Any thoughts? I like both. Sig fits my big hands better. I like the looks of the S&W a little better and think the Crimson Trace would be helpful to me as a relatively new shooter.
I have seen a few reviews that indicate the S&W has noticeably more muzzle rise. Do any S&W 1911 E series owners agree or disagree with that?
Do Sigs fit my hand better simply because the Sig grips are bigger? In other words, if I add an aftermarket Crimson Trace grip to the Sig, is it likely to feel smaller just like the S&W?
Neither of these have a rail. Will I regret not having one?
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December 24, 2011, 09:33 AM
they are both 1911 pattern pistols and the grips should feel the same on either pistol...if you took the SiG stocks and put them on the Smith, they should feel the same...pick the pistol you think fills your needs best...I like my SiGARMS GSR Revolution STX and have no experience with the Smith offerings...
December 24, 2011, 02:03 PM
I wouldn't base a purchase decision on the feel of a gun with different grips. The grips are interchangeable and you can make one gun feel identical to the other with a simple switch of grips.
The S&W 1911 that I shot felt identical to the other 1911s I have shot...this is comparing like frame materials and like slide lengths
Of the Sig and S&W 1911s I have inspected, the S&W usually comes out ahead on slide to frame fit and trigger feel.
You do have a choice between the non-standard slide contours of the Sig as opposed to the non-standard slide serrations on the S&W.
The rear sight fit of the Novak style sight on the S&W isn't ideal, but it is head and shoulders about that on the Sig TTT which look like a snag waiting to happen
I don't think the Crimson Trace, or any laser sight, is a good idea for a beginner...unless you have vision problems (unable to focus on sights at all)...as it has a tendency to compromise trigger control and form bad sight alignment habits
December 24, 2011, 02:37 PM
If you are getting into 1911's, I suggest staying with the S&W. The Sigs' look great but aren't true 1911's. They are Sigs version of a 1911. Go with a traditional colt type pistol for your first one they just shoot different than the Sigs. Sig in my opinion, jumped on the 1911 bandwagon because of the resurgance of the 1911 pistols as a force in the pistol world, really instituted by Kimber, "weather you like them or not", they almost singlehanded brought the public back to the single stack 1911 guns. For a while there no one except true pistol guys, were buying anything that didn't hold 15+ rounds, and weiged in at 23 ozs. Sig makes a nice gun, but there are just too many models and some are IMO crap, regaurdless of price. They must have more models than any other company of basically the same 5 or 6 guns. I think they should have stuck with a half dozen pistols and made them great, "like they used to. H&K and Glock do that well. We don't need 10 more sig 1911's with proprietary parts.
Part of the beauty with them is the interchanging of parts, that enable the individual to customise their gun the way they want it.
December 25, 2011, 09:31 AM
gym...most 1911 pattern parts fit in the SiG 1911 pattern pistols...both the Smith and SiG use an external extractor...so where's the issue with SiG pistols???...mine was very well made and is at least as nice as my Colt's, Kimber and Springfield...it does differ with the slide profile and the already mentioned external extractor but the safeties, grips, magazines, springs, etc are all modern made 1911 pattern...
December 25, 2011, 02:12 PM
I think Sig is over their initial problems from when they tried using Caspian frames...but it was such a glaring problem and it took them so long to address it that it really shook my faith in their understanding of the 1911 platform...you would think the CEO from Kimber would know better. Their early selection of the style of grip safety used should have been the first warning sign
December 25, 2011, 02:23 PM
Don't know a thing about the Sig 1911's but I sure like the looks of their 1911 Carry Stainless!
December 25, 2011, 02:24 PM
early selection of the Caspian humped grip safety to go with their Caspian frame and external extractor???...it's certainly not my favorite but it does the job just fine...as does Kimber's added material at the bottom of theirs, other manufacturer's speed bumped base or just the plain old Colt's style...
...I would agree that SiGARMS took a bold step when they tried to make it their own and use many parts that didn't play well in the sandbox but mine works just fine...certainly the equal to other's versions of John Browning's 1911 pattern pistols at their price points...especially after some tweaking by someone who know's what their doing to make it better...(not me...I can only pay someone to get my 1911 pattern pistols better :D)
I own both a SIG Carry and scandium S&W Commander and to be completely honest the S&W is built like a bottom barrel pistol, complete with failing MIM parts that were supposed to just as good as barstock components.
Quality of parts and bang for your buck favors the SIG, hands-down. I am amazed that so many people arelining up to fork over $1200 for a S&W that is literally chock full of questionable parts.
December 25, 2011, 08:32 PM
Was looking at same mfgrs when I was looking into 1911(Sig vs S&W E-Series). Ended up going with the S&W since the features were a bit better, standard slide profile and the Sig I rented seemed to have feeding issues.