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DeepSouth
January 8, 2012, 10:49 PM
I read a entire book once on Hypocrite gun control advocates, my dad had it years ago, I think was Politically Correct Guns by Alan Gottlieb but I can't remember for sure.

Here is an article (http://blog.al.com/live/2011/12/does_mayor_sam_jones_have_a_pi.html)I found interesting, short version is the Mayor of Mobile came home and found a stranger in his garage, pulled a gun on him and held him at gun point until the police got there. The Mayor is a member of Mayor's Against Illegal Guns and will not comment on weather or not he has a permit. :uhoh::uhoh:

It always amazes me how the antis in power seem to be "anti 2A for every one else, but pro 2A for myself." May be that's what they mean when they talk about supporting the 2A. They support themselves having the right to bear arms but not everyone else.

Feel free to share some Hypocrite anti stories, somehow I bet there's a lot of them.

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TwoWheelFiend
January 8, 2012, 11:05 PM
Ever watched the Penn & Teller episode of Bullshi* about gun control? Its from season 3 i believe. If you ever get a chance watch it, its good stuff. And of course HE needs a gun. Hes the mayor. Why should everyone else be able to have one?

whatever
January 8, 2012, 11:14 PM
He's against illegal guns. I am too*. Does that make me a hypocrite?





*by "illegal guns" I assume it means prohibited persons fwho have guns. I sure would prefer "rehabilited" violent felons to not have guns.

Hossfly68
January 8, 2012, 11:17 PM
I wondered if anybody else saw that story. If you're familiar with Mobile though, you'd understand. That man has flushed this town down the drain.
Gun sales and carry permits are through the roof here these days.
I'm originally from Memphis. I left there the day Willie Herrington took the mayor's office. He had been accused of rape. He was rotten to the core. And Memphis paid for it. I don't go into town when I visit home anymore. Give it a few years. Mobile will be the same.

TwoWheelFiend
January 8, 2012, 11:21 PM
He's against illegal guns. I am too*. Does that make me a hypocrite?





*by "illegal guns" I assume it means prohibited persons fwho have guns. I sure would prefer "rehabilited" violent felons to not have guns.
If you read anything about "mayors against illegal guns" you would not support them. Do some research

Ignition Override
January 8, 2012, 11:27 PM
Twowheelfiend:

Thanks. I just watched that Penn & Teller episode and it is interesting.
Better gun control was achieved a week ago with my SKS.:)

Gun control means much more success hitting a small Coke bottle from 30-50 yards with this new aperture sight!

mark1616
January 8, 2012, 11:31 PM
Reminds me of Sarah Brady, who tries to disarm every law abiding citizen, and gives speeches about how no one should be allowed to carry a gun except the police, all the while surrounded by private armed security personnel.

The-Reaver
January 8, 2012, 11:34 PM
If you read anything about "mayors against illegal guns" you would not support them. Do some research
Thumbs up & " Whatever "
If he does not have a permit where required it would make him as criminal as I if I did not.

LibShooter
January 8, 2012, 11:51 PM
Mayor Jones used a gun to thwart a robbery in his home. That's not illegal in Mobile, Alabama. There's nothing hypocritical about opposing illegal guns and using a gun legally.

Yes, The Honorable Mr. Jones belongs to "Mayors Against Illegal Guns." Here's what they say on their website:

"We support the Second Amendment and the rights of citizens to own guns. We recognize that the vast majority of gun dealers and gun owners carefully follow the law. And we know that a policy that is appropriate for a small town in one region of the country is not necessarily appropriate for a big city in another region of the country."


Other members of that organization have been very unfriendly to gun owners. If the group's founder, Mayor Bloomberg had done what Mr. Jones did that would have been hypocritical because having a .38 in NYC is almost alway illegal.

TwoWheelFiend
January 9, 2012, 12:06 AM
Mayor Jones used a gun to thwart a robbery in his home. That's not illegal in Mobile, Alabama. There's nothing hypocritical about opposing illegal guns and using a gun legally.

Yes, The Honorable Mr. Jones belongs to "Mayors Against Illegal Guns." Here's what they say on their website:

"We support the Second Amendment and the rights of citizens to own guns. We recognize that the vast majority of gun dealers and gun owners carefully follow the law. And we know that a policy that is appropriate for a small town in one region of the country is not necessarily appropriate for a big city in another region of the country."


Other members of that organization have been very unfriendly to gun owners. If the group's founder, Mayor Bloomberg had done what Mr. Jones did that would have been hypocritical because having a .38 in NYC is almost alway illegal.
except they want to make the law and make you obey it. I mean they wouldnt lie on their website...right?

TwoWheelFiend
January 9, 2012, 12:07 AM
Heres a read for ya
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=254&issue=011

jerkface11
January 9, 2012, 12:39 AM
Mayor Jones used a gun to thwart a robbery in his home. That's not illegal in Mobile, Alabama.

He came home and pulled a gun on the robber so he was carrying the gun on him. So yeah no permit=illegal.

Ringolevio
January 9, 2012, 01:07 AM
Senator Charles Schumer (D, NY), the most vociferous advocate of gun control and the "Fairness Doctrine", is among the privileged few to be licensed (under NY's Sullivan Law, politicians and celebrities manage to obtain gun permits, but the average citizen cannot) to carry a concealed handgun in New York; can you say "elitism and blatant hypocrisy", Boys and Girls? "Chuckie" would like for U.S. citizens to be as defenseless as the folks in India; not him, but the rest of us.

Consider what Vladimir Lenin (the man who coined the phrase "useful idiots" that so aptly describes most liberals) said:
"A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie."

From "The Mumbai Massacres and Gun Control", KCNewswatch.com, Nov. 30, 2008

Justin
January 9, 2012, 01:07 AM
Mayor Jones used a gun to thwart a robbery in his home. That's not illegal in Mobile, Alabama. There's nothing hypocritical about opposing illegal guns and using a gun legally.

Yes, The Honorable Mr. Jones belongs to "Mayors Against Illegal Guns." Here's what they say on their website:

"We support the Second Amendment and the rights of citizens to own guns. We recognize that the vast majority of gun dealers and gun owners carefully follow the law. And we know that a policy that is appropriate for a small town in one region of the country is not necessarily appropriate for a big city in another region of the country."


Allow us to take a look at exactly what MAIG stands for.

Opposes national concealed carry reciprocity?
Yep.

Wants to keep permanent records of NICS checks, despite the fact that federal law prohibits it?
Yep.

Wants to require background checks for private sales at gun shows?
Yep.

Wants to change the law such that anyone who's put on the notoriously inaccurate and secretly held terrorist watch list can't buy a gun, despite the fact that people on that list haven't been so much as charged with a crime?
Yep.

For supporting documentation of the above, please see This section of the Mayors Against Illegal Guns website. (http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/federal/federal.shtml)

Supports the use of shoddy and discredited ballistic fingerprinting technology?
Yep. (http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/local/ballistics-id.shtml)

Want to institute creepy, Orwellian anonymous tip lines?
Yep. (http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/local/tip_lines.shtml)

Support gun buyback schemes, despite their dubious history of doing antstatistical good?
Fo shizzle. (http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/local/tip_lines.shtml)

Support for a law that disallows what would be otherwise legal possession of a firearm for someone under the age of 21?
Yep. (http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/local/additional_initiatives.shtml)

Supporting a requirement to license ammunition sellers, as well as banning the sale of .50 BMG ammunition?
Yep. (http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/local/additional_initiatives.shtml)



I'm sorry, but the name "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" is a misnomer. It seems quite clear to me that their views on firearms go much further beyond possession of firearms by people who legitimately should be disbarred their use, and straight into the realm of quite literally infringing a constitutional civil right with absolutely no due process, compensation of nosey neighbors and snitches who drop a dime on a neighbor simply for walking to his/her car with a gun case, and generally instituting onerous restrictions that don't result in any functional decrease in crime, while making it harder to engage in shooting as a past time.

Frankly, I'm somewhat disturbed that I had to do the research, especially when MAIG touts their obviously anti-rights initiatives right their on their own website.

LibShooter
January 9, 2012, 01:42 AM
Senator Charles Schumer (D, NY), the most vociferous advocate of gun control and the "Fairness Doctrine", is among the privileged few to be licensed (under NY's Sullivan Law, politicians and celebrities manage to obtain gun permits, but the average citizen cannot) to carry a concealed handgun in New York;

Sounds like Senator Schumer might be a hypocrite. That says nothing about Mayor Jones' status.

Allow us to take a look at exactly what MAIG stands for....

Yep, MAIG holds some position none of us here would agree with. However, since Mayor Jones is over 21, none of the actions he took that night would have been prohibited by any of the things you listed that MAIG stands for.

Justin
January 9, 2012, 01:59 AM
My post had nothing to do with Jones, and everything to do with pointing out the stances taken by MAIG on a number of issues.

LibShooter
January 9, 2012, 02:04 AM
My post had nothing to do with Jones, and everything to do with pointing out the stances taken by MAIG on a number of issues.

Granted. But, considering the post that started this thread I wanted to point out that those facts don't apply to Mayor Jones' situation.

Justin
January 9, 2012, 02:06 AM
I don't know. I can't speak to Jones' record on guns, so I cannot directly say he's a hypocrite.

That said, it does seem fairly clear to me that if he uses a gun to defend himself, while supporting attempts to curtail the same for others, that would seem fairly hypocritical to me,regardless of whether or not he's actually on the record as wanting to prohibit people's ability to use a gun for self defense in their own home.

Furthermore, from the press portrayal of the situation, it would not be unreasonable to assume he was carrying the pistol on his person, while not on his property prior to encountering the perpetrator.

41
January 9, 2012, 02:10 AM
I spend a lot of time in Mobile and I have researched him being in MAIG before this happened, and I honestly don't believe that he knows what MAIG is. Mobile has a high violent crime rate, and I think that he joined to try to make himself look better. Either that or he is just lying in this interview:

http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/local_news/mobile_county/Mayors_Against_Illegal_Guns_under_fire

Ringolevio
January 9, 2012, 12:57 PM
Responding to a quote I posted about Sen. "Chuckie" Schumer, "LibShooter" wrote:
Sounds like Senator Schumer might be a hypocrite. That says nothing about Mayor Jones' status.

Thank you so very much, Mr. "LibShooter", for trying to keep this thread on what you feel the topic should be limited to.

May I remind you, however, that the OP said,
Feel free to share some Hypocrite anti stories, somehow I bet there's a lot of them.

Nevertheless, I find it most interesting that you think Sen. Schumer only "might" be a hypocrite. That certainly shows the kind of sensitivity, enlightenment and tolerance that makes Liberals so very superior to us Neanderthals.

Sgt_R
January 9, 2012, 01:26 PM
"Mayors Against Illegal Guns," taken at face value, sounds perfectly reasonable. I mean, who isn't against illegal guns? Of course, that's just like saying that criminals shouldn't be allowed to commit crimes, or that illegal activity should be against the law. Of course it should. It's another carefully crafted beaurocratic non-statement, like "unauthorized use prohibited." Well of course it is!

Where you run into trouble with MAIG is when you actually start looking into their agenda, and you discover all of the perfectly legal things that they want to make illegal. Then they start to sound a lot less reasonable; but hey, they've got a nice, inoffensive sounding name, so most folks will never notice.

R

LibShooter
January 9, 2012, 05:23 PM
Thank you so very much, Mr. "LibShooter", for trying to keep this thread on what you feel the topic should be limited to.

Far be it from me to try to police the direction of any thread on a gun forum. If I wanted to do something like that I would spend the afternoon herding my cats.

However, offering and defending an opinion that differs with the OP or anybody else is sorta what we do on internet fora.

Sorry.

That certainly shows the kind of sensitivity, enlightenment and tolerance that makes Liberals so very superior to us Neanderthals.

The Neanderthals lived in harmony with their environment in a sustainable manner. It was the Cro-Magnon who started defacing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_painting)pristine natural caves with their graffiti. :)

Ringolevio
January 9, 2012, 06:50 PM
LibShooter:
[Ringolevio:] "That certainly shows the kind of sensitivity, enlightenment and tolerance that makes Liberals so very superior to us Neanderthals."

The Neanderthals lived in harmony with their environment in a sustainable manner. It was the Cro-Magnon who started defacing pristine natural caves with their graffiti.

Touché. So, the Neanderthals must have been the noble savages that Liberals so admire, and it was those darn Cro-Magnons who "defaced" their "pristine" caves with their proto-writing that evolved into mankind's ability to express thought and language graphically. And then folks like Gutenberg came along and really messed things up, Right?

LibShooter
January 9, 2012, 08:31 PM
Ahh... the Good Ol' Days before the invention of proto-writing, flake tools, New Coke and polymer guns.

GoWolfpack
January 9, 2012, 09:18 PM
It always amazes me how the antis in power seem to be "anti 2A for every one else, but pro 2A for myself."

Lots of people are pro-their-guns. Nothing is wrong with their guns, or the kinds of guns they like. FUDs and hunting rifles or bird guns.

Lots of those same people are anti-your-guns. "You can't hunt with that, what do you need that for?" The people who don't see any problem with banning guns that look different from their guns.

I believe a significant number of those who attempt to ban the ownership or purchase of guns by the proletariat are fully in favor of anyone's right to have armed guards protecting their families 24/7. Their view, skewed by a life separate from most other people, is that if you can't afford 24/7 armed guard service, what do you have that would make someone want to kill you?

EddieNFL
January 9, 2012, 09:22 PM
so I cannot directly say he's a hypocrite.

pol·i·ti·cian   [pol-i-tish-uhn]

1. a person who is active in party politics.
2. a seeker or holder of public office, who is more concerned about winning favor or retaining power than about maintaining principles.

Synonyms

1. liar
2. hypocrite
3. bloodsucking parasite

Deanimator
January 9, 2012, 09:34 PM
Granted. But, considering the post that started this thread I wanted to point out that those facts don't apply to Mayor Jones' situation.
"Mayor Snerdley is a member of the Ku Klux Klan, but NOT because he's a racist! He's a Klansman, but doesn't agree with the Klan's views on race. He supports their positions on affirmative action and illegal aliens..."

Yeah, right...

Bamajohn
January 9, 2012, 09:37 PM
If you read the whole story-- read between the lines. The Mayor went to a local store, returned home found someone in his garage stoped him at gunpoint and held him till police arrived. He will not say if he went inside his home to get his handgun [legal to have at home without permit] or if he had it in his car with him [Illegal without permit]. The Mayor refuses to answer simple question Do you have a CCW permit?.

justice06rr
January 9, 2012, 09:48 PM
I don't have any articles or stories to share, only a few real-life experiences. Living in a very lax state of FL, when I visit NJ/CA/NY for vacation, I cannot fathom how residents there have lived with not having the same freedoms (or maybe they just have very strict limitations) of the 2nd Amendment.

You will always hear the 3-step gun rule for storing a pistol in a vehicle, which is really pointless when you actually need to use your gun for self-defense

LibShooter
January 9, 2012, 09:49 PM
Lots of people are pro-their-guns. Nothing is wrong with their guns, or the kinds of guns they like. FUDs and hunting rifles or bird guns.


I work with a fellow who has a safe full of expensive dolled up shotguns, historic rifles and at last count 17 S&W revolvers. And not a round of ammunition in the house. He used one box of 50 .380 in his Walther to get his Handgun Carry Permit, and hasn't fired any of his guns before or since. He's really uncomfortable with anybody having a loaded gun within reach. He thinks there should be a huge tax on ammunition so no one (editorial: no one who's not very wealthy) would have any.

But all that's his business. It does seem like a shame that $50k worth of really nice shootin' irons are just sitting in a safe doing nothing, though.

jerkface11
January 9, 2012, 10:05 PM
The Neanderthals lived in harmony with their environment in a sustainable manner.

Yup so sustainable that they went extinct.

LibShooter
January 9, 2012, 10:49 PM
Yup so sustainable that they went extinct.

Luckily they had excellent insurance. Signing up on the website was so easy...

ErikO
January 10, 2012, 11:34 AM
I don't have any articles or stories to share, only a few real-life experiences. Living in a very lax state of FL, when I visit NJ/CA/NY for vacation, I cannot fathom how residents there have lived with not having the same freedoms (or maybe they just have very strict limitations) of the 2nd Amendment.

You will always hear the 3-step gun rule for storing a pistol in a vehicle, which is really pointless when you actually need to use your gun for self-defense
Being a former Chicagoland resident, I honestly thought the whole US was like IL. Had to report to teh state police that you were interested in guns. Had to buy three times as manay magazines to have a 30-round AR. "Who really needs a gun, anyway?" etc.

Even for it's goofy General Assemblymen, Missorui is a nicer place to live thanks largely to it's far less restrictive gun laws. While I can't get a Destructive Device, I don't think much of the state is zoned in such a way that a landowner can't get an FFL 01.

No hypocracy, aside from something that sparked my interest in becoming a gun owner. Illinois AG Lisa Madigan was trying to publish the names & addresses of IL FOID card holders but won't comment publically as to whether or not her name would be on that list along with her home address.

Hacker15E
January 10, 2012, 01:06 PM
I still, to this day, don't know what an "illegal gun" is.

The Lone Haranguer
January 10, 2012, 01:44 PM
No one is for illegal guns, but it depends on what makes a gun illegal. And there is a distinction between merely being opposed to illegal guns and wishing to ban them for everyone (except themselves, of course). A perfect example of this was the late political columnist Carl Rowan. He wrote many times of banning civilian firearms ownership, yet, about 25 years ago, he shot at an intruder in his back yard. This is the epitome of hypocrisy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Rowan#Controversy

Dr.Mall Ninja
January 11, 2012, 04:28 AM
Feinstein has a ccw....enough said.

Justin
January 11, 2012, 02:21 PM
Feinstein got rid of her CCW in a fairly public display back in the late 1980s/early 1990s.

we are not amused
January 12, 2012, 05:17 PM
Mayor Jones used a gun to thwart a robbery in his home. That's not illegal in Mobile, Alabama. There's nothing hypocritical about opposing illegal guns and using a gun legally.

Yes, The Honorable Mr. Jones belongs to "Mayors Against Illegal Guns." Here's what they say on their website:

"We support the Second Amendment and the rights of citizens to own guns. We recognize that the vast majority of gun dealers and gun owners carefully follow the law. And we know that a policy that is appropriate for a small town in one region of the country is not necessarily appropriate for a big city in another region of the country."


Other members of that organization have been very unfriendly to gun owners. If the group's founder, Mayor Bloomberg had done what Mr. Jones did that would have been hypocritical because having a .38 in NYC is almost alway illegal.

And If you believe that, I have some bottom land to sell you, just don't ask what it is at the bottom of.

EddieNFL
January 12, 2012, 08:04 PM
Feinstein got rid of her CCW in a fairly public display back in the late 1980s/early 1990s.
And she was pro-2nd before that?

Leanwolf
January 14, 2012, 01:41 AM
MAYORS AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS - "... And we know that a policy that is appropriate for a small town in one region of the country is not necessarily appropriate for a big city in another region of the country."

The above statement specically contradicts this below.

MAYORS AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS - "We support the Second Amendment and the rights of citizens to own guns. We recognize that the vast majority of gun dealers and gun owners carefully follow the law."

Were this valid, then any of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights could be put to the same test.

Hypocrisy in its the purest form. But so very typical of "progressives," or "liberals" or whatever term they've clothed themselves in this week. Disngenuous to the rotten core.

L.W.

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