What is the SMG in this Picture?


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CWL
December 22, 2011, 02:30 PM
Here's a clip of Syrian resistance members from a BBC online article. What is the SMG used by the man in the back? It looks like a Schmeisser SMG MP40/MP41 to me.

I know the Syrians used a lot of German WWII weaponry, including Panzer MKIVs to fight the Isrealis... so can anyone identify this?

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57513000/jpg/_57513502_57513501.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16296255

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Ky Larry
December 22, 2011, 02:34 PM
Looks like a Russian PPD-40. Introduced in the mid-1930's.

Zoogster
December 22, 2011, 02:35 PM
Looks like an MP41 variant with a custom or altered wooden stock and nickel coating.

Rob G
December 22, 2011, 02:46 PM
I'm going with MP41. The magazine is too far forward to be a PPD-40 and the barrel is too thin for a PPSH-41. Definitely looks more like the German MP41 than anything else.

Sam1911
December 22, 2011, 02:48 PM
Yup, sure looks like an MP41 to me: http://world.guns.ru/smg/de/mp41-schmeisser-e.html

Earlsbud
December 22, 2011, 02:49 PM
It looks similar to the SIG MP48.

http://www.collectorebooks.com/jamesauction/subguns/34661.htm

AK103K
December 22, 2011, 02:50 PM
It does kind of look like a 41. It may also be one of the Beretta 38 variants.....

http://world.guns.ru/smg/it/beretta-m1938-e.html

Wanderling
December 22, 2011, 03:04 PM
Definitely looks like Beretta. AFAIK MP41 was a fairly rare weapon. PPD-40 had a shrouded barrel.

Carl N. Brown
December 22, 2011, 03:16 PM
Beretta Model 38/44 (exposed barrel without the shroud of the Model 38A)? I'll go a little further out on a limb: judging from the position of the holder's hand a folding stock Model 38/44. Probably Beretta from cocking handle on the right, no visible ejection port (the 38 series have left-hand ejection).

303tom
December 22, 2011, 03:38 PM
Looks like a MP41 to me !

Carl N. Brown
December 22, 2011, 11:30 PM
betting again: beretta 38/44
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=155251&stc=1&d=1324614581
appears similar to several varieties of folding stock Beretta developed in WWII; example 38/44:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=155462&stc=1&d=1324933440
The series also included an underfolder stock similar to the German MP40.

The-Reaver
December 23, 2011, 10:08 AM
Could be a KP/31

Carl N. Brown
December 23, 2011, 11:04 PM
KP/-31 has a heavier barrel shroud.

Quoheleth
December 23, 2011, 11:09 PM
You sure that's not an A-team bubba'ed Mini-30?

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JRH6856
December 23, 2011, 11:48 PM
SIG MP-48 might have the closest profile

http://world.guns.ru/smg/switch/sig-mp-4-mp-310-e.html

303tom
December 24, 2011, 12:01 AM
Yep it`s a MP-48.

Captaingyro
December 24, 2011, 08:21 AM
Wow, good eyes MicroTecniqs. MP-48 has my vote.

JRH6856
December 24, 2011, 12:48 PM
To be fair, Earlsbud spotted it first in post #6

Earlsbud
December 24, 2011, 01:11 PM
To be fair, Earlsbud spotted it first in post #6
The Beretta and Sig are similar. The rear sight of the Sig either doesn't show in the photo or it's not there. I have to change my guess to Beretta.

JRH6856
December 24, 2011, 03:23 PM
The pictured weapon has a wooden pistol grip stock. If there is a shoulder stock, it is a wire or folding stock. The only Beretta M38 variant with a folding stock has no wood. Also, look at the receiver above the stock. The rear of the receiver is forward of the rear edge of the stock. This is not consistent with any of the Beretta M38 variants except the Model 2 but the profile is still very different.

I'm not convinced it is the M48, either. The stock appears to extend too far forward. It appears to end just behind the magazine.

What it may very well be is Beretta Model 4 that has been restocked.

Wanderling
December 24, 2011, 03:28 PM
It may also be a home-made SMG. There was a number of them in WW2 and in Chechen war. Also look at the trigger guard, it's much thicker than Sig. Nevertheless, I think Sig comes the closest, esp. with rear sight removed.

Or may be a modified Egyptian Aqaba - look at the 3rd photo:

http://world.guns.ru/smg/eg/port-said-akaba-e.html

Although the rear sight is different, and part of the gun seems to be wood.

goon
December 24, 2011, 08:10 PM
My first thought was a Beretta 38 derivative.

scaatylobo
December 26, 2011, 11:46 AM
My guess was a Reisling,or a homemade copy.

mrcooper
December 26, 2011, 01:13 PM
what does BBC AND SMG mean? I enjoy reading on the forum but when people abbreviate stuff I'm done and I don't care.

goon
December 26, 2011, 01:32 PM
BBC is British Broadcasting Corporation (I think) and SMG is abbreviation for submachine gun.

cleardiddion
December 26, 2011, 02:52 PM
I'm going to put my money on the Beretta

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