15

http://www.dtechsuperstore.com/images/gund.jpg

Another point you're missing is that even if you get 308/300 to feed using low BC short bullets all you've done is create a handload only cartridge. If it wont chamber and shoot commercial 308 then its not chambered for 308 then is it?

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rcmodel
December 13, 2011, 05:09 PM
The 6mm BR is loaded to 52,000 CUP.

The .308 Winchester to 65,000 PSI.

rc

R.W.Dale
December 13, 2011, 05:20 PM
The 6mm BR is loaded to 52,000 CUP.

The .308 Winchester to 65,000 PSI.

rc

Can't compare cup and psi

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rcmodel
December 13, 2011, 05:23 PM
I know that.

But it doesn't change that the 6mm BR is not loaded to as high a pressure as the .308 when comparing whittling out a .223 bolt face to fit one ot the other.

Lets just say that the 6mmBR is a lower pressure round then the .308 and leave it at that.

rc

1stmarine
December 13, 2011, 05:54 PM
R.W.Dale,
Yes Thanks. But if you look at the section you end up with less difference (meat) around the chamber. But this brings an interesting point. Would it be better to put a wider and stiffer section even if it is not 100% needed.

rcmodel,
Lets not forget the Savage that I put in the post. I am looking at this as a more attractive option for several reasons. SAAMI pressure 47K psi but CIP std. pressure 53K psi. Since the savage is the parent case for the 308 I can produce many "free brass" using the 308. I have thousands of x1 fired. The 308win SAAMI is is 62K Psi not 65K Psi. Look it up if you want. But this is not even the point. Both the savage and the 308 can be pushed further safely. Also any BR shooter can confirm the 6BR will do 57 PSI all day w/o any signs of stress.
But, for my purpose in this platform I am perfectly ok with the average 300 savage load. I do not need to push it any further and get into the red. In the end this is not intended to beat any record. Actually, once the feeding issue is overcome, I look at it as an easier option round.

Even Stoner faced his own challenges at first. They though the AR15 was a plastic toy. The Army didn't want it. But he was a tenacious man of science and persevered.

Thanks guys. I know this looks like an old tale but if it was easy I wouldn't be asking around and it would have been done. I just wanted to take a totally different route for the next upper.


ps.. and I almost always reload so this is not an issue for me. Thanks for pointing that out though.

1stmarine
December 13, 2011, 06:01 PM
I am looking at this one from the guys from AR performance in Colorado...
They seem to have very good stuff over there. The 308 bolt face is the one on the right. Very strong reports say...

http://m.b5z.net/zirw/z18b1/i/u/6132121/i//boltcomp.jpg

hardluk1
December 13, 2011, 09:02 PM
Do your self a simple measurement of the metal ar mags And you will find that even if you can make the full lenght 300 savage function in the upper it will NOT load in ar15mag with full out side dimintion of 2.45" lenght front to rear. I don't believe your even a deep set lenght 125gr word intrud on case capasity .much less a 160+ gr bullet so reguardless of what you contrive with the upper issue the lower won't work.

1stmarine
December 13, 2011, 11:42 PM
Hi hardluk1,
it is all measured and figured out. Actually I just came from my workshop and I have an almost working prototype. MEasure the magwell and see for yourself if a nice savage round is smaller or larger than that.
We will use the hammer to stuff it in there if needed. ...I am joking. LOL!

Resolving things.... just like at work but more fun. :)

hardluk1
December 14, 2011, 09:29 AM
Well you will be compressing and shortning the cartirdge is its not the mag well you have todeal with but the mag it self. Just be sure you have good insurance. When AR blow they tend to do it very bug.

1stmarine
December 14, 2011, 09:52 AM
hardluk1,
Good points. Don't worry whatever we do, safety first.
The magazine is modified so the cartrige can be loaded at length.
I cannot use the longest long range/VLD bullets but this is not the purpose of the upper anyway.
Thanks.

hardluk1
December 14, 2011, 11:13 AM
But wasn't useing even the 160gr bullets a prime need for you. It will have to be deep set and that defeats the purpose of the 300 savage stock brass With a inside lower mag opening of from the recess to recess being 2,606 and room haveing to be made for the mag it self, wiggle room and then a cartridge you will have to run short cartridges and stock factory ammo will not run. Also getting over 2700fps out of 150gr bullets is pushing a 300 savage . If nothing factory in ammo will work it is another wildcat with altered brass and that has been done ever which way from sunday. But good luck with your guys project. Rather have 6.5 or 270 version anyhow, better BC and down range performance

1stmarine
December 14, 2011, 11:26 AM
But your concerns are valid and understandable. Again the magazine is radically modified.
3 good bullets for deer, black bear, etc... that will work in this portfolio.
http://www.hornady.com/store/30-Cal-.308-140-GR-MONOFLEX-for-308-mx/
http://www.hornady.com/store/30-Cal-.308-160-gr-FTX-for-30-30-Win/
http://www.hornady.com/store/30-Cal-.308-160-gr-FTX-308-Marlin-Express/

3rd Infantry Div.
December 14, 2011, 02:12 PM
Hello, the .308 is already in the AR15 platform. I own a DPMS Panther AP4 LR.308. Look it up. The frame is larger than the standard Mp4 design, but it looks just like it with 20 round magazines. Sorry if I misunderstood what your askin about. It won't work in the standard AR15 design.

R.W.Dale
December 14, 2011, 03:26 PM
Would you like to buy my old woa 30HRT bbl?

Low round count. Ill cut you a smoking deal on it.

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helotaxi
December 14, 2011, 03:31 PM
The FTX 30-30 bullet is the better bullet for your use since is has a shorter ogive and is meant to be loaded where action length is a concern.

I'm not sure where you heard that the OSSW is having accuracy issues since I've heard the opposite exclusively. While the OSSW is a proprietary design, so is yours. The biggest difference is that theirs is tested and proven by a firearms company and has pressure tested load data to go along with it. It also isn't that expensive. Especially not compared to a one-off custom job. They use an upper with a larger ejection point to accomodate the larger case diameter as well as a larger diameter. The bolt, barrel extension and barrel shank are larger than normal to accomodate the fat little round. They developed the oversized parts for their .223, .245 and .25 WSSM rifles a few years ago so the parts are tested. The bolt isn't the strongest possible bolt out there, but it has proven more than capable of standing up to use with a 65K psi cartridge. That is the max that SAAMI permits. How much stronger does it need to be?

The problem with getting a powerful round in the AR-15 platform is the limited cartridge length dictated by the dimensions of the mag well. Mess with the magazine itself and you run into interchangelability problems as well as reliability issues. You can't make a longer case so that leaves the only option of going with a fatter case if you want an increased powder capacity. The 6.8 SPC was the first commercial endeavour in that direction since it was generally determined that going with a bigger rim diameter that that of the .30 Rem (parent case of the 6.8 SPC) would excessively weaken the AR-15 bolt. There have been strength problems with the 7.62x39, PPC series and 6.5 Grendel (all based at least somewhat on the .220 Russian) bolts. Running a case head larger than the 6.8 has led to several different bolt sizes and barrel extensions being developed by several different companies. Olympic and D-tech worked out the WSSM case size. Remington (or more correctly Bushmaster) worked with making the .473 case head work for the .30 RAR and the result was an oversized bolt based on the AR-10 bolt and a barrel extension to match it. The ballistics of the .30RAR are VERY close to the .250 Savage and the OSSM has demonstrated ballistics on the order of the .30-06.

Me, personally, I have no particular fascination or obsession with the .30 cal bore size and think that it isn't very well suited to much of anything and is especially poorly suited to any cartridge with a limited length or powder capacity. You can punch a bigger hole with the likes of the .458 SOCOM, .450 Bushmaster and the .50 Beowulf and can get better long range performance from a smaller diameter bullet that can be pushed faster and has a higher BC. From my perspective a 6.5 or 7mm OSSM would be the ideal cartridge for the AR-15 platform. It would take a non-standard upper and bolt but would stomp the crap out of nearly everything else possible across the course with its advantage only increasing as the range increased.

Your time, effort and money. Do what you want but realize that you're unlikely to exceed the performance anything already available and you're firmly in wildcat territory.

helotaxi
December 14, 2011, 03:32 PM
Hello, the .308 is already in the AR15 platform.
That's an AR-10 platform. It's bigger than the AR-15.

1stmarine
December 14, 2011, 05:06 PM
helotaxi,
Good points.
Those FTX bullets are really mean. I can attest to that.
The WSSM are definitively great casings. Very strong. Could be very accurate but I have been working for a long time with the WSSM forum and some AR OSSM folks are not getting the performance accuracy wise you get with other WSSM offerings. Maybe this has changed lately. In fact the .243/30 wildcatters were getting better results.
Ballistics compared to the 30.06 is really a marketing stunt. Is that really necessary anyway? You are totally limited by the magazine as you mentioned. There is no mention how the 30./06 can be too overcharged. Almost anyting can be turborized. With long barrels, right bowders and bullets. Nothing is disclosed as how they come up with those numbers. Reality shows no one single overcharge OSSM load is either accurate or practical. If you like Mike's work at DTI then just why not to go for the 338 or 358. The 358 is a bigga momma and if you are going to be fireforming and the whole nine yards that leaves the Socoms and BeWolfs or any other thumpers in the dust. You can use actual bullets with some ballistics and everythign and the folks in indiana love them.
But I know a couple of guys have been very stressful with the WSSM .243/7mm. However, like any WSSM, the limitation for long range is yet again, max mag. length and not the round itself. This one very accurate though.

I agree, there are many good options out there and 30 cal is probably not the best. For me the 6.5BR is hard to beat in the AR for many uses. The BRX goes even further but the BR is so much easier.
Could be a perfect hunting round for Elk and bear and still punch paper supersonic at 1100 yards.

So, lets imagine for a second the feeding from the savage is resolved. Lets put that aside.

These are some simple reasons this is a attractive to me.

A) Reamers available. Anyone can do a 300 savage with a barrel to my precise specifications.
B) Free brass. I have truck loads of 308w. and nice motorized trimmer/prep setup.
C) Even if I had to buy brass is cheap'er and no fire forming needed.
D) Limitations due to length are there too but still have some nice options from 130gr to 160gr ftx.
D) Plenty of power for big game at reasonable range.
E) Good bullet deals for target loads. Something nice along with the free brass.
F) Yet another upper to the collection but some that I see myself using this in a very light setup with the deer and black bear and even Elk. Hard to decide sometimes. Can only hunt with one at the time.

1stmarine
December 14, 2011, 05:41 PM
R.W.Dale,
What are the precise dimensions / profile? Porting?
We need enough section uncut so it can be reamed and still have enough meat around the chamber.

helotaxi
December 14, 2011, 06:21 PM
and some AR OSSM folks are not getting the performance accuracy wise you get with other WSSM offerings. Maybe this has changed lately.Or maybe it was these people in particular having problems.Ballistics compared to the 30.06 is really a marketing stunt.How do you figure? The source of the ballistic data I've seen is not Olympic. The .25 WSSM essentially duplicates the .25-06 (slightly less case volume but the short, fat case is more efficient and the cartridge is designed to a higher pressure than the -06 series. There is no mention how the 30./06 can be too overcharged.Not reliably, the brass nor actions are designed around a higher pressure. Almost anything can be turborized.And almost any firearm can be grenaded. With long barrels, right bowders and bullets. Nothing is disclosed as how they come up with those numbers.The data I've seen was loaded within the pressure limits of the parent case and used a 24" barrel.If you like Mike's work at DTI then just why not to go for the 338 or 358.Mostly because I'm not a recoil junkie and a hard kicking AR-15 totally defeats the purpose IMO. Also the larger calibers start to suck hard at longer range.
But I know a couple of guys have been very stressful with the WSSM .243/7mm. However, like any WSSM, the limitation for long range is yet again, max mag. length and not the round itself. This one very accurate though.These will be vastly superior to any .30 cal offering that you can fit in an AR-15 action at longer range thanks to the better BC of the bullets that will fit in the magazine with the same length case and the fact that they will be lighter and capable of being driven faster at the same time.

1stmarine
December 14, 2011, 06:36 PM
helotaxi,
Hey you didn't quote me in the entire note? what happened? Quote&roll. lol!
the folks trying this were several from their own Oly forum using standard setup following factory directions.
We are not going to granade any barrels, do not worry about that.
I am in agreement about the 7mm, specially for longer reach. Awesome bullets. Again the WSSM doesn't leave much room and running over the ogive is a big nono.

Anyway,
I am talking to a couple of barrel makers. I will keep this posted in case someone is interested in the 300 Savage option.

IdahoSkies
April 6, 2012, 10:52 PM
If the magazine is side fed like those bolt action .50s on the ARs lowers, it might work. I am interested. It is the one thing that has kept me back from AR15s is that they cant do bigger/full size cartridges.

1stmarine
April 6, 2012, 11:23 PM
No. It feeds from the bottom just like any other mag. It is transformed like a clip so there is no metal added in the back or front. At the moment I have a prototype that looks horrible but it works. Right now I am waiting for the bolts and extensions that are hard to get by. Then cut the barrel that should be easy as the reamer is widely available.

If you are interested let me know if you can help search for another bolt or someone that can cut it w/o taking 6 months. Otherwise we might not see this working before hunting season is here again.

Thanks.

FlyinBryan
April 6, 2012, 11:35 PM
when you finish it could you begin resaerch and development for an ar10 platform 50bmg?

1stmarine
April 7, 2012, 12:57 AM
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z327/fotoeiro/Chorradas/Soprano.gif

IdahoSkies
April 7, 2012, 05:54 PM
I will keep my eyes out. I am in the research phase of my first ar build (still not yet fully committed as I pointed our). I will definitely look around some more with your issues in mind.

1stmarine
April 7, 2012, 08:34 PM
Idaho,
I had built other similar. I think the savage it makes sense to me because I have a lot of x1 fired brass and with the ftx bullets just makes it centerstack.
Everything else should make it a very light 18" 5-6 shot shooter for pigs and white tail.

1stmarine
April 9, 2012, 12:14 AM
Idaho,
I found the bolts!! I bought them today.

Now to get someone to cut the barrel. I am looking for a reamer with the least amount of leads for this purpose.
I will post a video of the modified mag working.. It is going to be 5 to 6 single stack. I do not need more and anyway more is not legal here for hunting.
I need a stronger spring. I am trying to find a magazine that is single stack that is longer so I can cat to the tension I need. It can be any other caliber as soon as it fits in the AR15 receiver.

1stmarine
April 22, 2012, 09:17 PM
The bolts and extensions are here!!! Now to get the barrel done.

CMC
April 25, 2012, 03:41 PM
Marine the 30 Ar will do 2660 fps with a 150 gr bullet and the 300 savage does not do a whole better unlesss 40 fps is a big deal to you.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/handloading-30-remington-ar/
Did you look at the 30 BR or the old 308 x 1.5 Barnes , the have less powder capacity then the 30 ar and are slower.
Another option could be a 6.5 mm by 1.5 based on a 308 case.
Anyway good luck and keep us informed.
I really like the 30 ar and already killed a deer with it.

JimStC
April 25, 2012, 03:57 PM
Great thread. Thinking outside the box is pretty cool. Thanks to the OP and all responders. I have learned a ton and thinking about options.
Thanks again
Jim

1stmarine
April 25, 2012, 10:03 PM
CMC,
I did think abut that one A LOT. It is amazing what that little chubby round can do. I do prefer that over the WSSM for my taste and more sensible shooting and they say it is very accurate too. I am happy you like it.
I have however other AR15 uppers that are beyond what is needed for big game even at long range so I wanted to try something really simple with a common round.
My though has been to also reuse the truck load of x1 fired 308w brass so any offspring is welcome news.
Some say it cannot be done. That's just fuel to my project.
As you know Oly has now the 22.250. In my case instead of working with a dedicated heavily modified receiver I rather to work with just heavily modified magazines.
Cheers,
E.

tyeo098
April 25, 2012, 10:09 PM
Side loading, eject out the mag well. problem solved.

1stmarine
April 25, 2012, 10:10 PM
JimSTC,
Many thanks for your kind words and support. As you can see I got a lot of BS in some posts but obviously from folks that didn't take one second to go and actually measure the mag-well and the round. I am not trying to prove anything, I am not in research of a new AR15 world record, I am not competing with anyone, simply building something new for fun with the intention to use it and actually hunt with it.
Now I have a working mag prototype and the bolt I just need the barrel cut. Slowly but steadily I am working my way to the end line. I am pretty sure will not be bug free from day one but otherwise where is the fun?
I promise pics.

1stmarine
April 25, 2012, 10:11 PM
Side loading, eject out the mag well. problem solved.
Hi tyeo098,
That would great if there was a need for it. There is no need.

1stmarine
April 25, 2012, 10:19 PM
CMC,
Here you have a couple of 6x45 next to a 6BR norma lapua necked up to 6.5mm.
With a 20" upper with a 5R krieger barrel I have a 123gr Scenar / Amax or a 120gr nosler BT at 2800fps+ Will shoot the VLDs supersonic out to 1100 yards if one can hit anything but that is a different thread. So, very flat shooting and will take down anything walking in this continent. BR like the 6.5x47, PPC.. are not for everyone but BRs are extremely accurate and efficient. This is as good as it gets...

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z327/fotoeiro/6x45/65BRvs6x45c.jpg

95grainer vmax comes out screaming. Next to bolts and a 90gr 6x45.

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z327/fotoeiro/6x45/65BRvs6x45.jpg

123gr SMK - 2.295 COAL - 6.8mag standard.

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z327/fotoeiro/6x45/65BRvs6x45h.jpg

CMC
April 27, 2012, 12:02 PM
Hi Marine
Thanks for the photos.
I didnt know about the 6x45 that is very interesting.
I also have a lot of 308 brass also lying around and I only reload for the 308 and 30 ar.

Keep us posted!

1stmarine
April 27, 2012, 02:36 PM
Well as I said if you have a lot of 308w brass then it is a no brainer since the 308w originated from the 300 savage so it is relatively easy to convert back to the original form.
I have the RCBS powered station with the lee trimmer adapted to it so trimming even that much is an easy job.
I am looking for a lathe as in mine the motor crapped out. I am going to use a 7.62x40 wilson barrel to ream it.

6x45 is one of the best 6mm values (if not the best) one can get. ROI is almost instant.

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