Powder for both .45 and 9mm rec?


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CMV
December 19, 2011, 03:00 PM
What would be a good powder to use for both .45 acp and 9x19? Maybe the 'best' for one is only marginal in the other so I'm looking for something that will perform well in both even though there might be something better for one.

Preferably not Hodgdon brand. Nothing against it but less chance of screwing something up if the containers for pistol and rifle powder are as dissimilar as possible.

FMJ 115 gr for 9mm and 230 gr for .45 probably if that makes a difference.

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bds
December 19, 2011, 04:07 PM
What would be a good powder to use for both .45 acp and 9x19?

Preferably not Hodgdon brand.
Not a problem. How about Winchester 231? It's same exact powder Hodgdon puts in the HP-38 container for less. ;)

FMJ 115 gr for 9mm and 230 gr for .45
My reference loads for 9mm and 45ACP that fed/chambered well in most pistols with good accuracy:

9mm 115 gr FMJ - 4.8 gr W231 at 1.125"-1.135" OAL (.375" taper crimp)
45ACP 230 gr FMJ - 5.0 gr W231 at 1.250"-1.260" OAL (.470"-.471" taper crimp depending on the barrel chamber)

I have used Alliant Bullseye in both 9mm and 45ACP with good accuracy but it produced snappier recoil in 9mm and burned not as clean as W231.

zxcvbob
December 19, 2011, 04:12 PM
Bullseye. Or Promo for cheap and accurate target loads.
AA#5 looks really good on paper, but I haven't tried it.

bds
December 19, 2011, 04:24 PM
+1 for Promo. As Alliant indicates on their website (http://www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/promo.aspx), I use Red Dot load data by weight and reference the 2004 Alliant load data (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=2004%20alliant%20load%20data&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fglarp.atk.com%2F2004%2F2004Catalogs%2F2004AlliantPowderSM.pdf&ei=UJ3vTvftAYSoiAKZ18S1BA&usg=AFQjCNHnWLp5LTU0YIrdLKjtAjtiKft_jg&cad=rja).

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=155047&stc=1&d=1324326409

Walkalong
December 19, 2011, 04:29 PM
AA #2, AA #5

Bullseye, Unique

Zip, True Blue

N330, N340

Among others

I used either W-231 & AA #5, depending on power level, in both for years.

k4swb
December 19, 2011, 04:37 PM
Winchester WSF. Excellent powder and clean burning. I use WST but load data for that in 9mm may be iffy.

Striker Fired
December 19, 2011, 05:12 PM
WSF again,AA#5,Win 231,Power Pistol,N320,N330,N340 to name a few again.Sillhouette if you use stronger loads.

rcmodel
December 19, 2011, 05:15 PM
Unique is all I use for both.
And almost every other handgun caliber I load.

It's fine in .45 ACP, and more finer in high pressure calibers like the 9mm.

Thats why it is so "Unique".

rc

RevolverDan
December 19, 2011, 05:20 PM
+1 for AA #2. Haven't used it in 9mm (cause I don't own one) but it's my go to for .45 ACP, .38 Spl, and .45 LC.

Shmackey
December 19, 2011, 05:36 PM
Winchester WSF. Excellent powder and clean burning. I use WST but load data for that in 9mm may be iffy.

I've got my own WST load data for 9mm. I decided to work up loads with it because it's such a good powder. It's now my go-to powder for both .45ACP and 9mm, just like the OP wants. :)

231 will also do the trick, but WST is cleaner and I would say a touch more accurate.

pandc
December 19, 2011, 05:40 PM
I use AA 7 for both....works well

RustyFN
December 19, 2011, 06:26 PM
I've got my own WST load data for 9mm. I decided to work up loads with it because it's such a good powder. It's now my go-to powder for both .45ACP and 9mm, just like the OP wants.

I also use WST on 45 auto and 9mm. I have seen load data for WST and 9mm in the new Hornady manual. Other than that I haven't seen much.

Scimmia
December 19, 2011, 06:30 PM
Unique is all I use for both.
And almost every other handgun caliber I load.

It's fine in .45 ACP, and more finer in high pressure calibers like the 9mm.

Thats why it is so "Unique".

rc
+1 I use Unique for most of my "normal" pistol loads, including 45 ACP and 9mm.

32dgrz
December 19, 2011, 07:17 PM
WSF is good
I load WST for 9 (124FMJ) and for 45 (230FMJ)

Cherokee
December 19, 2011, 07:53 PM
231 is my choice (HP38) followed by WST. There are others that will work in both, those are my choices.

CZ57
December 19, 2011, 07:53 PM
Check out www.ramshot.com and look at data for ZIP and Silhouette. If you want full velocity Silhouette will get it done in 9mm and in .45 ACP I use it with jacketed bullets to get factory load velocity or better. ;)

RandyP
December 19, 2011, 08:09 PM
Lots of good choices, I use only one powder for the 4 calibers I reload - Win 231/HP-38. Keeps my powder inventory simple and eliminates the possibility of grabbing the wrong powder for a given caliber.

k4swb
December 19, 2011, 09:32 PM
I've got my own WST load data for 9mm. I decided to work up loads with it because it's such a good powder. It's now my go-to powder for both .45ACP and 9mm, just like the OP wants. I started using WSL when it first came out and had to figure out the data on my own. When it was discontinued I switched to WST and had to do most of that again. There is more WST data now but still not much. I use it in .44 mag, 9mm, 38/.357 mag and .45 ACP.

A really pleasant powder to use and the cleanest burning powder I've ever used. They will probably discontinue it now.

jfrey
December 19, 2011, 09:37 PM
WSF or Unique- they both are great in either caliber.

Walkalong
December 19, 2011, 09:39 PM
look at data for ZIP and Silhouette

Zip seems to be a "kissing cousin (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6325632&postcount=20)" to W-231, both in looks and performance.

Same goes for Competition and WST. The very little difference in performance in my load tests could be no more than lot differences.

I just finally bought some Silhouette, and have only tried one thing with it.

JDGray
December 19, 2011, 10:00 PM
I like Power Pistol for both 9mm and 45acp, same powder and charge to keep it simple!:D

One78Shovel
December 20, 2011, 12:25 AM
Universal Clays

-178S

Bmac1949
December 20, 2011, 01:04 AM
Bullseye in my .45 and my 9X18. All I've used in the Mak is Bullseye so I don't have anything to compare it with. It works well and I have plenty of powder so I'll leave it there for awhile. The only other powder I've used in the .45 is Blue Dot and I couldn't get it to shoot as well as Bullseye.

Metal Tiger
December 20, 2011, 02:49 AM
Have used Bullseye and Unique in target loads for 45 ACP but not have to get some WST to compare with the 231 I picked up last week.
Great post answers thanks

Bovice
December 20, 2011, 05:40 AM
Hodgdon Universal

leadchucker
December 20, 2011, 10:51 AM
I load 45acp, 9mm luger, and 380acp, and I only have one powder on the shelf.

W231.

Miata Mike
December 20, 2011, 12:36 PM
Bullseye or Unique. Might have to try WST in 9mm as I love it with 200 grain LSWC in my .45acp.

blarby
December 20, 2011, 01:03 PM
So many uses for Unique. :)

777TRUTH
December 20, 2011, 01:31 PM
I use Bullseye in both. I also have Power Pistol but never tried it in .45.

swmp9jrm
December 20, 2011, 08:16 PM
I load both 9mm and .45ACP with IMR 700X - and I can use it for my 12ga as well.

Damon555
December 21, 2011, 01:34 AM
I only own 2 powders for handguns......H110 for the magnum stuff and Unique for everything else.

No sense in making it more complicated than it needs to be.

ArchAngelCD
December 21, 2011, 01:46 AM
I use mostly W231 for both as well as most other handgun calibers. If you would rather use an Accurate Arms powder I have used AA#5 and it also works well.

(gota love the guys suggesting Hodgdon Universal when the OP specifically asked for powders other than those with a Hodgdon label)

Blue68f100
December 21, 2011, 10:33 AM
If you want to use a Ball Powder either the WST or WSF is a good choice. The WST is the cleanest powder you will ever use on 45acp. The problem is that there is not a lot of load data on it. The Load Data Books for specific calibers have it listed. Now if you load shotgun the WST is used for 12 ga and the WSF is 20 ga powder. I have been using this powder for shotguns since the 70's. But back then it had a different name 540 (20ga), 452AA (12 ga). Both of these are a fine ball powder and flow easily and are high bulk. Meaning a double charge will over fill the case. The flake powders can be a BIG problem if your use a AP press. With large flake powder you normally have to do triple taps to settle the powder between dumps to get a consistent charge.

231 is another powder that pretty good too. Just remember most powders have an optimum charge for a clean burn, too low and they are sooty. The idea of using one powder is not a good choice in most cases. But this combo is one of the few that's work pretty good.

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