Move from CA to Oregon--still celebrating


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Guy B. Meredith
December 31, 2011, 12:36 AM
When I first moved to Oregon I didn't realize how different the laws here are from California. I think I posted that the EBRs lining the walls of the local gun shop would make Pelossi and Co. dirty their pants. Then there are the full auto firearms on sale at the Albany gun show.

Somehow that all got pushed to the back of my mind as I went through the mundane daily tasks of transitioning, looking for a job an all, though I've kept an eye on some of the idiocy going on down south of the Oregon border.

Today I just happened to be in front of a local pawn shop/gun shop I hadn't seen and decided to drop in. Dejaveau all over again. The back wall is the first thing you see as you enter and look past the pawn goods and is a fine display of several AK and AR variants with full size magazines. I could feel the shock our California friends would experience coming upon that sight.

Celebrating my escape all over again.

It is just mind boggling that the politicos in California can't see Oregon as an example that people can get along just fine without the ton of restrictions on types of firearms, concealed carry and all.

I think I also bad mouthed the cost of membership in Oregon gun clubs. Turns out it's just a different way of paying for range time. Here you pay an annual fee and no daily charges. In California you pay a membership fee and then a daily use fee. Amounts to paying up front or as you go. Encourages more range time which is fine with me.

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KAS1981
December 31, 2011, 04:19 AM
Oregon is pretty decent to gun owners.

No waiting period when you purchase a gun.

Pretty easy to obtain a concealed handgun permit.

GEM
December 31, 2011, 10:34 AM
One of my old home towns. Yep, had concealed carry before TX. BTW, when I was there - being from CA was not a good conversation starter with the natives. Very insular - but a beautiful but wet state.

Have fun.

JT-AR-MG42
December 31, 2011, 11:08 AM
Glad to hear you are liking things up here Guy.

Both ARPC and the EEGC in Marcola do have dues that most shooters do not actually realize during the course of the year.
Both have work bond requirements that I feel not enough take advantage of.

I say take advantage not because of the time/cost ratio which to most is a losing proposition, but because it offers the opportunity for one to meet and get to know fellow members.
I've made quite a few good acquaintances this way.
My years and years of membership in both bear out that many members who do not get involved at all do not remain long term members.
I'll bet you saw the same thing down South.

Now, since you mention the full auto aspect here in Oregon, you ought to come out to one of the sub gun matches like the one in February at ARPC.
Not Camp Perry competition, just some good old fun that is challenging and at times, embarrassing!
The setting with the guys and gals that come out is a much lower key event than the yearly big shoot on the main range.
Good chance to handle and bang away on somebody's Thompson or Uzi without the constant roar of the main shoot.

See you at the range, JT

joed
December 31, 2011, 11:15 AM
I had always wanted to live in CA for most of my life. But as an adult I watched the stupid laws they passed and shook my head.

However, the icing on the cake for me was the OJ incident. When they failed to convict a guilty man I could not believe my eyes and ears. And when I talked to people from CA about it I realized that is no place I ever want to live.

ApacheCoTodd
December 31, 2011, 02:22 PM
I always figured I'd die in California after retiring form the Army - having grown up there - but conditions began to point towards other conclusions (excluding an untimely death or incarceration) over the course of the last couple years that I lived in San Diego County.

One was that regardless of whether or not I could afford it, I was unwilling to pony-up for the type of real estate I wanted.

The real heavy eye-opener though was after returning from a deserted beach (in winter) and after having a go-around with one of the recently LEO crowned life guards about my dog, I'm sitting in my house in Cardiff thinking... "What the hell am I doing here, in a state where I'm generally loathed?"

You see, in a rapid assessment of myself relative to California, I found no reason for me to stay and many reasons to leave. Each of these factors had been recently attacked in California around the time of my awakening. Towit;

-I was a single white heterosexual male. Don't read too far into that - it's just that as such, you are the only member of the populace without a franchise support group. and inherently in the wrong in any "interaction".

-Retired Military and (gasp) conservative

-Owned a Rottweiler (no kidding - one of the 5 "assault dogs" on a standard California ban list)

-Owned and traded in surplus military arms to include "assault weapons" and handguns

-Owned and enthusiastically engaged in the use of the following:
Motorcycles over 700cc's and over 100HP
2 stroke dirt bike
Jeep
4WD Ranger
A car manufactured prior to, well, whatever year they choose to randomly establish for targeting - in this case older than 15 years (a '72)

And many, many other conditions both small and large which could be encountered on a daily basis. Eventually I bailed (hence "Apachecotodd") and never looked back. Of the very few times in which I had returned, I ended up with issues with California DMV (twice) which took years to straighten out and a hellatious mess with a crazy animal control nazi over letting my dog off the leash in an abandoned rural field to get a stool sample for the vet.

One of the funniest aspects of getting out is in telling people that I didn't know how bad it was while living there - regardless of how bad I felt it was at the time. As the OP states more or less "you just don't know till you're out!"

I tell folk on a regular basis when they fantasize about leaving that they don't have a clue about how bad it really is and won't until they're out for a while. Of course, they always say something to the effect of "yes I do know exactly how bad it is - I haven't always lived here." But once they're out they eventually all come around to the point of "My God, I didn't know how bad it really was!"

As far as those of you who have read and then repeat items you have heard or folk who lived there "back when"... trust me, you haven't a clue as to how bad it is either. Twelve years outa that suck-hole and there still isn't a month that goes by that one somethin' or other doesn't come up to make me ecstatic to be here rather than there.

The insidious, creeping and stealthy nature of the community, municipal, county and state machines of control and conformity are epic when viewed from outside with a former insiders perspective.

Any how, congrats Guy on your freedom - you know EXACTLY what I mean.

Sheepdog1968
December 31, 2011, 02:34 PM
I grew up and now reside back in CA. I lived in WA state and love it there much for the same reasons u like OR. Unfortunately, I couldn't find steady work in WA and got frustrated after three jobs in four years. In CA, its much easier to find work. I'm looking forward to the day I can exit CA. I pay much in taxes and feel over regulated.

mdi
December 31, 2011, 03:04 PM
I too, have recently escaped CA. I was born and raised in L.A. County, even though I made several attempts to leave (did a few months in TX on a couple occasions, but always wound up back in LA). I got sober in '86 and got a really good job with the City of Los Angeles, and then I began learning just what a sh__ hole L.A. really is. The city government is as corrupt as any I've read/heard about, and is so "pro-illegal", a white Anglo-Saxon male with a job is actually worse off (in the eyes of the city fathers) than a barely dry emigrant from down south. Speaking/reading English is NOT a requirement to work for the City of Los Angeles! An interpreter will be provided to fill out forms or to take written tests.

My job was so good and I met a great woman, that I stayed for 25 years. But, and I thank God for this decision, I retired on Dec.1, '09 and moved into my new Oregon home Dec. 3, '09. I don't regret a minute of my time in Oregon and my life has improved 100 fold (even though I was diagnosed with throat cancer, had 4 surgeries, had 30 radiation treatments, had to drive 112 miles one way to the Dr., lost 50 lbs., and at times I'm weak as a kitten, I'm so happy to be here!).

The only thing L.A. has over Oregon is there were more places to shoot in L.A. than where I am in southern Oregon (I frequented 3 indoor ranges and one outdoor shooting range, and have found only one place to shoot here), but that's not enough for me to even think about going back! I have family and friends in So.CA, but that's not incentive enough to return even for a visit, and as I tell all of them, I've just provided them a great place to visit...

TT
December 31, 2011, 04:06 PM
Celebrating my escape all over again.

Congratulations, enjoy America. Planning my escape as well- California is a lost cause, graveyard-whistlers notwithstanding.

Mauser lover
December 31, 2011, 04:11 PM
I live in CA, somewhat know how horrible it is to live here (have friends out of state, hear it from them all of the time), and am looking at a college in South Dakota :neener: Maybe I will like it so much that I find a place up there...

ApacheCoTodd
December 31, 2011, 04:23 PM
I live in CA, somewhat know how horrible it is to live here (have friends out of state, hear it from them all of the time), and am looking at a college in South Dakota :neener: Maybe I will like it so much that I find a place up there...
A fella could do waaaay worse than the Dakotas for freedom and opportunity these days. Just don't stray too close to Minnesota - yup - seen that movie too!

Guy B. Meredith
December 31, 2011, 04:37 PM
Hey, wait a minute! Someone has to stay there to fight the good fight. California is wonderful if SF and LA weren't wagging the dog. It's just that I cannot afford to live there.

The SF Bay area has great ranges despite the political climate. There are neat areas if you don't have to put up with the crowds and freeways.

I will say that as long as I am out from under the morass of restrictions it is really hard to think about putting myself through that again.

TT
December 31, 2011, 08:12 PM
The SF Bay area has great ranges despite the political climate.

Really? None of the ranges I know of around here allow holsters or normal firing rates. Which ranges are you speaking of?:confused:

Guy B. Meredith
December 31, 2011, 08:35 PM
I don't know about the south end of the Bay area, but I was a member of Chabot, Richmond and USI/Diablo gun clubs which are all north of Fremont.

Chabot's public range is marksmanship only, but rents out all except the public range to clubs that sponsor action pistol, 3 gun, Cowboy, etc. They also have PPC open to the public. Great fun to stand in the PPC sign up line with the Feds and LEOs and listen to the gossip.

Diablo Gun club in Concord is a very active action shooting group, but membership is required. A great place for beginning shooters. Membership is $25 per year, gives you free time on holster practice range (if I remember correctly), cost plus 6% pricing on reloading components at the clubhouse and $20 per match. There are two matches per month with plaques given out.

Richmond has open public access to the action pistol practice range on Saturday. They only require that the range officer briefs you on safety and all which takes about 15 minutes. They have one bay set up with a silhouette target for each of about 12 lanes and informal firing periods. Falling plates are usually available as well. Another bay is set up with a standard action pistol scenario.

Richmond has the best shooters in the area and some of their names show up in national and international competition. They also host the Bay Bridge Classic which works with Target contributing to Toys for Tots.

The range at the south end of San Jose, the Livermore range, the Lions Club in San Leandro are all marksmanship as far as I know. Maybe some bowling pin, etc. Likewise the indoor ranges in San Jose and Milpitas.

Check out the web sites for more info.

bergmen
December 31, 2011, 08:36 PM
Well, here's the view out my back door in northern California:

http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/48942/2239879480053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

With a job working out of my home at $75.00/hour in a "shall issue" county and having lived here 58 of my 62 years with no debt, I'll stay on my little farm. The less people we have here, the more open space and empty campgrounds I have to enjoy. So call all your friends and encourage them to leave also, I'll wave them goodbye.

It's all good.

Dan

springwalk
December 31, 2011, 08:43 PM
Oregon isnt so great for gun ownership if you value privacy:(. Instead of using the free federal insta-check like most states, Oregon requires you to pay an additional $10 per transaction to the State Police to keep track of what you buy:what: It may be more now as when I last heard they were trying to bump it up to $20 per purchase for the nonsense(record keeping). Just remember, Oregon knows where your at and what firearms you have:uhoh:

TT
December 31, 2011, 08:44 PM
Thanks for the info, Guy.

Guy B. Meredith
December 31, 2011, 08:57 PM
Dan,

There are quite a few good areas in California outside the metro areas, but the proposed ammo laws (did they go into effect?), the extortion of manufacturers in "safety" testing of products, 11 day wait on purchase of firearms, the restrictions on EBRs affect everyone. Then you have to pick your area for CCW.

You can locate your business in Oregon if it's net based, be able to buy "assault weapons", "silencers", full auto, any firearm and the full state is "shall issue". CCW permit holders have just about full freedom on where they can carry (schools included) outside of Federal properties, it's okay to open carry everywhere except certain cities and the CCW gives you pass there, you don't get in trouble for printing as open and CCW are both legal. Many ranges welcome full auto. And on and on.

MyGreenGuns
December 31, 2011, 09:21 PM
I've never lived in CA but wouldnt like to live there.

I carry a loaded gun everywhere, can't do that in CA.

I have a pitbull, cant have one in some places in CA.

When I go shooting, a lot of my friends open up cases that say: "NOT FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA"

I was going to say the weather is nice, but someone posted a pic of snow. It was sunny here today. If I want snow its a 45 min drive to the mountains.

SharpsDressedMan
December 31, 2011, 09:23 PM
Viva la Liberte!

Guy B. Meredith
December 31, 2011, 09:44 PM
springwalk,

From what I understand Vermont, Alaska and Arizona are probably closer to the ultimate, but the step up from California to Oregon or similar is a huge one. The step up to ultimate is smaller.

bergmen
January 1, 2012, 12:25 AM
Dan,

There are quite a few good areas in California outside the metro areas, but the proposed ammo laws (did they go into effect?), the extortion of manufacturers in "safety" testing of products, 11 day wait on purchase of firearms, the restrictions on EBRs affect everyone. Then you have to pick your area for CCW.

You can locate your business in Oregon if it's net based, be able to buy "assault weapons", "silencers", full auto, any firearm and the full state is "shall issue". CCW permit holders have just about full freedom on where they can carry (schools included) outside of Federal properties, it's okay to open carry everywhere except certain cities and the CCW gives you pass there, you don't get in trouble for printing as open and CCW are both legal. Many ranges welcome full auto. And on and on.

I don't disagree with anything you say here. I operate effectively in my business (Mechanical Engineering Consultant) due to high speed internet but my client is in Santa Clara (about a three hour drive away) and I need to be within driving distance for engineering and project reasons. Ukiah is not the end of the world but you can see it from here. I am generally the envy of the project team who wishes they could do what I do.

Personally, while I disdain restrictions (all of them) on RKBA, and actively fight for their reversal (ground is being won as I write this), I have no need for "assault weapons", "silencers", "full auto", etc. Lack of these do not cramp my style although philosophically they are indeed wrong.

California's CCW policies and laws are strong in the 41 out of 58 counties that are "shall issue". I can carry on school grounds, I think unloaded open carry is ridiculous and has no practical use whatsoever. Loaded open carry is still the same as it always was since I was a kid, and is the way it should be.

I am close to huge BLM land parcels, and a great National Forest (Mendocino). This area (and all lands north and west of here) is very pro-gun and pro-hunting.

I guess maybe I am at the age (62) where the firearms restrictions don't bother me as much as someone who is younger. I have my gun safe full of exactly what I want and have no needs. My kids (20, 22, 23) are in the thick of it and bemoan the very laws you speak of here. They may indeed flee the area at some point but we are enjoying ourselves immensly until that time as avid shooting/hunting/reloading/recreational firearms owners.

There is still a lot of this state that needs exploring on my high performance sport touring motorcycle and my wife and I, plus my long time good riding friends plan several expeditions each year to do so. My pilots license needs renewing and this excellent weather area is the ideal place to make that happen. I could make a few more parachute jumps before I leave this earth also, again, right here.

As I said, it's all good.

Dan

KAS1981
January 1, 2012, 12:43 AM
Yeah, the $10 background check is bunk.

If the OSP tried going to $20, I think the gun shops would revolt.

Guy B. Meredith
January 1, 2012, 01:16 AM
Dan,

I lived in Contra Costa county which is a "issue if you kiss my political behind big time, but more likely never" county.

I am primarily a revolver shooter with interest in marksmanship and action sports and use a shotgun for self defense. I may never carry concealed and might only carry open in the field. I have little use even for semi autos let alone full auto, though I have a soft spot for M1 Garands and Ruger .22 cal pistols.

However, I have a real problem with waiting for the next shoe to drop every time I turn around. Particularly when the laws are based on very elitist views. It is very refreshing to feel that I don't have to worry about a next shoe and am free to expand my interests without going through a minefield of regulation.

The ammo and brass ID type laws would be the only ones that would affect me directly. Extreme of that is my fear the idiots will realize that revolvers don't leave discarded brass at crime scenes and decide only semis are permitted to ensure evidence is left.

JTHunter
January 1, 2012, 01:27 AM
You guys are something else. For all your bitching and moaning about how bad things are/were in California, at least you had SOME form of carry that some of you were able to use. Compare that to those of us stuck here in the heartland where we have an entire state as crooked as "mdi's" description of L.A. and we STILL can't carry!

Guy B. Meredith
January 1, 2012, 01:36 AM
I feel for you in Illinois and other equally over regulated states. I am not suggesting California is the worst case--yet--just that they have more than enough arbitrary laws. As Dan says it works for many people as it stands right now. Just limits his options to expand interests. I am just through dealing with elitist politicians who think they know what is best for everyone in matters where they are ignorant.

However, carry in metro areas of California is very limited. Issuing of concealed carry permits is under arbitrary control of local sheriffs and many of the more populated areas do not issue. This left the ridiculous option of empty open carry--great way to become a target. Now it looks like the open empty carry will be limited to long arms.

Twiki357
January 1, 2012, 01:50 AM
I'll cry a tear for you guys.
Happy New Year from the free (Brady rated ZERO) state of Arizona.

Dnaltrop
January 1, 2012, 02:05 AM
Happy New Year, Neighbor. Glad the "adjustment" wasn't painful ;)

And yes, the Anti-california thing goes back Decades. Tom McCall- Welcome to Oregon, but please don't stay ( paraphrased)

The usual argument you get from deeply-rooted locals is "I couldn't afford to buy the house I grew up in today" because inflated values on homes sold down south allowed transplants to drive up real estate higher than local wages at an astronomical speed.

My Folk's house in 1976... $34,000. Today they could realistically see 650-800k or more. GREAT for them... But If I wanted to live anywhere near my old digs, I'd be in the 500k+ range minimum. I'm lucky to have a house on the outskirts but not in a High-crime area.

The other thing that drives us nuts are transplants who move up here then try to change everything to match what they left down south, and comment constantly on how great things were back there... Why'd Ya leave, and why are you trying to re-create it here???

Thank god enough of them house hunt at the beginning of summer... It's like a trap-door spider, everything looks great then **BANG**... the 9 months of grey overcast drives a good portion of them back south :D

Oddly enough, I never hear a Gun owning transplant saying ANYTHING fond about California... Save for In-n-Out. We have Burgerville though.. and Five guys moving in :D

As a child of a family who has been here since the mid 1800's (not even counting the ship captains out of Astoria) I officially welcome any further firearm-refugees to the land of sanity.

PS- Married a California transplant myself... But she's been here since age 4, better at hiding it :D

Guy B. Meredith
January 1, 2012, 02:49 AM
Thanks. My father was born in Dillard and some of the family is still in the Medford and Eugene areas. I found out there are some distant cousins, too, that I didn't know. I intend to look them up.

My wife and I have been scoping out all parts of Oregon and some of Washington for a few years, but I'd never brought the guns along. On one of our early visits I dropped into a gun shop on the edge of downtown Salem and casually asked about purchase. When he said there was not a waiting period and all that chalked up a big gold star on my list, but I was not aware of the total picture. Of course it has changed as California has increased their nanny provisions.

I have seen a message from an SF expat inviting her friends to join her in Portland and make it a new SF. Turned my stomach as one SF is enough. If I move to a new location I figure I become part of the preexisting community rather than being arrogant and telling the locals how is should be.

I am very sensitive to the disruption of the local economies by Californians. In our case the economic timing was bad. I was laid off and decided to go to retirement, we sold the house before it went under but came out with zilch so we are operating on a level with the local Oregon economy.

Nushif
January 1, 2012, 01:38 PM
I am very sensitive to the disruption of the local economies by Californians. In our case the economic timing was bad. I was laid off and decided to go to retirement, we sold the house before it went under but came out with zilch so we are operating on a level with the local Oregon economy.

This is coming from one of the un/underemployed OR types ... Thank you for even aknowledging it exists.

BP44
January 1, 2012, 01:59 PM
Welcome to the Greatest state out west:D All of the transplant talk I would have to agree with. I am happy for your new found freedom

Guy B. Meredith
January 1, 2012, 02:03 PM
Yeah. I became aware of what goes on outside my California bubble when I stayed in Oklahoma for a while twenty years ago.

Kjay
January 1, 2012, 03:35 PM
I'll be joining the ranks of former Californians escaping to Oregon this year. Left Portland 26 years ago in order to provide for the family but can now retire and come back. Looking forward to the rain! :D

rromeo
January 1, 2012, 03:53 PM
California wouldn't be so bad if everybody from the east coast didn't keep moving in.

mwsenoj
January 1, 2012, 04:00 PM
If it weren't for my great family, loyal friends, close knit church, dream job, and country ranch with a 400 yd range and backstop I would move to Arizona :)
I am still bitter at my 10rd Glock mags tho D:

mdi
January 1, 2012, 04:31 PM
Actually CA would be a pretty good place to live except for the tumors that are poisoning the whole state (L.A., Bay Area, Sac., mebbe San Diego too). My original plans were to move to N. CA, Fortuna area, but after the last election, I just kept looking north...

Not just an out-of-state complainer. Born and raised in L.A. County. Grew up in So. Central L.A. Worked for the City of Los Angeles for 25+ years. I know the good and the bad about the state. I'd like to see the State of Jefferson movement come up again, I'd vote for it.

Guy B. Meredith
January 1, 2012, 05:03 PM
I could really go for Morro Bay/San Luis Obispo after spending time there at the International Revolver Championship and some personal holidays. Can't afford it, though, and still have the SF influence and silly gun laws.

Hogue sponsors a great action shooting range at the Sportsmen's range just north of SLO.

bergmen
January 1, 2012, 08:09 PM
You guys are something else. For all your bitching and moaning about how bad things are/were in California, at least you had SOME form of carry that some of you were able to use. Compare that to those of us stuck here in the heartland where we have an entire state as crooked as "mdi's" description of L.A. and we STILL can't carry!

Here is what a California CCW license looks like (I've rubbed out the numbers, my last name and address):

http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/45984/2410319320053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

Our Sheriff (Tom Allman) thanks us for having a license each time he sees us. He always asks if we are carrying at the moment and scolds us if we are not.

Gotta love it.

Dan

Jeff F
January 1, 2012, 09:08 PM
However, the icing on the cake for me was the OJ incident. When they failed to convict a guilty man I could not believe my eyes and ears. And when I talked to people from CA about it I realized that is no place I ever want to live.

Well we got the Juice over here in Lovelock and he ain't getting out any time soon, so at least theres partial justice.

I to am a California eject, same boat just to a different state. Nevada is pretty gun friendly and I'm proud to live here.

Guy B. Meredith
January 1, 2012, 10:54 PM
Dan,

I would love to have traded sheriffs with Mendocino County when I lived in Contra Costra county. There are a number of counties that amount to "shall issue", but most are in the rural areas--probably where they are least needed.

I was looking for a photo of the Marion County (Salem) permit but cannot find one. The application does not ask the number or kinds of firearms. I'll have to go ahead and get a permit to see what it's all about.

Another interesting item is that with the permit there are almost no restrictions on transportation. Carry of loaded firearms in plain sight in a vehicle is legal for everyone other than in some cities that have their own regs, but the CHL over rides all local regulations.

Mauser lover
January 2, 2012, 12:33 AM
ApacheCoTodd,

Movie???? I am not sure what you are talking about....

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