Glock 19 vs beretta 92


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lobo9er
December 31, 2011, 08:17 PM
Which 9mm? Both have pre-ban mags, glock with the largest capacity, I think. Never really heard bad stuff about either guns, only criticism of the caliber. Just window shopping on the internet. But, if I owned either. purpose would be for fun, maybe occasional *ground hog.

*Ground hogs are always a justifiable reason for a new gun.

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Bovice
December 31, 2011, 08:30 PM
Have you shot either one of them yet?

jackpinesavages
December 31, 2011, 08:31 PM
I had an Italian 92 and have a 19 as my duty carry. You might see more than 1 groundhog so you should get both! :D

Loved the 92. Love the 19 more, for it's ease of maintenance and light weight. Get both if you can.

lobo9er
December 31, 2011, 08:38 PM
Never shot either. Handled a couple 92's, for what ever thats worth. Felt good. One was an Italian which I was told was the way to go with the 92's, by the clerk.

lobo9er
December 31, 2011, 08:40 PM
Figured its one of those get both scenarios's. :) The wieght and thickness is a strike against the 92. But the 92's sure make it up in looks.

jackpinesavages
December 31, 2011, 08:46 PM
Yes, I am in the process of wrangling an old Beretta mini-Cougar in 9mm away from a co-worker, Italian born. They seem to have been treated better at birth in Italia.

Girodin
December 31, 2011, 08:54 PM
If I could only have one I'd rather have a G19. Nothing wrong with a Beretta though.

There are 4 9mm handguns that are guns that I feel are worth owning just to own them

1. G17
2. Sig 226
3. Beretta 92
4. Hi power

None are my favorite 9mm and none are the gun I would own if I could only have one 9mm. If I could only have one it would be a G19. However, that is for my uses and preferences. If you don't need lots of aftermarket stuff then look at a Steyr M9A1. I like my steyrs more than my glocks. I do like the stronger aftermarket support that glocks have though.

Shipwreck
December 31, 2011, 09:03 PM
I hate Berettas. I do not understand why anyone likes them... :neener:

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loper
December 31, 2011, 09:33 PM
I shoot the M9 a lot on the military side, and I have a 92FS for my daily carry piece.
Accurate, reliable, does everything I ask of it.
I can't site anything wrong with the Glock, I just don't care for them.

lobo9er
December 31, 2011, 09:38 PM
you don't need more than a 9. I agree.

ORHunter79
December 31, 2011, 10:47 PM
Glock 19 I love. The 92 I don't. Been shooting it for 13 years. It is accurate, that I'll give it. Reliable, not so much. AND before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, I've shot and watched probably over 300-400 M9's over the years. The locking block has a habit of breaking and it will jam due to various reasons. Though I will say, I've never seen one jam due to a limp wrist, like a Glock. So.....not sure if that helps.

jmr40
December 31, 2011, 10:49 PM
Both have pre-ban mags, glock with the largest capacity, I think.

Both the G19 and Beretta come with 15 round mags standard. You can easily use 17 round G-17 mags or the 33 round G-18 mags in any of the Glocks however.

Both are good guns. The Glock is much smaller for carry and has equal mag capacity. I don't like to straddle the fence normally, but both are very good, just very different. You just have to decide which features are more important to you. I prefer the Glock, but if issued a Beretta, I'd use it with confidence.

jackpinesavages
December 31, 2011, 10:57 PM
HAH!! Shipwreck! Just the 92 expert I was thinking of, with your beautiful array. Perhaps you could tutor on the 92 differences in build?

kimura
December 31, 2011, 11:38 PM
Never shot either. Handled a couple 92's, for what ever thats worth. Felt good. One was an Italian which I was told was the way to go with the 92's, by the clerk.
Shoot both extensively, then decide.

holdencm9
January 1, 2012, 12:08 AM
For the purposes of fun and ground hog I'd say definitely go 92FS. It is just such a sweet, soft shooter. To me, it is more fun than a G19. Both are supremely accurate and BOTH are extremely reliable, don't listen to anyone who says otherwise.

If you get a later Gen3 or Gen4 Glock 19 it may shoot brass in your face so keep that in mind, you may need to send for a new ejector.

ugaarguy
January 1, 2012, 12:32 AM
Lobo, what other handguns do you own / have you owned? What do you / did you like & dislike about each?

You've chosen a somewhat apples to oranges comparison. Do you want a hammer fired, DA/SA pistol with a slide mounted safety / decocker; or do you want a light DAO, striker fired pistol, with no manual safety? Glocks also have a little steeper grip angle than most other pistols. For some folks this makes them point very naturally, and for others very unnaturally.

Both are great guns, but the feature sets are a little different. Get whichever one points best in your hand, feels best in your hand, and has the controls / features you like best.

USAF_Vet
January 1, 2012, 12:39 AM
I used the M9 in the Air Force, and prefer it over the Glock. But in reality, they are so different, it's hard to adequately compare the two. My personal preference is for the 92, and a lot of that is due to my familiarity with the weapon. The Glocks I've handled just didn't feel right. I'm not a fan of the trigger safety, for one. The grip angle is another minus for me. I'd buy a Beretta 92, but I'd only ever buy a Glock if I found an insanely good deal on it, and I'd probably turn around and flip it for a profit if I thought I could.

ChCx2744
January 1, 2012, 12:48 AM
I like both. I own both. I like to carry the G19 better than the 92, but I like shooting the 92 more. I can shoot well with both, but the 92 seems a bit more accurate.

RUT
January 1, 2012, 12:55 AM
>>If 9mm was inadequate the armed services wouldn't use it so widely.<<

Actually, I think they're now wishing they weren't. ;) (our military, that is)

Shipwreck
January 1, 2012, 01:02 AM
Both the G19 and Beretta come with 15 round mags standard. You can easily use 17 round G-17 mags or the 33 round G-18 mags in any of the Glocks however.

There are now 17 round factory mags, as well as a 30 round factory mag. So, this being the reason for the Glock over the Beretta is a wash. However, pick the gun you like. Both are great!

I personally prefer a DA/SA> With a D spring in my 92, the DA pull is just over 8lbs, and the SA pull is just over 4lbs. So, the 1st DA shot is not bad at all. But a long enough pull to keep me honest. To each his own...

I have owned 5 Glocks since 1993. I have zero now, with no plans to buy another. However, I have eight 92s and a PX4, with plans to buy 1 or 2 more 92's. It's my perfect gun...

Shipwreck
January 1, 2012, 01:10 AM
I've shot and watched probably over 300-400 M9's over the years. The locking block has a habit of breaking and it will jam due to various reasons.



One of the main issues people always jump to is how they always see problems with the Beretta M9 in the military. Now, I am not the first to point this out - but military armorers typically DO NOT do preventive maintenance. They don't change the recoil spring every 3-5k. They don't change the trigger return spring every 5k. They do not change the locking block every 15-20k. The gun just keeps going until something breaks. Then, it’s called “a piece of crap”

Numerous military guys have jumped in on past threads on this very topic (on various forums). They state that there is no procedure for tracking fired rounds through M9s. So – if ya don't change the recoil spring at all... EVER... You probably WILL crack a locking block way before the 20k round lifetime. Changing the recoil spring to prevent that is a must.

92s in civilian hands tend to do much better. Are there always gonna be examples of guns not working... Yea. But, I see plenty of Glock problems over the years reported by police agencies and on forums. Nothing is perfect.

My suggestion to the original poster.... Find a way to compare both pistols back to back (rent them if ya have to), and get the one ya like. Both are great guns. There is NO "best" gun.. Only what's best for you.

I've owned pretty much everything at 1 point or another. Right now, the 92 platform is my favorite...

miles1
January 1, 2012, 09:10 AM
I have a Glock 17 and M9 beretta,As its been said before;they are not really comparable IMO.I would shoot both before deciding.Both are excellent guns that are very reliable and worth every penny.If i could only pick one?Beretta.

ojibweindian
January 1, 2012, 09:14 AM
Based soley on personal preference, I'd choose a G19 over a 92FS. I don't like DA/SA triggers.

Rob96
January 1, 2012, 09:16 AM
I carried the M9 as an Air Force SP. Since my time in the military I have been through a vast array of pistols seeing which is the one for ME. For me, the G19 is what I shoot best. You really need to get range time with both to see which works for you.

HKGuns
January 1, 2012, 09:30 AM
Beretta, Pre-Ban mags? How is that a consideration? The ban is over.

lemaymiami
January 1, 2012, 09:47 AM
Here's a vote for the Beretta.... I've only handled and shot an older European version (the one with the bottom mag release - this was in the mid eighties..). I was able to get the weapon issued to me (police impound, coverted to City ownership instead of destruction). I carried that weapon for about six years until we were finally issued new Sigs in 40 cal. At the range it was the most accurate (for me, a slightly above average pistol shooter) handgun I ever qualified with -- and it was a pleasure to do all the high count range excercises with. That old gun would definitely give you a high chance of an accidental discharge if dropped - so I made certain never to do that.... I don't know when Beretta cured that problem (second, third generation?). It was cured long before the military chose them in competitive trials.

Since I'm a guy who figures a handgun is what you use if you can't find something better.... Most of my serious combat oppotunities were with a shotgun, but that old Beretta gave me piece of mind in the sidearms category the entire time that I had it. By the way, the bottom magazine release never caused the slightest problem in high stress timed exercises. Over the years I did see an occasional real world shooting where one side or the other inadvertently disabled their own weapon by dropping the mag under pressure... with that same mag release that everyone favors today.

Can't say a word about the Glock since I've never owned one. If I were to buy a Beretta today, I think I'd want the on in .40 cal....

PRM
January 1, 2012, 10:16 AM
I have had considerable experience with both guns. Both are performers and do what they are designed to do. The Glock would probably take more abuse and keep on firing ~ but, who intentionally abuses their gun. I personally like the external hammer on the Beretta. Both are good designs, I just have always liked guns with an external hammer. The Glock 19 because of its size and shape would be easier, at least for me, to carry and conceal. Although, with a proper holster, the 92 works as well.

Both are great 9mms. Just depends on what you like.

sigbear
January 1, 2012, 10:33 AM
I like both, except, I would buy the 92FS and a Walther P99 AS in place of the G19 only because "I shoot it better" I used my 92FS mostly for target shooing and the P99 for EDC, that said the G19 is still a great gun.

Sigbear

guyfromohio
January 1, 2012, 10:34 AM
I have both and love both. I shoot the M9 better, but conceal the 19 more effectively.

To clarify.... I enjoy the feel of the M9 more than the G19, but the target is pretty consistent with both. The gen4 grip is a VAST improvement and the recoil dampener works well. I'm not a huge Glock trigger fan, but it works as designed. You really can't lose with either.

Hk Dan
January 1, 2012, 10:41 AM
Both good guns and I have owned them both. The Beretta will not make a good carry gun due to size and the location of the safety, but it will make a fantastic range gun. Very accurate (much more so than the G19, which isn't half bad in it's own right.

I would do the GLOCK, but my guns are defensively focused.

highlander 5
January 1, 2012, 10:44 AM
I've had both and have to admit the 92 fits my hand better. I have 2 right now an Italian made and 1 from Maryland and the differences between them are minor. Side note I'm a better shot with my CZ 75 than my 92s. As others have said you have to pick whats right for you. If you have a range that rents guns go there and rent the 2 pistols and fire 50-100 rds thru each. Another thing that hasn't been mentioned is the after market parts for Glocks,all kinds of stuff including metal frames made fom aluminium,SS and when available Titanium.

Shipwreck
January 1, 2012, 11:05 AM
Beretta, Pre-Ban mags? How is that a consideration? The ban is over.

Not in all states. The federal ban is over. Some states have continued the ban...


That old gun would definitely give you a high chance of an accidental discharge if dropped - so I made certain never to do that...

Yes, you had a really old 92 version... Current versions of the 92FS have a drop safety. And, this was one test the military did, as I remember reading about it. The guns won't go off now.


The Beretta will not make a good carry gun due to size and the location of the safety

I've been carrying a fullsize 92 for like 26 months straight now. IWB at 3 o'clock is the only way I can do it, but it isn't hard. I do it even in the summer... And, I'm not a huge guy (6'1" and 185lbs)

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SpentCasing
January 1, 2012, 01:55 PM
Both are fantastic guns and either would serve you well. I own both, carried both, and have shot them both extensively. That said they are 2 different systems.

My G19 is my carry gun and all-around defensive duty, however there really is nothing the G19 does that my Beretta wouldnt. If there is no chance for CC Id say go with the Beretta but the G19 is as good as it gets for all-around gun. Youre picking my top 2 favorites and really cant go wrong with either.

Both are also equally reliable for me. Its gonna boil down to trigger and size/weight preference and thats for you to decide.

golden
January 1, 2012, 06:42 PM
I have carried the BERETTA 96 (yes, I know the 96 is a .40 S&W caliber) and GLOCK 19 on duty and trust both of them.

However, they are as different as night and day.

Both are very reliable and easy to shoot. The BERETTA is more accurate by a noticable margin. I favor the BERETTA 92D Compact and 92D Vertec for general shooting and as a house gun with a light attached.

The GLOCK 19 is just as reliable and MUCH LIGHTER.

For concealed carry, the GLOCK 19 set a standard with 4 inch barrel, 5 inch height and 21 ounce weight (emty) and simple method of operation when it was introduced.
I considered it to be the best concealed carry, general use gun back then. It now has a lot of competition, but is still very good.

The BERETTA 92 is a very traditional 9m.m. and quite a bit larger in the full size gun. The Compact model lowers the overal height, but the BERETTA 92 is still longer and heavier.

At the end of a day, the extra weight of the BERETTA is noticable.

I would shoot both and then decide. I like the GLOCK 19 for concealed carry and several of my other guns are in this size class like the SIG 225 and WALTHER P-99.
I also prefer this size gun for a car gun over the bulkier BERETTA 92 full size.

I use a 92 as my house gun. The heavier gun and small increase in bulk are more than offset by the increased control and accuracy.

Good luck,

Jim

sgtstryker
January 1, 2012, 09:09 PM
I appreciate the 92 as an excellent pistol. I have owned a 92S and a 92FS over the years and enjoyed shooting both. It is a large pistol, somewhat hard to conceal in warm climates. The Glock 19 is about, well, perfect, in size and firepower, IMO. My 84B is an excellent .380, no bias here.

firesky101
January 1, 2012, 09:50 PM
If you live in a state like mine, and i think you do. Get the glock if you want mag capacity. 33round pre bans i dont think berreta 30's are. Of course i must remind you acuiring new hi-caps is illegal, so you already own them right;)

918v
January 1, 2012, 10:02 PM
There are several revisions of the Beretta locking block, the latest said to be the most durable. New 92's have plastic controls, including the safety, trigger, mag release, and slide release- something you may not like. The 92 is more accurate than the Glock by a wide margin. It shoots lead reloads without leading and with excellent accuracy. No need for a replacement barrel.

351 WINCHESTER
January 1, 2012, 10:37 PM
I had a 92 and it was way too big for a 9mm. Can't say much good about my glock 19 as it's back to glock for the second time due to stovepipe and brass to my face. I'm really liking my brownings much better now.

918v
January 1, 2012, 10:38 PM
You need a good 9mm, like s Sig P210.

greenlion
January 1, 2012, 11:05 PM
Don't have time to read the entire thread, but if no one has mentioned it yet, Hickok45 did a good comparison of exactly these two pistols on Youtube, if I am remembering correctly.

Nordeste
January 2, 2012, 10:31 AM
I've been carrying the 92 on a daily basis for the last five years, shoot it regularly, and love it to bits. One of my supervisors has a G19 and carries it (supervisors are allowed to purchase and carry the firearm of their choice here, as long as it is a 9mm and use issued ammo). I have shot it a couple of times. It's a 3rd Gen. I liked it, honestly. Shot it well enough, although not as well as I shoot my 92. I'll probably shoot her better with some practice, but I prefer the cleaner, crisper trigger of the Beretta and its superior accuracy. An extra inch of barrel is a nice thing to have. The Glock will be more comfortable to carry, for sure, but the Beretta rides on my hip in a good holster that I can rotate to sit down inside the car, no problems.

For range or HD use, would pick the Beretta any day. For concealed carry, the Glock, hands down.

lobo9er
January 2, 2012, 11:25 AM
The ban is over
The Ban is very much alive in NY. 10 rounds on all new production.

357SIG
January 2, 2012, 11:47 AM
I have 2 92FSs and a G19. Overall, I prefer the Beretta, and the 19 sits in the safe. I would agree that the 19 is better for CC, though the 92 isn't too hard to conceal. (The nicely rounded-off rear of the slide helps a lot.)

The clerk at your shop is an idiot. There is no reason to worry about Italian vs. a US-made model at all. It is just plain stupid. Oh, one of my 92s is Italian, while the other is American, and there is no quality difference.

ATLDave
January 2, 2012, 11:51 AM
A more appropriate comparisson, IMO, would be Glock 17 vs. the 92/M9. The Beretta is a full-size service weapon. The G19 is a mid-size gun. So, naturally, the Beretta is larger.

wford
January 2, 2012, 02:20 PM
I have a 92fs Inox Beretta and love it. It is very accurate and a beautiful gun. It fits well in my large hands and the shooting is very smooth, far smoother than the Taurus replica of the 92 I shot. I love this gun, but I do not much care for the trigger on any of the 92's I have shot, but I got used to them and you would too if you decided on the 92. A little bit too long of a pull for me, still. Also at least 5k rounds through this gun and not 1 malfunction whatsoever.
My range buddy has the glock you're looking at. It isn't as smooth as the Beretta, and far uglier. My large hands don't fit the glock as well either, all this considered I still love the gun. It is lightweight, accurate, and reliable.
If i was you and getting the gun for home use i would get the beretta. It is bigger and heavier than the glock but for me the fluidity of shooting it and it's aesthetic qualities make it the better gun FOR ME if I wasn't going to carry it.
If I was going to carry the gun I would choose the Glock. Don't worry too much about your decision, you will be happy with either gun and both are very capable.

Onmilo
January 2, 2012, 05:30 PM
I own both.
If I was forced to own but one,
It would be the Glock 19.

Skribs
January 2, 2012, 05:52 PM
For me, the Glock fits what I want better, because it is a pistol with no manual safety, and (unless you carry C&L) every shot has a consistent trigger pull.

I think if I were in charge of some sort of unit that had to issue guns, though, I would go with something more along the lines of a Beretta, just to have a standard gun but give my people the option.

easyg
January 3, 2012, 01:15 AM
Glock 19.

RinkRat
January 3, 2012, 02:15 AM
If I had to pick one of those two I'd pick the G19.

ROCK6
January 3, 2012, 04:41 AM
The two are quite a bit different. Like many who have served, I’ve been carrying a 92F for the past 20+ years and currently have one with me in Afghanistan. It’s a solid, full-sized and reliable 9mm. I’ve never experience anything wrong with it and always qualify expert on the standard range; the Army MP’s range is much more interactive and more of a challenge.

As a range gun, you would probably get more enjoyment out of the 92F as the Glock 19 just isn’t sexy to most people. With that said, the Glock 19 and 26 are my most carried concealed handguns. The Glock 19 as mentioned isn’t really a full-sized pistol and consequentially is easier to conceal. I don’t think there’s much difference between the two for practical accuracy, but I haven’t really bench tested either.

My only complaint with the 92F series is the safety location. I really don’t like frame-mounted safeties. When doing drills, I always rack the slide with my whole palm and on more than one occasion, I’ve raked the safety down on the Beretta without knowing and couldn’t figure out why it didn’t go bang when I pulled the trigger; quite embarrassing! It’s more a training issue for me, but annoying if you consistently operate a different platform (Glock, Sig, etc). Still, with over 30 semi-autos, I don’t own a 92F, but I need to. With well over $500 in holster systems and a dozen magazines, I need to fill that gap :D

ROCK6

LTR shooter
January 3, 2012, 04:43 AM
But, if I owned either. purpose would be for fun, maybe occasional *ground hog.

The Glocks have been the least fun to shoot semi-auto pistols I have ever fired. The Berettas fit me much better so I would go with one of them.
Shoot both types of pistols and see which you like best.

fpgt72
January 3, 2012, 11:05 AM
It is all going to come down to you. For me the glock just does not feel good in my hand, the beretta while a little fat for me just feels better. I have owned a 92fs for better part of 15 years. Used in in bowling pin shoots, steel...you name it...and never a problem.

holdencm9
January 3, 2012, 10:47 PM
The Glocks have been the least fun to shoot semi-auto pistols I have ever fired. The Berettas fit me much better so I would go with one of them.
Shoot both types of pistols and see which you like best.

Yes for the stated purposes I think the Beretta wins hands down, which was why I put my vote in for it. A lot of people seem to be bringing up concealed carry or aftermarket parts or mag capacity. None of those things would seem to matter for the intended purpose(s). If there was a chance the OP would use it for concealed carry down the road, I'd lean toward the G19, depending on how high the chance of carry is. But I do still think the general consensus that you can't go wrong with either is pretty spot on.

War Eagle
January 5, 2012, 10:20 AM
I prefer Glock for it's simplicity, relativity, and I like the ergonomics on it. That being said, a Glock does not fit in some peoples hands well. I've owned a 92fs and sold it in 2 weeks. There are too many controls on the gun and the trigger pull, in my opinion, is long. The Beretta is reliable though and pretty accurate so it's no slouch, just big and lots going on.

Hold both guns and choose the best fitting one. Both will serve you well. After making the purchase...shoot it a lot.

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