VA Constitutional Carry bill.


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rromeo
January 5, 2012, 09:12 PM
I got this from the VCDL.
Virginia House Bill 139:
Carrying concealed handguns; penalties. Provides that any person who may lawfully possess a firearm in Virginia may carry it hidden from common observation. The bill retains the procedures to obtain a permit that authorizes a person to carry a concealed handgun for those who wish to carry a concealed handgun in other states with reciprocal agreements with the Commonwealth. The bill creates Class 1 misdemeanors for carrying concealed handguns during the commission of certain drug-related crimes and makes carrying a concealed handgun during the commission of certain felonies a separate felony. This bill contains technical amendments.



This is a large bill... will take some time to read over.
This is the version that highlights the changes to existing law:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...+ful+HB139+hil

If this is to pass it needs the support here and on every pro gun board around.
Many elitist will oppose it.
We need to get involved, constant emails and calls just to get it on the floor....but it can be done!

Please call or email your delegates and ask them to support this.
http://www.dbava.com/vamap.html

Also, January 16 is Lobby day in Richmond at the general assembly. You can meet your delegates and senators. starts at 9:00 am until about 1:00 pm

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HDCamel
January 5, 2012, 11:34 PM
Nice...

I'll certainly spread the word.

tyeo098
January 5, 2012, 11:35 PM
Sweet!
Its 20-20 in the senate though... but our Governor is pretty good when it comes to guns...

armoredman
January 5, 2012, 11:53 PM
Good luck!

BikerRN
January 6, 2012, 03:04 AM
Good luck from me too.

My state enacted Constitutional Carry a while back and it hasn't created any problems. It would be nice to see more states get onn board.

Biker

AlexanderA
January 6, 2012, 08:55 AM
Your link doesn't work for me for some reason.

JFrame
January 6, 2012, 12:37 PM
Your link doesn't work for me for some reason.


Likewise for me...

But what I read on the OP certainly sounds good... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good2.gif


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brickeyee
January 6, 2012, 03:13 PM
Try this one http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?121+ful+HB139

rromeo
January 6, 2012, 07:47 PM
Yes, it is 20/20 in the senate, but a few democrats do have A or B ratings from the NRA.

roundoff
January 18, 2012, 12:44 PM
Well, I hounded my reps about it. I also noticed on the VCDL website (http://www.vcdl.org/static/2012leg.html) quite a few other promising bits of legislation in various stages of the legislative process, including some castle doctrine laws. Should be interesting to see what happens.

JFrame
January 18, 2012, 01:06 PM
Indeed...I find it deplorable that the Old Dominion, which gave us the seminal thinkers of the Constitution in people like George Mason and James Madison, does not have a Castle Doctrine!


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brickeyee
January 28, 2012, 01:05 PM
Indeed...I find it deplorable that the Old Dominion, which gave us the seminal thinkers of the Constitution in people like George Mason and James Madison, does not have a Castle Doctrine!

We have a very solid body of case law.

The only thing an actual 'castle law' might add is some type of restriction on civil suites, but Virginia has never had a real rash of them anyway.

And 'castle laws' that prevent the filing of a civil suite are not going to stand a significant challenge.
Ones that make the complainant pay if they lose the civil suite have a much better chance of being held valid.

JFrame
January 28, 2012, 02:27 PM
We have a very solid body of case law.

The only thing an actual 'castle law' might add is some type of restriction on civil suites, but Virginia has never had a real rash of them anyway.

And 'castle laws' that prevent the filing of a civil suite are not going to stand a significant challenge.
Ones that make the complainant pay if they lose the civil suite have a much better chance of being held valid.

Interesting point about Virginia not needing a Castle Doctrine, on the basis that civil suits are not that big in this state. However, that also leads me to think that the legal lobby is having a huge impact on whether such a doctrine is implemented.

On balance, I have no issue with what you said. I guess I would just like to see VA enact such a doctrine on principle, as a statement on the growing number of states issuing such declarations.


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brickeyee
January 30, 2012, 02:52 PM
I guess I would just like to see VA enact such a doctrine on principle, as a statement on the growing number of states issuing such declarations.

Outside of a limit on civil suites we already have the law, it is just common (case) law and not statute law.

One thing that was expressed in the legislature when it has been discussed is not wanting to in any way disturb the existing common law.

Statute law is NOT the only law.

Common (case) law is just as significant (though a little harder to research).

JFrame
January 30, 2012, 03:26 PM
Outside of a limit on civil suites we already have the law, it is just common (case) law and not statute law.

One thing that was expressed in the legislature when it has been discussed is not wanting to in any way disturb the existing common law.

Statute law is NOT the only law.

Common (case) law is just as significant (though a little harder to research).

Okay, man -- I'll take your word for it! :)


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rromeo
February 2, 2012, 07:24 PM
Hasn't made it to committee yet. I think they meet tomorrow at 9:00am.

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