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Joe&40
January 5, 2012, 12:08 AM
I'm using a lee 1000 and I'm done with the auto feed primer system. Can someone recommend a good hand primer? Thanks.

Frustrated joe&40

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ArchAngelCD
January 5, 2012, 12:14 AM
I like the RCBS hand primer but if price is a factor the NEW Lee hand primer is very good too. It's been redesigned so it's safer and the square tray helps when loading. I like the RCBS better but i do own a Lee as a backup and for a fast setup for for priming small batches of brass.

Welcome to the forum...

mtnlvr
January 5, 2012, 12:22 AM
What problems have you had with the Lee 1000 primer feed?

If it's just the primers coming out of the hopper into the trough, just use your left middle finger (not to flick it off) to tap at the 11:00 position of the hopper. This jostles the primers enough to clear the jam, and urges the cover to tighten with the tapping. Not that it needs to be tightened, but you sure don't want to loosen it.

If it's problems with the primers tipping upon entry to the turret or not feeding all the way, you likely need to disassemble and clean. Gotta keep that powder out of there which can be tough to do if you don't get the primer in its pocket. That worked wonders on my used and slightly rusty 1000. I've been able to load 800 rounds with very few issues.

J_McLeod
January 5, 2012, 12:40 AM
Here's a thread that I started when I had trouble with mine. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=617005 bds and a few others did their best to help me figure it out. Eventually I gave up and got an LNL. I hope yours end better. It's a great press when it's running.

Here's another good thread. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=507454&highlight=1000

I used the Lee Auto prime for a while and it worked.

Waywatcher
January 5, 2012, 12:44 AM
I was extremely frustrated with RCBS Hand Primer tools. I tried both kinds of theirs, and even had them send me some replacement parts to try them to see if it got better. It didn't. The best priming tool I have ever used: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/457599/rcbs-automatic-bench-priming-tool

bds
January 5, 2012, 01:49 AM
Lee Precision factory videos for Pro 1000 - http://www.youtube.com/user/LeePrecisionInc/search?query=Pro+1000

Normal operation demo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3KdF_CfJ7E

Adjusting shell plate timing - www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8tfTLt_iCw

Troubleshooting primer feed problem - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOhDMhYY9ug

Review of Pro 1000 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDIf1C7OaGQ&feature=related

bds
January 5, 2012, 01:58 AM
I'm done with the auto feed primer system.
If you don't mind me asking, what was the problem?

Although this video is in German, watch the reloading cycle sequence, especially the primer feed operation - www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJzPPL-JZ5Q

cfullgraf
January 5, 2012, 08:33 AM
Presently, I use both the RCBS Universal hand priming tools, with the tray and with the APS system. They work fine except occasionally a primmer difficult to seat will spit the case out of the shell holder jaws.

Also, they won't prime one or two cartridges like brass .410 hulls.

I just bought a Lee Auto-Prime XR to try. I used to use the old Auto-Prime (20 some years) until Lee took it off the market. I actually like to prime with my thumb (Auto-Prime) versus squeezing with my hand (RCBS). The new tray on the XR is an improvement but I do not like that the primer is not contained as it transfers to the seating step.

Either one would serve you well.

I have two so that I do not have to change between primer sizes and so I have spare parts on hand should one break.

Revolver218
January 5, 2012, 09:09 AM
I used the RCBS hand tool and still do, for loading a few cartridges at a time. But for bulk reloading (as recommended by Waywatcher) I use the RCBS Auto Bench Priming Tool. With this you can prime a hundred cases in minutes. As a side note, for anyone with arthritis, this priming tool is a life saver.

USSR
January 5, 2012, 11:11 AM
I like the RCBS hand primer...

+1.

Don

Walkalong
January 5, 2012, 05:01 PM
+2

I have used the same RCBS hand primer for 20+ years. I like it. I used a Lee before that. :)

918v
January 5, 2012, 06:25 PM
A Hornady priming tool makes the RCBS look and feel like Lee.

GP100man
January 5, 2012, 07:49 PM
I like the Hornady hand primer it`s easy as useing a set of pliers.

243winxb
January 5, 2012, 11:04 PM
RCBS Ram Priming Unit http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/large/416/416519.jpg

Damon555
January 5, 2012, 11:21 PM
My old lee hand priming tool broke and I bought the new model.....well all I can say is the new one sucks.......go with the RCBS, my brother has one and it works great.

Joe&40
January 5, 2012, 11:29 PM
Thanks for the info.

Bds. It's jamming right in front of the seating pin. The ones that turn sideways are the biggest problem. I have cleaned it from powder and washed the whole assembly in heavy detergent and with laundry sheets and used some graphite. I ran 100 rounds tonight through it and had about ten jams. Thanks.

greyling22
January 6, 2012, 12:13 AM
silver primers work better in lee devices than gold ones. I guess they're slicker. I have that same problem in my lee ram prime. The primers aren't sliding far enough forward for the ram to push them up, so the ram lifts up on one side of the primers, jams it all up and I wish I had the hand priming tool.....

my pro1000, on the other hand, always primed reliably. Sorry your's isn't working for you. It's a pretty slick little press when it works right.

Jdillon
January 6, 2012, 12:16 AM
Sinclair makes an excellent hand primer. Use it for all my loads made on a single stage press.

J_McLeod
January 6, 2012, 01:26 AM
Thanks for the info.

Bds. It's jamming right in front of the seating pin. The ones that turn sideways are the biggest problem. I have cleaned it from powder and washed the whole assembly in heavy detergent and with laundry sheets and used some graphite. I ran 100 rounds tonight through it and had about ten jams. Thanks.
That's what happened with mine.

kingmt
January 6, 2012, 11:54 AM
Is there any burrs in the shoot? Is the primer tray full?

bds
January 6, 2012, 01:02 PM
Joe, I was taking close up pictures of Pro 1000 primer feed attachment fix last night. I will post my solutions this evening after work - yes, they do work. Stay tuned.

Joe&40
January 7, 2012, 01:40 AM
Kingmt. I didn't notice any burs in it I will look closer

Bds. Please do post pics.

Thanks to all for your advise and input.

J_McLeod
January 7, 2012, 01:43 AM
Are you loading small primers or large? I have one new and one used small primer chute that I no longer need.

bds
January 7, 2012, 02:30 AM
I took more close up pictures to better explain ... will finish posting in the morning.

Lost Sheep
January 7, 2012, 06:43 PM
I second the notion of looking for burrs. Also, a bit of silicone spray dry lube might help. But I would not put it on top of the graphite. I would wash again, first.

Using a hand priming tool with a progressive press just seem wrong. It violates the concept of "progressive" adding extra insertion/removal cycles and paying extra to add steps that should not be necessary in the first place.

I did not like my Pro-1000 presses for several reasons. One was the primer feeding. If you try to go too fast, the primers don't have enough time to get positioned on the ram. I used to pause just at the instant I saw the column of primers in the ramp advance. Sometimes, if it looked like they did not advance as far as usual, I would take a custom-made tool to make sure the primers were fully advanced. (Favorite material for custom tools: unbent paper clip) That cured almost all my primer feed problems completely. But it did slow down my production rate.

About my production rate: I was never comfortable with operating my progressives. Watching multiple simultaneous operations made me nervous and cause me to slow down as I chanted a mantra that ensured I left no step out
stroke
spent primer drop
powder drop
stroke
case feed
primer feed
primer seat
bullet place
etc.

I finally got wise to my own limitations and style and got a Lee Classic Turret. I could not be happier. My production rate is about the same as the progressives, caliber swaps infinitely faster and the new primers are 'way above the primer dust and VISIBLE when placed in the primer arm's cup. Best of all, I am relaxed when I reload now.

Not suggesting it for you. Your style will be different than mine. Just food for thought.

Try the dry silicone spray lube. Then the primer advance assist tool if necessary.

Good Luck

Lost Sheep

kingmt
January 8, 2012, 02:12 AM
I use the same universal toolstock. I have 3 different tools made for the primer handleing. I also used this to modify the ejecter. The original worked but mine works better.

CMV
January 8, 2012, 12:16 PM
My old lee hand priming tool broke and I bought the new model.....well all I can say is the new one sucks.......go with the RCBS, my brother has one and it works great.

Interesting - I thought the new one was better?

That's what I've been using - the Lee Autoprime XR. I've only done about 400 .223 on it so far, but have no complaints. I've gone over some military crimps and while it felt like it was binding or tight, it still seated them. Otherwise the primers just squeeze in without a lot of force from my hands. I can do 100 at once and my hands aren't hurting or cramped up from it.

What's different/better about the RCBS one? They look very similar. My only gripe about the Lee one was needing to buy special shell holders for it. I thought it was dumb to have to buy a shellholder for the press, one for the Lee trimmer, and one for the hand priming tool so I need 3 shell holders for the same caliber that aren't interchangeable. But even buying the full set of shellholders, the overall cost was less than the RCBS tool.

I don't have anything to compare it to. Since it does what I thought it would do and works as advertised, I have to say it's a good tool. But since it's the only thing I've ever used to seat a primer, I might be using one of the worst options & not know it. Ignorance is bliss if that's the case because it performs well for me.

Damon555
January 8, 2012, 09:16 PM
Well, the main problem I have with it is the angle of the handle. I have average sized hands and it's pretty tough to get a good grip on the new one. The old model had a slightly shallower angle and a shorter handle. The newer model really cramps my hand up when I can get a grip on it.

I also don't like the fact that the primer waiting to be seated next is sitting out in the open just waiting to fall out or get turned around if it gets bumped.

One good thing about it is the square tray. At least you can dump a box of primers into it without loosing any.

bds
January 10, 2012, 02:26 AM
It's jamming right in front of the seating pin. The ones that turn sideways are the biggest problem. I have cleaned it from powder and washed the whole assembly in heavy detergent and with laundry sheets and used some graphite. I ran 100 rounds tonight through it and had about ten jams.
Kingmt. I didn't notice any burs in it I will look closer

Please do post pics.
Joe, sorry for the late reply. I had to give this some thought and retake some closeup pictures I took earlier because initially I too was assuming that it was burr/gouges on the feed ramp surface.

Since I do not have the press right in front of me to observe the operation, I will offer following suggestions that you could use to investigate your primer feed problem further and provide feedback. I am assuming that your are using the proper Large/Small primer push rods for the Large/Small attachments and your shell plate timing is set to zero.

This is how the primers are fed (small attachment on top)
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=156610&stc=1&d=1326176272

Here's a close up (small attachment on top)
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=156612&stc=1&d=1326176411

First, check to make sure the primer push rod is going all the way down so the top of the rod surface is even with the feed attachment surface. If there is any debri in the primer push rod tube (like powder particles), the rod may not drop down all the way and stick up a bit.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=156613&stc=1&d=1326176687

The top surface of the rob should be even with the primer feed attachment surface like this picture.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=156614&stc=1&d=1326176687

Continued on next post.

bds
January 10, 2012, 02:40 AM
If the push rod is not flat and sticking up above the primer feed attachment surface, you will need to remove the attachment and clean out the tube.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=156615&stc=1&d=1326177123

Clear any thing that may have fallen inside the tube and clean the primer push rod.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=156616&stc=1&d=1326177123

If your primer attachment surface is gouged or has burrs like the picture below, then you can try to smooth out/polish the surface or replace the attachment. New small attachment on the left with gouged attachment in need of repair/burnishing on on the center/right.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=156618&stc=1&d=1326177266
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=156617&stc=1&d=1326177266

Continued on next post.

bds
January 10, 2012, 02:50 AM
I smoothed out this older small primer attachment with a small precision flat screwdriver and burnished the surface with folded surfaces of 8x11 plain copy paper.

White arrows show the surfaces to be burnished.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=156619&stc=1&d=1326177928

Folded 8x11 plain copy paper used to burnish surface (apply firm finger pressure and quickly rub back and forth).
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=156621&stc=1&d=1326177937

Before and after pictures compared to new attachment vs burnished/repaired attachment on the right. Although you can still see some deeper gouges, the surface is smooth and polished for the primer cups to slide on.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=156620&stc=1&d=1326177928

I will be posting a new thread titled "Solutions for Pro 1000 primer attachment" with more comprehensive/detailed pictures from initial "proper" setup to repairs for more reliable operations.

Keep us posted if this helped. :D

kingmt
January 10, 2012, 08:19 AM
bds

That is a great post. My second thought was something under the primer rod.

I would like to copy your pictures for future use if your OK with it.

bds
January 10, 2012, 10:20 AM
kingmt, it may still be debri under the primer rod as OP has not commented back yet. Yes, feel free to use the pictures.

I will be posting a new thread titled "Solutions for Pro 1000 primer attachment" with more comprehensive/detailed pictures from initial "proper" setup to repairs for more reliable operations.
For the new thread, I will actually use the burnished primer feed attachment above along with new and other damaged attachments to see how they feed different brands of primers along with other solutions/mods.

Joe&40
January 11, 2012, 05:14 PM
bds, i will try this. Thank you!! Joe&40

Thank you all!

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