Legal test of legitimacy of non-resident licensee in reciprocal state


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vito
December 25, 2011, 10:11 AM
As most readers here are aware, IL is the last state left where there is no legal provision for any type of concealed carry (despite the general knowledge that Chicago city councilman are permitted by the Chicago PD to carry if they choose to do so). However, we citizens of IL can get non-resident licenses from a number of states, and some of these are from states that are recognized by Wisconsin in their newly passed concealed carry law. My question is if in WI, or elsewhere, there has been a legal test of a resident from one state, carrying with a non-resident permit from a second state, is safe from arrest in a third state? I spend more time in WI than in any other state (other than IL where I reside and work) and it seems to be "common knowledge" that with a PA non-resident permit we can legally carry when in WI. But "common knowledge" is not as reassuring as some actual cases that had a happy ending.

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deadin
December 25, 2011, 10:24 AM
If IL is truly the only state left that has no provision for CCW then you are going to get 49 examples of yes/no answers to your question because "3rd State" carry is dependent on the laws and rules of each State. (And they're not all the same.)

tyeo098
December 25, 2011, 11:21 AM
handgunlaw.us

I think WI only recognizes non-res permits? (for virginia anyways)

If you have a FL permit, and live in NY, you can carry anywhere the FL permit is recognized, afterall, you have a FL permit.

NavyLCDR
December 25, 2011, 11:29 AM
If you have a FL permit, and live in NY, you can carry anywhere the FL permit is recognized, afterall, you have a FL permit.

Not true. In Colorado (CO), Michigan (MI), South Carolina (SC), New Hampshire (NH), Florida (FL), and Maine (ME) only residents of the same state their permit is from can legally carry on their out of state permit.

Vito,
Study this page:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf

Short of going to each individual states' statutes, Attorney General and State police websites, it always contains the most up to date and accurate information.

Remember, there is no guarantee you won't be arrested for anything, especially when firearms are involved. Arrests are inconveniences, and I won't alter my life around what a rogue or ignorant LEO might arrest me for. I will live my life according to what statutes and courts say is legal.

HeavyDuty
December 25, 2011, 11:32 AM
Look at the WI state website and decide for yourself:

http://www.doj.state.wi.us/dles/cib/ConcealedCarry/reciprocity.asp

Note the entry for VA.

deadin
December 25, 2011, 11:36 AM
I believe that a number of States will honor non-resident permits only if the holder is a resident of the State that issued the permit.
In other words, if there are three States involved, (residency State, issue State and carry State) they will not honor the permit. (Some will, and some won't.) Also if your home State won't issue you a permit (or you don't have a permit from your home State), your home State may not honor your permit from another State.
Check the individual State's involved laws carefully. There is no "common" answer.

Birch Knoll
December 25, 2011, 01:42 PM
In Colorado (CO), Michigan (MI), South Carolina (SC), New Hampshire (NH), Florida (FL), and Maine (ME) only residents of Florida with Florida permits are legal to carry. In those states, only Florida resident permits carried by Florida residents are honored.

True so far as the principle is concerned (some states honor reciprocity only for resident permits), but false as to Maine honoring FL resident permits. Maine has no reciprocity with Florida whatsoever.

NavyLCDR
December 25, 2011, 02:49 PM
True so far as the principal is concerned (some states honor reciprocity only for resident permits), but false as to Maine honoring FL resident permits. Maine has no reciprocity with Florida whatsoever.

You are correct, I will correct my post.

brickeyee
December 25, 2011, 03:40 PM
My question is if in WI, or elsewhere, there has been a legal test of a resident from one state, carrying with a non-resident permit from a second state, is safe from arrest in a third state?

There is not going to be a " legal test" of something patently illegal.IL does not recognize ANY permits.

What do you think a "legal test" would establish?

That Illinois cannot pas its own laws?

That they are likely in violation of the 2nd amendment?
You will need VERY deep pockets to mount that fight.

BeerSleeper
December 25, 2011, 03:46 PM
There is not going to be a " legal test" of something patently illegal.IL does not recognize ANY permits.

You have to read the OP carefully to see what he means. I don't think he means to carry in IL on a nonresident permit. I think he means to, as an IL resident, carry in another state other than IL, with a nonresident permit from another state that is not IL.

It is equally possible I could have misinterpreted that post too. It is not terribly clear.

SMMAssociates
December 26, 2011, 01:14 PM
'Bout all I know is that TX will recognize a non-resident license from PA....

Seemed pretty silly, because PA's requirements are considerably simpler than OH's, which TX won't recognize, but....

The current AG in OH is NOT going to work too hard in this direction. TX apparently doesn't like the way OH does background checks, but I'm told their current AG isn't going to work too hard on this either.

Regards,

Deanimator
December 26, 2011, 01:48 PM
The current AG in OH is NOT going to work too hard in this direction.
With his voting record in the Senate, we're lucky that DeWine recognizes OHIO CHLs.

crracer_712
December 27, 2011, 04:12 PM
In Kansas, a few places offer CCW training for Utah. The advantage? It gives the Kansas resident more CCW states than the one Kansas Issues (currently Kansas has 27 reciprical states). Kansas does not honor the Utah CCW, and I believe Utah changed the requirement in that to be able to get a non resident license, you have to be in a state and have a resident state CCW.

bushmaster1313
December 28, 2011, 12:14 AM
Not true. In Colorado (CO), Michigan (MI), South Carolina (SC), New Hampshire (NH), Florida (FL), and Maine (ME) only residents of the same state their permit is from can legally carry on their out of state permit.



Not completely correct. A non-Florida resident with a Florida permit can carry in Florida:neener:

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