Oh Guns&Ammo, don't ever change


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The Kershaw
December 23, 2011, 11:47 PM
A coworker was finished with the latest copy of the Guns&Ammo rag, so I asked to look at it. The back cover page is adorned with an advertisement for DEFENDER SOFT ARMOR SOLUTIONS, for everyday Americans! It depicts a sleepy woman being wrenched from her slumber to an intruder slinking through the house.

This woman has the time and presence of mind to don this TACTICAL soft armor MOLLE weapons system, complete with magazine holsters. This peace of mind can be yours for the modest price of $199.95, starting.

Personally, I keep an IOTV with front and back, in the tactical OCP as well as side SAPI plates at all times!

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happygeek
December 24, 2011, 12:15 AM
Personally, I keep an IOTV with front and back, in the tactical OCP as well as side SAPI plates at all times!


Everybody knows those side plates just impede your mobility too much :scrutiny:

The Kershaw
December 24, 2011, 01:00 AM
I was kidding about the IOTV :)

I haven't found the limit anything to be honest. In fact, the IOTV I wear in Afghanistan feels like a t-shirt!

I just found this advertisement to be funny because who is going to roll out of bed at 0300 and slap on some tactical armor.

LawScholar
December 24, 2011, 01:10 AM
I was kidding about the IOTV :)

I haven't found the limit anything to be honest. In fact, the IOTV I wear in Afghanistan feels like a t-shirt!

I just found this advertisement to be funny because who is going to roll out of bed at 0300 and slap on some tactical armor.

My perception of the ad was similar. Major eye-roller.

animator
December 24, 2011, 02:50 AM
... and John Connor.



Who knew the future leader of the resistance would end up working for a gun magazine... :D

dirtengineer
December 24, 2011, 03:26 AM
I dropped my G&A a while back because of who they choose to sell advertising space to. I don't want my kids reading about "enhancement" or see the pictures for "adult instructional videos".

EddieNFL
December 24, 2011, 06:26 AM
I just found this advertisement to be funny because who is going to roll out of bed at 0300 and slap on some tactical armor.

I wear it instead of PJs.

parsimonious_instead
December 24, 2011, 06:52 AM
Ad is probably made by the same people who make the alarm company TV spots in which a panicky woman gets a "callback" by the alarm monitoring station and she shakily reports that she had a break-in but the fellow dutifully left after hearing the screeching alarm.

As for firearms magazines, I usually just read a few articles at the bookstore and re-shelve them where I found 'em.

BTW, Chuck Norris doesn't wear body armor - body armor wears him for protection!

CDW4ME
December 24, 2011, 07:09 AM
The only gun magazine I still get is the American Rifleman (NRA menber) and I rarely bother to look at the others in the store.

My dislike(s): Every month it's typically a cover with the "latest & greatest" gun, sensationalism. Most "reports" will not list the height of the pistol, but will always include detailed accuracy information, typically with disclaimers. Nearly every time the author will use some unneeded little worn out phrase or expression :barf: . Seldom does the review (test) go past 250 rounds.

Suggested changes: Include long term testing. Often an author will say they bought the pistol for themself at the end of their article; well, have a follow up report a few months later when you have shot several hundred more rounds through it. Include the height of the pistol with magazine inserted. Ditch the worn out lingo, for example the term "venerable" when discussing the 1911. Finally, don't put an accuracy report on the front cover; save the, "It's _'' accurate at __ yards" for the review. Also, if it's windy (or whatever) at the range that day, delay the testing for another day then the obligatory :rolleyes: accuracy information won't have to include a disclaimer.

The Sarge
December 24, 2011, 07:42 AM
I quit gun rags a long time ago.

mgmorden
December 25, 2011, 10:11 AM
I quit gun rags a long time ago.

I quit ALL magazines a long time ago. In modern times the format just doesn't work. Who wants content from a month ago in a completely static non-interactive form? I personally find discussion forums like this far more valuable, but even if I wanted a straight up written article a website is far more convenient.

Aside from reminders like this I have mostly forgotten that magazines even exist anymore :).

Clipper
December 25, 2011, 11:12 AM
That rag should change it's name to "1911s & Ammo" if you have read a couple, you've pretty much read 'em all...

Vonderek
December 25, 2011, 11:19 AM
When Jeff Cooper died,my G & A subscription died with him.They've never tested a gun they didn't like.Usually with an ad for the tested Model on a nearby page.
+1. I had enough after they did a big glowing story on Extreme Shock Ammo. That in of itself was OK but then every gun article they did for months following the handgun was tested with Extreme Shock ammunition as one of the test loads. I don't know anybody who carries that in their gun and it was obvious they were shilling for the company longterm.

huntsman
December 25, 2011, 11:50 AM
I don't read print anything, it's time for scribes to get real jobs or make cheesey TV shows.

Kaeto
December 25, 2011, 12:11 PM
The only gun magazine I read is 'Guns of the Old West' .

solvability
December 25, 2011, 12:14 PM
I get all I need to know on the internet.

chas3stix
December 25, 2011, 01:31 PM
IMO the only thing G&A was famous for was....38 vs357,308 vs 30-06, ad nauseum....NOT worth the subscription price.....

Bigdog57
December 25, 2011, 01:39 PM
Hehehe..... youngins. One nice thing about books and magazines.....

After the EMP kills everything electronic - the books and magazines still work! :evil:

That being said, I only get American Rifleman, due to NRA membership.

But my printer gets a good workout when I find good info on the Net.

txgunsuscg
December 25, 2011, 02:06 PM
Who wants content from a month ago in a completely static non-interactive form?

Those of us who don't want to take the laptop into the bathroom:neener:

I still get Guns and G&A. I use the magazines to keep me updated with the newest thing coming out, then I use this forum to see if anyone has one and get a more down to earth review. IMO, Guns has the more applicable articles, and I do like Duke's stuff, but G&A occasionally has some good articles too. Plus, in my profession, you can still earn "professional development points" for getting an article published in a journal or magazine. Forums don't count. And one of these days I'll get off my tail and actually submit one.....

W.E.G.
December 25, 2011, 02:09 PM
I read the Sinclair reloading products catalog when I'm on the throne.

txgunsuscg
December 25, 2011, 02:15 PM
I usually do Brownells, but when the new mags come in I read through them, then back to Brownells....

gunnutery
December 25, 2011, 08:43 PM
Ditch the worn out lingo, for example the term "venerable" when discussing the 1911.

That rag should change it's name to "1911s & Ammo" if you have read a couple, you've pretty much read 'em all...

I agree with these two statements above. I'm not opposed to the 1911, but it doesn't mean I want to read about one in every issue. The same goes for AR's. I'm looking at building my own in the coming future, but it also doesn't mean that they should be on the cover every other issue.

Ragnar Danneskjold
December 25, 2011, 08:51 PM
I just found this advertisement to be funny because who is going to roll out of bed at 0300 and slap on some tactical armor.

Why not? It takes about 5 seconds to put an IBA style vest on, or slip on over your head. If you have one, why not use it? Guns make a great offense, but why is it so preposterous to consider defense?

There's a million threads about which ammo to use, where you keep your HD weapon, what kinds of tactical lights are best, methods for securing your house in a break-in etc. Why is the idea of armor, something that costs less than 1 gun, so ridiculous? Gun, lights, knives, sprays, etc are all designed to protect you by inflicting harm on others. Only armor is designed to protect you by preventing damage to yourself. I don't find anything ridiculous or over the top about that.

AlexanderA
December 25, 2011, 09:10 PM
Most of the gun press (including the NRA pubs) is in the pockets of the advertisers. You'll never see a review panning a product, no matter how bad it is. If it's both a horrible product and a non-advertised one, then they'll just not cover it at all. The motto seems to be, "If you can't say anything good, don't say anything at all."

This tends to mislead readers who aren't aware of this bias.

eazyrider
December 25, 2011, 09:43 PM
That vest was tested by some show recently, sorry I can't remember which one, but it impressed me. I don't think the idea of body armor is that ridiculous at all, especially at that price. I also love G@A.

Fishslayer
December 26, 2011, 12:15 AM
I just found this advertisement to be funny because who is going to roll out of bed at 0300 and slap on some tactical armor.

Gecko_45 would. But he doesn't really need it. He doesn't get seen unless he chooses to be seen... ;)

olafhardtB
December 26, 2011, 06:45 AM
since I got my Droid gun magazines are that part of the gun that holds the bullets even on the throne.

markshere2
December 26, 2011, 07:04 AM
My gunsmith keeps a pile of free gun Pr0n on his shelf. Take some, leave some, whatever ...

But I haven't bought a magazine in 10 years or more,

boatme99
December 26, 2011, 09:16 AM
Those of us who don't want to take the laptop into the bathroom

Yeah. The short curlys really jam up the keys after while.

J-Bar
December 26, 2011, 10:31 AM
I subscribe to several, renew when I get a rediculous discount offer, like $9.00 for a year's subscription.

When they arrive in the mail I do a quick thumb-through, scan an article that catches my interest. Usually I'm done in 10 minutes, then I pass that issue to the barber shop, auto repair garage, a neighbor who has expressed interest in guns.

I subscribe just as a general support to the whole shooting industry. If the gun magazines and their ads for firearms related products go under, then the whole industry is hurting. I also subscribe because they piss off the anti's!!

bhk
December 26, 2011, 10:49 AM
Guns, Rifle, and Handloader are still pretty good magazines. I, of course, get my monthly American Rifleman with my NRA membership.

1911 guy
December 26, 2011, 11:13 AM
My one question would be: "how easy is it to get on in a dark room under stress?"

If it can be gotten into in the same or less time it takes to put on a bathrobe, then it's got a use. So there's a bump in the night. The lady of the house sends you to investigate. You pick up the following:

Pistol
Spare mag
Flashlight
Cell phone

Now what? You've got two hands and four of them are occupied. Unless you sleep in a pair of Levis' your jammies aren't going to take kindly to the weight involved and are soon going to be headed toward the floor, further complicating your mobility.

The solution has long been the humble bathrobe. It has pockets and the weight hangs from your shoulders. But if I can shrug on something in the same or less time that offers ANY further protection, then I'm game to consider it.

The idea has been kicked around for a while, I'm thinking by both John Connor and Clint Smith.

1911 guy
December 26, 2011, 11:16 AM
As an aside, I don't subscribe to G&A anymore, I get a lot more enjoyment from GUNS, American Handgunner, etc. It would be cheaper to subscribe, but I pick them up on newstands once in a while.

Paris
December 26, 2011, 12:35 PM
I quit ALL magazines a long time ago. In modern times the format just doesn't work.

Agree 100%.

I haven't had a magazine subscription since I let Popular Mechanics lapse in I think 2000. It's a dead medium.

mrcooper
December 26, 2011, 01:10 PM
1911 THIS AND 1911 THAT I got sick of the 1911 and sold my gold cup and stoped buying gun Magazines a LONG time ago.

mgmorden
December 26, 2011, 09:12 PM
Those of us who don't want to take the laptop into the bathroom

That's what iPads are for ;).

Dnaltrop
December 26, 2011, 10:24 PM
Android phone with voice controls. ;)

I get my American Rifleman for free because I know that my wife and mother in law sneak around behind my back and flip through them. I can't say the same for gun websites.

bushmaster1313
December 26, 2011, 10:31 PM
Everthing I needed to know about shotguns I learned on THR.

SwampWolf
December 27, 2011, 05:11 PM
I seem to be in the minority here, but I enjoy getting several gun-related magazines, including Rifle, The Handloader, the American Rifleman (of course), Gun Tests, Shooting Times, Guns & Ammo, Shooting Illustrated, Guns, the American Handgunner and The Shooting Sportsman. I like reviewing articles describing the latest in firearms, ammunition and reloading. Yes, I read most of them sprinkled with the proverbial "grain(s) of salt" but I still find much of the information interesting if not valuable.

I grew up in an era (the fifties) that was pretty much devoid of firearm-related information directed to the general public (the American Rifleman, the Shooters Bible, Gun Digest and the shooting columns of Outdoor Life-Jack O'Conner, and Field & Stream-Warren Page, excepted). I think younger shooters are jaded by the glut of information currently available from many sources, including the internet, and don't have the perspective that some of us older shooters have. My only comment is that if you don't like the content of contemporary "gun rags", don't buy them. But for some of us, at least, the current, if much disparaged, firearm-related magazines offer a useful resource for learning what is interesting in today's world of guns.

Stophel
December 27, 2011, 05:15 PM
Haven't gotten G&A in at least ten years. I mean, how many times do I want to read "9mm vs. .45" articles????

Besides, is it really even a question?? :D

bannockburn
December 27, 2011, 09:30 PM
I haven't bought a mainstream gun mag in years. Occasionally I will check out Small Arms Review or Shotgun News at the local Barnes and Noble. Aside from that I really haven't found anything that interesting or that informative in Guns and Ammo for many years now.

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