Cheapest BULK 9mm hollow points?


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biggameballs
December 13, 2011, 09:33 PM
Pick up my new Sig Pro 2022 tomorrow. Now it's time to load up on ammo. I've found one manufacture of inexpensive bulk hollow points but I'd like some more recomendations. Must be brass cased.

I'd like to be able to shoot the same stuff at the range that I could use in the unlikely event that a bad guy enters my house.

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Dr_2_B
December 13, 2011, 09:45 PM
I have at times found pretty inexpensive hollowpoint stuff at Walmart. It's not bulk per se, but I would bet their prices aren't far from bulk prices by the time you figure in the shipping. Of course, you may only be interested in premium hollowpoints.

I would trust less expensive hollowpoints out of a .45, but I feel that 9mm performance is more dependent on excellent design and manufacture to be effective.

biggameballs
December 13, 2011, 09:54 PM
Cheapest hollow points I've found are BVAC once fired brass hollow points for 225 per thousand. Is the BVAC ammo any good?

Rusty Luck
December 13, 2011, 10:24 PM
In addition, what's the cheapest bulk FMJ? Never heard of the brand BGB.

mgmorden
December 13, 2011, 10:30 PM
You're making some sacrifices here that I don't think you need to (or should make). Specifically, you're looking for cheapo JHP's simply so that you can practice with them. Realistically, bullet trajectory doesn't change that much between cheapos and good stuff, and from your end the only thing that might change in the feel of the gun is possibly recoil.

Rather than go cheapo on your SD rounds, I'd just get some cheap FMJ's (which will be even less expensive), and practice with those. Then, get some actual quality self defense rounds, and shoot enough of those in the gun to verify that it feeds them properly and that they shoot to POA.

biggameballs
December 13, 2011, 10:47 PM
I was more worried about them hitting the exact point of aim as my practice rounds. I'll just load up some FMJ as my defense rounds too. Reality is my life isn't a Bruce Willis movie. I'm never going to shoot a person with my gun.

bigfatdave
December 13, 2011, 10:51 PM
the differences in POA/POI at reasonable handgun defense distances is negligible

shoot more - don't worry about POI shifts until you start being limited by the gun or ammunition.

Dr_2_B
December 14, 2011, 07:07 AM
I'll just load up some FMJ as my defense rounds too. Reality is my life isn't a Bruce Willis movie. I'm never going to shoot a person with my gun.

Yep, you're in charge of your own life and you can choose to do whatever you like. Do think about that choice though. (1) You keep a gun just in the unlikely event that you may have to defend yourself with it one day. (2) FMJ out of 9mm isn't really that effective to stop an attacker. And (3) a 9mm FMJ unfortunately is more likely than hollowpoint to keep going and strike an unintended target (read victim). The effect of that on their life and yours is pretty devastating.

Still, you're in charge of your life. (Well, unless #3 occurs... then you won't be in charge any more.)

Murphster
December 14, 2011, 07:18 AM
There are some listed here:

http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo_stats/handgun

Apocalypse-Now
December 14, 2011, 07:21 AM
Cheapest hollow points I've found are BVAC once fired brass hollow points for 225 per thousand. Is the BVAC ammo any good?

i googled them because of their prices, but was turned off by reports of tumbling bullets, duds, and kabooms. :eek:

MedWheeler
December 14, 2011, 09:37 AM
Locally (where I live), the least expensive are Remington's UMC rounds in 115-grain JHP. These are also what I carry in my Kel-Tec PF9, and they perform well at the range. I also keep the same maker's 88-grain JHP .380ACP stuff in my Bersa Thunder.

USAF_Vet
December 14, 2011, 10:46 AM
Locally (where I live), the least expensive are Remington's UMC rounds in 115-grain JHP. These are also what I carry in my Kel-Tec PF9, and they perform well at the range. I also keep the same maker's 88-grain JHP .380ACP stuff in my Bersa Thunder.
I was going to point to these as well. It's what I have in my S&W 469.

Furncliff
December 14, 2011, 12:28 PM
If you decided to go with ball ammo there is this.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Ammunition/Handgun-Ammunition%7C/pc/104792580/c/104691780/sc/104372280/Sellier-Bellot-Handgun-Ammo/706475.uts?destination=&rid=10&WT.tsrc=AFF&WT.mc_id=k3787

Very good price especially with free shipping. I like this S&B ammo more than any other budget brass cased 9mm.

biggameballs
December 14, 2011, 01:02 PM
Is S&B fairly clean burning?

nazshooter
December 14, 2011, 01:08 PM
I've purchased the BVAC stuff from them at a local gun show a few times. The stuff I purchased worked just fine but they were clearly very light loads and not something you'd want to use for SD. At the last gun show I couldn't find any new .45 acp that was any cheaper than Wal-Mart and even reloads were only a tiny bit cheaper.

The Lone Haranguer
December 14, 2011, 01:45 PM
I don't know if this fits your definition of "bulk," but Wal-Mart has the Remington/UMC JHPs for $27.97 per 100-round box.

Cheapest hollow points I've found are BVAC once fired brass hollow points for 225 per thousand.
"Once fired" sounds like a euphemism for reloaded.

FIVETWOSEVEN
December 14, 2011, 01:48 PM
I use Remington bulk JHP, it's cheap and I don't worry about practicing with FMJ that MAY have a difference POI. These aren't match shooting guns and they won't be something like a 2 inch difference at handgun defensive ranges.

NG VI
December 14, 2011, 02:18 PM
I was more worried about them hitting the exact point of aim as my practice rounds. I'll just load up some FMJ as my defense rounds too. Reality is my life isn't a Bruce Willis movie. I'm never going to shoot a person with my gun.

If you don't already shoot enough to have either a strong reloading setup and/or a couple of preferential manufacturers to buy by the case from, you don't shoot enough to notice the difference in point of aim between two roughly similar loads. Unless you are practicing with a 147 grain bullet at 850 feet per second and defense loading an 80 grain to 1500+, trajectory isn't going to be a serious concern.

Besides, you shouldn't be shooting at someone anyway if an inch difference in POI makes it an unsafe shot. Just get whatever's cheapest in 124 or 147 for practice, I always had great luck with Georgia Arms, and get a couple few fifty round boxes of some of the good current duty loads.

124+P and 147/147+P are the only three types of loads I would use defensively given a choice. Since you're buying them ahead of time, and not rummaging around in the dark or being forced to use them by someone else, you can get whatever you want. Current manufacture Winchester Ranger-T and Federal HST are the best, Speer's Gold Dot is kind of a gold standard for acceptable behavior of a defense bullet, anything loading the middle or heavy DPX bullets is a good choice, Golden Saber by Remington works, but has a strong tendency to have core/jacket separations. Hornady's XTP has a long reputation as a very accurate bullet, and it penetrates about the best of all the duty-oriented JHPs (lots of them are made for competition, and aren't actually designed to expand at all), but that's at the cost of very limited expansion. Marginal to me.

Winchester's new PDX loads, the ones that look just like Gold Dots and perform just like Gold Dots, should be good, they're supposed to be the same bullet the FBI just contracted for. Don't think they're available in regular-size 50 round boxes though. Hornady's Critical Defense is intentionally designed for limited penetration, and not by way of increased expansion, so personally I'd pass on it, though people who have bought them say they shoot very well and have nice recoil characteristics.

The biggest reason in my mind to not use the cheapest hollowpoints you can find, is that many hollowpoints are designed for accuracy, they aren't actually made in a way that promotes expansion, so some of them aren't really much better than FMJ.

You shouldn't keep FMJ loaded in your in-house magazine because you have a choice and the freedom to get bullets that work best, you aren't saddled with an institution that forces you to use the least effective ammunition. You don't wear a seatbelt because you love to run into trees at 60 MPH, you wear one because if something like that does happen, you don't want to be launched out of the vehicle.

Cob
December 15, 2011, 10:28 PM
This website is good one for Gun and ammo deals... You can sort the top deals by caliber (for 9mm luger, there were over 80 deals)

http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=9mm+Luger

Here are some HP for 20 cents/ round, or 99.99/ 500 rounds...
http://www.dealerease.net/catalog/product.asp?ret_id=140211&pid=1029780

I've shot Silver Bear in ammo besides 9mm, and was happy with it for the cost.

I went to the local range (almost across the street from where i work) after the law enforcement guys were done with their training (Each Participant had to shoot 200 rounds each day for 4 consecutive days for the training, so with 19 guys... that was ~15,000 rounds of empty brass lying on the ground at the end of the week, in multiple calibers... This is the range that Massad Ayoob teaches at. One of the instructors mentioned that he went down on one knee for one exercise, and had a cookie-cutter shaped hole, the size of a .45 acp hull along side his knee-cap. he practically begged me to come out and pick up the Brass, and i did so with my 2 boys by the 5 gallon bucket load... then tumbled/ cleaned/ deprimed/ reprimed/ and reloaded about 4,000 of the rounds... the price dropped to 5 - 9 cents/ round depending on bullet selection... Reloading is really the cheapes way to go if you want to shoot in quantity, but can be time consuming.

breeze010
December 15, 2011, 11:24 PM
I don't know if this fits your definition of "bulk," but Wal-Mart has the Remington/UMC JHPs for $27.97 per 100-round box.


This was going to be my suggestion also, these are the cheapest 9mm HPs I have seen. Unfortunately I have no idea how well the bullet itself expands/performs/etc. I have found several good deals on Winchester Ranger-T ammo for around $25/50rds which is an effective load from tests I've seen but still cheap enough to shoot a little or stockpile.

For FMJ you should be able to find plenty of different options around or slightly over $10/50rds. Blazer Brass in my area runs about $12/box along with Tula, WWB, etc. My favorite cheap round is the Federal 115gr FMJ that WalMart sells at $9.99/box. Not only is it cheaper than any other ammo I've seen in my area but it is probably the cleanest stuff I've ran through my gun. After 50rds of WWB the gun is filthy, after 150rds of the Federal ammo it still looks clean.

I understand your desire to practice with what you're going to be carrying but like a poster above mentioned the difference in POI at self defense ranges is going to be negligible IMO. Find a SD load you're confident in (this website has lots of good suggestions: http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#9mm), put however many rounds through your gun it takes to feel comfortable it will cycle reliably and then practice with the cheap stuff. If you're that concerned about difference in POI you could always try to find cheaper offerings with similar ballistics or simply test with different types and see how far the POI is really off. Either way I don't think the difference in POI is worth carrying FMJ instead of a well-designed HP.

J_McLeod
December 16, 2011, 12:05 AM
i googled them because of their prices, but was turned off by reports of tumbling bullets, duds, and kabooms. :eek:
I bought a case of BVAC 9mm in 09 in finished it off at the end of 10. It was a good price and fed well in my XD. I've shot some groups with it that were as accurate as my early handloads. About 1% of the rounds failed to fire, and about 10% of the brass had been reloaded so many times it started to crack. Overall I was happy, and I'd have bought more if I hadn't started loading my own.

opsman
January 12, 2012, 10:23 PM
I've put 1000 rounds of BVAC ammo down range, not a single problem. Only problem I have with BVAC is that they took weeks to ship my ammo and their shipping charge is a bit much. I have switched to sgammo.com They carry name brands at good prices and they are up front with the shipping charge. Got my order within a week.

rellascout
January 12, 2012, 10:29 PM
Dans ammo sells Fiocchi 124gr for $219 plus shipping for 1000 rounds.

Tcruse
January 13, 2012, 09:01 PM
USA Ammo is selling 124g FMJ for $10 a box. It is Aquilla loaded to NATO specs is the best that I can tell. They also have discounts for 250, 500, and 1000 round boxes. Cabelas has S&B on sale fairly regularly for $9.75 a box and no shipping. CTD had at one point Percision Ammo (Steel case, zinc plated) that was some of the best that I have run across for $8.45 a box. They have been sold out recently, so probably a surplus purchase that may or may not show up again. So, locally you would need to purchase more than 1000 rounds to break even when you consider shipping costs.

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