Price Per Box on your Reloads


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WhistlinDixie
January 7, 2012, 05:15 PM
I had just about gotten my dad convinced that reloading was the way to go. We sat down and ran some quick, rough math. It was looking like it would cost us about 16 bucks per 100 box to reload. WWB is 21 for 100 at Wal-Mart. He didn't think 6 bucks a box was worth the hassle.

I think that at any savings the long term savings will eventually pay off, as well as the versatility in loads you can make. Stockpiling components also makes you less vulnerable to market changes. I'm not sure I can convince him, though.

What does a box of reloaded 9mm cost you? Perhaps I just don't know how to components shop well.

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mgmorden
January 7, 2012, 05:27 PM
My cost per box varies, but buying the cheapest I've found is:

Primers - you an find for $20 per thousand depending on brand and quanity purchased.
Bullets - $22 per 500 for 9mm Z Cast Bulletz (9mm 125gr cast lead)
Powder - $101 per 8lbs of Alliant Unique which will do approximately 11,000 rounds.
Brass - free - reuse and pick up at the range.

At those prices you're looking at - per 100 rounds - $2 in primers, $0.90 in powder, and $4.40 in bullets.

So $7.30 per 100.

If you'd prefer not to shoot lead, then primers stay the same. $80 per 1000 Precision Delta 124gr bullets, and I switch to Bullseye on jacketed bullets so same price on 8lbs of powder but you'll get 13k rounds out of it instead of 11k.

So per 100 of the FMJ loads its still $2 in primers, $0.78 in powder, and $8.00 in bullets - so $10.78 per 100.

There are shipping costs to figure in, but if you buy in large volumes you can get around those to a large degree. Shipping on the bullets actually isn't that bad (the Precision Delta above ship free and with the Z-Cast I think you can order around 3000 for only $12 shipping). The primers and powder - just order primers at least 10,000 at a time and powder 16+lbs at a time.

One thing to consider too is that while IMHO, the lead reloads are just kinda range fodder (they shoot ok, but when I shoot lead I'm doing it solely because its cheap), but the FMJ reloads that you do will typically be a LOT better and more consistent than WWB.

357Shooter
January 7, 2012, 05:34 PM
Try this, hope it saves some time, courtesy of Gavin, "Ultimate Reloader"
http://ultimatereloader.com/tools/reloading-costs-calculator/

WhistlinDixie
January 7, 2012, 05:36 PM
Thanks morden! That's exactly the types of numbers we were hoping to see.

Thanks for the link, 357

RandyP
January 7, 2012, 06:18 PM
Because of its huge popularity world-wide and the availability of surplus, commercial reloads and steel cased ammo, 9mm is about the hardest caliber to generate any 'monster' savings for us recreational reloaders, but I still can reload for less than the cost of store bought.

In truth you never save any money by reloading, you just end up shooting more rounds for the same money spent. Plus you then have an ammo factory that is open 24/7/365 right there in your own home.

Reloading for me is a relaxing passtime, a newfound survival skill and an enjoyable hobby. Thanks to Lee Precision, Hornady, RCBS, Dillon etc there is a way for everyone to particpate at all need, budget and interest levels and to make safe, accurate and reliable ammunition.

Lost Sheep
January 7, 2012, 06:26 PM
If you can find a local commercial reloading business, you may be able to buy ammunition in bulk for even less than $21 per 100. Ask you local police department training officer where they get their training ammo.

9mm is one of the most difficult cartridges to make savings on. If you shoot .357 magnum, 45 Colt or almost any rifle cartridge other than 223/5.56, the savings are more substantial.

On the other hand, many people who began reloading for economy find that reloading itself is a satisfying pastime. Some find the relaxation of the repetitive operation to be enough of a reward. Kind of like knitting, but more manly. :D Others find that they can craft better ammunition than the mass producers.:cool: Some find a great deal of pride in rolling their own and being independent of the mass producers. :neener: You can also assemble ammunition tailored to your particular needs. I have a friend with a 500 Smith & Wesson who loads (along with full-power loads) some pipsqueak loads (350 grain bullet at 800 feet per second) that shoot like 22 rimfire out of that heavy gun but, do the math hit harder than 45 ACP. Really nice for letting someone not familiar with the gun shoot something that will not knock them on their butts.

I have run calculations on my ammo costs and find that for most of my calibers, I can save money rolling my own, even if I factor in the cost of my loading equipment, the components AND pay myself a wage equal to my regular job. I doubt if I could come up with a positive number for 9mm if I include ALL those costs.

On the other hand 500 Smith costs over $3.00 a round in my town while components cost $0.75. My friend (who shoots the 500) with that round can save $100 in an hour of reloading (box of 50).

So, if you only contemplate reloading for 9mm and are interested only in cost savings, your Dad may be right. If you give him a 45 Colt or 44 Special for his birthday (too late for Christmas this year), you may get him to change his mind without even offering an argument. Expect a reloading press for YOUR birthday.

Good luck.

Lost Sheep

p.s. Anywhere near Ft Walton? I was stationed at Hurlburt Field for a while.

cfullgraf
January 7, 2012, 06:47 PM
In truth you never save any money by reloading, you just end up shooting more rounds for the same money spent. Plus you then have an ammo factory that is open 24/7/365 right there in your own home.



In actuality, you ALWAYS save money reloading. The cost per reloaded round is less than cost per round of store bought, factory new.

What you do with the savings, well that is another matter.

WhistlinDixie
January 7, 2012, 06:58 PM
Thanks guys. I would eventually also be loading 45 acp, 38/357, perhaps 380.
I can definitely see the long term benefits for reloading even mainstream calibers. Reloading really shines for the odd/heavy calibers it seems. I'll have to be on the lookout for an old Triple Lock to get Dad.

dbarnhart
January 7, 2012, 07:06 PM
Savings come from looking for deals and buying in bulk. I don't reload for 9mm but I do reload for 45acp and my reloads cost me the equivalent of $8.50/box of 50. I'm starting to learn to cast my own bullets and if I am successful I figure that I'll be down to $3.50/box.

mgmorgan mentioned Precision Delta. They are currently my preferred source for FMJ pistol projectiles. Not only are their prices reasonable but they do not charge extra for shipping. The downside is that you need to by 2000 at a time.

Powder Valley has the best prices on the internet for powder and primers. The downside is shipping and the HAZMAT fee. Either buy in very large quantities or go in with a couple of buddies on a small group buy so that the shipping/hazmat charges are split between you.

We're fortunate here in central Arizona to have a couple local sources for powder and primers that are within a dollar or two of Powder Valley's prices.

I also frequently check Backpage and Craigslist for deals.

Redneck with a 40
January 7, 2012, 07:08 PM
My cost/box goes as follows:

223 Rem = $4.20/20
.308 Win = $9/20 (Nosler custom comp HPBT bullets)
40 S&W = $6/50 using components bought several years ago
9mm = $5.50/50

k4swb
January 7, 2012, 07:09 PM
Even if my reloaded ammo cost the same as store bought, I'd still prefer to reload my own. The ability to load exactly what I want is worth more than just money.

thorn-
January 7, 2012, 07:29 PM
First off, I reload 9mm for about half of what WWB sells for. I don't buy in bulk, or shoot lead that often... so, I could get lower than 50%, but it's good enough for me.

Secondly - let's all remember back a couple years ago when Obama became President and ammo and gun prices went through the roof. Walmart shelves were basically bare; people bought boxes of things they didn't even shoot, "just in case". People paid $300 for boxes of stripped AR lowers (that still makes me laugh.)

I recall lots of people agonizing over the prices of practice ammo, if they could even find any for sale. People sold that crappy WWB 9mm ammo on gun forum classified for what they used to pay for GoldDot premium ammo... and people PAID it, as they had no ammo themselves.

The whole time I was sort of smiling to myself, as I had 5K of primers, lots of bullets, and pounds of powder. The Obama Gun Rush didn't affect my shooting habits one bit.

There are more benefits than just saving a couple bucks.

thorn

Blue68f100
January 7, 2012, 07:44 PM
My reload cost for 9mm is about 1/2 what WM price. But I have been able to shoot while everyone else was scrounging for ammo (and primers) during the shortage. I try to keep enough supplies to run for 2 yrs just encase things goes nuts, again. I buy when I catch stuff on sell or dip in energy prices which brings down the cost of raw material. As most have pointed out that certain calibers are way more beneficial to reload than others. But all save money if your looking at practice ammo only. Look at more tailored ammo and the savings is greater. With reloading you have several options, load the cheapest with lead (25% of WM), to plated (50%), to premium bullets (~10% savings). With premium bullets you may not have any savings but you will more than likely have a more accurate round.

Besides tailoring ammo to shoot your needs. If you have a new comer that is recoil sensitive you can down load the round to make it more pleasant for them. Then bump it up as they get more comfortable.

Now since your talking about pistol ammo, look at Progressive presses. Your round count will definitely go up because you shoot your savings.:D

When I bought my press (LNL-AP) the break even point was 5k rounds, approx 1 yr. This is based on buying new updated tools and many extras. When I hit that I bought the Brass feeder, another 2.5k to break even. This did not include the 1000 free XTP Bullets that I got, Hornady's Promotion (now 500). I have had my AP for 4 yrs now so you can figure the savings.

thorn-
January 7, 2012, 07:49 PM
Blue makes a great point: you can absolutely load better, *more accurate* ammo than WWB. It's not difficult, nor does it take too much time.

thorn

gamestalker
January 7, 2012, 08:12 PM
If I'm loading good quality hunting rounds for my high powered needs, I save a bunch. If it's 9mm or .40 the savings is only minimal, but the reliability and quality is still well above what's on the shelf. For my magnum wheel guns, the quality and savings are well worth the time. I started reloading because I wanted to shoot better quality, extend my options, and not have to rely on what's available, economics have always been the icing on the cake. Since I don't load for the purpose of economics, I will never consider loading anything but jacketed.

I'll never go back to factory and have maintained that opinion since I began reloading 30+ years ago.

oldreloader
January 7, 2012, 11:55 PM
my 9MM costs me about $5/50 and 45 ACP about $7/50 with lead bullets.

Thompsoncustom
January 8, 2012, 12:48 AM
I think there can be good saving in 9mm also, right now using 357shooters link it cost me $2.00/Per 50 which is a lot better than the local walmart. But I could get it cheaper than that as I don't buy in bulk but casting your own bullets will save you some money.

Running unique powder in a 8lb tub and running the cheapest primers I bet you could reload 9mm for around 1.00-1.50/Per 50 so a lot depends on what your plans are and what reloads your gun likes.

WhistlinDixie
January 8, 2012, 01:08 AM
In looking around at some of yalls suggestions, I think I could reasonably expect to roll a box of 100 9mm for 10.50 or so.

I think thats a significant savings right off the bat, and add in the ability to load for more expenisve calibers eventually and it looks pretty good again.

Gonzofam
January 8, 2012, 01:27 AM
The little savings is outweighed by the accuracy you will get along with the satisfaction of making it yourself. When you make your own there isI no comparison. If youI compare my 223 to pmc, or eagle or bear etc there is no comparison. More like Hornady superformance. Nosler custom order. The stuff that costs 25-30dollars per 20 rounds. I don't even want to bother to make cheap **** or plinking stuff. Ill buy cheap amo just to shoot. When you compare what your best is to what the real real good stuff costs that is when you see savings. Maybe just me. K4swb has got it too. That is what you should tell pops.

kingmt
January 8, 2012, 01:58 AM
I load .223 same accuracy as Tula for $1.80 a box with my latest primer purchase it goes down to $1.70. My good stuff is $3.40 which will go up when I have to buy bullets again since they went up about $5 per 100.

$2.53 for 30-06 FMJ, about $1.25 with plastic projectiles, & $4.40 for hunting rounds per box of 20.

.243 is $4.40 per 20(no cheep bullets for this one.

9mm, 45 ACP, 380, 38 spc, & 357 magnum is about $3.70 per box of 50 for lead bullets. About $8 for same as SD rounds per 50. You will pay that for 10 of the factory stuff.

i have searched hard for good prices & bought in large amounts when I find deals. I have more powder & bullets then I will ever use(except for .243, 9mm, & 380) but 3 of my kids love to load & my plan isn't to have a life supply for me but that they will never run out.

Willfully Armed
January 8, 2012, 03:02 AM
Anyone who says you don't really save money reloading ... isn't a reloader.

I shoot at least 10k of 9mm a year, and its for less than half the price of commercial.

Cci primers
Precision delta bullets
Titegroup
Mixed brass

Arkansas Paul
January 8, 2012, 03:04 AM
I shoot quiet a bit of .45 Colt, which is pretty expensive to buy off the shelf. The loads I load cost me about $18 per 100 which is dirt cheap for .45 Colt. When I start casting my own, it'll be less than $10/100.

I also save a lot on rifle rounds. A box of Federal Premium 150 grain NBTs for .30-06 cost about $35/20. I can handload 20 rounds for about $11.

dickttx
January 8, 2012, 10:47 AM
This is what it cost me. All supplies bought within the past year.

Per 1000
9mm
PD 124 gn 1 0.079000
HP38 4.5 0.010421059
CCI 500 1 0.029927143
Each 0.119348202
Box of 50 5.97 119.35


9mm PD 115 gn 1 0.076000
HP38 4.8 0.011115796
CCI500 1 0.029927143
Each 0.117042939
Box of 50 5.85 117.04


45 ACP
MBC 200 gn 1 0.081550
HP38 5 0.011578954
CCI 300 1 0.029927143
Each 0.123056
Box of 50 6.15 123.06


45 Colt
MBC 250 gn 1 0.11175
HP38 7 0.016210536
CCI 300 1 0.029927143
Each 0.157887679
Box of 50 7.89 157.89

DoubleSawbuck
January 8, 2012, 12:01 PM
I'm at $5/box for 9mm and $6/box of 45acp , I use lead to keep the cost down and I could get it even cheaper if I ordered more powder and primers at a time.

Go get a .45 and you'll start reloading in a hurry.

WhistlinDixie
January 8, 2012, 12:06 PM
Oh, I've got a 45 that I don't shoot near as much as I'd like. I will certainly be reloading 45 once I get this project off the ground.

RandyP
January 8, 2012, 12:51 PM
This topic comes up as a new post just about every week on reloading forums across the 'net. IF I match my realistic ammo needs/consumption and budget to the variety of hardware price points, it is often suggested that I will recover my initial reloading costs in about a year of reloading.

That would work out for those starting on a $30 Lee whack-a-mole Loader or a $30,000 Camdex manufacturing center.

If I only project using a couple hundred rounds per month but opt to spend $2,000 on a Dillon 1050 or over $700 for a Dillon 650 fully set up for one caliber? Not even counting in the cost of components? It is going to take me substantially longer than just one year to recoup my investment based on "saving" that possible $20 per month on my reloads -LOL

WhistlinDixie
January 8, 2012, 01:46 PM
well, i keep seeing strong recommendations for the Lee Turret press. I figured I'll be shooting roughly 200-300 rounds per week. I've been wondering if something like the whack-a-mole would be a cheap, easy option and still keep up.

thorn-
January 8, 2012, 01:52 PM
4 handle pulls per round is a lot of turret handle pulling for 300 rounds/week.

thorn

Furncliff
January 8, 2012, 02:01 PM
I'm retired and shooting is my main hobby. I got started reloading because I thought I could save a few bucks. It didn't take me long to realize the cost savings had become secondary to the improved performance I can wring out of my guns by reloading.

Sapper771
January 8, 2012, 10:47 PM
$2.50 per box of 50. I cast my own bullets, brass was free, so I only pay for powder and primer.

jcwit
January 8, 2012, 10:57 PM
I use surplus powder I purchased sometime ago, primers I purchased from a closeout for approx $50.00 for 5,000. I also cast my own and again brass is free.

regarding handgun ammo about $ .85 cents for 50 rds., rifle a little more.

More than likely have components to last to the end.

RandyP
January 8, 2012, 11:31 PM
On my Classic turret a very relaxed pace output is 150-175 rounds per hour. Single stage is 50-75 RPH.

Using a Lee loader would be much slower than single stage IMHO.

beatledog7
January 9, 2012, 12:14 AM
Rolling my own would cease to be enjoyable if I turned it into an accounting drill.

cfullgraf
January 9, 2012, 12:24 AM
I stopped obsessing over what my reloads cost versus store bought new decades ago. My reloads cost less.

I always have ammunition that shoots well in my firearms on hand and i don't run all over town looking for some.

Finally, I enjoy reloading and playing with all the neat toys that go with the hobby.

Now, excuse me while I go empty the tumblers.

jcwit
January 9, 2012, 12:27 AM
Using a Lee loader would be much slower than single stage IMHO.

Actually it would be very close to a single stage for most rounds.

Lost Sheep
January 9, 2012, 03:00 AM
That would work out for those starting on a $30 Lee whack-a-mole Loader or a $30,000 Camdex manufacturing center.

edited for brevity
It always depends on what you count.

If you don't count cost of equipment and cost of your time, the answer is always "yes".

The mallet powered Lee Loader allows you to recoup your investment in fewer number of rounds but a lot more of your time. As equipment costs go up, generally your time cost goes down. If you put a high value on your time that will extend to a higher value you should be willing to put on your equipment.

The economics are simple. The equations are complex. But not that complex.

And then there are the intangibles. Accuracy, pride, customization unavailability, etc. What value do you put on them?

Lost Sheep

Lost Sheep
January 9, 2012, 03:03 AM
Rolling my own would cease to be enjoyable if I turned it into an accounting drill.
On the other hand, that's part of the fun for me. Call me crazy. Everyone has different fun buttons. Some are stranger than others.

Lost Sheep

ArchAngelCD
January 9, 2012, 03:18 AM
well, i keep seeing strong recommendations for the Lee Turret press. I figured I'll be shooting roughly 200-300 rounds per week. I've been wondering if something like the whack-a-mole would be a cheap, easy option and still keep up.
Make sure you buy the Classic 4 hole turret press, not the Deluxe model. The Classic is cast Iron and a much better tool. Also, but the Pro Auto-Disk, not the standard Auto-Disk. Again, a much better tool and for only a few dollars more...

beatledog7
January 9, 2012, 08:43 AM
Rolling my own would cease to be enjoyable if I turned it into an accounting drill.

On the other hand, that's part of the fun for me. Call me crazy. Everyone has different fun buttons. Some are stranger than others.

I can see how that would add to the fun for some folks, but counting beans is a big part of my former career. These days I dislike counting beans, even my own.

WhistlinDixie
January 9, 2012, 08:54 AM
What is the deluxe made of?

Hacker15E
January 9, 2012, 09:22 AM
People paid $300 for boxes of stripped AR lowers (that still makes me laugh.)

Depends on how many lowers were in that box!

jblackfish
January 9, 2012, 10:01 AM
Im one who doesn't reload to reduce the cost and have kept up with how much I spend on it but have never calculated the cost per box or case of ammo. I do it purely for loading the the type round I want to shoot in competition. I also use plated bullets and clean-burning powder and, although I'm saving a little, that's not the primary reason for me to do it.

RandyP
January 9, 2012, 10:37 AM
"IF I match my realistic ammo needs/consumption and budget to the variety of hardware price points, it is often suggested that I will recover my initial reloading costs in about a year of reloading."

That includes the cost of machinery and materials - again starting by buying hardware that MATCHES output needs in a realistic way. If I am only going to reload a couple hundred rounds per year, I would be a fool to buy a Dillon 1050. But based on that round count, my Lee Loader or single stage kit culd provide me payback in that year of shooting.

I NEVER count the cost of my free-time based on a labor rate. I reload in my free-time, not instead of working for a living. I don't calculate a labor rate when I watch TV, go shooting or engage in any other pursuit either.

DoubleSawbuck
January 9, 2012, 08:13 PM
I also shoot 300 rounds a week, I load on a lee turret press and while it is possible(I've been doing it for a year now) I think a progressive press is in my future. You just can't match it's output.

Arkansas Paul
January 9, 2012, 09:08 PM
Personally, I wouldn't use a whack a mole kit for 300+ rounds a week.
We use strictly single stage and that many isn't a problem at all with it though. 2.5-3 hours would get it done.

bangbig
January 9, 2012, 09:14 PM
I also shoot 300 rounds a week, I load on a lee turret press and while it is possible(I've been doing it for a year now) I think a progressive press is in my future. You just can't match it's output.
I'll take that Lee turret off your hands to help pay for that progressive!

RustyFN
January 9, 2012, 09:53 PM
Not only will the reloads be cheaper but also a lot more accurate. I have a friend that shot his 40 from a Ransom rest. He shot two mags of WWB and two mags of reloads. On an 8.5 by 11 piece of paper with the reloads he was getting 2" groups and with the WWB he was only able to get 9 out of 12 bullets to hit the paper each mag.

As far as cost I buy in bulk. I max out a hazmat fee every order. That's 50,000 primers or 48 pounds of powder. I am still reloading,
9mm $70 per 1,000
38 spcl $70 per 1,000
45 auto $25 per 1,000 ( I cast my own bullets )
223 $110 per 1,000

Constrictor
January 9, 2012, 11:13 PM
My cost per box varies, but buying the cheapest I've found is:

Primers - you an find for $20 per thousand depending on brand and quanity purchased.
Bullets - $22 per 500 for 9mm Z Cast Bulletz (9mm 125gr cast lead)
Powder - $101 per 8lbs of Alliant Unique which will do approximately 11,000 rounds.
Brass - free - reuse and pick up at the range.

At those prices you're looking at - per 100 rounds - $2 in primers, $0.90 in powder, and $4.40 in bullets.

So $7.30 per 100.

If you'd prefer not to shoot lead, then primers stay the same. $80 per 1000 Precision Delta 124gr bullets, and I switch to Bullseye on jacketed bullets so same price on 8lbs of powder but you'll get 13k rounds out of it instead of 11k.

So per 100 of the FMJ loads its still $2 in primers, $0.78 in powder, and $8.00 in bullets - so $10.78 per 100.

There are shipping costs to figure in, but if you buy in large volumes you can get around those to a large degree. Shipping on the bullets actually isn't that bad (the Precision Delta above ship free and with the Z-Cast I think you can order around 3000 for only $12 shipping). The primers and powder - just order primers at least 10,000 at a time and powder 16+lbs at a time.

One thing to consider too is that while IMHO, the lead reloads are just kinda range fodder (they shoot ok, but when I shoot lead I'm doing it solely because its cheap), but the FMJ reloads that you do will typically be a LOT better and more consistent than WWB.
id like to see your sources for these prices, including shipping and hazmat fee.
I just loaded a bunch of lead .45 acp with old primers @ 13.99/1000 and the price per box was $5.20

blarby
January 9, 2012, 11:57 PM
And then there are the intangibles. Accuracy, pride, customization unavailability, etc. What value do you put on them?

That is a very high value for me.

I particularly enjoy this set of "intangibles" :

I('m?) saved(ing?) a lot of money on equipment using whack-a-mole stuff. This allows me much more cash for components.

More cash for components multiplies the amount of time spent at the bench exponentially by being forced to manipulate my inferior equipment more often.... and thus deprives me of the time necessary to be held hostage on the couch watching "the good wife" reruns.

All of this elbow-grease time has taught me how to make some FANTASTIC ammo -from beginning to end- the hard way, and what effect each of the 4 strokes has on the treasure i'm creating. Thats a skill I'll have forever !

Time is not always a cost........ Sometimes, its the cash itself.

Hardtarget
January 10, 2012, 12:24 AM
Cost savings aside...reloading is a great addition to the fun of your shooting time. I just like shooting my own reloads. Each bang and puff of smoke is kind of a connection to old time shooters. Bullit casting and reloading was a often a necessity and I like being a part of that history.

To some, shooting is an extension of their reloading time. Others see reloading an extension of their shooting time. Works either way for me. :D

Mark

Arkansas Paul
January 10, 2012, 12:46 AM
Cost savings aside...reloading is a great addition to the fun of your shooting time. I just like shooting my own reloads.


Agree 100%.
I now have guns that have never fired a factory round. I love that.

dacavasi
January 10, 2012, 01:04 AM
While I will never deny the savings and pleasure afforded by reloading, I agree with Constrictor in his reply to mgmorden, and wonder how he finds primers/powder/bullets so cheaply in this day and age. My reload cost/100 is about $10.50 for 9mm and about $12 for 45 ACP, using spent brass and Berger or similar plated bullets.

jcwit
January 10, 2012, 02:29 AM
Buy surplus powder can still be bought in the neighborhood of $15 if purchased in bulk even with the Hazmet fee. Primers are available for $20 a thousand and again if purchased in quanity the Hazmet does not add that much to the final price.

If you have a club to go thru one can even bypass the hazmet fees.

Now then if you cast your own bullets they become free for all practical purposes, and of course cases from the range are usually in plentifull supply for the picking.

Been doing it this way for 20 years or longer, quality 22 ammo costs me much more per round. The real good stuff is now in the $ .28 cents per round if you can find it. Next best is $ .18 cents per round. But then you do hit what you aim at, precisely every time.

luis7
January 10, 2012, 06:55 AM
HI.
In Espaņa and casting my own bullets have a price of 3.9$/50 ctg box 9mm parab 125 gn.
A little more expensive.
If I buy bullets around it will have a price of 10.5$/50 ctg.
Greetings.

CraigC
January 10, 2012, 09:03 AM
Never figure in the cost of brass. Cases get reused so many times that spread out over the lifetime of a brass case, the cost is negligible, even if you buy it new. You will also save a ton of money by using cast bullets, rather than jacketed. Look for a local commercial caster to save even more. I reload more .44Mag than any other cartridge and do so for about $7/50rds.

RustyFN
January 10, 2012, 12:41 PM
and wonder how he finds primers/powder/bullets so cheaply in this day and age.

Powder Valley,
primers = $20 per 1,000
powder = $118 for 8 pounds, $14.75 per pound
bullets = where ever you can find them cheap or cast your own

DoubleSawbuck
January 10, 2012, 12:54 PM
Powder Valley has the best prices I've found...

8# HP38 (W231) - $110.50
1k Wolf LPP - $15.50
Mastercast.com 1k 200g LSWC - $55.71

Price per 50 w/o shipping... $4.05

(I haven't used Mastercast yet but I've heard good things)

jcwit
January 10, 2012, 01:15 PM
Here are 2 very reasonable companies

http://www.gibrass.com/index.html

http://hi-techammo.com/

Hope this helps.

AirForceShooter
January 10, 2012, 01:57 PM
How are you figuring in the cost of equipment that can run hundreds of dollars?

AFS

DoubleSawbuck
January 10, 2012, 02:53 PM
How are you figuring in the cost of equipment that can run hundreds of dollars?

That's the price of the hobby I suppose. However, the price of your equipment should be inline with the amount you load. I wouldn't go spend big bucks on a progressive with all the bells and whistles if I was unsure that I'd like the hobby or if I only intended to load a couple hundred rounds here or there.

WhistlinDixie
January 10, 2012, 03:10 PM
Yea, I figure that the price of a lee turret press and the bare essentials will be paid off by half price ammo fairly quickly.

Arkansas Paul
January 10, 2012, 03:58 PM
Yeah, I don't count the cost of equipment either, because handloading is a hobby in itself to me. When I think of how much I spend on golf, I don't factor in the cost of my clubs. :)

rick300
January 10, 2012, 10:10 PM
When I started, I tried to figure how many rounds it would take to pay for the tools. I spent about $600. One guy on this forum (I forget who) said "That first round cost you $600 the rest are cheap.

I got the RCBS Rockchucker supreme kit. Later I got the Lee clasic cast turret. Wished I got that first. My original investment would have been $350 or so.

Before I reloaded, in my range bag was a bunch of .22 and a box or two of whatever caliber I was shooting that day. I was sad to see the last round go.

Now I shoot 'till I don't want to. And when I get home sorting and counting the brass is more fun than cleaning the guns.

Reloading is relaxing for me. I don't count rounds per hour, but the turret is about my speed .

If you're detail oriented you will love the hoby, but you won't save money "You'll just shoot more" Rick

rori
January 10, 2012, 10:33 PM
At $21.00 a hundred for 9mm ammo I wouldn't bother reloading for plinking!!! I would most definately reload for self defense and serious target practice. Savings isn't a concern for me when it comes to my life or serious competition. FRJ

David E
January 10, 2012, 10:44 PM
. It was looking like it would cost us about 16 bucks per 100 box to reload. WWB is 21 for 100 at Wal-Mart. He didn't think 6 bucks a box was worth the hassle.
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I bet you factored in cost of brass, thinking you would buy new brass each time.

Brass is the most expensive component initially, but it's the only component you can use over and over and over....to the point of NOT counting the cost of brass in your calculations. Try that and see what your price is. Also, lead bullets cost less than jacketed, so take that into account as well.

jcwit
January 10, 2012, 11:21 PM
At $21.00 a hundred for 9mm ammo I wouldn't bother reloading for plinking!!! I would most definately reload for self defense and serious target practice. Savings isn't a concern for me when it comes to my life or serious competition. FRJ

Say what? I can use the savings to buy another firearm, or pay my taxes.

I believe in not wasting my funds.

Remember I stated I reload handgun ammo for less than $2.00 a hundred. If I'd use todays pricing I still could reload for approx $6.50 a hundred. Thats $14.50 in my pocket every 100 rounds. My health kept me from shooting as much the last 2 years but if I'd put as many down range as I used to the 3 summer months would run $3150 about, just in plinking ammo. Instead I spent less than $300.

RustyFN
January 10, 2012, 11:56 PM
Remember I stated I reload handgun ammo for less than $2.00 a hundred.

Another boolit caster. It's the only way to go. With my cast bullets I'm at $2.50 per 100.

David E
January 11, 2012, 01:37 AM
Another boolit caster. It's the only way to go. With my cast bullets I'm at $2.50 per 100.

What, you make your own primers, too?

WhistlinDixie
January 11, 2012, 10:40 AM
I didnt factor in brass. I get about 1k 9mm from the public range every time i go.

RustyFN
January 11, 2012, 11:13 AM
What, you make your own primers, too?

No I buy them for $15 per 1,000.

slowr1der
January 11, 2012, 02:52 PM
I'm not trying to discourage you from reloading, because I think it's great, and a fun hobby. However, I think some of the guys in this thread are either full of it, or using supplies they purchased 20 years ago. My experience using Winchester 124 grain 9mm bullets thrown in on another order, so not counting shipping, primers that cost me around $30 per 1000, and Power Pistol Powder, and it was costing me around low $9 per box and that was before the latest price increase. Now that the price has increased at Powder Valley, it's going to run darn near $10, and to be honest, Walmart sells Federal 9mm 100 packs for $19.98. I just can't beat that, and not to mention that's including the brass where as the reloads are considering the brass free, since I already had it.

Now, I know you can get lead bullets cheaper, but I don't want to shoot lead, nor is that what I'm buying from Walmart. You can also get cheaper primers and powder if you buy in large lots, but I don't want to purchase $1000 or even $500 worth of powders/primer, just to save a tiny bit extra over what I'm paying now. To save any once you factor in shipping and hazmat, I've got to order a ton just to break even.

So I don't think reloading FMJ 9mm is going to save you a ton of money no matter how you look at it. You also will most likely have several hundred dollars in equipment as well as the time it takes you to reload these rounds.

That being said, what can save you money is reloading HP bullets for the 9mm. In factory ammo, the ammo price increases greatly for HP rounds, and it doesn't so much in reloading.

The other area I save a lot reloading is with rifle rounds. That said, I think some figures on rifle rounds in here are too low as well. $2.53 for 30-06 FMJ, about $1.25 with plastic projectiles, & $4.40 for hunting rounds per box of 20.

.243 is $4.40 per 20(no cheep bullets for this one.These have to be either super old components or homemade bullets, free brass, and powder and primers most likely pulled powder purchased in bulk. There is no way you can get these prices using commercial components now days. I reload for a .243 with Hornady SST bullets, IMR 4831 powder purchased in bulk, and CCI primers I paid $28 per 1000 for, free brass, and not counting my time, and it's costing me around $9 or slightly over to reload 20 rounds. Now I know you can get some cheaper bullets that are still good quality, but I don't think you can get them cheap enough to cut that total price in half. I also don't think you can get any 30-06 FMJ bullets for the price you mentioned, not including powder, primers, etc.

That said, at $9 a box it's still a large savings over the SST rounds from the store at $25-30 per box of $20, and my reloads are a lot more accurate as well. Heck at $9 per box it's a lot cheaper than the $15 .243 Federal Power Shoks which are about the cheapest decent hunting ammo I've found. So in my case, I'm saving a lot with the rifle rounds, and I think this is where you save the money. I just don't think you save quite as much as some people are making it sound.

David E
January 11, 2012, 03:08 PM
No I buy them for $15 per 1,000.

Pray tell, where are you getting 1000 primers for $15 these days?

Brand? Shipping costs? Tax?

jcwit
January 11, 2012, 03:15 PM
Well then slowr1der, I guess you'll just have to be content spending more.

Granted, I bought loads of primers on a store going out of business for alittle less than $50 bucks a case. I purchased cases and cases of them, all he had, more than likely will never need to burchase more. Some of my powder is surplus and some of it is pulldown, and some of it was given to me. Cost runs anywhere from $10 a lb. to free. Cases are free as is the cast bullets unless one wishes to cost out the price for white gas to run the burner. Here in No. Indiana Amish country we can still buy white gas/Coleman Fuel at the pump for approx $4.00 a gal. One Gal. will cast 10's of thousands of bullets.

OBTW the lead is free.

Best

DoubleSawbuck
January 11, 2012, 03:30 PM
slowr1der, while the savings for 9mm in FMJ may not be huge I still think you could do better. Here's the prices I found that may save you some cash and allow you to have more accurate ammo.

1k Precision Delta 124g FMJ - $79 shipped
1k Tula SPP - $20
8# HP38 - $110.50 (4.8g charge)
$5.42 per box of 50 plus shipping


Sure you have to order a little more to offset the price of shipping and hazmat but you don't have to go nuts. I typically order 5k primers at at time and then throw some powder on the same order. It's still cheaper then buying it at the LGS.

Also I'd like to suggest you give lead a try. It's not as dirty or dangerous as you've read, it's cheaper, just as accurate and the paper targets don't care what they're shot with.

kingmt
January 11, 2012, 04:15 PM
All of my components have been purchased in the last year. The powder can not be found anymore but was so cheep it didn't come to a half of a cent per round(wish I would have bought more then 8lb). Primers 2 cent from PV with free shipping & hazmat, brass free, bullets 20 cent for V-max or Nosler from Wal-mart(I did forget to include tax & gas since it was a local purchase). $4.40 per 20. The 243 is actually a little cheeper because I bought the V-max at $15 per 100 but to replace them is $20. Those M19 bullets were cheep & so was the FMJ.

Sorry if you don't know how to buy smart. I'm cheep so if I know it is going to be used I don't mind buying in bulk. Who can't use 3K bullets or 8lb of powder? With the free hazmat I only bought the 5K primers because I could do better on powder. The only canister powder I have is a 8lb of Bullseye & 4lb of Red Dot that I bought before I know how to save money.

Some/most of my powder has no data. I work up my data myself. It isn't for most but you can still get close to my prices with canister powder because everyone can buy in the same places & amounts I do.

RustyFN
January 11, 2012, 05:30 PM
Pray tell, where are you getting 1000 primers for $15 these days?

Brand? Shipping costs? Tax?

Powder Valley or Graf's with a C&R license. Here are some normal prices at Graf's without the C&R discount.

MAGTECH PRIMER SMALL PISTOL 5000/CS
Our Price: $132.99 $99.99 SALE!

SELLIER & BELLOT PRIMER SMALL PISTOL 5000/CS
Our Price: $132.99 $99.99 SALE

Powder Valley prices.

WOLF LARGE PISTOL PRIMERS (KVB45)- per 1000 Yes $15.50

WOLF SMALL RIFLE PRIMERS (KVB223)- per 1000 Yes $15.50

WINCHESTER 231 - 8 LBS. Yes $118.00

WINCHESTER SUPER-TARGET (WST) - 8 LBS. Yes $117.00

I also see adds a lot for free hazmat if you order 32 pounds of powder or 15,000 primeres if I remember right. If you have to pay shipping and hazmat it only adds $1 per thousand when you order 50,000 primers.

I'm not trying to discourage you from reloading, because I think it's great, and a fun hobby. However, I think some of the guys in this thread are either full of it, or using supplies they purchased 20 years ago.

The prices above are todays prices.
Powder for 1,000 rounds = $10
Primers for 1,000 rounds = $16.50
your own cast bullets = free
total for 1,000 rounds = $26.50

Don't blame us because you don't know how to shop.

kingmt
January 11, 2012, 08:44 PM
Rusty

I thought I was doing good until I read that. I kinda like the jacked tho.

slowr1der
January 11, 2012, 10:03 PM
All of my components have been purchased in the last year. The powder can not be found anymore but was so cheep it didn't come to a half of a cent per round(wish I would have bought more then 8lb). Primers 2 cent from PV with free shipping & hazmat, brass free, bullets 20 cent for V-max or Nosler from Wal-mart(I did forget to include tax & gas since it was a local purchase). $4.40 per 20. The 243 is actually a little cheeper because I bought the V-max at $15 per 100 but to replace them is $20. Those M19 bullets were cheep & so was the FMJ.

Sorry if you don't know how to buy smart. I'm cheep so if I know it is going to be used I don't mind buying in bulk. Who can't use 3K bullets or 8lb of powder? With the free hazmat I only bought the 5K primers because I could do better on powder. The only canister powder I have is a 8lb of Bullseye & 4lb of Red Dot that I bought before I know how to save money.

Some/most of my powder has no data. I work up my data myself. It isn't for most but you can still get close to my prices with canister powder because everyone can buy in the same places & amounts I do.So, it's powder that the rest of us can't buy at a price anywhere near that. I also don't think the majority of us can get the bullets for that price, as my local Walmart sells them, but not for $15 a box for either of those. The primers, I agree that you can get for that price, or slightly less if you don't factor in shipping or hazmat.

As for not knowing how to shop most of you guys are listing stuff from Powder Valley, and while maybe the offer free shipping and hazmat if you order enough at some times, I've never seen it. I've seen it with Grafs, but their prices are quite a bit higher in most cases. Many are also saying free for the cast bullets. This is great if you cast your own, but there are a lot of guys that don't. This is also saying you get your lead for free, which unfortunately isn't the case with everyone. You also aren't getting FMJ similar to what you'd buy at the store for these prices.

I'm not saying you can't order $1000 worth of stuff at a time and cheapo bullets and get your cost down somewhat, without ordering a super large quantity like that, and without using lead bullets, or cast bullets, it doesn't seem like it's easy to get that cheap. However, a previous poster did point out how he got the cost down to $5.50 a box with FMJ, and that's pretty impressive. A lot better than I'd have expected. This still isn't as low as some guys are claiming, but it's pretty decent.

RustyFN
January 11, 2012, 10:51 PM
As for not knowing how to shop most of you guys are listing stuff from Powder Valley, and while maybe the offer free shipping and hazmat if you order enough at some times, I've never seen it. I've seen it with Grafs, but their prices are quite a bit higher in most cases. Many are also saying free for the cast bullets. This is great if you cast your own, but there are a lot of guys that don't. This is also saying you get your lead for free, which unfortunately isn't the case with everyone.

We never said everybody could reload for the exact same price that we could. The question was " price per box on your reloads " and when we told our price you basically told us we were full of BS. If you read some of our posts you will see that anybody that shops smart and wants to put out a little effort can load very close to our price.

jcwit
January 12, 2012, 12:09 AM
Try being the Procurement Officer for an RV company for a few years or even a lowly buyer/Purchasing Agent, you'll very quickly learn how to get to the bottom dollar an most anything you wish to buy.

Worked in purchasing since I was 13 years old till the last 20 years when I owned my own company, retired at the age of 58 and have been enjoying it for 10 years now.

Pricing and buying is an art!

David E
January 12, 2012, 12:13 AM
What are sources for FMJ bullets have good prices for 9mm, .40 and .45?

The best I've found is Precision Delta where .45 230's are $119 per 1000 shipped. .40 180's are $115 and 9mm 147's are $85

You can knock off $4 per 1000 when you buy 10,000 at a time.

kingmt
January 12, 2012, 10:48 AM
I said you can't buy the one I use because it was so cheap even people that didn't like it bought it up. There is still cheap powder out there. The trade off is sometimes you have to work up your own data but most of the time someone has already done the work for you. The powder is a small part of the cost anyway.

I'm not going to count it again but I think I figured it at the $20 a box. When I bought them they were & $15. Like I said there is no private club I belong to & anyone can buy at the same prices.

I don't spend $1000 at a time but I do spend $300 most of the time. I hate paying shipping so I try to buy as much as I can on one shipping just like I try to get everything in one trip so I don't pay the gas for another trip.

WhistlinDixie
January 12, 2012, 01:29 PM
I get what you are saying, Slow. However, even if i completely ignore that abilities that reloading gives me (saving on other rounds like 45 acp, loading lighter loads for new shooters I teach, getting more accuracy than WWB, etc) 13 dollars a box savings is still nothing to sneeze at.

David E
January 14, 2012, 02:42 PM
No one has a better price for FMJ's?

mo841
January 14, 2012, 05:26 PM
reloading for my 500 S&W mag cost me $59/50 rounds. that is buying everything from my local reloading gun shop. I have recently found everything I need alot cheeper online and when I have the money to buy in bulk I should be able to cut it down to $24/50 rounds.

res7s
January 14, 2012, 06:31 PM
My favorite loads come up like this.

30-30(the powder and primers didn't have a hazmat fee or shipping, Primers $20.00/1000, Powder PROMO 85.00/8lb)
6.0gr of Promo, Ideal 308241 RN PB bullet, free brass, $39.11/1000 rounds, $1.96/50 rounds, $0.039/round.

44 magnum(powder and primers same as before)
6.0gr Promo, 318gr GC SWC, free brass, $66.10/1000 rounds, $3.30/50 rounds, $0.066/round.

40 S&W(primers bought same as before, powder NATO AA#7 $80.00/ 8lb)
7.8gr AA#7(NATO powder), Lee 401-175-TC, free brass, $31.84/1000 rounds, $1.59/50 rounds, $0.032/round.

357 magnum(primers same as before, Powder NATO AA#7 $80.00/8lb)
10.0gr AA#7(NATO powder), 158gr SWC(have three boxes that I traded for, basically free) free brass, $35.18/1000 rounds, $1.76/50 rounds, $0.035/round

30-30(primers same as before, powder got on trade figure $10-15.00/pound, went with $25.00 in calculator)
33.0gr W748, Ranch Dog TLC30-165-RF 175gr GC(GC's were $19.00/1000), free brass, $156.86/1000 rounds, $7.84/50 rounds, $0.157/round.

30-30(primers same as before, powder got on trade(free) going with free on this one)
29.0gr IMR-4895, Lyman 311041 172gr GC(GC's $19.00/1000), free brass, $39.00/1000 rounds, $1.95/50 rounds, $0.039/round.

30-30(primers same as before, free powder)
30.0gr IMR-4350, RCBS 30-180-FN 196gr GC(GC's $19.00/1000), free brass, $39.00/1000 rounds, $1.95/50 rounds, $0.039/round.

Sport45
January 14, 2012, 11:39 PM
The ammunition I reload is free. :)

I figure the components I have stockpiled in the garage and on the closet shelf as a sunk investment. It's not like I can make any money selling the stuff.

My reloading hobby, othe the other hand, can get a little pricey.

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