Navy Seal gives us a sad reminder about gun safety


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January 7, 2012, 10:26 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/01/07/4170524/navy-seal-dies-after-accidentally.html

The Associated Press
Published: Saturday, Jan. 7, 2012 - 5:58 pm
SAN DIEGO -- Navy officials have confirmed that a Navy SEAL who accidentally shot himself in the head has died.

Navy spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Frank Magallon tells the U-T San Diego (http://bit.ly/ycqw4O) that Petty Officer 3rd Class Gene "Geno" Clayont, Jr. was taken off life support on Saturday. He is survived by his parents and three sisters.

San Diego police were called on Thursday after the accident. Police say Clayton had gone to a bar and brought a woman back to his apartment and was showing her guns when he put a pistol to his head, believing it was unloaded, and pulled the trigger.

Paramedics took Clayton to a San Diego hospital where he was placed on life support.

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beatledog7
January 7, 2012, 10:32 PM
Tragic, and so avoidable.

rcmodel
January 7, 2012, 10:34 PM
Good grief!

I guess even SEAL training can't fix coming home drunk from a bar with a "lady", and showing her your gun isn't loaded.
By blowing your brains out.

I want to comment further.
But that would be even less THR then what I already said.

rc

Win73
January 7, 2012, 10:37 PM
Tragic, and so avoidable.

Just goes to show what booze can do for you. Another good reason to stay out of bars.

Yosemite Sam
January 7, 2012, 10:37 PM
Good grief!

I guess even SEAL training can't fix coming home drunk from a bar with a "lady", and showing her your gun isn't loaded.
By blowing your brains out.

I want to comment further.
But that would be even less THR then what I already said.

rc
I'm thinking the same thing, rcmodel. What's tragic is that the same story plays itself over and over: guys showing off guns to their girls. I think this happened in 2010 in St. Louis too. Including putting gun to head and pulling trigger after mentioning it was unloaded.

Win73
January 7, 2012, 10:48 PM
That's why there is no such thing as an unloaded gun.

gunnutery
January 7, 2012, 11:27 PM
RC you said it very plainly but perfectly.

My prayers go out to his family and the girl that had to witness it.

gspn
January 8, 2012, 12:24 AM
That girl is going to have nightmares for a long time. Sad and so avoidable.:banghead:

Aiko492
January 8, 2012, 12:51 AM
It has all been said, booze and guns do not mix. Unless he passed in the last day or so, he was fighting for his life last I read. Did not want to throw the towel in on him if he was still hanging in.

TexasRifleman
January 8, 2012, 12:56 AM
Very sad. My question is, are women actually moved by this whole act of putting a gun to one's head? I can't imagine anyone would think that's impressive. You would think that the opposite result would happen, that the woman would immediately decide this is someone who should not reproduce.

Birch Knoll
January 8, 2012, 01:00 AM
I have a hard time considering an act of such transcendent stupidity to be sad. As Heinlein said:
“Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.”

Zombiphobia
January 8, 2012, 01:08 AM
I see 'A Navy SEAL who accidentally shot himself in the head'.... wow. An expert in the use of weapons accidentally shot himself in the head???

No sympathy here, he was a moron. Even idiots sometimes make it into elite military units. Good riddance. My condolences to his friends and family, but we're better off without his type in our military. If he could accidentally shoot himself in the head, what's to keep him from accidentally calling an airstrike on the wrong part part of a city, or accidentally shooting the wrong person in a hostage-rescue, or accidentally arming a grenade still attached to his vest killing his whole friggin team?

You gotta be a talented sort of stupid to accidentally shoot yourself above the legs, period, let alone the head, he must have been aiming carefully...

edit: oh I see he put it to his head, so he DID do it on purpose. To impress a female. I dunno how they do things in the Navy but in the Army we're preached to and preched to about NOT trying too hard to impress anyone other than the guy grading our performances during training sessions as the only confidence boosters we need are the 'good job' of the training cadre and the promotions and occasional medals/awards/ribbons/devices etc.. that may come with our good performance.

12gaugeTim
January 8, 2012, 01:09 AM
How can you not find that sad? Was it stupid? Very! Am I sympathetic towards his parents and sister? Very! How about the girl that stood in front of him and asked him to put the guns up, causing him to demonstrate that they were "unloaded"? I can imagine a guilt complex in addition to an unerasable, terrible memory. It's an utter tragedy. An utterly stupid tragedy but a tragedy nevertheless.

Zombiphobia
January 8, 2012, 01:23 AM
what's sad to me is this caliber of soldier is allowed into Special Operations forces. As I said, my condolences to his friends and family, but we're better off without him. It takes a talented sort of stupid to do what he did.

12gaugeTim
January 8, 2012, 01:30 AM
I find it hard to believe that his death could be considered a good thing by any one of the members here. That's just disgusting.

bushmaster1313
January 8, 2012, 01:40 AM
Navy Seal is dead.
I thank him for his service to our Country.
Even if he did a stupid thing that cost him his life, our Nation is diminshed by his death.

Keb
January 8, 2012, 02:07 AM
People rack their autoloaders to inspect for an empty chamber. Then they release the slide and load it. All because they forget to drop the loaded magazine first.

BleysAhrens
January 8, 2012, 02:12 AM
My Navy is a safer place with out this guy in it. I don't know about anyone else, but I remember idiots who would pull there sidearm just to look at it and eject the cartridge and reload it all while hanging out in there work-center on the ship. I did 2 years In-port Security on a carrier, and believe me, we got all kinds of crazies not caring what the chief warrant yelled at them while qualifying on a weapon. So I'm not happy about it, but I'm not gonna fly a flag for him either.

opsman
January 8, 2012, 02:13 AM
I feel for his family those that knew him and most of all that poor girl whom he obviously was trying to impress. As Ron White put it "You can't cure stupid"

With that being said I find it very disturbing reading the comments of one of the members here, have some respect for your fellow man. Glad your not in the Army now. You certainly have the right to your opinon, but in light of the situation comments such as those are not appropriate.

csa77
January 8, 2012, 02:38 AM
i truly feel bad for his family. though im shocked that this guy made it as a seal. i mean really how stupid do you have to be to do that, drunk or not. yeah lets prove a gun unloaded by putting it to your head. he certainly earned his Darwin award.

Zombiphobia
January 8, 2012, 02:43 AM
yes they are appropriate. regardless of what he did under orders, this action automatically wins him a 1st place gold metal darwin award.

Sure, thanks for service and all, but he was an imbecile, and as a result, a person is now traumatized and he's dead.

All those countless hours of weapon safety.. *le sigh*. Those safety lectures are repeated over and over and over and we practice checking our weapons over and over and over so that it is imbedded into our subconsious to prevent crap like this.

I've done some dumb things with firearms and had some really dumb negligent dishcharges, but NOT TO MY FRICKIN HEAD!!!! Not to impress anyone. Not to prove anything.... screw what his services were he was still an idiot!!!

In light of the situation my comments are extra appropriate to help others realize what a dumb move this was, and this action of negligent suicide commited by a professional warrior.. in an act of plain jane STUPIDITY to get his dong played with. I'm sorry.. but b4 this gets cleared for being insensitive I hope anyone reading can pull their head from keister long enough to think 'yup what an imbecile... how does a SEAL, a pro warrior, a weapons expert do soemthing like this.. by being DUMB." Keep that in mind and put sentiment aside until you can understand what a DUMB move this was on HIS part and now how emotionall and psychologically traumatized a civilian is goign to be for the rest of her life.. because he acted DUMB and blew his brains out in front of her trying to be cool. His position in as an elite military warrior does, in no way whatsoever excuse that, it makes the situation 1,000 times worse. He should receive a post-husmously awarded medal of stupidity. If this were the dumb ass olympics, he just won gold, silver AND bronze!!!

Whatever his position was should not take away from how STUPID his actions were.

Respect for my fellow man? I have respect for my fellow man, but only when they deserve it. This guy.. I respect his resolve and determination that eventually led to his being accepted into an elite military unit, I respect his physical endurance and strength, and I respect that he put a bullet THROUGH HIS OWN HEAD to impress a girl even though he's been trained very thoroughly on weapons safety.

Dr.Mall Ninja
January 8, 2012, 02:48 AM
Really really sad.. You would think that a SEAL would be trained well enough to never think about putting a gun to his own head.

Ignition Override
January 8, 2012, 02:49 AM
This concerns a different branch of the DOD.

Reportedly some soldiers returned from a range in Germany.

When an enlisted guy asked an officer to clear his Beretta 9mm handgun, the officer did not like the question or insinuation.

The officer aimed the Beretta at the young soldiers' chest and pulled the trigger. The soldier died from the injury.
If this story is not true then please contradict it.

ChileRelleno
January 8, 2012, 02:53 AM
There is usually a chain of mistakes leading up to an accident, each one compounds the likelihood and/or severity of the accident.
Break one link and the chain is usually broken.

1) Inebriation, not necessarily a mistake. ;)

2) Picking up bar tramp, not necessarily a mistake. ;)

3) Showing off firearm to impress bar tramp, definitely a mistake and 1 & 2 just became mistakes.

4) Forgetting Golden Rule #1... Big Freaking Mistake!

The chains that bind us, are usually of our own making.

12gaugeTim
January 8, 2012, 10:44 AM
Yeah, let's throw a party, a SEAL died because he was showing off guns while he was drunk! Best news I've heard in a while! I'm over-freaking-joyed! I hope even more SEALs die today! Woohoo!

SimplyChad
January 8, 2012, 10:58 AM
Override I have no doubt that stuff like that has happened. Im an armorer and Ive had people normally officer argue we me alot about stuff like that. I can also tell you that if one ever leveled a weapon at me in my cage things would get bad. I can count 4 times in the 3 months before i deployed that someone has tryed to turn in a loaded weapon after they said theyve cleaned it. 2 of those times it was the same butterbar

jon_in_wv
January 8, 2012, 11:00 AM
I wouldn't do that with one of my guns if it was disassembled. Why someone would do that with a deadly weapon is beyond me. Its a tragic and senseless loss for his family.

SlamFire1
January 8, 2012, 11:12 AM
A young man I knew died the same way.

He had one of those earlier S&W autoloaders with a firing pin block safety on the slide. It had an additional safety near the grip.

He used to chamber a round, take the grip safety off, point it at people, and pull the trigger, as a joke. Because the firing pin block safety prevented the pistol from firing he thought people’s reactions were funny.

He eventually got the idea that the people he was pointing the pistol at did not find any humor in his actions so he modified his clown routine.

He would point the pistol at his head and pull the trigger.

He did this one day at the gun store he worked. He explained the safeties to a man across the counter, handed the man his gun, took it back. He loaded it, pointed the muzzle at his head, and pulled the trigger.

Unfortunately he did not notice that the customer had moved the firing pin block safety.

I knew this guy, went hunting with him, he was a decent person, and I wish he had not killed himself.

Flintknapper
January 8, 2012, 11:13 AM
opsman wrote:

I feel for his family those that knew him and most of all that poor girl whom he obviously was trying to impress. As Ron White put it "You can't cure stupid"

With that being said I find it very disturbing reading the comments of one of the members here, have some respect for your fellow man. Glad your not in the Army now. You certainly have the right to your opinon, but in light of the situation comments such as those are not appropriate.

Since when is speaking the TRUTH inappropriate? :confused:

There are times in life when we should employ the use of a "filter" when speaking of delicate subjects...we all understand that. But stating the OBVIOUS...with respect to gun safety doesn't fall under that banner.

I am not questioning this Seal's overall intelligence....but he certainly displayed a moment of incredible stupidity....and I would say that to anyone.

Lets be intellectually honest folks, it doesn't matter if this guy was a Navy Seal or just a regular Joe. What he did was stupid, reckless and deadly...and SHOULD be openly and publicly condemned.

My thoughts and prayers for his family and the woman who had to witness the act.

Plan2Live
January 8, 2012, 11:19 AM
The actions of the deceased military member are obvious given the outcome.

As for the female involved, who are we to judge her character or intentions simply becasue she accepted this man's offer to go to a more private location? Calling her a bar tramp or putting the word Lady in quotations is completely out of line and more than a bit presumptuous. Think things through before you cast judgment and post "Gentlemen", after all, this is supposed to be The High Road.

TexasRifleman
January 8, 2012, 11:35 AM
Well that's enough. This isn't something to celebrate. It's sad for the folks this guy left behind.

Actions have consequences but we don't need to be cruel in discussing it.

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