Gun sales at record levels, according to FBI background checks


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gbran
December 27, 2011, 07:26 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/27/us/record-gun-sales/

With a few days left in December, the FBI reports the number of background checks has already topped the previous one-month record -- set only in November -- of 1,534,414 inquiries by gun dealers to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System also known as NICS. Almost half a million checks were done in just the last six days before Christmas.

I couldn't find any stories about the corresponding spike in gun deaths.

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mgkdrgn
December 27, 2011, 08:29 PM
as they should be, as the nations population, and hence the size of the market, increases.

M2 Carbine
December 27, 2011, 09:19 PM
Gun sales at record levels
I would suspect that from what I see personally at the local gun stores and gun shows.

Last week at the gun show I went with two new lady shooters that wanted my input on their gun purchases.

The show was crowded.

When the ladies decided on what they wanted they were told there were so many buyers ahead of them that it would be an hour before they could fill out the 4473.

mdauben
December 27, 2011, 09:26 PM
This may explain why the shelves at my LGS were so empty when I stopped by with the idea of picking myself up a birthday present. Of the half-dozen guns I was thinking to chose from, none of them were in stock. :cuss:

TwoWheelFiend
December 27, 2011, 09:41 PM
I have been doing my part to increase that number :)

leadcounsel
December 27, 2011, 10:04 PM
I bet a corresponding or larger increase in FTFs as well!

Skribs
December 27, 2011, 10:14 PM
When I get a raise that number will go up faster.

OARNGESI
December 28, 2011, 02:38 AM
i was 3 of those checks

Dean1818
December 28, 2011, 07:22 AM
I wonder how many of these purchases were by new gun owners.


I see many people rounding out their collection....

"I need a gun for Thursdays..................."

beatledog7
December 28, 2011, 07:59 AM
I wonder how many of these purchases were by new gun owners.

NRA News was on this topic last night. According to the Brady Campaign, most of the increase in sales is due to current gun owners buying more guns rather than people buying their first guns. Cam Edwards followed up the story by asking for people who had recently purchased their first gun(s) to call in. The lies were flooded.

This sort of story leads me to think the Brady Campaign would like non-gun owners to stay that way and would like them to believe that responsible Americans are smart enough to know that they don't need a gun. They seem to want America to believe that gun owners are a whacko minority, that most of the guns in this country are in just a few hands and that the trend continues in that direction.

I wonder what the figures would look like if they could be sorted by resold guns and factory new guns. My analysis is that first-time gun buyers gravitate toward factory new handguns in typical concealed carry calibers and possible short-barreled HD shotguns rather then previously loved bolt- or lever-action rifles in typical game calibers.

I have observed at gun shows that the buyers who seem less knowledgeable and comfortable regarding guns are not examining used Model 70s and A5s, but are instead flocked around pistol tables, which would support the above hypothesis.

Or maybe it's just blindingly obvious.

Hugo
December 28, 2011, 08:50 AM
No surprise to me. I see more TV shows with positive firearm use. Even those "Storage Unit" buying shows have people enjoying guns and selling the rare antique pistols they find. Finally the culture is changing a little and guns aren't always bad on TV shows.

Of course it usually depends on the show and network since I'm sure Law & Order (and etc...) is going to always be a bit elitist with only the cops saving the day with their guns and never a citizen using his gun. Of course it's NYC so it's not very wise to reality.

jdh
December 28, 2011, 10:32 AM
Many of us here have been doing our part by replacing fire loses.

fpgt72
December 28, 2011, 12:50 PM
I think that more then they want to admit are new owners, and more and more people are going after their CCW. Classes (at least around here) sell out quickly.

M2 Carbine
December 28, 2011, 05:27 PM
Currently I'm teaching two ladies from California to shoot. They are having a ball and are looking forward to getting their Texas carry license in a week or two.

In the last month one lady has bought 5 guns and is looking at a couple more. The other lady has bought 4 guns and is also looking at a couple more.

These two ladies were sent to me by another lady I taught to shoot, who also bought 5 guns, so far.

Recently I helped my neighbor lady friend with her shooting. All she had was a 2 inch 38. Now she also has a shotgun, two ATI 92C 9mm pistols, 357 S&W and a 38 Derringer. She's talking about getting a couple more guns.

That's just some of the ladies buying guns. The men's gun buying makes a long list.:D

FIVETWOSEVEN
December 28, 2011, 05:34 PM
Many of us here have been doing our part by replacing fire loses.

Tragic Boating accidents? :D

jdh
December 28, 2011, 06:13 PM
34,000 acre very hot wildfire. Them boating accident guys can salvage theirs with a magnet on a long string. I have what remains of the roasted toasted collection that could be found to prove the destruction. If the gun grabbers want them they can have them for the going rate which I believe is up to $10/100# now.:neener:

Ragnar Danneskjold
December 28, 2011, 06:54 PM
I have observed at gun shows that the buyers who seem less knowledgeable and comfortable regarding guns are not examining used Model 70s and A5s, but are instead flocked around pistol tables, which would support the above hypothesis.


People generally will stick with what was new to them when they first joined an activity. For instance, you won't see someone new to video games buy a Nintendo 64 as their first console in 2011, despite how much fun it might still be. Current innovation and breakthroughs in guns are generally in concealable pistols and black rifles. Old wood stock lever actions, for as fun as they may be to those who like the, are a thing of the past. If you own or shoot one, chances are it's because you were taught to shoot on one, or had one given to you by a family member, etc. It's not very likely that some 20-30 year old who is new to guns in 2011 is going to go out and buy a cowboy rifle. The polymer pistol is the gun of the 90's-now and that's what most new shooters probably gravitate towards.

Jimineer
December 28, 2011, 09:01 PM
The 3 or 4 times I have been into my local Cabella's the gun counters are always packed. By listening to many questions being asked, it is my opinion that there are a lot of new 1st time hand gun purchases being made - which I am glad to see. My mom and pop LGS is also doing some good business (at least it appears so) and I hope Cabella's doesn't put them out of business. Actually, the prices at Cabella's don't appear any less than my LGS although Cabella's may have more and bigger sales periodically. But my LGS also has an indoor range which Cabella's doesn't have. So all these folks are going to need places to shoot. On the main highway on which Cabella's is on, there is a billboard advertising CHL classes at my LGS so hopefully all these people look into training and classes at this or other LGS. I prefer to support my LGS for these reasons, plus I can test fire most type of any handgun they sell which will help any purchase decisions. I helped my wife decide her next gun is a Wilson 1911 CQB I think - yikes!

BK
December 28, 2011, 09:04 PM
We've certainly sold more this year than ever.

taliv
December 28, 2011, 09:08 PM
i used to hang out in my LGS a lot. not so much this year. been standing-room-only. never get time to talk to them because they're always with customers. all day long. it's been crazy.

CZguy
December 28, 2011, 11:15 PM
i used to hang out in my LGS a lot. not so much this year. been standing-room-only. never get time to talk to them because they're always with customers. all day long. it's been crazy.

It's the same way here also. My LGS's shelves are pretty empty.

I'm looking forward to January when I start looking in pawn shops for good deals.

Ignition Override
December 29, 2011, 12:33 AM
taliv:
Is the main interest in your gun shops(s) handguns, rifles/shotguns, or is it about equal in both areas?

92GreenYJ
December 29, 2011, 03:27 AM
Not surprised. I visited five local gun shops myself last week shopping around for a new inexpensive hand gun that shoots cheap ammo. My 45 is just getting too expensive to shoot for just target practice. Every shop was packed. Turners even had a deli CPU Ted ticket system going. Take a number and wait to be called. I decided to wait a few weeks and see if it dies down a bit so I can actually see what they all have in the cases

mdauben
December 29, 2011, 01:00 PM
i used to hang out in my LGS a lot. not so much this year. been standing-room-only. never get time to talk to them because they're always with customers. all day long. it's been crazy.
Probably my only complaint about my LGS. Good prices, friendly staff, great selection, but during peak times its just so busy there is no way to comfortably browse the store. If you go in there on a Saturday, you better know what you want and where it is, or you'll be fighting for counter room.

Still, I suppose that's why he can afford to stock so much as such low prices. ;)

Strykervet
December 29, 2011, 01:17 PM
i was 3 of those checks
I was one, and two others just happened to be face to face at the gunshow (which does a background check). In fact, I THINK the background check for the gunshow IS the background check for buying a firearm, and I wonder if that affected sales any because our club recommends to renew at the end of the year to avoid ridiculous lines. Still, those folks bought firearms, and some face to face like me. So if they do this, then I am responsible for two checks and another face to face.

Any way you look at it, the 2A is alive and well. Firearms are part of our culture, plain and simple. You can't take culture away without genocide, and that is exactly why we have it in the first place. Keep up the good work!

Also, nearly all fireams transfers take place with local businesses, and a lot of the firearms we buy are US made, so this helps the local economy tremendously. And we should focus on lifting up the local economy because the macro economy is currently undergoing a firesale and they could care less. Yeah, good work.

LongTimeGone
December 29, 2011, 01:31 PM
Do you think maybe this has something to do with it?

Headline Fox News; President Obama's Anti-Gun Agenda Shows No Sign of Stopping

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/12/28/president-obamas-anti-gun-agenda-shows-no-sign-stopping/#ixzz1hww8tn4D

Nah...

CoRoMo
April 19, 2012, 05:14 PM
I'm only digging this moderately-aged thread up for one reason...

...this new article that I came across today:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/19/gun-sales-skyrocket-during-recession/print/

The National Shooting Sports Foundation claims that the economic impact of firearm sales — a figure that includes jobs. taxes and sales — hit $31 billion in 2011, up from $19 billion in 2008.

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