Finally: taking out .300 H&H Mag.


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talldragon
January 2, 2012, 09:00 AM
Going this morning to see how this rifle shoots (Savage 110e, 24" bbl, 5-20X50 Tasco ((I know :rolleyes: )) scope on 1" Weaver rings).

I don't care for plastic stocks, but this one has a custom recoil pad mounted and the barrel has been "magnaported". Not sure how this will help, previous owner said it is LOUD :eek:.

I just want to see if it is worth it to keep the rifle in this chambering, or to save up and change it over to a more popular cartridge.

I have all the reloading supplies to load for the current chambering.

Hopefully no mis-fires..... I bought Hornady http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=560248

I will post pics later when I get back from the range.
trying for zero @ 200 yds. :)

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SaxonPig
January 2, 2012, 10:20 AM
Unless you need absolutely EVERY last bit of velocity the H&H will do anything that any of the more modern 300s will do. And H&H sounds cool when you say it.

Most manufacturers use a 26" on the 300 H&H. Any magnum will lose a bit of velocity with a 2" reduction in barrel length.

Zeke/PA
January 2, 2012, 11:00 AM
I think that you will be very satisfied with the .300 H&H chambering, capable, in a good rifle, of very good accuracy and performance in the hunting arena.

talldragon
January 3, 2012, 01:28 AM
Sorry for the delay. There was some travel involved.

@SaxonPig : You are correct sir, it is a 26" barrel.

Was able to get some cold bore shots in before realizing the scope was set at 20X (way to fuzzy for me).
Corrected that to 5X. Much better :). Started out @ 100 yds, but was shooting a little high. Switched over to 250 Yds and it was dead on for elevation.
Windage is another story. Had to hold a little to the left and down to get those shots (no wind, btw).
Also, since this rifle has been sitting in the rsc since 2009, I never pulled the caps off the scope. Duplex reticle is a new one for me.....Not really sure how to properly take advantage of this feature (if it is one).
Anyway, after 29 rounds; I had to stop.
M pro7 saved the day...very sticky bolt when closing all the way or extracting a round.
Overall, very nice rifle.. :D:cool:
Oh, pics........

ETA: Hornady ammo functioned flawlessly :D

talldragon
January 3, 2012, 01:33 AM
Sorry for the attachments :o .
^^^The handloads pictured above worked even better than the factory ones. Not sure why..

joed
January 3, 2012, 06:31 AM
I've owned a .300 H&H for about 10 years, it's a great cartridge. The finer points are brass lasts forever, some of the brass I have is on the 3rd firing and still does not need trimmed. Recoil is not as bad as comparable cartridges. I sold a 7mm RM because that rifle kicked worse then the .300.

Savage99
January 3, 2012, 12:54 PM
To: joed,

You wrote: "I've owned a .300 H&H for about 10 years, it's a great cartridge. The finer points are brass lasts forever, some of the brass I have is on the 3rd firing and still does not need trimmed. Recoil is not as bad as comparable cartridges. I sold a 7mm RM because that rifle kicked worse then the .300."

I don't agree that the brass lasts long at all. The cartridge cannot headspace on its shoulder well and therefore the webs thin and the case has to be scrapped.

Also the cartridge is longer and needs a heavier special action.

The 300 WSM is a better round and so is the 30-06 for that matter.

Its nice to say that you have one however as to the uninformed it has an unearned reputation.

talldragon
January 4, 2012, 02:48 AM
Well, there is a lot of info out there about this cartridge; even with my average "googlefu" :)

http://www.reloadersnest.com/article_300hh_oct2803.asp

Old article, but interesting. Also, this one
http://http://www.chuckhawks.com/300Holland.htm
(truncated article, subscription required :uhoh:)

Of course there is always
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.300_H%26H_Magnum

For me, actually taking it out and shooting it was my goal for final research.
I guess "T&E" and see if it's at all worthwhile to keep the rifle in it's current configuration or convert it to a more popular caliber (within long-action chamberings).

I think hand loading some of the empties I have with a heavier bullet, maybe 200-220 grn. and see how that performs.

This rifle will not see a hunting season until everything works to my satisfaction :D . I do like what I have seen so far with the 180 grainers..... :cool:

willypete
January 4, 2012, 06:30 AM
Its nice to say that you have one however as to the uninformed it has an unearned reputation.

Yeowch. Don't spare the man your feelings.

Seems like it wouldn't still exist almost 100 years after being introduced if it didn't have something going for it.

P-32
January 4, 2012, 07:58 AM
The cartridge cannot headspace on its shoulder well


Hmmmm...... maybe just maybe this why the 300 H&H has a belt. Oh wait, the 300 H&H does head space on the belt.

Also the cartridge is longer and needs a heavier special action.

Well darn, I guess I need to get rid of my Pre 64 Mdl 70 300 H&H. The 300 H&H does take a mag action. But it's not alone.

The 300 WSM is a better round and so is the 30-06 for that matter.

'06 a better round? Ya smokin Crack? Until the 300 WSM wins the Wimbleton at Perry like the 300 H&H did I doubt it shoots as well or someone would be shooting it.

Its nice to say that you have one however as to the uninformed it has an unearned reputation.

Ahhh, Take your own advice? Have you checked 300 H&H data against 300 Win Mag data? You will find the 300 H&H will drive some bullets a little faster than the 300 Win Mag and use less powder doing it. The 300 H&H is efficient in its powder use. It takes more powder to out run the 300 H&H in the belted brass magmums. Once you get into the heavy 30 caliber bullets the other 300’s can’t keep up with the 300 H&H for the most part. Until 1963, the 300 H&H was the 30 caliber mag.

Checking your 300 WSM agsinst 300H&H data it appears there were some gains made by the WSM. However again there was no reference to the WSM being a accurate round. Now I know the WSM should be but I have not seen it yet. The accuracy of the 300H&H is well documented. It has also taken every beast on the earth. The 300 H&H appears to have a milder recoil than the others according to my shoulder.

BrocLuno
January 4, 2012, 12:59 PM
Yeah, I agree. It's on my short list of heavier calibers along with it's big brother - 375 H&H. Any round that has been there and done that as long as these two, must have some inherent advantage? It seems that the others are trying to duplicate the numbers or "gee whiz" the market into thinking they are better, but they are not.

It's like the 303 (not really, but bear with me :) ) in that it does a lot of things well and it's on the shelf in a lot of places. It's a known accurate round, it has manageable recoil for a heavy 30, it can be readily reloaded for improved accuracy for the rifle at hand, and folks are still making guns chambered for the round. They would not do that if it were not viable :)

It may out-live a lot of other "super duper let's see what we can do to confuse the market rounds" that are on the shelves. Gee, wonder who will still be on the market in another 50 years?

SaxonPig
January 4, 2012, 02:04 PM
Savage99- Weeeeelll... As one of "uninformed" who believes the 300 H&H is a viable cartridge let me clarify my earlier comment.

The more modern 300s offer more velocity potential. If one feels the need to wring every last foot per second of muzzle velocity in a 30 caliber rifle then there are better choices than the H&H version.

But I suspect that 98% of us really don't need every last foot per second. The 300 H&H is a powerful 30 caliber. Not as powerful of the more recent 300 Magnums, but it has been getting the job done since 1912 (hey, 100 years) and will continue to do so. I seriously doubt the average shooter will do all that much better with an additional 100-200 FPS and I am fairly confident any animal shot with the H&H will not be able to discern the difference, either.

As for case life, I am unaware of any problems with excessive wear in the H&H shoulder area. On the longer action needed for the H&H, you say that like it's a bad thing. A Magnum Mauser or an elegant single shot like the Ruger #1 is a thing of beauty. Actually, a 300 H&H can be, and has been built on regular length actions. Note the Remington Model 721s and the scads of Mauser 98s running around in this caliber.

rori
January 4, 2012, 10:52 PM
I love the 30/06 but it sure isn't better than a 300 H&H. They are 2 different cartridges designed to do 2 different things and both are great for doing what they were designed for. FRJ

joed
January 5, 2012, 09:45 AM
To: joed,

You wrote: "I've owned a .300 H&H for about 10 years, it's a great cartridge. The finer points are brass lasts forever, some of the brass I have is on the 3rd firing and still does not need trimmed. Recoil is not as bad as comparable cartridges. I sold a 7mm RM because that rifle kicked worse then the .300."

I don't agree that the brass lasts long at all. The cartridge cannot headspace on its shoulder well and therefore the webs thin and the case has to be scrapped.

Also the cartridge is longer and needs a heavier special action.

The 300 WSM is a better round and so is the 30-06 for that matter.

Its nice to say that you have one however as to the uninformed it has an unearned reputation.
I have to disagree with you after 3 firings and brass not even needing trimmed. My opinion is the shallow shoulder helps in this respect. The .300 H&H has been around a long time and has some pretty decent ballistic credentials. It's biggest fault is the length which requires a magnum action, but who cares. The biggest reason manufacturers prefer to not make a long action is profit, not that it's weaker or anything. I haven't found the shallow shoulder to be a detriment other then reading it in print. This round has to headspace on the belt and not the shoulder but it hasn't caused me any problems.

If you compare the H&H to the .300 WM both cases are very close in internal volume with the WM having less then a 2 gr advantage. With a 200 gr bullet the H&H may actually have the edge as the WM and WSM need that bullet to be seated rather deeply in the case. The H&H also runs at less pressure then the WM or the WSM. To be honest looking in my loading manuals the H&H gives up nothing to a WSM with heavy bullets. The H&H really shines when you start talking about 200 gr or heavier bullets.

Look in an older Nosler manual like #4 and there are many loads that can drive a 180 gr bullet over 3000 fps. There's a reason this cartridge is still with us.

Unearned reputation? No, it's reputation is well documented, this cartridge has done a lot in 100 years as others on here have pointed out.

I bought my rifle for hunting and have been very pleased with it's performance.

joed
January 5, 2012, 11:29 AM
talldragon, what are you loading in the H&H? I've shot 165, 180 and 200 gr bullets from mine with all of them producing excellent results on targets. Only powder I've tried so far has been IMR4350. It's worked so well that I have not even considered trying anything else.

When I came across my Remington Classic chambered in .300 H&H there were 2 reasons I bought it. The first is it's a unique cartridge and the second reason was it could easily share powders with my magnum chamberings.

I was pleasantly surprised the first time I fired it. It is accurate with all the bullet weights I tried in it. I think you will be very happy with that cartridge.

LoonWulf
January 5, 2012, 03:14 PM
Thats a nice rifle Dragon, ive always wanted a .300H&H. I think its one of the nicest rounds out there. The reason i see for the H&H eating cases is if the chamber is long the first shot will stretch the web (my old 7mm only took 2 firings to show signs). If you have a tight chamber and or use a modified handloading procedure of going a caliber or so larger then necking back down again on the first firing to get good headspace on the shoulder (as i do with on all my belted rounds now), they should last as long as any other case. The round is as fast or nearly as fast as any of the .300 magnums, short of the real monsters. When properly loaded its much faster then any 06 ive ever seen. It also has an eye pleasing shape if you ask me...just something i like.

talldragon
January 6, 2012, 01:31 AM
@ joed, I have saved all my empties. I have not reloaded any yet, as I have not decided yet what the end purpose of the rifle will be or what average ranges it will be best for. Seems as if it will be worth keeping; especially at ranges exceeding 200yds.
The hand loads in the picture were not loaded by me, but the previous owner. Don't know why they used light bullets (150 grn); this caliber seems better suited to heavier 200+ grn. bullets.

@LoonWulf, I noticed the velocity right away. Although the rifle does kick; I was able to see the impacts before the rifle bucked away from my eye. My rimfires I can set the rifle down and then watch impacts.... What a difference!
With the Magna-ported barrel, this Savage is LOUD. Plugs and muffs when shooting ;).


This rifle was definitely fun to shoot :D. I did let a few other shooters at the range give it a try.
They both said it had too much recoil for them and did not care for the duplex reticle on the Scope :confused: .

ETA: I was wrong about the reticle on this scope. It is a RangeFinder with one horizontal crosshair just below the center horizontal. Somewhat explained here: http://http://www.chuckhawks.com/scope_reticles.htm 7th paragrarph from the top.
Sorry about that :o .

joed
January 6, 2012, 03:57 PM
Now you got me started on the .300 H&H again. I may take mine out this weekend and run a few through it as I think the weather is supposed to warm up.

May ever run a few of these over the chrony as long as weather stays fair.

talldragon
January 7, 2012, 01:22 AM
Joed, If you go out shooting your .300 H&H this weekend; do you mind posting your results here? Especially if you're running hand loads through it :cool:.

I think I am headed over to the accessories section and ask about the scope on mine :confused:.


Thanks to all who read/posted to this thread. It has really helped clarify my opinion; combined with my experience on Monday :).

I had a coworker (a gun nut/hunter) look my rifle over and comment that someone really put some effort and care in the build of this Savage 110e.

Really, all it needs is a sling.....:scrutiny::D.

john wall
January 7, 2012, 02:42 AM
Some one had better bone up on "Thirty-Caliber Magnums, 101".

The Holland does indeed have enough shoulder to head space on. Excessive resizing will move the shoulder back and cause early case separation.

Any bottle necked cartridge can have the same problem.

The Holland will push bullets over 180 gr faster than most other Magnum Thirties with less powder.

The 300 H&H has won world championships, the Short Mag has yet to do this.

Using a Redding Competition Shell Holder set will eliminate head space problems in all bottle necked cartridges.

Arrogance AND ignorance is a terrible combination.:banghead:

joed
January 7, 2012, 11:58 AM
Talldragon, I will indeed post my results but I pretty much know what they will be already. This rifle and me go back 10 years and lots of loaded cartridges. Not to many fired ones though, as I don't have a lot of range time with this rifle, I bought it with the hopes of some larger game hunting.

I'll try the 200 gr Sierras that I have loaded for it today. Wish I could take the camera with me but it's not here. In fact I don't have but one picture of the rifle.

Hopefully nothing has changed as the rifle has been unfired and sitting for 5 years.

The only picture of my .300 H&H. it's the one on the right next to my favorite rifle, a BDL VS in .25-06.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t14/jzurinda/IM000775.jpg

joed
January 7, 2012, 12:03 PM
Some one had better bone up on "Thirty-Caliber Magnums, 101".

The Holland does indeed have enough shoulder to head space on. Excessive resizing will move the shoulder back and cause early case separation.

Any bottle necked cartridge can have the same problem.

The Holland will push bullets over 180 gr faster than most other Magnum Thirties with less powder.

The 300 H&H has won world championships, the Short Mag has yet to do this.

Using a Redding Competition Shell Holder set will eliminate head space problems in all bottle necked cartridges.

Arrogance AND ignorance is a terrible combination.:banghead:

Good info but you'd have to explain the Redding competition shell holder to me. I don't have enough Redding dies, but have had good luck with them.

I think it hit me last night while sitting here bored. The .300 H&H is 100 years old now! After 100 years it is still capable of holding it's own with cartridges that are youngsters. How many other cartridges can you make that same statement about?

And as stated with less powder then the newer cartridges. I've been very pleased with my Remington Classic in .300 H&H, I just wish I could say I used it on large game as that's what I bought it for. And I thought it's history was quite cool.

From the research I've done the H&H is still quite popular in Africa and the .300 is used on plains game.

I think it's a shame that no one chambers this round in a modern rifle anymore but with the economics of producing a long action I understand why?

joed
January 7, 2012, 05:39 PM
Back from a trip to the range today. Little colder and windier then I thought it would be but it was good to get out.

First thing I'll say is I've gotten used to the smaller calibers like the .22-250 after letting this rifle sit for so long. I could feel the thump right through a heavy coat. And this rifle doesn't have a brake or anything.

Today I tried the 200 gr Sierra bullets loaded with IMR4350 that I've had sitting for awhile. You can surely feel a difference between these and the 180 gr. The scope was still spot on which surprised me as it's an old Vari X I Leupold 3x9. No matter what I did today group size was about 3/4". I'm sure I could do better after some more range time. But it was worth it just to get out.

Probably won't get out again till spring so that's my day.

john wall
January 7, 2012, 09:41 PM
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/ShootingCoach/IMG_1785.jpg

Dear Joed

These shell holders are thicker than standard ones, in .002" increments. They keep the sizing die from setting back the shoulder on a bottle necked cartridge any more than is needed for the case to properly chamber.

Finding brass fired in other guns will typically allow you to choose the right shell holder. In your case, run a slightly larger inside neck expander such as a 32 or 8mm caliber in the case neck, and starting with the .010" shell holder, go down using your FL die until round chambers with little or no effort.

Belted Magnums and Rimmed cartridges DO initially headspace on the belt or rim, but after firing, bottle necked rounds should headspace on the shoulder. Sometimes, the chamber is generous on these cartridges, but this gives a little more powder capacity.

Semi-auto and pump rifles should have the shoulder bumped back .001" more than needed to insure proper chambering when the chamber is fouled. Most autos and pumps have little leverage when chambering a round.

I use the Competition Shell Holder set for all my bottle necked rifle rounds.

Even the 30/30 can benefit from greatly increased case life if it is not excessively re sized.

joed
January 7, 2012, 09:59 PM
Thanks John, I'll have to look into that. Amazing, I learned something new today. I'll have to look at picking some of these up. As much as I shoot the H&H though I don't know if I'd benefit. In 10 years I've managed 120 rounds.

I bought a lot of brass when I first bought the gun. Would you believe I have 700 cases? I can't even imagine what that brass costs now.

BrocLuno
January 7, 2012, 10:00 PM
Sounds like a good day out :) I sort of wish I could have gone along. I'd like to "feel the thump" right about now, but I got other issues burning up the clock. Oh well, life has it's ups and downs. Seems like Joed had an up day - good one :)

talldragon
January 8, 2012, 02:06 AM
First of all, Nice rifles joed :cool:.
What type of scope are you using on your .300 H&H?
Also, 3/4" groups are impressive; just wondering what range/distance did you use :confused: ?

@john wall, Thanks for sharing about the shell holders. Learn something new everyday ;):).

@BrocLuno, These H&H Magnums do "thump"...even with magnaport and recoil pad, it lets you know it's there :eek: . Gotta love it :evil:.
PM inbound.

joed
January 8, 2012, 09:29 AM
Thanks talldragon. The scope is an old Vari-X 1 3x9 Leupold that I bought when I got the rifle. I didn't think it would hold up but it has. My range only has 100 yards for rifle as do most around here. I'd kill to have the range in your picture.

After firing this cartridge again I realized I need to go hunting with it. That was the initial plan when I bought it but I've just never gone out. This year I'm going to plan for it as I have a few friends that ask from time to time.

So far I've shot 165 gr Sierras and Noslers, 180 gr Sierras and 200 gr Sierras with it. All seem to shoot just as well, the rifle has showed no preference on what it likes. That 200 gr bullet has some pretty stout recoil, I think I may be able to cut the group down a little more once I get used to the rifle again.

talldragon
January 8, 2012, 10:34 PM
Wow, only 100yds :what:? That projectile is still rising at that point; isn't it :scrutiny: .

I know my rifle was shooting high at the 100yd berm (no apparent wind that day), so I switched (dialed-in scope accordingly) to 250yds and it was dead-on (for elevation only; had to hold slightly left-bottom corner of main crosshairs. Windage is a little off).

The range in the picture is a half day's drive from my house.
There is a gun club owned facility that is only 45 mins. away that goes out to 1000yds; but it is a member only rifle range and not cheap.
Then again, what is anymore :eek:.

I will take the rifle back out in a month or so; maybe more like six weeks.
Hopefully I will know more about the scope by then and how to get it 100% dialed-in (that double-horizontal crosshair baffles me; I asked about it over in accessories).

Maybe we should start a "club" thread just for us .300 H&H Magnum owners.
Can't really be brand specific, a lot of companies have chambered for this round since it was introduced in 1920. Maybe we shoud call it the "Super .30" club? :scrutiny:

Sorry, too much thinking out loud :o. Thanks for your patience all! :)

BrocLuno
January 8, 2012, 11:22 PM
I think an H&H club would be a splendid idea :)

Show pics of the guns, so that those of use with a H&H build coming in the future will have ideas. Range reports and reloading info - all good :)

Dr.Rob
January 9, 2012, 01:59 AM
That 26 inch tube looks looooong. But that 300H&H is one heck of a round. I didn't know Savage made a rifle in that caliber (and I have a Savage in .375 H&H).

joed
January 9, 2012, 02:47 PM
I don't think Savage chambers a rifle in .300 H&H. My guess is that is custom, which in my opinion makes it even neater yet.

Last year I was looking for a .220 Swift from Savage. They no longer make one but can do almost anything within reason from their custom shop.

P-32
January 9, 2012, 07:54 PM
QUESTION?

I have like I posted earlier, A Pre 64 Winny in 300 H&H. I inherited this rifle from my FIL. It is in very good condition but not perfect with normal dents, dings and bluing wear. A buddy did say when he looked at it said he has only seen Win 300H&H rifles in this condition in museums. Jess, My FIL would often complain about guys chasing him around trying to buy it off of him when out hunting. This rifle has not seen a scope or even scope mounts. I would like to at some point hunt with the 300. I don’t think I would be able to hold well enough with irons at ranges the rifle is capable of. Would you use 1 of 2 ‘06’s I have or scope the 300 and never go back to the clean receiver top? The biggest game I’ve hunted with a modern rifle is deer. If I scope the 300 it would be for Elk at a further distance my smoke pole goes out to. What do you guys think? Thanks in advance.

LoonWulf
January 9, 2012, 08:37 PM
P-32, i would get a good set of mounts and rings, and a scope that compliment the rifle. I dont think that would cause any type of value loss. a classic lookin 2-7 or 3-9 would be all you really need on that gun, or even a fixed 6.

joed
January 9, 2012, 09:35 PM
P-32 I would at least put a 3x9 on that Winchester which is what I have on my Classic. I feel for a larger game rifle that is all that's needed. After all you're not shooting at golf balls. The higher scopes like 24x I have are reserved for my varmint and target rifles. Still I do entertain putting a 24x on that H&H to see what it is capable of.

If it wasn't for a pre 64 model 70 I never would have gotten my Classic. The previous owner bought the Classic, used it for hunting one season and put it up for sale when he found the Winchester. I still remember asking my friend who was part owner of a gunshop what he had in used rifles. I wanted a .30-06 or 7mm RM. When he saw the H&H he knew it was his partners rifle and was surprised. I bought it on the spot.

Any chambering in .300 H&H is somewhat rare as you don't see them very often at all. Talldragon's Savage is something I've never seen and I'd love to have that rifle. I suspect that was a custom chambering.

I used to be a big fan of wood stocks till I got my first synthetic. That rifle came with the barrel free floated and just shot so much better then any wood stocked rifle I ever owned. But wood sure looks nice. I used to sit there and think about how ugly synthetic was when I first got it, but after a while it grew on me. And I found the rifle with synthetic stock got used more. All my newer rifles from the last 5 years are not wood.

joed
January 9, 2012, 09:52 PM
Also while cruising the web this weekend for knowledge on the .300 H&H I learned that it was originally loaded hotter then what it is presently. Because of the age of the older guns it was downgraded years ago.

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/2011/01/04/ammunition_rs_the_late_great_300_hh_020810/

talldragon
January 9, 2012, 10:27 PM
@Dr.Rob, AFIK; They don't :uhoh: .

@ P-32, A pre-64 Winchester in .300 H&H ... :cool:. That's definitely a keeper :D.
Got any pics ? Or maybe save 'em for our upcoming "club" thread ;) .

@joed, You have assumed correctly. My Savage 110e was a custom build for it's previous owner.
Thanks for the link :) . Interesting article.

Robert
January 9, 2012, 10:37 PM
300H&H looks really cool, but I so want a 375H&H. Not that I need one mind you, no Cape Buffalo in Colorado. But I just really want one. I have a thing for cool old calibers.

And if you want a thump try a 470NE sometime. It is not nearly as bad as one would think.

BrocLuno
January 9, 2012, 11:33 PM
Regarding that Winchester 300 H&H - I'd scope it so you could do just what you said, go Elk hunting :) It's less than useful in current condition unless you want to go to Africa and use it on Cape Buffalo or something, then the Irons may make some sense?

BUT, I'd be real careful about the scoping process. It's a valuable rifle in terms of both money and what it will do. So I'd plan it out accordingly:

1.) I would not "over scope" it - likely a 2.5~8x32 or something. Yeah, the round will reach out there, but it is not built as a match rifle, so I'd be real conservative as to what I put on it.

2.) I'd scope for the Elk Hunt weather. Cold and blowy, humidity and temp changes in and out of camp, so I'd use a Bushnell Elite with RainGuard as the actual hunt scope. I might have something else for show when not elk hunting. The upside is a generous "eye box" (exit pupil) so that you can get on target with a hood or hats, etc. The bummer is 3.3 inches of eye relief and that may not be enough?

If that does not work out, my next choice would be a Leupold as they have almost as good wet weather lens coatings and are good scopes too :) They will give you more eye relief and that may be the deciding factor. Either have good warranties.

3.) I'd be real picky about the scope mounts. That's a fine rifle and it deserves to have fine mounts, well installed. Talley's or Cone-Trol would probably be my first pick - they are both steel. Cone-Trol will be smooth rings without screws showing, and if installed correctly and loc-tited down, they will be with you for the whole deal. IF you are not comfortable doing the work, I'd get a real good gunsmith who knows Cone-Trol to do the install. They are not as straight forward as a say a set of Weaver Bases. The upside is they never snag on anything and they look as if they were/are part of the rifle. They also seldom work loose, and they are both known to handle this level of recoil energy.

If the rifle has any engraving, I'd be having the rings done to match and blued to match. All up, this will not degrade the value of the rifle at all. Oh yeah, to a pure collector maybe a few $$, but to a hunter it would be the cats meow. You think you have hunters asking to buy the rifle now, wait until it's scoped correctly and on the hunt - you'll get more offers :)

I would not sell it unless my kid needed an operation or something. I'd just keep it as a family heir loom and pass it around as folks want a big hunt gun :D

Geno
January 10, 2012, 12:09 AM
joed:
Great read in the article.

BrocLuno:
I've not (yet) owned a .300 H&H Mag, but plan to one day. I have had two .375 H&H Mags, and wow are they impressive. Without doubt, it is more than I need in Michigan.

To be certain, there are other .308 and .375 caliber magnums that out-perform the H&Hs, but not one of them carries the romance of safaris from years past. My Uncle Dave has a Mark X in .300 H&H Mag and would never sell it. Well, I enjoyed this thread...a lot!!! Thanks to the OP for creating it.

Geno

BrocLuno
January 10, 2012, 12:42 AM
Hey Geno, where you been? Have not read your musings lately?

Geno
January 10, 2012, 03:11 AM
BrocLuno:
Thanks for asking. I have really missed hanging out more here at THR!!! I've had a lengthy past half-year. I relocated, thank goodness. Then, I had a surgery about 2 months back to remove significant scar tissue. Relocation is done, but still not unpacked. :o The surgery went well, and recovery is going well.

On the good side of it all, I did manage to get in the 2011 deer season between the relocation and surgery, and bagged a nice buck at about 10:30a on opening day. :D On the best side, last week the surgeon cleared me to return to regular activity. Time for a run to the farm for ping some steel with a friend.

Geno

esheato
January 10, 2012, 10:36 AM
talldragon,

Oroville range? Man, I miss that place.

rori
January 10, 2012, 01:28 PM
Quite a few of the early model 70's were not designed for scope use in that the drop of the stock was designed to get on the iron sights. If you have one of these early ones then you should plan on a lace on pad to get your face up to scope level and get a good cheek weld. FRJ

talldragon
January 11, 2012, 01:42 AM
@esheato, there are some full size pics over in the ".300 H&H club (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=636348)" thread. You might recognize the scenery..;)

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