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andrewdl007
December 25, 2011, 10:47 PM
Now, I would understand taking a gun with you if you were heading into the hills to go fishing and would need it to possibly protect yourself from predators, but does anyone take a rifle/pistol/or shotgun out on a fishing boat on the sea. I have read many Hemingway stories in which characters have guns on their fishing boats (be it a Thompson SMG or a Mannlicher-Schoenauer). One, is there a law against having a gun on a boat or firing a gun from a boat? If not, do any of you fishers out there take a gun fishing or know of anyone who does?

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bthest86
December 25, 2011, 11:19 PM
Pirates and mutinies :-p

El Mariachi
December 25, 2011, 11:23 PM
My Dad and I used to do a lotta fishing off the coast of So Cal in the early 70's---14 Mile Bank off of Newport Beach for rock cod, the back side of Catalina for white sea bass, yellow tail and huge halibut and a lot of trolling between there and San Clemente Island for marlin, albies and swords. Good times back then. We'd bring a Hibachi, steaks, our surfboards....and both his Sears .22 semi-rifle and his 1911 that he brought back from his little free vacation he took to Okinawa in the 40's, courtesy of Uncle Sam. The .22 was a blast to use on seagulls or balloons that we used to toss off the stern, and the 1911 worked wonders on the eight foot blue sharks that grabbed our hooked fish, or even better, putting 200 pound swords & blues to sleep before dragging them up and over the transom.

Gawd but I sure miss those days hanging out with him......:D

rcmodel
December 25, 2011, 11:39 PM
Gun & fishing boat = Don't leave home without it.

Unfortunately, you are always subject to the laws of the coastal waters or inland lakes & rivers you are on with the boat.

So, no, you can't just grab your Thompson and jump in the Pilar in San Francisco de Paula Cuba.
Or much of any other place in the world anymore, without a team of paramilitary hardcore guys you don't want to meet when they are all excited.

Besides that, you ain't Hemingway, and you can't get away with half the shix he did without getting thrown in some roach motel with a bunch of non-english speaking butt bandits for the rest of your life.

Which will be drastically shortened, even in the best outcome possible.

rc

gunnutery
December 25, 2011, 11:47 PM
My wife's uncle has done a lot of sailing off in the Gulf from FL (including some races to Cuba). He said that once during the night, they could see the lights of another boat trailing them for hours. He had some guests on board and armed some of them (he had a shotgun and a handgun I think). Eventually they lost sight of the other boat and nothing happened.

I'm not sure of the coastal laws regarding guns in boats, but once you're twelve miles out, you're in international waters.

Safetychain
December 25, 2011, 11:47 PM
The pistol is for pirates. There are at least one or two make shift Cuban boats beached around here in the FL Keys every week. If I were to see one coming in, I would call it in. The Cubans don't want anybody calling attention to them especially professionals that may be running them in.

The shotgun is for the things under the surface that you can't see or can't imagine. One time when I didn't carry the shotgun a shark decided to taste my outboard lower unit. He didn't like it but that was after he'd already disabled my steering. Then I started fishing for them and one thing for sure, you don't want to bring a live shark of size on board. I only did that once. I learn from my mistakes. An old cheap no name single shot 12 gauge with several coats of rustolium(sp ?) outside and inside used to tame them really well but, with all the limits on shark fishing now, its more ore less for the unimaginable things. It will even shoot the 12 gauge flares. And my understanding of FL law is that the CCW allows the carry of firearms on board just as if it were your car.

RevolvingGarbage
December 26, 2011, 12:16 AM
In FL you don't need a CWL to have a gun in your boat. It is a "private conveyance" just like a car, and the law says any handguns must be "securely encased" (basically, inside something that closes), but long guns may be kept anywhere, in any state of readiness.

I open carried a Sig P228 on my last trip ofshore, about 20 miles straight out of Canaveral. It was a warm fuzzy feeling that could only have been made warmer and fuzzier by having my 1911 rather than that 228 9mm.

Dr.Mall Ninja
December 26, 2011, 12:17 AM
People do all the time, just look at all the board members who have had tragic boating accidents.

boatme99
December 26, 2011, 09:19 AM
12ga. 7' Shark. End of problem. ;)

The Sarge
December 26, 2011, 09:56 AM
Oh heck yeah! At our place in Grand Cayman we go out all the time with some seriously stupid firepower. Just so happens my buddy is a Sgt. with the RCIP :) He has access to fully auto fun toys.

LongTimeGone
December 26, 2011, 09:59 AM
I always carried a Mossy Mariner on my sportfish boat trips out of Canaveral to the Bahamas.
The only time it came out was for the Bahama authorities. They demanded an additional customs fee for firearms and it was supposed to be locked up at all times in the boat while there.

lowerunit411
December 26, 2011, 10:28 AM
I am in the sportfish brokerage business and have financial intrest in charter fishing operations in Cabo san Lucas and San Jose del Cabo, Baja Sur, Mexico as well as owing and operating 2 of my personal sportfish boats here in the Chesapeake and Atlantic, so i spend a lot of time on boats fishing. In Mexico guns are a NO GO!! Years ago we experimented with a dove shooting operation north of Cabo in the middle of the penninsula but it was just to big of a bureaucratic nightmare with rented guns so that went the way of the spotted goose. I have stainless "marine" shotguns on all of my personal boats and always have whatever i happen to be carrying that day on board. We routinely fish the gulf stream which is ,in some instances ,international waters. I have always taken the marine shotguns offshore with no issues. Traveling up the bay into Maryland waters we shed the weapons as Maryland does not reccognize Virginia gun laws, likewise traveling up the Atlantic coast to NE waters.

LibShooter
December 26, 2011, 10:33 AM
Deep sea fishing trips start and end at marinas... in the dark. There are often some sketchy folks hanging around marinas.

we are not amused
December 26, 2011, 10:58 AM
I always carried a Mossy Mariner on my sportfish boat trips out of Canaveral to the Bahamas.
The only time it came out was for the Bahama authorities. They demanded an additional customs fee for firearms and it was supposed to be locked up at all times in the boat while there.
I thought guns, (any type) were seriously against Bahamian law. Does some one know anything about the rules to have guns on board in Bahamian waters?

lowerunit411
December 26, 2011, 11:05 AM
this is generally the rule: Tourists who arrive by private boat are required to declare firearms (and every round of ammunition) to Bahamian Customs, and leave firearms on the boat (in a secure compartment) while in The Bahamas. In the event of your being boarded by Customs or the Royal Bahamas Defence Force, the information on your cruising permit will be checked carefully against your actual supply. Ammo' must match cruising permit exactly.

blume357@bellsouth.net
December 26, 2011, 05:16 PM
take a gun where ever you can, and then some.
I know you can get to the Bahamas in a open John boat but most places you will be on a Documented boat that is technically U.S. property.

Then again, some of this depends on the state you are going in and out of. I suspect most LEO's here don't even know it, but it is illegal to have a rifle on a boat in S.C.

dprice3844444
December 26, 2011, 05:22 PM
hell,i take a gun when i go to the toilet

baylorattorney
December 26, 2011, 05:34 PM
Remington 870 Mariner + Barrett .50 cal = relaxed deep sea fishing trip.


Mark, esquire

The Sarge
December 26, 2011, 05:38 PM
My youngest is a Senior @ Baylor.

baylorattorney
December 26, 2011, 10:00 PM
My youngest is a Senior @ Baylor.

Congratulations. Its a great university and education all around.


Mark, esquire

LongTimeGone
December 27, 2011, 09:53 AM
this is generally the rule: Tourists who arrive by private boat are required to declare firearms (and every round of ammunition) to Bahamian Customs, and leave firearms on the boat (in a secure compartment) while in The Bahamas. In the event of your being boarded by Customs or the Royal Bahamas Defence Force , the information on your cruising permit will be checked carefully against your actual supply. Ammo' must match cruising permit exactly.

Yep, but it may have changed, it's been 6,7 years (sold the big boat). But they didn't really search you or anything. At West End they walked on the boat to look at the storage for the gun. I'm sure I had shells stashed that I didn't remember and I didn't declare. .
But fwiw, I never had a Bahamanian authority of any sort approach my boat in the many trips we took around the Abaco's .

lowerunit411
December 27, 2011, 10:45 AM
i dont do a lot of transports these days but when i was knee deep in doing that i noticed that if the boat was a USCG documented vessel with some size and amenities...like a Lazzara motor yacht etc...no one paid any mind but once i took a very custom Apache go fast down for a client and they were on it like white on rice!

snorky18
December 27, 2011, 10:54 AM
Is there any protection for boaters similiar to FOPA inside the US?

we are not amused
December 27, 2011, 11:23 AM
this is generally the rule: Tourists who arrive by private boat are required to declare firearms (and every round of ammunition) to Bahamian Customs, and leave firearms on the boat (in a secure compartment) while in The Bahamas. In the event of your being boarded by Customs or the Royal Bahamas Defence Force, the information on your cruising permit will be checked carefully against your actual supply. Ammo' must match cruising permit exactly.

Thanks for the information, I recently bought a small sailboat, and while it will be sometime before I am skilled enough to want to sail to the Bahama's, that was always a place I had in mind. While I will of course, (in a few years) check with their authorities for the exact requirements, you do take a load off my mind, as I was under the impression under no circumstances were guns allowed.

LongTimeGone
December 27, 2011, 11:43 AM
if the boat was a USCG documented vessel with some size and amenities...like a Lazzara motor yacht etc...no one paid any mind


Yep, It was the same way in US coastal water as far as CG and local game and fish guys.
And I had a bought new, 40 ft Luhrs, nice boat but no Lazzarra,:D.

Edit;
I have been checked in my 20 ft fish boat many times here in FL. but I never mention a gun to them.

we are not amused
December 27, 2011, 12:34 PM
Yep, It was the same way in US coastal water as far as CG and local game and fish guys.
And I had a bought new, 40 ft Luhrs, nice boat but no Lazzarra,:D.

Edit;
I have been checked in my 20 ft fish boat many times here in FL. but I never mention a gun to them.

Yes, what they don't know, won't hurt me.

lowerunit411
December 27, 2011, 02:04 PM
"Yes, what they don't know, won't hurt me. "
humm...not so sure id follow that line of thinking with Coasties....now your in the territory of the feds and thats no place to take chances and as far as foreign ports go...watch yer top knot....

Ghost Tracker
December 27, 2011, 02:25 PM
Prudence suggests being sufficiently armed everywhere possible. Boats are no different. Wisdom suggests being aware of the geographic restrictions related to that decision. Prudence & wisdom are vital to staying both alive & out of prison. The better informed you stay, the more prudent & wise you are. The "Deep Sea" and its related ports are no different. BE WISE AND PRUDENT.

Chedderbob
December 27, 2011, 05:27 PM
You need to be sure to hit what your aiming at :)

I heard a story that my grandpa was fishing in a navigation channel of the Arkansas river (not exactly deep sea, but scary enough.) He pulled up a 5ft alligator gar. If you have ever seen one at an aquarium, they are lazy, if you ever see one in a boat, they are vicious bastards. In a panic my gramps pulled out his trusty .38 and emptied it into the gar. After the commotion was over he had 3 small holes in the bottom of his boat :)

andrewdl007
December 28, 2011, 04:05 PM
Thanks for all the responses, so i guess this clears up alot about having a firearm on a boat but what about actually discharging it while on the ocean. Does this again depend on the state/country whos waters you are in, or is it generally a legal no-no?

lemaymiami
December 29, 2011, 08:44 AM
A few additional thoughts about weapons on boats... from a retired cop that currently works on the water full time on small boats.

Boats don't stop bullets at all.... If you're unfortunate enough to be in any situation involving firearms - do your best to E & E the heck out of there. If there's an area of the boat that's below the water line you can find some cover there - otherwise it's your motor or a cooler filled with ice to have any protection at all from incoming rounds....

Next, if you must have a weapon aboard you'll want to take extra corrosion precautions, keep it carefully covered, etc. That same extra care should go to your ammo (I'd want a waterproof container for ammo and make a careful inspection of each round monthly to verify it's still in good shape - by the way that does not include any form of spray lube, particularly if it's WD40... keep that stuff away from your ammo, period.

Lastly, and this concerns cruising sailors or boaters planning on visiting another country by boat. No matter what anyone else suggests, make a serious effort to find out that country's firearms laws (and also ammo regs) since they will apply to you... I've known one guy (my dentist) who ran afoul of Bahamian law and ended up in the clink over it.... He ended up losing his boat, and lots of money to extricate himself and he was only in violation of fisheries laws..... Within the last year there was a public appeal for a charter captain detained in Mexico over just having one or two firearms aboard the boat he was running as they visited the country (and I don't believe he was even the owner of the vessel or weapons....). Unless you're looking for a lot more adventure than most - make a point of learning and following weapons laws in other countries. That song, "Send lawyers, guns, and money" isn't very funny at all when you think about it....

I'll get down off of my soapbox now. By the way, I fish day & night everywhere from the urban coastal areas of Miami/Miami Beach to the wilderness areas of Everglades National Park. Many times I'm fishing anglers I've never met (and may never see again) these past 15 years. I wouldn't even consider having a firearm aboard...

RalphS
December 29, 2011, 01:52 PM
I wouldn't even consider having a firearm aboard...

Have you ever heard about the Joe Cool charter boat murders? Google it...

jrhines
December 29, 2011, 02:21 PM
There is a 9mm on my right hip, concealed is concealed!
Private boat, I did ask the skipper, he said O.K.

lobo9er
December 29, 2011, 02:24 PM
I like GHOST TRACKERS Post sums it up.

Skyshot
December 29, 2011, 02:25 PM
My brother lives on a 55footer in Florida most of the year and keeps a stainless mini-14 aboard.

lowerunit411
December 29, 2011, 02:27 PM
jrhines....nice little striper , and 9mm, the big ocean run stripers are here!!

wannabeagunsmith
December 29, 2011, 02:44 PM
There is a 9mm on my right hip, concealed is concealed!
Private boat, I did ask the skipper, he said O.K.


Did you shoot it? :D

MuleRyder
December 29, 2011, 03:20 PM
I used to do a lot of offshore fishing off the coast of ME and NH. I always took a sidearm with me. When one is 30 miles out on the high seas, there is no one to help or protect you. Sitting at anchor fishing, there is nothing to stop some lowlife with bad intent from pulling up along side and robbing or killing you for your boat or whatever. There are no video cameras and no witnesses to tell the tale of what happened to you if you have no way of defending yourself. I was boarded once by the CG while out fishing, they asked if there were any weapons on board. I told them yes, in that bag, a 9mm handgun. They said OK, just stay away from the bag. No problems with the CG as far as having a weapon on the boat.

lemaymiami
December 29, 2011, 05:39 PM
Ralph, I'm very familiar with the Joe Cool case - and think anyone that accepted that charter wasn't exactly using their head. I first worked on charter boats in 1973 on the old Castaways docks where all present were either convicted felons - or on their way to their first felony conviction. Many of those captains came to grief one way or the other and that was the era of the "Jimmy Buffet" type smugglers where most involved weren't exactly Scarface... I walked right off of those docks into the Dade county police academy at the very end of 1973.... and was more involved in the rough side of life in that area than I ever wanted to be for the next 22 years...

Some years later I asked another captain about what happened to one of the more flamboyant operators from that time period. I was told that he was in the "fifty five gallon drum business".... Not catching on very quickly I asked if he was in manufacturing or sales and was told that he was supposed to be in two different steel drums somewhere.... Back in the seventies the usual euphemism when someone got what they deserved was... "he went fishing". That was the equivalent of "going for a ride" up north.

By the way if anyone thinks that no firearm means no weapons... every boat I've ever been on had more than several weapons choices right at hand. All you need is the moxie to use one and to act quickly and without hesitation.

In my police years I was never without a sidearm (often more than one) no matter where or when... I don't miss those years at all.

lowerunit411
December 29, 2011, 05:44 PM
a flying gaff makes a dandy weapon

lemaymiami
December 29, 2011, 06:50 PM
Here's a partial list of the weapons available on most any fishing boat...
1. Ice pick
2. an assortment of knives from very small to the size needed for a removing a head...or cutting up anything man sized into little bitty pieces suitable for disposal at sea....
3. Along with an assortment of gaffs (and maybe a harpoon or bangstick) there's usually at least one fish billy...
4. Plenty of the items needed to make things that shouldn't be talked about on an open forum...
5. lots and lots of rope, heavy fishing leaders,etc.

All that's needed are the stones to actually use them and deal with the consequences...
sounds like some bad old black and white movie, doesn't it.

lowerunit411
December 29, 2011, 06:59 PM
Sounds like 4 average days of a typical week for me...and your right, I tell any "non fisherman/boater" that board my boats..."Boats may be the most dangerous places there are. Everything is sharp and pointed"

jrhines
December 29, 2011, 07:04 PM
Only shot was with a camera.

we are not amused
December 30, 2011, 06:50 AM
"Yes, what they don't know, won't hurt me. "
humm...not so sure id follow that line of thinking with Coasties....now your in the territory of the feds and thats no place to take chances and as far as foreign ports go...watch yer top knot....
I didn't say lie to them, just don't volunteer.
For that matter, I haven't forgot what those goons did during Katrina.
Illegally seizing guns and refusing to even give a receipt. I really don't like thieves.

jonn5335
December 31, 2011, 04:18 AM
halibut fishing we take a handgun in case of a big halibut or sharks in the rivers/lake shotguns for ducks

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