FN Five-Seven


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Col Kurtz
February 4, 2004, 01:01 PM
Has anyone had the opportunity to shoot the FN57 yet.
I was told they shoot like a target .22, no recoil.
Polymer "Slide" & "Frame" steel barrel & locking block.
Just looking for opinions here, looking to buy one.

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400CB1911
February 4, 2004, 03:12 PM
it is my understanding that the 5-7 is only avail. to leo & military. has this changed? or are you outside of the US?
i'd like to have one too, but never expected to ever see one for US civilan market

Zundfolge
February 4, 2004, 03:13 PM
There have been a couple of threads here on them (click the search button up in the top right part of the window).

Its my understanding that the trigger sucks.


I still think they should make a .22 version of this gun and that it would sell like hotcakes!


it is my understanding that the 5-7 is only avail. to leo & military. has this changed?
The gun is legal for you to own ... its the AP ammo thats illegal. There is someone (I think its Winchester) thats making a non AP version of the round for civilian use.

Frankly I think the gun is seriously overpriced (I've heard prices up to $3K)

DougCxx
February 4, 2004, 03:42 PM
.... I still think they should make a .22 version of this gun and that it would sell like hotcakes! ...
-Yes, as long as they don't resort to making it out of zinc, like another "tactical-looking" 22LR pistol.....
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- I think a 17HMR version would be sweet: spitzer bullets feed better, little bullets shoot flatter, and the muzzle flash would get rid of all that annoying hair growing on the back of your fingers and hand.....
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keederdag
February 4, 2004, 05:01 PM
I saw two in a Gun Shop yesterday and was told by the owner that they were LEO restricted. Funny thing was, he has standard fmj ammo and the mag's they came with were only ten shot cap. I asked him about this and he told me it didnt matter they were LEO restricted gun's. He was a bit buisy with real customers so I didnt push it; but I know he is the owner and also a class III dealer with a larg stock of class III stuff. In other words, he's not an idiot, or just some uninformed clerk. The Place is Big Bore Firearms in PHX AZ. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say they are restriced. Why? I have no clue...FN must really like us typical Joe shooter types I guess????????

I saw two for sale at least a year ago at a local Gun show, no restrictions+ hi-cap mags:what: Guy wanted $4,000 a piece for them. If you had cash and were seriouse he would let you pick them up....I wasnt/I didnt. So I could not tell you if they were LEO restricted mag's or what. He had no ammo. I'm still puzzled over that. Just as I'm puzzeld over why the ones I saw yesterday were resrtricted?????????????:banghead:

mrapathy2000
February 4, 2004, 06:24 PM
The FN Five Seven is LEO and Military sales only. It's ability to
punch through body armor has won it that designation from the ATF.

five seven fn mfg (http://www.fnmfg.com/products/fivesevn/fivesevn.htm)

big red letters at the bottom.

you will notice the p90 uses the same round if you do some looking around.

FN herstal's website blows. can you say IE only.

I cannot say I blame them for keeping it leo and military only. just hope its concealed when carried. one ugly gun.

I have read the trigger is not that good either. good luck finding ammo btw think the ammo is restricted from import as well.

Beav
February 4, 2004, 06:42 PM
There is a legal civilian version;

http://www.impactguns.com/store/fn.html

liliysdad
February 4, 2004, 06:44 PM
This is untrue. I , in person, saw two at the last local gunshow, for sale to anyone, with the Winchester SP ammo. I was told that it is FNs stance to sell to LE and Military only, but there are no laws restricting its sale to civilians, FN just wont do it directly.


EDIT:...Not you Beav, the guy above you...

WonderNine
February 4, 2004, 06:46 PM
I don't know why, but I'd like to own one someday!

With 20 round mags of course, post-AWB.

Denmark116
February 4, 2004, 07:06 PM
http://www.gunshopinc.com/Gun%20Links.htm

Above is the link to my local dealer....

They are selling the FN five-seven :

New Item
FN
Five-Seven IOM
5.7 x 28mm
Price $795.00

I went in and saw it, butt ugly but they would have let me buy it....

They have other FN's on the webpage too...

www.gunshopinc.com

Standing Wolf
February 4, 2004, 07:12 PM
Yeah, but it's ugly.

Holden
February 4, 2004, 10:46 PM
they are for sale to anyone - held one today and could have taken it home for $895. bought a sig p239 instead.:)

Wildalaska
February 4, 2004, 11:38 PM
If ya can get one for $795 buy it and I will take it off your hands since thats below distrib cost...

I have 6 in stock right now...but can always use more as two are leaving tommorrow...

WildandtheyarefunnylookinpistolsAlaska

Col Kurtz
February 5, 2004, 12:49 AM
Thanks To All

"I Know" they come in single, double, or full auto. They are available to the civilian market. Gunbroker.com has several. The best price I found was $750.00 w two 20rd LE mags. My dealer likes me.
Ammo is $20.00 per 50 rds, which are considered Training rounds
The restrictions are on the AP rds, 20rd mags & full auto option.

I wanted to hear from anyone that may have shot one. Im looking for a range report.

nvrquit
February 5, 2004, 08:30 AM
It's an interesting round design. There is an alternative though, should you wish to persue such. That being the .223 Timbs used from a CZ52.

If the desire is to be able to defeat a threat(read, vest wearing perp of your choice) that is encased in a soft ballistic protection enclosure(no plates), then the standard 7.62x25mm round can do the job. The .223 Timbs just adds that little bit extra "uniqueness" to the mix.

There's some info out there on this combo and a CZ52 is a LOT cheaper than a FN Five-Seven.

Then again, the 5.7 Johnson can do basically the same as the FN round, esp. if judiciously loaded with readily available components. The cost of this "option" would be in coming up with a pistol/carbine combo for the somewhat longer OAL of the round(5.7 Johnson).

Some nice what-ifs though!

Tamara
February 5, 2004, 09:32 AM
Just what I always wanted: a butt-ugly, plastic pistol that fires ten shots of .22 Mag-like softpoints.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to find a Grendel P-30 and only put ten rounds in the mag? :uhoh:

:D

La Pistoletta
February 5, 2004, 03:14 PM
What are you all yadding about, it's beautiful. :p

nvrquit
February 5, 2004, 08:56 PM
But Tam, did they ever get the P-30 to be consistent enough to work with even a post-AWB 10 rnd. limit?

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
February 5, 2004, 10:24 PM
As much as I love FN stuff there's just something about it that makes it look like the love child of a Savage M1917 and a Rubbermaid Sandwich Saver.

Regards,
Rabbit.

horge
February 6, 2004, 01:05 AM
I confess to thinking that...

if it isn't packing the 5.7mm AP, then what's the point?
The pistol was only made as a sidearm platform for the round, to complement the P90, no?

:)

Benjamin
February 6, 2004, 01:11 AM
Wildalaska -- Davidsons' has them for US$ 773.14 for dealers, for IOM.

But they're out of stock today.

artherd
February 6, 2004, 07:36 AM
Shrug, I think it's beautiful in it's own right, but I like Glocks, ARs, and synthetic-stocked bolt rifles. Don't much go in for the whole 'blued and walnut' thing, though it has it's place. (kinda just says "wow, look at me, I rust and swell easially")

Anyway, I've called FN about this.

FN's policy, which they ask (but aparently don't strictly enforce) their dealers to follow is the following:

"We will only sell the FiveSeven IOM, with 10 round mags, to Peace Officers that make the request on department letterhead."

Note however that there is absolutely NO BATF restrictions on the pistol itself. Of any itteration ('military' DAO, the Single-action 'tactical' model, and the IOM model with serrated tac rail.)

And also note that Winchester and FN both offer a hollowpoint 'training' round that has been ruled 'sporting' by the BATF, and legal for civilian sale. Infact, I have a box (just to see if it would come to CA.) Note also that this '22' round carries ~340lb/ft of muzzle energy, is moving 2100fps, and will still defeat IIa body armor, despite it's 'non-AP' design.

Lastly, with 10-round magazines, the pistol is actually useable. Since the design is new, there are no pre-94 standard-cap 20 rounders, so BE-WARE! (hopefully come September this will mean absolutely buttkiss)



I can't get one, because the PRK has a cute little 'list of approved drop-tested handguns' that they insist I buy exclusively for new sales.

My only option is to find a kind soul who already has one, has MOVED into the state, and then wishes to sell to me via Private Party Transfer. Needless to say, I haven't found that guy yet.

La Pistoletta
February 6, 2004, 08:18 AM
Bureaucracy...do you laugh or do you cry?

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