CCI Stingers VS Blazer


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Clayne_b
December 21, 2011, 12:29 AM
I thought some of you might find this interesting.

I went shooting today and i was shooting at 500 yards, ammo used was

CCI Stingers, 32gr 1640fps
Blazers, 40gr 1235fps

At 500 yards the point of aim was the same to hit the target.

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rmocarsky
December 21, 2011, 12:41 AM
500 yards?

Rmocarsky

Clayne_b
December 21, 2011, 12:53 AM
Yes sir

Dmitri Popov
December 21, 2011, 01:53 AM
What was the drop?

Clayne_b
December 21, 2011, 01:55 AM
I figure around 29 feet.

gamestalker
December 21, 2011, 03:02 PM
I've always liked the Stinger's myself. I've done a good deal of coyote hunting with them at extended distances with really good results.

idcurrie
December 21, 2011, 04:52 PM
That's completely impossible.

baylorattorney
December 21, 2011, 05:03 PM
I find that incredible as in not credible.


Waste not want not. :)

baylorattorney
December 21, 2011, 05:08 PM
Shooting straight down from a hot air balloon?


Waste not want not. :)

Clayne_b
December 21, 2011, 05:11 PM
I don't care if you believe me or not but here are a few videos of me shooting at 500 yards.

turn your volume up and you can hear the hits


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX4pLnt_9zg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMFPS4r0sZE

OARNGESI
December 21, 2011, 05:24 PM
nice your a better shot than me

baylorattorney
December 21, 2011, 05:29 PM
Cool. Thanks for the video. So you were shooting from an uphill to downhill position and the drop in elevation factored out the drop of bullet? I Thot it might be something along those lines. I wouldn't call u a liar.


Waste not want not. :)

tlatoani
December 21, 2011, 05:36 PM
I love it when the camera zooms out at the end. That just seems crazy.

Clayne_b
December 21, 2011, 05:46 PM
Yeah its a long ways lol, its cool how long it takes to hear it hit, there is time to cycle the bolt and get back on target. I was doing double taps with my ruger 10 22. bang bang................DING DING. Lots of fun. I sold the ruger today so sadly no videos of that. next time i have a friend out to the spot and they have a semi auto i will see if i can do it and get it on video

Float Pilot
December 21, 2011, 06:34 PM
A 40 grain .22 bullet fired at 1,200 fps is still going between 690 to 780 fps (depending on BC) at 500 yards.
If the rifle was zeroed at 50 yards, the drop at 500 yards is 33 ft. And a 1.8 to 1.6 second flight time.

I timed the visual impact from one of his misses compared to the muzzle report sound. The timing is correct for a 500 yard shot. It is almost 4 seconds from his shot until the sound of the gong impact returns to the microphone. Once again correct for a 500 yard shot.
That is some fine shooting.

There was a certain time in my childhood when commercial fisherman would pay a bounty on Seal noses. Plus the pelts were worth quite a bit on the gray market. Thus I know that long range head shots (150-200 yards) can indeed be taken with a good 22 LR rifle.

Clayne_b
December 21, 2011, 06:40 PM
I have not used ballistic programs on the .22lr yet, when i settle on a load that i like i will chrono it and come up with some drop charts to know exactly what drop it is. I came up with 29 feet with how much i adjust on my scope and how much i hold over. I very well could be wrong with what i have come up with,

BTW that is with a 50 yard zero on my top mill dot

Tempest 455
December 21, 2011, 06:45 PM
Would not have guessed they are the same. I have seen your shooting and am impressed.

FWIW, I tried a bunch of various ammon in my sons Marlin 60. By far the most accurate was the Stingers. I was surprised it was more accurate than heavier grain target ammo.

Float Pilot
December 21, 2011, 06:46 PM
Another 40 fps of muzzle velocity would explain that.
Plus shooting down-hill reduces the level distance traveled as compared to the trajectory arc.

Clayne_b
December 21, 2011, 07:03 PM
If anything it is a slight up hill shot

Clayne_b
December 21, 2011, 07:05 PM
I plan on getting a level bubble that attaches to the scope for rifle cant and a Angle Degree Indicator.

2sigs
December 21, 2011, 07:21 PM
WOW!!! What more can one say?!

I am surprised also the 32 vs. 40gr. impact is that close

It would be very interesting to be able or should I say Have the Ability to be steady enough using same POA and see the "Exact" Point of impact between a few weights and varieties of .22L.R. at that distance.

I remember seeing the ads for Shephard scopes 20+ yrs ago claiming P. Dog hits @500yds. w the much underestimated 22LR cartridge

Thanks for sharing and Good Shootin Pard

Be Safe
-Mike

idcurrie
December 21, 2011, 07:33 PM
If it is a slight uphill shot then how on earth could a 32gr projectile traveling at 1640fps have the same point of impact as a 40gr projectile traveling at 1236fps.

I'm not calling you a liar. I just don't see how that's at all possible. By any ballistics program (and common sense) it's impossible.

A 25% heavier bullet going 75% of the speed cannot have the same POI at 500 yards.

Float Pilot
December 21, 2011, 07:53 PM
Some things to think about.

1. The 32 grain bullet is the same diameter but lighter. Less sectional density and possibly a much worse Ballistic Coefficient. Thus over a long distance the lighter bullet will slow down at a more rapid rate.

2. While not really noticeable, any small differences in recoil or even barrel time, could possibly mean that the muzzle was a tiny bit higher when the heavier bullets left the barrel.
(Why my 280 grain 350 Rem mags loads impact at the same place at 100 yards as the much faster 200 grain loads.)

3. This is a gong target and it is not like he is shooting paper target groups and comparing the distance between them. So there may indeed be a difference in impact points which is going unnoticed.


I plan on getting a level bubble that attaches to the scope for rifle cant and a Angle Degree Indicator.
Uphill or downhill,, the bullet only cares about the horizontal distance as far as the trajectory arc is concerned. Although you are stretching things with a 22LR.

Al Thompson
December 21, 2011, 08:25 PM
Guy at my club could consistently hit a 24 inch gong at 200 yards - with a .22LR handgun. ;)

He was zero'ed at 200y. :cool:

Walkalong
December 24, 2011, 10:21 AM
I shoot clay pigeons on the 100 yard berm with .22 handguns. (No, I do not hit them every time, just real regular on a good day) A 24" gong at 200 is a big target. I have a 12" square metal target. I simply must try it at 200 and 300 yards soon. I'll try my Tactical Solutions upper as well. Might even pick up some Stingers or Yellow Jackets as well. 300 is a long way...... I have played with pistols at 300, but it is very, very difficult to hit anything small offhand. Heck, anything big either.

helotaxi
December 24, 2011, 11:07 AM
If anything it is a slight up hill shot
Uphill or downhill, the horizontal distance is what determines the drop.

helotaxi
December 24, 2011, 11:17 AM
A 25% heavier bullet going 75% of the speed cannot have the same POI at 500 yards.
Weight is totally irrelevant to the argument. BC and velocity alone determine the trajectory. It's a pretty simple matter to find totally different bullets fired at totally different velocities that have two zero nodes in common, especially if you're judgnig only by hitting a gong and not on paper. Beyond that point I would speculate (though it is a very educated guess) that the heavier bullet will have the trajectory advantage.

The thing that is really impressive and that makes shooting a .22lr at range difficult is judging the wind. The bullets are flying bricks from a BC standpoint and moving relatively slowly. Those two factors combine for a very wind sensitive projectile. I've hit a 20oz soda bottle at a lasered 400yds with a 10/22 with a lot of trial and a whole lot of error. Using a rough holdover and a bit of Kentucky Windage I was consistently in the area and could see the bullets arc in through the scope. It was simply a matter of getting lucky hitting the bottle at that range because even though the height of the bottle was within the vertical dispersion of the bullets from MV variances, the wind was all over the place so I was missing by several feet left and right with the same hold.

jpwilly
December 24, 2011, 11:19 AM
Nice Shooting! Looks like A LOT OF FUN!

Anyone else still chuckling about the attorney's comments? I like how Clayne played his star witness after the attorney had a chance to pop off! LOL

baylorattorney
December 24, 2011, 04:28 PM
Nice Shooting! Looks like A LOT OF FUN!

Anyone else still chuckling about the attorney's comments? I like how Clayne played his star witness after the attorney had a chance to pop off! LOL

It was just my way of getting the video out of the kid quickly for us to enjoy his talent and reminisce....


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