Svt 40


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dak0ta
December 21, 2011, 02:19 AM
Hi,

What do you guys know about this rifle? I can get them for $300 where I live and they are arsenal refurbished. I have a Mosin 91/30, how should accuracy be? Are these usually as worn at Mosins? How is reliability and accuracy? I know the op mech was used in the FN FAL which was a good design.

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C'Thulhu
December 21, 2011, 02:21 AM
Oh how there are times I wish I too was Canadian. Buy it and show it off to your American friends who have to pay at least 2x as much.

dak0ta
December 21, 2011, 02:26 AM
But the mag is neutered to 5 rounds :( Good thing is if the law is someday removed, at least the SVT40 mag is removable and a 10 rounder can be put in, or just dremel out the pin.

leadchucker
December 21, 2011, 09:32 AM
If you're looking to buy one of those things, check the gas system out pretty carefully. Lots of years of salt from corrosive primers can take a toll there.

fpgt72
December 21, 2011, 10:27 AM
I love mine, I think that if you like WWII history and soviet weapons it is a no brainer.

In my rifle I only shoot modern ammo in it....never surplus stuff...and light ball ammo as well under 150gr.

Parts are just too hard to come by to take the chance.

Start with the gas system on the lowest setting and work up from there...when you get no FTE then you got it it right.

Super fun rifles.

fpgt72
December 21, 2011, 12:36 PM
My bet is Canada.

The SVT never caught on for a couple of reasons, not the least of them being the rank and file soviet solider was not that well trained. Keeping a 91/30 running is pretty darn easy, keeping the SVT going is something very different. You can say that in the hands of well trained troops that know how to read it was very popular, German and Finnish troops loved the rifle.

dak0ta
December 21, 2011, 01:56 PM
Did the Germans and Finns modify the rifle or just shoot them stock after capture? And did they have any reliability problems with them?

What exactly in the gas system should one be looking for in terms of wear?

And in terms of fluted chamber, does it destroy the brass?

What is the battle zero for these rifles? 100 or 300 m?

I have an offer from a guy for $265: I have one in my safe, with sniper rail (Tula, 1941)and correct muzzleflash. Very good shooter grade (a couple of very little repairs on the stock). Steel in very good to excellent condition, shiny and excellent bore. Exactly 40 rounds (S&B commercial ammo) threw it since refurb process. Works perfectly and pretty accurate rifle at 100 meters. Cleaned carefully and heavily oiled. I just don't use it and prefer my Mosin rifles.

I'll send pics once I receive them and let you guys oogle and help me decide :)

fpgt72
December 21, 2011, 02:13 PM
I am by no means an expert...but I did stay at a holiday in express once :)

From what I have read they used the rifles as captured, the germans even issued manuals on the care of the rifles in german. Captured weapons and ammo was quite common and with these rifles they stayed in the front line, the 91/30 for the most part went back into rear units and home guard units. The german self loading rifles just could not get off the ground G43 and such just had too many problems.

As to wear, I would look at the general shape of the rifle as a whole, if the rest of it looks good you are most likely ok...I doubt whoever is selling will let you pull the thing down....they are a bit of a pain to take down.

I have only been around three SVT's and they all left the brass in re loadable shape.

lencac
December 21, 2011, 02:34 PM
Be sure to check headspace as the tilting bolt in these type rifles can get out of spec. depending on how much use and what type of ammo has been used over the years. Be sure to clean the bore before you inspect it visually. How much throat erosion, pitting and how worn the lands are tell the story.
Don't expect much in the way of accuracy if using surplus ammo and decent accuracy (2-3 MOA) with quality ammo.

dak0ta
December 22, 2011, 02:23 AM
So what is the maximum grain bullet one should use in these guns?

And how do they compare to the M1 Garand, Gew 43, FN FAL, M1A in terms of accuracy and reliability?

How about compared to modern hunting rifles like the Remington, Benelli R1, Winchester, Browning etc.

fpgt72
December 22, 2011, 07:45 AM
I know people that shoot heavy ball surplus ammo in theirs with no problem, I have read about a guy that bent up the rec. pretty bad using heavy ball....I think it is one of those internet things where few had problems and it went crazy. I only shoot less then 150 out of my rifle...same loads as my PSL.....I know light ball is out there in surplus but it is just not worth it to me.

It has some things above the Garand, adjustable gas system, detachable 10 round mag (sorry canada), As to the G43...well it just worked better :)....the other rifles you talked about are post war designs and you can't really put them in the same group.

IMHO any quality sporting rifle is going to shoot rings around the SVT. This thing was made to hit a man sized target not give sub MOA groups at 100 yards.

Down here in the states a good ball park price on these things is $1000 +- here and there for a run of the mill rifle. You can buy a much better sporting rifle for that kind of money....and there is not much smarts in turning it into a sporter (I guess in Canada they did that years ago and made them fire 303 british but can't remember what they called them) After turning a SVT into a sporter it will still not out shoot a sporting rifle and you will be out your $1000 because you killed the value.

And if you want to know why I say they will never out shoot a modern sporting rifle check out this video under the pics.

All this talk and not one pic of a SVT so here is mine. With the bear shot.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c58/cherokee_140/DSCN2445.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c58/cherokee_140/IMG_8677.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBQ5WK9sop8

dak0ta
December 22, 2011, 12:03 PM
We also have access to $450 Norinco M14's and we just got new shorty's with 18.5'' barrel. Word on the street is that they're okay, but will work well if you tweak them. So kind of buying a project gun. Lots of aftermarket Canadian industry producing new stainless op rods etc. for them.

Wow that video is interesting. Lots of flex in that rifle for sure. Hm.. makes me wonder if I should get one.

oldgold
December 22, 2011, 01:04 PM
Just a word to the wise, if you reload for it be sure to use military type hard primers.

An Svt-40 on full auto is no fun. Thank goodness I only loaded three rounds.

dak0ta
December 22, 2011, 03:26 PM
Compared to the SKS, how does the SVT 40 fair? I think the SKS is more reliable, built tougher, and cycles anything through it? How about accuracy at 100 yards?

dak0ta
December 22, 2011, 04:34 PM
After watching that video about the receiver flexing, it seems like the SVT40 wasn't built tough enough to handle the 7.62x54r round after 1000s of rounds. It looks like it's going to wiggle itself loose!

On the other hand, the SKS is a scaled down version of the PTRS (sp?) which was an anti-tank rifle. So it's overbuilt for the 7.62x39 round. But since it uses the same tilting block lock up, and short stroke gas piston, howcome its accuracy suffers? Is it the rifle that's inaccurate or the 7.62x39 round compared to 7.62x54r?

Vaarok
December 22, 2011, 06:39 PM
Never watch an AK in slow-mo then. They look like a jello cube. It's the barrel that matters anyway.

My two SVT-40s are very reliable, fairly accurate (one moreso than the other) and a joy to shoot with either light or heavy ball- though they absolutely love bxn63 headstamp Czech ammo.

Get the gas nut adjustment tool, though, else you're in for an annoying time trying to adjust things with a wrong shaped tool or pliers.

wildchild2010
December 22, 2011, 11:58 PM
Do some research on the 91/30 where people are putting new Finnish M-39 barrels on there guns and making them tack drivers. Save your money.

fpgt72
December 23, 2011, 11:39 AM
Don't let that video shy you away...they are great rifles, and have fantastic history...they are just not the best sniper rifle. There is a reason they stopped putting rails on them around 1942 or so. The good ole 91/30 was a more stable platform for long range sniping.

Get the SVT they are fantastic fun to shoot and will do MOW (minute of watermelon) all day. I also find them not too hard to take down after you get the hang of it.

Bohemus
December 23, 2011, 07:24 PM
I quite like the svt-40 - compared to Dragunov and M1 Garand. Surprisingly soft recoil and quite accurate - from what i know they were used upto 800m by snipers.
Only issue i have with them is the field strip and especially the reassembly - quite tricky if you are used to guns like vz.58.
Wrong disassembly leads to such (harmless) accidents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys-4N41boxM

fpgt72
December 23, 2011, 09:16 PM
I am far from wealthy enough to own an SVD, but I do own a PSL and I find them both enjoyable in their own way. I think that the PSL is a better rifle....heck it should be it was made 40 years later. That takes nothing away from the SVT they are so much fun to shoot, have mild recoil...Like a Garand, they are just differend...at least they are in the states....every dog in the joint has a M1, when you open up the case and there is a M1 eh seen one...open up the case and you have a SVT or G43 that is something different.

Bohemus I would love to see a pic of your SVD I would love to have one....or even a Tiger....but my sites are set on a G43 now and that is going to blow the firearm budget for next year.

Here is a pic of my PSL....I post these pics so you KNOW that I own the rifle and give you MY experence with MY one firearm.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c58/cherokee_140/IMG_6689.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c58/cherokee_140/IMG_8820.jpg

Vaarok
December 23, 2011, 10:08 PM
Having once owned a NDM-86, I gotta say the SVT is far better made. Not as beefy as it could/should be in places, but that'd make it too heavy, considering it was designed back in the wood-and-steel days.

fpgt72
December 24, 2011, 12:09 PM
Having once owned a NDM-86, I gotta say the SVT is far better made. Not as beefy as it could/should be in places, but that'd make it too heavy, considering it was designed back in the wood-and-steel days.
Those go for a pretty penny these days....I bet you regret selling that like I regret selling my 1966 mustang.

Vaarok
December 24, 2011, 07:18 PM
Absolutely not. I bought it two years ago, tinkered with it for about a month, and then flipped it for double what I was in it for, and thought good riddance.

They're rare. Doesn't mean they're good.

If they were imported like even Valmets, there wouldn't be this huge mystique about them. They're military soviet rifles. For every guy that says Mosins are crude and SKSes are junk and then faps to the thought of a DRAGANOF SNIPER RIFLE, I have to butt in and destroy their attempt to tie self esteem to brand recognition.

The SVD is to the SKS what the M1A is to the Mini-14. And no, not your SAGE EBR super-duper National Match Springfield Armory Deluxe Model. The big, ugly, heavy, minute-of-pieplate Vee-yet-nam era lucky-if-you-get-a-fiberglass-stock DMR rifle.

With worse ergonomics and mediocre fit-and-finish.

fpgt72
December 24, 2011, 08:59 PM
I look at each one as to what they are....and what they are for. That 66 mustang was a god awful car next to even a 80 mustang. Same if you are looking at a SVD vs something even like a remington 700....they you have to look at how the soviets and communist nations have an outlook things in general....remember the saying quanity has a quality of its own.

Personally I have not touched a soviet weapon that a western weapon was not better from the same time frame....that does not mean that I can not like them for what they are.

The M1 is better then the SVT in every way I can think of....and the most important way...spare parts. That does not mean that I do not enjoy my SVT greatly....same can be said for the SVT and the american sniper rifles of the same time frame....many of those you can buy at your local sporting goods store.

Enjoy military surplus stuff for what it is....and the history it gives you....If I just wanted great fit and finish I would only own a Glock and a 700

Harquebusier
December 30, 2011, 10:02 AM
Hi Guys,
This is my very first post here. Coincidentally, I bought SVT 40 last week. It is a 1941 Tula example in perfect condition. It seems it haven't seen much combat use (if any). Its iron doesn't have any signs of use. Blueing is prefect everywhere and bore and chamber look like the rifle was never shot. The wood shows only very little surface damage, perhaps from storage and handling, preservation agents, etc.. I decided to improve the wood finish slightly - sanding, staining and waxing.
Any recommendations how to do this job? I want to save all the stampings on the wood (and there is plenty of them...), of course.


http://jan.harque.sweb.cz/My_guns/P1050154a.JPG

fpgt72
December 30, 2011, 11:34 AM
Hi Guys,
This is my very first post here. Coincidentally, I bought SVT 40 last week. It is a 1941 Tula example in perfect condition. It seems it haven't seen much combat use (if any). Its iron doesn't have any signs of use. Blueing is prefect everywhere and bore and chamber look like the rifle was never shot. The wood shows only very little surface damage, perhaps from storage and handling, preservation agents, etc.. I decided to improve the wood finish slightly - sanding, staining and waxing.
Any recommendations how to do this job? I want to save all the stampings on the wood (and there is plenty of them...), of course.


http://jan.harque.sweb.cz/My_guns/P1050154a.JPG
Yes don't sand...don't stain if you want to keep the collector value of the rifle. Leave the wood as it. Looks like you have the SVT stock and not an AVT stock (little hard to tell in the pic) and looks like it has a plum bolt handle...again hard to tell. If the bolt handle is plumb it is a refirb. Nothing wrong with any of this....just what it is.

Everything I say is from a US standpoint....I don't know in europe but in the us this is a rifle that does not grow on trees. I usually tell people to not shoot surplus ammo in the rifles, and start with the gas system at the lowest setting and work up till the rifle feeds correctly.

They are great fun to shoot but you need to baby them a little parts (again in the US) are pretty hard to come by.

Rifle looks great....just give her wood some nice wax/oil whatever you like and go from there. They are an investment you can enjoy.

Harquebusier
December 30, 2011, 12:10 PM
Thanks for your opinion. Here in our country, SVTs aren't considered as very rare items. You can find them in many gunshops and their prices are reasonable - I paid 5000 crowns (about 250 USD) for mine*. They even sell spares, not cheap, but have them. I think I should be able to perform a wood finish job in a very careful way. The original finish is shellac and it was done after the war during refurbishment of rifles. So, it doesn't add much historical value. It can be easily removed with technical alcohol.

* Bayonet was extra - half of the price of the rifle! :eek:

Vaarok
December 30, 2011, 12:16 PM
The bayonet's worth twice what you paid for the rifle here in the US!

fpgt72
December 30, 2011, 12:47 PM
Pick yourself up a sling...it just adds to the entire package.

Harquebusier
January 2, 2012, 09:58 AM
This is how I progressed with the wood finish of my SVT40:

http://jan.harque.sweb.cz/My_guns/P1050206b.JPG
http://jan.harque.sweb.cz/My_guns/P1050204b.JPG

Bohemus
January 2, 2012, 10:28 AM
Nemůžu si pomoct, ale ten lesklý lak jim sluší víc.

C'Thulhu
January 2, 2012, 03:22 PM
I always find it interesting that I, as an American, will inevitably become jealous of a non-American with regards to guns. Oh how I wish I could join the SVT club.

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