Rifle in handgun caliber?


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Basmntdweller
December 21, 2011, 01:26 PM
New member, just joined primarily to look for help on a possible new rifle purchase. I am wanting a rifle with a little more behind it than my Ruger 10/22. My gun club only allows rifles in regular handgun calibers. I would like something to mostly target shoot at the 75-100 yd range for fun but have decent stopping power at that range. I know very little about what is available and worth spending a few bucks on. I know for that distance I will need a scope since my eyes aren't what they used to be. I don't want to spend a ton of cash either.
I was thinking in the under $500 range for the gun. Yeah, I know I'm cheap!
I am thinking I want fairly consistent 4" groups at 100 yds. I really don't know if this is a reasonable possibility. This is standing position, no other support.
I look to you guys for direction.

Thanks, Matt

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Speedgoat
December 21, 2011, 01:29 PM
I have a Winchester Model 92 (new production) in 45 Colt and it's a real slick rifle. A bit over your price range though. I'd look into a Italian repro. They also come in 44 and 357 I belive.

CaliCoastie
December 21, 2011, 01:33 PM
look around for used marlin, they range from the common 357/38, 44mag, 45lc to the more uncommon 44-40, and other cowboy rounds. i would definatly look for used and you should be able to come in under the 500 mark, if your lucky you can come in well under(just got an older used marlin 1894 in 357 for 300otd). good luck.

husker
December 21, 2011, 02:59 PM
In ACP/High point carbines
38-357,44s& 45 L Colt.A nice Henry lever action should not break the bank

brnmuenchow
December 21, 2011, 03:07 PM
Lever-action .45 Colt, .357 Mag., or .44 Mag. from Uberti or even Cimarron Firearms are nice.

nyc71
December 21, 2011, 03:09 PM
Earlier in the year I bought a Pair of Marlin 1894 38/357 & 44Mag. They are great rifles specially the 38/357. When I shoot 38spl they feel like a 22mag out of this rifle. Another one I enjoy shooting is the Rossi 45c. If you reload any of these calibers than your options becomes even greater.

Basmntdweller
December 21, 2011, 03:23 PM
I looked at a high point yesterday in local shop. It was 45ACP. I was tempted but his comment about a realistic accuracy range of about 75yds didn't leave me feeling too good about it. Also, I wasn't into the tactical look of it. I keep thinking something like a bolt action, scoped 30-30 or 30-06 looking gun chambered for a 45ACP or 44 magnum.
I may not be thinking realistically. That is why I am asking.


Matt

Rail Driver
December 21, 2011, 03:29 PM
It wouldn't take much more than $500 or 600 to build a 9mm AR15. . . Get a $120 complete lower from Surplus Ammo and Arms, and a used 9mm upper for around $400-500. There was an upper listed here in the trading post recently for a fair price, but I don't know if it's still available or not. I saw a complete 9mm AR15 on another forum sell recently for $585+ shipping.

I'd second the hi-point carbines as well, and I definitely recommend getting one in .45ACP if you do get one of those.

You may be able to find a Marlin Camp rifle for close to your price range, but you'd have to do some searching.

black_powder_Rob
December 21, 2011, 03:37 PM
What about something like this..... http://ruger.com/products/rotaryMagazine77357/models.html

I saw one for a little over 6 the other day in my LGS and they are usually high on their prices.

Basmntdweller
December 21, 2011, 03:43 PM
If I can hang a scope on that Ruger, that is exactly what I have had in mind. I'll jump over to Buds and check pricing on it.
Thanks, Matt

gscrasher
December 21, 2011, 06:48 PM
Your price limit is a tad low for new guns. But I will say a .357mag lever gun, either Winchester or Marlin, is a awful lot of fun. That Ruger bolt gun looks like fun too.

There is a big step up in power when going from 6" to 16" barrels.
See: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/357mag.html

Ghost Tracker
December 21, 2011, 06:53 PM
It's a just bit over budget, but Predator Tactical is making a pump-action carbine in .500 S&W Magnum. That'll wake 'em up at the range! After all, it IS a handgun caliber :evil:.

Basmntdweller
December 21, 2011, 07:45 PM
Sometimes my tendency to impulse buy gets me!
I stopped by my favorite dealer today after work. He had one of the Ruger K77s like black_powder_Rob linked to. It was exactly what I had in mind. I considered going with the 44 mag model of the same gun but talking with one of the other customers convinced me to stay with the 357 since it can shoot .38 specials as well and are noticeably cheaper to shoot. Also way cheaper than the 44 mags.
It cost me about $35 more than what it would have cost me at Buds after transfer fees. I was happy to pay that much to buy from my local dealer.
I'll go through a few boxes of .38s to break it in a bit and start looking for an appropriate scope.

Thanks for all the replies and recommendation bpb!

Range tomorrow:D

Several other sites I frequent always say pics or it didn't happen. I'll have to wait a while to post pics. I haven't told my wife yet and will probably wait until next month to tell her!

Matt

NG VI
December 21, 2011, 07:52 PM
It was 45ACP. I was tempted but his comment about a realistic accuracy range of about 75yds didn't leave me feeling too good about it. Also, I wasn't into the tactical look of it. I keep thinking something like a bolt action, scoped 30-30 or 30-06 looking gun chambered for a 45ACP or 44 magnum.


Why woould a bolt action .45 ACP have any better practical range than a semi .45 ACP carbine?

Basmntdweller
December 21, 2011, 08:28 PM
I don't know what he based his comment on. Maybe his experience with that gun or who knows what. I am not currently educated enough to know these things. I am learning though. That is also part of my reason for joining in here.

Matt

Strykervet
December 21, 2011, 08:41 PM
9mm or .45ACP Marlin Camp Rifle. Look for one of those, pistol calibres go farther than you think, especially with a rifle. Good for the distance you seek, but the 9mm would shoot flatter than the .45 by far.

Even better, if you can find it and I don't know what they go for now (but I'd like one, they are COOL) is the Ruger 10/44. Just like the 10/22 but in .44magnum.

A bolt action in a pistol calibre, a larger one like a .357, .41, or .44, will give you the most accuracy. Try searching for those parameters on Gunbroker and Guns America and see how many different ones come up. I bet there are a lot that are going unmentioned.

Another option might be a .17 Hornet or one of those super high velocity bottleneck rimfire rounds. They run 'em in pistols too. Inexpensive to shoot, comparatively anyway, and you get rifle ballistics. I bet you'll get the best performance accuracy-wise going this route for the money. Like a mini 5.56 at that range I bet.

kimbershot
December 21, 2011, 08:46 PM
costs more-but i like my tommy gun (semi:banghead:) but still a hoot to shoot. many say it's a waste and a pos but i reload and do a lot with 1911's so:neener:

NeuseRvrRat
December 21, 2011, 09:35 PM
i think i'd have to find me a new range ;)

T.R.
December 21, 2011, 10:32 PM
Ruger model 96 went out of production in 2009. They're very accurate but stocks are plain Jane. I own one in 44 MAG.

TR

kludge
December 21, 2011, 11:12 PM
New member, just joined primarily to look for help on a possible new rifle purchase. I am wanting a rifle with a little more behind it than my Ruger 10/22. My gun club only allows rifles in regular handgun calibers. I would like something to mostly target shoot at the 75-100 yd range for fun but have decent stopping power at that range. I know very little about what is available and worth spending a few bucks on. I know for that distance I will need a scope since my eyes aren't what they used to be. I don't want to spend a ton of cash either.
I was thinking in the under $500 range for the gun. Yeah, I know I'm cheap!
I am thinking I want fairly consistent 4" groups at 100 yds. I really don't know if this is a reasonable possibility. This is standing position, no other support.
I look to you guys for direction.

Thanks, Matt

1) Join DCC instead of MCF&G. Then you can shoot any rifle you want. (almost) :)
2) Will you be deer hunting with your new rifle?

My preference, if you are a reloader is .45 Colt. If not .44 Mag. For maximum economy, especially if you reload, .357 Magnum.

My favorite would be a Winchester Trapper 16"... but probably not for $500 Maybe a Puma 92.

Chris-bob
December 22, 2011, 12:23 AM
I have a Hi - Point carbine in 9mm and can consistently shoot groups at 100yards that can be covered with a silver dollar using open sights and a lead sled. Bought the carbine many years ago for $60 at a pawn shop and have never had any problems with it feeding or cycling. Much better results at 50 yards.

dprice3844444
December 22, 2011, 12:30 AM
got an 1895 marlin 16.5 shorty in 45/70 with matching magnum reaserch bfr 45/70.

Chris-bob
December 22, 2011, 12:36 AM
I have always wanted a carbine in .44 mag...I would definitely use that as an excuse to get one.

nyc71
December 22, 2011, 03:04 AM
It wouldn't take much more than $500 or 600 to build a 9mm AR15. . . Get a $120 complete lower from Surplus Ammo and Arms, and a used 9mm upper for around $400-500. There was an upper listed here in the trading post recently for a fair price, but I don't know if it's still available or not. I saw a complete 9mm AR15 on another forum sell recently for $585+ shipping.

I'd second the hi-point carbines as well, and I definitely recommend getting one in .45ACP if you do get one of those.

You may be able to find a Marlin Camp rifle for close to your price range, but you'd have to do some searching.

Your overall price of this built you're proposing can be misleading. 9mm uppers are not that cheap plus you forgot to include the magwell which are not cheap.


"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"- Benjamin Franklin

black_powder_Rob
December 22, 2011, 03:55 AM
@ Basmntdweller
Glade I could be of some help. I have been contemplating one now in 357 for about 3 months and read up on them at many different sites. they all had good things to say.
I look forward to hearing your reviews and seeing the pics:D

bluetopper
December 22, 2011, 05:03 AM
Don't forget the Handi-Rifles also, they're available in 357, 44 Mag, & 500 S&W.

Basmntdweller
December 22, 2011, 07:07 PM
I ran a box of 38 specials through the K77 today. It does everything I could ask of it with open sights. I am very happy with it so far with one exception. I had some feed issues a couple times. Not sure what was causing it but the base of the next shell in the mag would get hung on the second shell down in the mag. It may have been me shoving the shells in too far when reloading the mag but not sure. My magazine holds 5 shells plus one in the chamber if needed.
I will pick up a box of .357s tomorrow and see how they do.
I want to thank bpb for an excellent recommendation! Now to find a scope for it!

Matt

osteodoc08
December 22, 2011, 08:04 PM
Placed a used Marlin 1894 Cowboy Limited in 45 colt on layaway at my local fun store. Can't wait to pick it up. My father also has one in 45 colt and 357 mag. Still looking for an elusive 41mag lever gun. Everytime I see one for sale here, I'm too late and the gunbroker prices are just too expensive. They always seem to sell for 800-850+ depending on condition. Gotta pay to play though.

Constrictor
December 23, 2011, 12:14 AM
New member, just joined primarily to look for help on a possible new rifle purchase. I am wanting a rifle with a little more behind it than my Ruger 10/22. My gun club only allows rifles in regular handgun calibers. I would like something to mostly target shoot at the 75-100 yd range for fun but have decent stopping power at that range. I know very little about what is available and worth spending a few bucks on. I know for that distance I will need a scope since my eyes aren't what they used to be. I don't want to spend a ton of cash either.
I was thinking in the under $500 range for the gun. Yeah, I know I'm cheap!
I am thinking I want fairly consistent 4" groups at 100 yds. I really don't know if this is a reasonable possibility. This is standing position, no other support.
I look to you guys for direction.

Thanks, Matt
Ive got a marlin camp 9 9mm caebine that fits the bill nicely.

wildchild2010
December 23, 2011, 12:50 AM
.357 Marlin is the way to go you can load it cheap and with cast bullets in 150-200gr good out to 150-200 meters will drop a dear if you do your job.

Google Jerry Lester .357 and see what a .357 rifle can do.

TwoEyedJack
December 23, 2011, 01:01 AM
I got an 1894FG in .41 mag a few years ago. Very hard to find. I was looking for one with a straight grip stock. They only made it for a few years, and I could never find one, so I ordered one of the new ones with the pistol grip stock and it is a very nice gun. Shoots great with jacketed bullets, not so great with cast, at least the ones I have tried so far. Anyone had luck getting a microgrove barrel to shoot cast lead?

Basmntdweller
December 23, 2011, 01:07 AM
Ive got a marlin camp 9 9mm caebine that fits the bill nicely.
You following me around Steve?

NG VI
December 23, 2011, 03:50 AM
r good out to 150-200 meters will drop a dear if you do your job.


I hope you're not married.

trapper500
December 23, 2011, 06:26 AM
NEF makes a good little gun the Handi -Rifle & it is offered in several handgun calibers like 357 ,44 mag, & 500 S&W Magnum iam getting the 500 S&W Magnum check them out They all have 22" barrels

dagger dog
December 23, 2011, 04:12 PM
The Braztech Rossi Model 92 lever gun is in the 500 buck range and they chamber for .357 ,38 special, 44 Mag,44special, 44-40, 454 Casull 45 Colt, and 45 Colt.

They ain't to shabby for the under 500 price. They ain't Winchesters,Marlins, or the fancy Italian clones, but they ain't 700 bucks either!

Mine was 100% reliable,with 3 different home cast bullet handloads plus factory ammo, and accurate to boot.

It would be well worth the time and effort to try to shoot one, once you did you'll see why most that own them like 'em!

Red October
December 25, 2011, 11:27 AM
Maybe outside your budget, but the Beretta CX4 Storm is a lot of fun, plus it will use the same mags as the same caliber pistol (there are two versions in 9mm - one for the 90 series, and one for the PX series).
I have one in .40, and it's a blast.

dprice3844444
December 25, 2011, 11:35 AM
http://www.mechtechsys.com/ also beretta storm rifles i think it is

marine 97-03
December 25, 2011, 11:43 AM
A carbine in .327mag.....that would be sweet

marine 97-03
December 25, 2011, 12:00 PM
Hi,point .45 model is the 4595ts

PapaG
December 25, 2011, 12:05 PM
I inherited from my dad a late sixties/early seventies M94 Win in 44 mag. Shoots great with jacketed stuff. From my little brother, I inherited way too early a 94 Marlin in 44mag and the "partnership" 92 Winchester in 357 that he and I had built up back in the Rifleman days. All are fun, all are pretty darn accurate, and all make nice companion pieces for the similar calibered handguns. (OM Super Blackhawk, 29-2, and NM Blackhawk)

george29
December 25, 2011, 12:09 PM
M1 carbine. Ruger makes a Blackhawk in that caliber and it is within the power ratings of 357/44.

FMJMIKE
December 25, 2011, 10:46 PM
I have two Ruger 77/357s. Great rifles..........:D ... Got both for $500 each. One used and one NIB.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e350/mbmphoto/77357A.jpg

Magno
December 26, 2011, 03:58 PM
These types of guns are my favorite types of guns. They are the best of both worlds.

I have a Rossi 92 carbine in .357 which is, for all intents and purposes, "my favorite gun". I love the heck out of this thing. Contrary to what was posted earlier on this page, my Rossi is of the highest quality and rivals or even surpasses other lever guns I have handled. This is probably because it is very early (70's or late 60's) production - I think I understand that the current models have a little less polish. So if you are in the market, I'd say the older you can find the better. The Rossi's are like fine wine, apparently ;)

A carbine in .357 is by no stretch of the imagination under-powered. No matter what model you choose, I can vouch for that.

gscrasher
December 26, 2011, 04:39 PM
Basmntdweller,

It looks as though some of the crew here didn't notice that you'd already made your decision! ;)

You've made a very good choice. I've got a number of Ruger bolt guns and like all of 'em.

In fact your pic and FMJMIKEs got me so stirred up, I might drive over to Sportsmans Warehouse and see if they have any...so far they haven't.

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