question about "beowulf"-rifle


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trol79
January 2, 2012, 06:35 PM
last month I saw on TV a a short documetation about an AR called"Beowulf" but it was rare with technical data. The only thing they said it is caliber .50 and designed for use up to 200 meters. The rest was a mann wielding it and shooting stones ans concrete blocks. They didnīt even say what .50 caliber it has or what its velocity/energy or RoF it has. Can you tell me more?

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Ramone
January 2, 2012, 06:42 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Beowulf

Dr.Mall Ninja
January 2, 2012, 06:42 PM
Here is one for sale...

http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item/36666_Alexander_Arms_Rifles_Shotguns_Entry_50_Beowulf_16_Inch_Barrel_Flat_Top_Receiver.aspx?&w=pq%2bjdyolrqe%3d

Seems to me a 308 is a better round pretty much all away around.

InkEd
January 2, 2012, 06:46 PM
It the .50 Beowulf and answers a question nobody asked.

Ranger30-06
January 2, 2012, 06:51 PM
It's pretty much the joke of the AR-15 series. The .458 SOCOM outperforms it in every way, and ammo is made by more than just one company. .50 Beowulf is cheaper to shoot, but that's dependent on if Alexander Arms ever decides to make more the 1000 rounds per year to sell.

Smith357
January 2, 2012, 06:59 PM
I have a couple of questions about all these new wonder rounds for the AR, like the .300 Blackout, .458 Socom, 6.5 Grendel, and who knows how many others.

1. What do these exotic rounds give you that .223 or .308 can't?

2. Do you think they will last as long as the .218 Donaldson Wasp?

3. Is it like climbing a mountain, because you can?

Hey lets cram a 220 grain bullet in a .30 carbine case, call it the .3000 Dragon and build and AR upper for it.

Zoogster
January 2, 2012, 07:11 PM
Smith357 said: I have a couple of questions about all these new wonder rounds for the AR,

The purpose of all these rounds is to allow people familiar with, limited to, or stuck on the AR-15 pattern rifle, which is very common and very modular, to shoot cartridges that are suited for tasks the .223/5.56 is not.



Not all users of the platform have the same desires that the military prefers the 5.56 round for.
Shorter or longer range increased effectiveness might be more important than round count or weight savings for some tasks.
For example when was the last time you saw people recommend a 5.56/.223 round for dangerous animals, such as grizzly bear defense when that question comes up all the time.
They don't. Yet you see people suggest carrying a .45-70 around.
Well now they can have what amounts to a .45-70 in an AR platform, which they might prefer over your more traditional pattern rifle.


Additionally the 5.56 depends on velocity, and when you go subsonic becomes a horrible round even in the heavier weights, and needs a different twist rate to stabilize.
While many of the bigger rounds are designed to have some bullet offerings with massive weight bullets that still do okay under the speed of sound.
This allows them to use a suppressed round in the AR platform, and not need to use another rifle platform to use effective suppressed rounds.

jerkface11
January 2, 2012, 08:13 PM
The .458 SOCOM outperforms it in every way, and ammo is made by more than just one company. . It might be made by more than one company but it's overpriced and brass is impossible to get.

TIMC
January 2, 2012, 09:04 PM
One more thing to add about the .50 Beowulf over the .458. The .458 just ain't a .50! :D

I have the Beowulf and the Grendel. I roll my own so ammunition is not a big deal to me; I have close to 1K of ammo for each gun. Brass and bullets for each rifle have become fairly easy to get.

The Beowulf is a lot of fun to play with and does ugly things to pigs. to date the farthest I have taken game with the Beowulf is 140 yards but I would be very comfortable taking shots out to 200 yards.

The Grendel is a good medium cartridge and makes for a great Varmint rifle.

Can I do the same thing with .223 or .308 in an AR? Well yes and I also have AR's in those calibers but to me it's not about can I do as well or better with another caliber. I can also do as well or better with a bolt rifle too; if I limited myself to those thoughts I would only have one gun and that just ain't no fun! ;)

Ranger30-06
January 2, 2012, 09:10 PM
I have a couple of questions about all these new wonder rounds for the AR, like the .300 Blackout, .458 Socom, 6.5 Grendel, and who knows how many others.

1. What do these exotic rounds give you that .223 or .308 can't?

2. Do you think they will last as long as the .218 Donaldson Wasp?

3. Is it like climbing a mountain, because you can?

Hey lets cram a 220 grain bullet in a .30 carbine case, call it the .3000 Dragon and build and AR upper for it.

Well the .300 BLK allows for a .30 caliber round that doesn't require special mags, bolts, or springs. It offers a power advantage at the cost of longer range performance.

The .458 SOCOM allows for a .45-70 out of an AR-15, making the rifle capable for anything in North America. The .50 Beowulf is a harder to get version of this round along with a harder to find .042" wider bullet.

The 6.5 Grendel is 100% designed for long range performance, but requires a new bolt, mags, and sometimes recoil spring to work right. It's a great performer if you build the rifle around that caliber, and don't try to convert a .223 rifle to 6.5.



As for the .218, there is literally no value to this round over the traditional .223. At least the .300, 6.5, and .458 all serve a new purpose.

And yes, people do climb mountains "just because they can" :D

Smith357
January 2, 2012, 10:46 PM
And yes, people do climb mountains "just because they can"

I suppose I'm just a crusty old Marine who likes his combat tools to be in common calibers. I guess I don't see the need to emulate .308 or .45-70 performance when I already have them. You won't catch me climbing any mountains above where the elk is. :D

Ranger30-06
January 2, 2012, 10:50 PM
I suppose I'm just a crusty old Marine who likes his combat tools to be in common calibers. I guess I don't see the need to emulate .308 or .45-70 performance when I already have them. You won't catch me climbing any mountains above where the elk is. :D
Well that why this is the good 'ol US of A! You can have 10 calibers based off of 1 lower, or 10 different guns!

Lloyd Smale
January 3, 2012, 07:41 AM
Ive got one and belive me the game ive shot with it sure didnt think it was a joke. The biggest was a 1600lb water buffalo my wife shot with it. Ive know and have heard the ammo shortage statements. I went though it myself trying to find brass earlier. I could care less about ammo shortages as anyone that wants to shoot any of these big ars enough to really enjoy it needs to reload and now starline is selling brass so its easy to get. Other then that your the first i ever heard call it a joke. It pushes a 50 cal bullet faster then a 500 linebaugh max or a 500 smith! Loaded properly it will kill any animal in the world. Why chose it over a 458, because there isnt a 60 beowulf!

Tirod
January 3, 2012, 09:50 AM
If more power than the 5.56 is needed, sure, you can move up to .308. But, that is exactly the point - a .308 rifle is also two pounds heavier to handle the power, cartridge length, and recoil.

The mililtary decided .308 was too much, and unnecessary in combat out to 500m. Downsizing meant they could increase the ammo load of the soldier another two pounds, plus he'd shoot it more often and more accurately because recoil was half. For combat, more bullets in the air means more hits, and that means the enemy can't fight as effectively.

For American hunters, moving up to an alternate caliber means they get 40% more power, reducing lost game and being more ethical hunters. It makes the AR15 a medium game rifle, and deer hunting is America's #1 game animal. In some states, it means the gun is legal, whereas 5.56 would have got them, the gun, their vehicle, and their wallet jail time.

Hunting with an AR, as opposed to the .30-30 lever? Its more accurate, has more range, more power down range in an alternate caliber, is easier and safer to load and unload, doesn't force you to chamber every round and nick up the ogives unloading, allows any optic to be mounted on a secure rail directly over the action, is more durable, takes less maintenance, and much more weatherproof. Take an AR out in freezing rain, and you don't even have to wipe it down at the end of the day, the stock won't swell or anodizing rust. Neglect a lever action like that and it may not even function the next day.

AR's and alternate calibers work just fine, we have good reason to use them. My 6.8SPC dissipator has a long life ahead of it, and I can find ammo on the shelf at Academy, even in SW Missouri.

BTW, it reopens in a couple of weeks, not bad for being completely destroyed last May.

InkEd
January 3, 2012, 11:20 AM
Funny you mention the 6.8SPC because it is probably the best of all the "new" AR-calibers.

jerkface11
January 3, 2012, 12:50 PM
I'm using one of the olympic 25wssm uppers since hunting regs in arkansas would make anything over 30 cal useless for most of the year.

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