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Batty67
December 29, 2011, 05:46 PM
having "enough" ammunition vs. "hoarding" ammunition? How would you define hoarding anyhow?

Personally, I keep a minimum of 1000+ of my go-to ammuniton, (9mm, .40S&W, and .30 carbine) and 2k of .22LR (can you tell I'm still kind of new to shooting)? About 90% FMJ, 10% SD/HD rounds. To me, this seems reasonable for any normal situation I can envision. And this being the High Road, I'm not talking about any of the not-to-be-discussed survival or apocalypse scenarios.

But, if a person kept many thousands of rounds for their main guns, then what would be the *real* purpose of that? Buying now to avoid the inevitable price hikes? Makes sense. Legitimate worry that firearms and ammunition will be regulated severely or taken away? To me, that seems highly unlikely. Or, is it really "in case something really bad goes down?"

But let's say it is the latter (primarily at least). Realistically, unless you have trained in how to survive and all the many, many non-firearms things to survive (food, water, medicine, shelter, etc.), than what good is having more ammunition than you can reasonably carry? BTW, I'm no survivalist (I'm an envrionmental scientist and technical writer/editor). I starting think along these lines when I felt compelled to keep buying ammunition, and I asked myself WHY exactly...and if the *why* made sense.

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JohnKSa
December 29, 2011, 06:12 PM
I try to have enough ammunition on hand to allow me to weather an ammo shortage or price spike without running out or having to buy at ridiculous prices. I didn't buy a single box of ammunition during the last bout of craziness--I was able to keep shooting from what I had on hand.

Not only did it save me hassle and money, it prevented me from being a contributor to the nuttiness of cleaning all available ammunition off store shelves.

There have been a couple of times when 1000 rounds was a single range trip. I've shot 1300 rounds in only two days on at least one occasion.

1000 rounds per caliber may be enough for you, but it wouldn't begin to be enough for me. Certainly not if we have another shortage or price spike.

That doesn't even begin to get into questions like--"How long will I be able to keep shooting if someone passes some sort of crazy law that restricts ammo sales or drives the prices ridiculously high for the long term?"

I buy in bulk when I see good deals and I generally have a lot of ammunition on hand at any given time. A hoard (maybe 3 or 4 hoards), by your standards. ;)

Bobson
December 29, 2011, 06:16 PM
Hoard: To accumulate for future use, usually hidden or well-guarded.

Sounds like the dictionary definition is right on par with what I think of what I hear or read the word hoarding.

It isn't related to the number of rounds a person keeps on hand, IMO. The manner in which it's bought and stored - and why - is what matters when I consider ammo hoarding. Also, I get the impression you think of ammo hoarding as a bad thing. Many people do. I once suggested that someone was hoarding ammo, and he got super defensive.

What makes you think its a bad thing? Whether I store 10,000 rounds in my home because I expect prices to hike, or I store 1,000 rounds in my home because I know that's all I can reasonably carry in a SHTF scenario, what difference does it really make? Neither one would make me wrong. Neither is immoral or illegal. Both are [arguably] wise choices - but matters of preference either way.

I certainly don't frown upon anyone who would choose to store 1,000 rounds, or 100,000 rounds. Even if that 100k is kept for a SHTF scenario. I certainly agree that they may be nothing more than a false sense of security. Maybe the person can't carry them - but they could be given to friends/allies, or traded for food. One could choose to stay inside his home and try to "wait it out," which means he would have uninhibited access to his stockpile of ammo... the possibilities are just about endless, and so then are the reasons for "hoarding."

Main question I have, not directly to the OP, but just in general - what difference does it make? People ask about this often. IMO, do whatever makes you feel comfortable. That's what firearms are for.

Batty67
December 29, 2011, 06:17 PM
Thanks for responding. I'm going shooting tomorrow with my brother to sight-in my replaced Vortex SPARC on my M1 carbine, shoot my Ruger 10-22 (always a hoot), and shoot my 9mm CCW because it has been too long. Even shooting for 90 minutes I doubt I'll shoot more than 150 rounds of each caliber. And my "policy" is to always get back to those minimums after I shoot. But I only shoot about once a month. I guess I'm a casual shooter.

I think as far as ammunition prices spiking, that those increases will be easy to spot on the horizon, and I'd buy accordingly. I'm an editor, and I am not necessarily putting a negative connotation on the term "hoarding." But I am trying to see what others think about it "how much is enough" for them and why. For me, as I outlines in my original email, I think (as of now) that it would not be defensible (to my wife at least!) for me to have 5k of 9mm, .30 carbine, and .40SW, and 10k of .22LR.

Again, this for me gets back to asking myself if I *need* more ammunition, and why I think I do.

JohnKSa
December 29, 2011, 06:23 PM
I think as far as ammunition prices spiking, that those increases will be easy to spot on the horizon, and I'd buy accordingly.You and everyone else. What do you think causes shortages?

All the people who think it will be easy to see on the horizon, see it on the horizon and head to the store to stock up. The shelves empty and the next guy in the store panics and goes to the next store and cleans them out because: "There's a shortage!". He and the store clerk get on the internet and tell all their friends that there's a run on ammo because of (insert conspiracy theory here) that (insert retailer here) has absolutely no ammo in stock and it could be months, maybe even years, before any more is available. Maybe never because (insert unfavorite politician's name) is in office.

Next thing you know, no retailers have ammo in stock and .380ACP is selling for $70 a box at the gun shows.

I know, it can't happen. Except it does happen--I've watched it.

armoredman
December 29, 2011, 06:28 PM
I "roll my own" ammo and cast my own bullets. I guess you could say I'm hoarding lead, because I have more than a few pounds of it. I don't violate any guidelines on storage of powder or primers, and load what i want/need. I will say I keep a few laying about ready to go, if need be. ;)

Bobson
December 29, 2011, 06:33 PM
I am not necessarily putting a negative connotation on the term "hoarding." But I am trying to see what others think about it "how much is enough" for them and why.
To be completely honest, I'm not sure I believe in the concept of "enough ammunition," but that's coming from a guy who's never stored more than 550 rounds of ammunition at any given time. I do plan to "hoard" the stuff, I just never seem to add more before my stock is depleted. Frankly, even if I were to find that I actually have 100k rounds of assorted ammo, I'm not sure I'd stop buying it. Do I need that much? Define need.

For me, as I outlines in my original email, I think (as of now) that it would not be defensible (to my wife at least!) for me to have 5k of 9mm, .30 carbine, and .40SW, and 10k of .22LR.I've been married for just over two years, and my wife continues to surprise me when it comes to firearms. I think she'd begin getting a bit exasperated if I had 5k rounds of ammo total between all my firearms, but then again, I can see her not even caring if I had 100k rounds, as long as I had room to store them all in my armory. Her main issue would be with me buying more than a few hundred rounds at a time.

Serenity
December 29, 2011, 06:36 PM
I buy a 50 round box for each of our two guns every time I go to Walmart (usually about twice a month). Since I buy more often than we shoot (we only use a box each when we head out to the range) I'm slowly accumulating without feeling like I'm making a major outlay in funds. I don't think I will ever have enough ammo to barter but I am interested in reloading, because I could easily get into shooting hundreds of rounds when I go to the range :) I like working with my hands on projects that require meticulous attention to detail; I think the loading itself would be satisfying to me.

aeriedad
December 29, 2011, 06:59 PM
Unless you're drowning or on fire, "too much ammunition" is a meaningless concept.

Batty67
December 29, 2011, 08:11 PM
I agree in the concept of never having enough ammunition, but then there are issues of storing it, paying for it, not having enough money to eat to pay for it all. For me, the balance point is how much "inventory I have"; storage not an issue for doubling my current amount, and how much money I spend to have it all. It is expensive outside of 22LR, and 9mm to a lesser extent.

As for predicting future runs on ammunition, can it really happen inside of a week or two? Less? I was not into shooting back in 2008 when the last wave of craziness took place. How fast did things go from a bit hectic to crazy? How available was really common ammuniton like 9mm, 22LR, 223, etc.

Or was it the more "rare" rounds that god uber-expensive quickly?

Please feel free to share stories of watching ammunition prices getting butty and how quickly.

beatledog7
December 29, 2011, 08:17 PM
My definition, YMMV:

Hoarding is accumulating quantities of otherwise useful things that you would not be able to use in your remaining lifetime, sometimes in full knowledge of this fact but preferring to have it rather than allowing someone else to have it.

SigMic
December 29, 2011, 08:28 PM
I'm venturing to guess any ammo I were to "hoard" would be worth more in 5 years or 10 years than anything else I buy with that money (except maybe firearms themselves).

Consider it an investment that could turn into gold :)

Batty67
December 29, 2011, 08:37 PM
Can the argument be made that you could "invest" in ammunition in that, as long as you're not getting a lot of new/obscure ammo type that could decline sharply (such as [add example] in the past 5 years), it would likely never go down in price? OTOH, ammunition re-sales usually involve a big mark-down, such as what happens when you drive a new car off the lot.

JohnKSa
December 30, 2011, 02:32 AM
As for predicting future runs on ammunition, can it really happen inside of a week or two? Less? I was not into shooting back in 2008 when the last wave of craziness took place. How fast did things go from a bit hectic to crazy?VERY fast. When folks started seeing the shelves empty, the ammo buying craze switched into overdrive. People who never cared about having ammo went out and bought huge quantities and the demand went through the roof. The result was that in a matter of days local department stores were sold out and even the local gun stores rarely had ammo in stock. Occasionally they'd have a massively marked up box on their shelves.How available was really common ammuniton like 9mm, 22LR, 223, etc.

Or was it the more "rare" rounds that god uber-expensive quickly?It was the common stuff that took the biggest hit because that's what most people were looking for. They pretty much disappeared--even the online stores were often sold out completely of anything in the mainstay calibers.

Oddly enough, the more "rare" rounds took a very small hit because the demand for cartridges like .32-20 and 45/70 didn't change much.

If you think you want ammo on hand, don't wait until a shortage is imminent. For one thing you might not be able to beat the rush. For another, even if you do, you're contributing to the panic/shortage and that's not a good thing.

Bobson
December 30, 2011, 02:39 AM
Does ammunition expire? Ever?

Never considered that before.

JohnKSa
December 30, 2011, 03:18 AM
Properly stored factory centerfire ammo should last virtually indefinitely.

Rimfire, properly stored, should be good for a couple of decades, maybe more.

Properly stored means that you'd be comfortable living under those conditions. 70-80 degrees, not too damp, etc.

JRH6856
December 30, 2011, 03:56 AM
Does ammunition expire? Ever?Yes. From the archives... (http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-566436.html)

SlamFire1
January 12, 2011, 01:52 PM

Double based and single based powders start deteriorating the day they leave the factory. Nitroglycerine and nitrocellulose want to combine to form a lower energy compound. Nitric acid gas is released as a by product of this reaction.

The reaction rate is directly proportional to heat. The hotter things are, the faster the migration and reactions.

The Navy initially test for acid gas by the Methly Violet test, or Talliani test. If acid gas is detected than a chemical analysis is performed to determine the amount of stabilizer in the powder. (Stabilizer is either MNA or 2-NDPA)
When the concentration of stabilizer is LT or EQ to 20% of the original content, the Navy scrapes the lot.


The Army does things different. They scrap based on clock time. 20 years for double based powders, 45 years for single base.

Per an energetics expert I know, the best storage conditions for powder is arctic cold. That is cold and dry. He said water exposure damages powder.


http://www.almc.army.mil/alog/issues/JulAug08/propellant_stab_eq.html

The U.S. military has stockpiles of ammunition, new and old, that can present safety hazards. The primary ingredient of the propellant used in these rounds, nitrocellulose, can deteriorate with age and become prone to auto ignition. To avoid the destruction that could occur from the self-ignition of this propellant, the Department of Defense (DOD) has established a program for testing ammunition stocks to determine the thermal stability of the nitrocellulose propellants they contain.
More reading on this subject:

www.dtic.mil/dticasd/sbir/sbir031/n154.doc (http://www.dtic.mil/dticasd/sbir/sbir031/n154.doc)

Davek1977
December 30, 2011, 06:35 AM
As for predicting future runs on ammunition, can it really happen inside of a week or two? Less? I was not into shooting back in 2008 when the last wave of craziness took place. How fast did things go from a bit hectic to crazy?

While it may have been slightly more gradual than a "week or two" it did come on a lot faster than most shooters ever thought possible. The idea of there being no bulk .22 ammo at Walmart was unfathomable to most shooters....til they went to buy bulk .22 at walmart only to discover it wasn't there...or, if it was, there were limits as to how many boxes you could buy. To many shooters, this was a wake-up call that not only CAN it happen, but, given the right situation, WILL happen. I didn't buy ammo during this time period, but I didn't need to. I was lucky and saw coming a ways further out than many people did. I never thought there would be a day i was giving my nephews bulk ammo from my stash because it was nearly impossible to find in stores.


How available was really common ammuniton like 9mm, 22LR, 223, etc.

Or was it the more "rare" rounds that god uber-expensive quickly? no, the types of ammo you listed, along with things like .45, 7.62x39, etc were the first types of ammo to skyrocket in price and/or become hard to find. Ammo for my "hunting" rifles like the .243 and 7mm mag were virtually unaffected, while things like .223 and .22 saw 100% price increases and reduced overall availability. Ammo for ccw weapons and military calibers like 5.56/.223 saw the biggest price hikes, as they are in far more demand than most hunting ammo or "rare" ammo.


For the amount of shooting I do, 1k per weapon is a viable stock for centerfire, but I prefer to have at least 5k in .22LR on hand, just so I can give out a couple hundred rounds in the event I need to without reducing my personal supply too greatly

JohnKSa
December 30, 2011, 07:40 AM
While it may have been slightly more gradual than a "week or two" it did come on a lot faster than most shooters ever thought possible.It was fast in this area.

I typically make an ammo run every two weeks. One run was normal, the next, two weeks later, the shelves were empty.

guyfromohio
December 30, 2011, 07:44 AM
I have two LGS that will drop CCI Blazer to $8.99/box. I usually pick up 1000 rounds every time they go on sale. Hoard? Heck no! I shoot 'em!

beatledog7
December 30, 2011, 08:37 AM
As for predicting future runs on ammunition, can it really happen inside of a week or two?

In December 1973, Johnny Carson jokingly said on The Tonight Show (they were discussing crude oil markets as I recall) that toilet paper was in acute shortage in the US. Within a couple of days American consumers, having heard the comment or heard of it and either believing it was true or fearing it might be true, emptied supermarket shelves of toilet paper. It took about three weeks for the paper industry to to catch up.

All of this based on a comedian's off-hand and completely made-up comment on a late-night talk show.

So yes, it can happen very quickly. Granted, TP is a more widely used commodity than ammo, so ammo shortages might take longer to manifest. The point is that even a rumor or threat (see Strait of Hormuz) can drive an artificial, non-market-driven run on a product.

Ragnar Danneskjold
December 30, 2011, 08:51 AM
There is no such thing as hoarding or enough. Ammo is an expendable resource. You never know when it will be less available, more expensive, or even illegal. The more you have now, the less you have to buy later. If you're going to buy it and shoot it at some point, why not now?

M2 Carbine
December 30, 2011, 10:40 AM
Call it hoarding or whatever but to save money and assure a good supply of ammo I but in bulk and on sale, or the cheapest price I can find.

I'm still shooting $4.39/box of WWB 9mm, $54/1,000 7.62x39, $70/1,000 9x18, $4.00/20 30.06, etc.
I also maintain a large stock of reloading components and have many thousands of all caliber reloads.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/9mmWWB.jpg

Although it may have hurt at the time, I've never regretted stretching the budget to buy a couple cases of ammo on sale.

The recent big ammo shortage and ridiculous price increases meant nothing to me and friends.
When it looked like obama was going to run, a friend and I were at the gun show looking at the first increase in reloading bullet cost. We were trying to decide if we should buy a lot of bullets or a whole lot of bullets.
My friend said, "If you don't like the cost now, you will hate it next year".
We bought everything the dealer had in our calibers.



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scramasax
December 30, 2011, 11:18 AM
I've always looked for bulk ammo deals. Money permitting I buy as much as I can afford of any of the caliber guns I have. Save all the brass and reload it until it is unusable. Save the rejects and melt them down for knife guards andd handles.

Minimum ammo I would like for each gun is 1000 rds.

Cheers,

ts

Fred Fuller
December 30, 2011, 06:50 PM
Not really a topic for ST&T...

TwoWheelFiend
December 30, 2011, 07:19 PM
i shoot it too quick too even start hoarding :)

Zach S
December 30, 2011, 07:25 PM
I used to buy in bulk because I shot in bulk.

Now, money is tight, so I buy a case when I have the money. I like to have enough range ammo packed away to refill all of my mags at least once, and enough defense ammo to refill defense mags at least twice (range mags outnumber defense mags 10:1, at least). And by some people's standards, I have a lot of mags...

ball3006
December 30, 2011, 07:33 PM
You either have enough ammo or you don't. I would hate to be in the don't category in a time of need. It is not called hoarding, it is called buying wisely.......chris3

Drail
December 30, 2011, 07:33 PM
"Hoarding" is political doublespeak. It doesn't mean anything. There is nothing in our Consitution regarding how much of anything a citizen may possess.

Ragnar Danneskjold
December 30, 2011, 08:07 PM
I think of it like filling my gas tank whenever I can. I'm going to buy and use the gas anyways. I'm not gaining anything by waiting until I'm almost empty. And keeping the tank full gives me the piece of mind that I will have enough when I need it. I plan on shooting more when I can. Who knows if the day I want to go to the range will be a day Wal-Mart is out, or if I don't have time to drive out of my way to a store or any number of reasons. Better to have and not need than need and not have. Especially when you know you will need it at some point.

ms6852
December 30, 2011, 08:24 PM
Unless you're drowning or on fire, "too much ammunition" is a meaningless concept.
+1. I always like to have several thousands of rounds on hand and always buy every month. You never know when you can get fired, laid off or injured and you can not work for a while. By having all this ammo in times like this would allow me to enjoy my hobby and keep depression to a minimum for not being able to work. Also there would not be any unnecessary costs added to my household when finances would be almost non-existant.

B!ngo
December 31, 2011, 03:22 AM
I'm not a conspiracy theorist and don't worry about lack of availability or rising prices. But I tend to buy and accumulate significant amounts because I put a good deal of value in my own personal time. Why waste time driving to WW (which I personally protest), or even nearby LGS's when I can do a 'big buy' infrequently and just get it over with?
I used to make a lot of little runs to local stores for parts for projects and the like and my wife ultimately made me realize that if I spent that time instead at work, we'd end up creating a lot more money than we are saving by looking for a lot of little deals. She was and is right.

303tom
December 31, 2011, 09:50 AM
NO !!!!!!!!!

Batty67
December 31, 2011, 10:35 AM
Lee Lapin: yes, the way this topic "evolved" is really not ST&T. However, my original post touched on the WHY a person would posses many, many thousands of rounds of ammunition, and I suggested some form of survivalism might be one major reason. And, if that reason is accurate for some, then I commented that if a person does not also possess, and have trained in/with, the myriad non-firearms that would be needed for a survival situation, why obtain/retain such really large volumes of ammunition in the first place?

However, the discussion moved toward "hoarding" and what it means, how it could be defined, and the rising costs of ammunition in general.

Based on the posts, it seems clear to me that:
1) ammunition prices will likely never go down much, and are susceptible to major prices spikes and shortages, so buying ammo in bulk now to prepare for future spikes/shortages much makes a lot of sense
2) the term "hoarding" has a lot of meanings to different folks, and is often viewed/used in a pejorative (negative) manner

3KillerBs
December 31, 2011, 11:42 AM
When a family has multiple shooters who, to the extent possible, have intentionally chosen to shoot the same caliber in multiple guns per person, its quite sensible to consider the fact that ammo comes cheaper by the case.

We're probably a little down on ammo right now due to budget issues, but probably have 5000-8000 rounds of mixed calibers (including shotgun shells), in the house at the moment. 10-12K would be more normal and, if we had our druthers and could buy all the calibers in case lots, 30-50K would be a comfortable supply.*

1000 rounds of .22, 100 12 gauge shells, a 300 rounds of 9mm, and 50 rounds of .380 isn't a stockpile, its supplies for a family trip to the range. :D

*The same sort of comfort I feel when I've got 100lbs of meat in the freezer; 20lbs of rice, 20lbs of pasta, 20lbs of potatoes, 10lbs of onions, and a couple cases of canned tomatoes in the pantry; and the cupboards stocked with all the other necessities so that we could survive a few bad commission checks from DH and one of the intermittent periods of reduced hours at my job. Not hoarding, not stockpiling in any survivalist sense, just being prepared for predictable thin times.

whanson_wi
December 31, 2011, 12:22 PM
^^^^^ +1
It's not hoarding, it's convenience.

I buy things in larger quantities because I dislike shopping in general, and I really dislike making special trips because I run low on something. If I buy 24 rolls of TP at one time instead of 4, I've made one purchase instead of six. Ditto meat, canned goods, ammo, etc... anything that stores well for long periods of time. It's usually cheaper to buy in larger quantities, too, but what I'm really doing is minimizing shopping trips.

If I bought so much TP/canned goods/ammo/fill-in-the-blank that I couldn't store it, couldn't afford it, or if it somehow was less convenient rather than more convenient... that I would consider hoarding.

armoredman
December 31, 2011, 01:31 PM
The primary ingredient of the propellant used in these rounds, nitrocellulose, can deteriorate with age and become prone to auto ignition. To avoid the destruction that could occur from the self-ignition of this propellant

I have never ever heard this before, and we had many older munitions aboard my ammo ship 23 years ago. Heck, we were handling munitions manufactured 40-50 years prior, sending across to the USS New Jersey. Auto ignition? Never in any of my days as a Gunners Mate or in the few gunshops I have worked at, or any other source have I ever heard of loaded rounds of small arms ammo ever "auto-igniting".
I hope to get more powder and primer in soon, as well as more lead and brass. I plan on buying about 5-10 boxes of carry ammo all next year. :)

JRH6856
December 31, 2011, 01:52 PM
And here's something else to think about:

Flying ammo keeps firefighters away from house (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Flying-ammo-keeps-firefighters-away-from-2421287.php)

JohnKSa
December 31, 2011, 09:51 PM
Because the cases aren't enclosed, the primers come out before the bullets do. They come out very fast, but they don't have much mass so they won't penetrate significantly--the heavy protective clothing and helmets firefighters wear is sufficient protection.

The problem in the house fire wasn't the ammunition, it was the fact that the firefighters weren't properly educated about ammunition.

That said, loaded guns DO present a serious risk in a fire as any rounds "cooked off" would present the same downrange risk as a typically fired shot.

JRH6856
December 31, 2011, 11:48 PM
It probably wasn't the danger from flying bullets and primers so much as the fact that ammunition and powder are classified as explosivea and FD safety procedures usually require fire fighters to maintain a certain distance when explosives are present.

JohnKSa
January 1, 2012, 12:14 AM
Well, I can't speak to how various local firefighting organizations classify ammunition, but treating it like explosives and maintaining a safe distance while the fire burns is an approach that is unwarranted, based on studies to determine how dangerous small arms ammunition is in a fire.

http://www.saami.org/who_we_are/regulatory/index.cfm
http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_information/publications/download/SAAMI_ITEM_212-Facts_About_Sporting_Ammunition_Fires.pdf

KAS1981
January 1, 2012, 12:19 AM
However much you think is enough, is enough. No such thing as hoarding.

For some reason 1000 rounds of my three main calibers (9mm, .45, 5.56) would make me feel pretty good.

Of course more would be OK, too.

JRH6856
January 1, 2012, 02:06 AM
maintaining a safe distance while the fire burns is an approach that is unwarranted

Warranted or not, it is what it is and is something one might at least want to be aware of. There are many rules, regulations, policies and procedures, some required by law, some by common practice, that affect us every day, warranted or not. Yeah, I don't like it either.

JohnKSa
January 1, 2012, 02:10 AM
Warranted or not, it is what it is and is something one might at least want to be aware of.That's true. I may try to find out what my local fire department's policy is just for the record.

JohnBiltz
January 1, 2012, 04:45 AM
Well I buy toilet paper in bulk also. I shoot about 5,000 rounds a year. If you are using it it is not hoarding, its being prepared. I don't see there being a shortage anytime soon, mainly because people have better stocks on hand now. You could say people who are now stocking up while ammo is plentiful are a hedge against a future shortage the same way the feds oil reserve are. We are also encouraging ammo manufacturers to keep cranking out ammo. The worst thing that could happen is for everyone to decide they don't need to buy anymore ammo because they have enough.

Wildbillz
January 1, 2012, 05:53 AM
When you sitting back in the man-cave looking at a big pile of full ammo cans. Its a comforting thing. But the day you have move all of them accross three states you may wonder why you bought so much?

Just saying
WB

3KillerBs
January 1, 2012, 10:48 AM
When you sitting back in the man-cave looking at a big pile of full ammo cans. Its a comforting thing. But the day you have move all of them accross three states you may wonder why you bought so much?

Just saying
WB

:D

Ammo isn't too hard to move. Its compact for its weight.

The 40+ boxes of books, ....

But honey, they're mostly out of print. I can't replace them.

LOL

FROGO207
January 1, 2012, 04:21 PM
You can be accused of hoarding if you spend so much on ammo that it impacts other aspects of your life adversely. Say having to eat only peanut butter sandwiches and drink water for 6 months cause you have no money or have to walk cause you can't afford to use your car. Or you have no room in your house to live due to stacks of ammo or such everywhere. If you can afford it buy all you can. The price is just going to go up and up in the future. My plan is to keep 1.5 to 2K for each minimum and or what I would shoot in a 3 year period stockpiled ahead. Yes I had that much ahead when "the great ammo shortage" hit, mostly in reloading supplies however. YMMV

TXSWFAN
January 1, 2012, 07:44 PM
I have 670 rolls of toilet paper. I guess I'm really anal about hoarding.

IMO, hoarding everything you utilize is a good idea right now. It won't be less expensive next year.

Vaarok
January 1, 2012, 08:34 PM
When I started shooting an 880-round case of bxn63 Czech 7.62x54R was $60 delivered. 8x56R was about 10 cents a shot. 8mm was about four or five cents a shot.

Now prices are between double and triple, with some calibers like the 8x56R and GP11 Swiss almost pentuple.

Buying it cheap and stacking it deep is a sound practice, and I deeply regret not buying more. I'm jealous of friends who did.

Fishslayer
January 1, 2012, 11:59 PM
Here in Kalifornistan there are other forces at work that would make bulk buying wise.

The antis have figured out that cutting off ammo is a handy way around that pesky 2A that keeps getting in the way.

AB962 would have banned the internet sale of handgun ammo. We got it thrown out but "they" are hard at work with v2.0. And you can be sure that is just a step toward banning long gun ammo as well.

The EPA tried to get lead projectiles outlawed. Didn't fly this time, but it's already illegal to hunt with lead bullets in many areas. Don't forget steel shot.
I would not be shocked if the enviros got the sale/importation of lead and lead bullets outlawed altogether eventually. It's for the children.

woofe
January 2, 2012, 03:45 AM
There is not such thing as Hoarding!

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