DECIMAL POINTS - My Gripe of the Day!


PDA






bhk
January 9, 2012, 12:32 PM
I hate to be picky, and generally say 'live and let live' on the clip vs. magazine fights. But the misuse of decimal points when describing calibers, gauges, and bullet weights is just wrong and drives me crazy. Just his morning I read about .12 gauge shotguns (no such thing), .200 grain bullets for bear (no such thing), and .9 mm handguns (no such thing) . Gee guys, lets get this stuff right! We should know better. Drop the previous decimal points and everything becomes correct. Leave them there and we are making errors of tens, hundreds, or thousands. That is not small stuff.

For decades I read these errors in the press and am not surprised by their ignorance. I often write the editor/author of these mistakes and, believe it or not, have had some success in correcting their ways. To see these things on gun pages makes me sad. I can see beginners making this mistakes, but some of the posters seem to be reasonably experienced shooters. What gives?

I try not to correct the errors of individual posters (but have on occasion) because I believe it is somewhat rude and most of us know what they mean anyway, so I am expressing my minor frustration with this post. And just maybe I have too much time on my hands.

If you enjoyed reading about "DECIMAL POINTS - My Gripe of the Day!" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
Stophel
January 9, 2012, 12:37 PM
I really like the 12 guage shotguns everybody has... :D

rcmodel
January 9, 2012, 12:41 PM
Well, I know the differance.
But I sometimes find myself adding a . that shouldn't be there out of habit.

Then, it seems about 90+% of the time, a post about a caliber should have a period in front of the caliber, and it doesn't get one.

More folks make that mistake then the other one you ask about.

rc

Dnaltrop
January 9, 2012, 12:45 PM
Curse you, now you have me wondering how a .9mm round "Could" be, what the cartridge would look like, how many you could cram into a magazine, and how it could be designed to be effective....

Micro shaped-charges firing jets of molten copper? Miniature rockets with secondary boost and explosive charges?

tarosean
January 9, 2012, 12:58 PM
Ive come to the conclusion on forums I'm happy when it's coherent and they use full words.

Plus paragraphs.

firesky101
January 9, 2012, 01:02 PM
I want a .12 gauge shot gun. I would not shoot it, but imagine the bore size:evil:

Red Cent
January 9, 2012, 01:05 PM
And when it is apparent that they have an old computer that inserts double "a"s or none at all.:cool:

Jeff H
January 9, 2012, 01:06 PM
I leave the decimal point out sometimes when speaking or typing 7.62. I figure that most people know what I am referring to.

btg3
January 9, 2012, 01:08 PM
misuse of decimal points when decribing
Drop the previous decimals points
occassion

...whatever...

(Are you experienced with the English language or a beginner? :rolleyes:)

THe Dove
January 9, 2012, 01:21 PM
^^^

BWAHAHAHA

Now dats fuunnnyyyy!!!!

The Dove

bhk
January 9, 2012, 01:26 PM
...whatever...

(Are you experienced with the English language or a beginner? :rolleyes:)
GOT ME! I am fixing my typos. Can't make errors while complaining about others. I am plenty experienced, but I am lousy at proofing my own typing. Thanks for proofing.

I am sure many of the decimal errors I see are also typos. That is not a huge deal. I just want to make sure everyone knows the correct way to write calibers, gauges, etc.

CAR-AR
January 9, 2012, 01:51 PM
Use a spell checker. :D

dev_null
January 9, 2012, 02:08 PM
I want a .12 gauge shot gun. I would not shoot it, but imagine the bore size
We call that a naval gun, I think? ;)

beeenbag
January 9, 2012, 02:12 PM
Why so anal?

You obviously get the picture...

Now I'm off to shoot my .9mm and 3.57 magnum, Maybe even a 45.0 acp, 22.3 or two.

See, you still knew what I was talking about.

beatledog7
January 9, 2012, 03:18 PM
Ver.y fu.nny!

NG VI
January 9, 2012, 03:35 PM
Ive come to the conclusion on forums I'm happy when it's coherent and they use full words.

Plus paragraphs.


Sometimes I can't stop myself from just responding to ask the OP to please not give us one massive block of text.

deadin
January 9, 2012, 04:01 PM
I think there's a name for folks that seem to enjoy being upset......:evil:;):p

blarby
January 9, 2012, 04:02 PM
I want a .12 gauge shot gun. I would not shoot it, but imagine the bore size

FWIW :

A ga 76.20 mm 3.000in 2626.39g 92.64oz 40530gr

Would be about as close as you could get to a .12 gauge.

I too, want it.

ApacheCoTodd
January 9, 2012, 04:13 PM
I hate to be picky, and generally say 'live and let live' on the clip vs. magazine fights. But the misuse of decimal points when describing calibers, gauges, and bullet weights is just wrong and drives me crazy. Just his morning I read about .12 gauge shotguns (no such thing), .200 grain bullets for bear (no such thing), and .9 mm handguns (no such thing) . Gee guys, lets get this stuff right! We should know better. Drop the previous decimal points and everything becomes correct. Leave them there and we are making errors of tens, hundreds, or thousands. That is not small stuff.

For decades I read these errors in the press and am not surprised by their ignorance. I often write the editor/author of these mistakes and, believe it or not, have had some success in correcting their ways. To see these things on gun pages makes me sad. I can see beginners making this mistakes, but some of the posters seem to be reasonably experienced shooters. What gives?

I try not to correct the errors of individual posters (but have on occasion) because I believe it is somewhat rude and most of us know what they mean anyway, so I am expressing my minor frustration with this post. And just maybe I have too much time on my hands.
Of course the error is in fact in tenths, hundredths and thousandths rather than tens, hundreds and thousands - but pointing that out and getting picky to the degree (pun intended) of pestering folk would just plain be silly.:D

bhk
January 9, 2012, 04:33 PM
Don't get me wrong, my original post was expressing a MINOR frustration. It is not a big deal. As a matter of fact, I often find the same humor in the situation as several other posters have expressed. How large a dinosaur would be suitable game for a .12 gauge shotgun and would roaches be suitable targets for a .9mm handgun? Would the .200 grain bullet I saw posted this morning be more suitable for these roaches than for the bear the poster I read this morning intended them for? Fun stuff, not serious pickiness.

I guess my only concern was that there may be a few members here that really dont know the difference and may have a little learning to do. Now I am going to go see how many .9 millimeter cartridges I can fit in the CLIP for my Glock. ;)

JohnBT
January 9, 2012, 04:40 PM
"45.0 acp"

ACP needs to be capitalized. Proper name, etc. and so forth.

ApacheCoTodd
January 9, 2012, 05:05 PM
Hell BHK - if it weren't for peeves we'd all be a lot more boring.

W.E.G.
January 9, 2012, 05:38 PM
site picture

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/trivia/site.jpg

Sobel
January 9, 2012, 05:43 PM
I understand, but it makes me more upset when my friend who has a polish m44 is shocked to see my russian 91/30 has the same bolt. Even more shocked that they share the same ammo.

303tom
January 9, 2012, 05:46 PM
I hate to be picky, and generally say 'live and let live' on the clip vs. magazine fights. But the misuse of decimal points when describing calibers, gauges, and bullet weights is just wrong and drives me crazy. Just his morning I read about .12 gauge shotguns (no such thing), .200 grain bullets for bear (no such thing), and .9 mm handguns (no such thing) . Gee guys, lets get this stuff right! We should know better. Drop the previous decimal points and everything becomes correct. Leave them there and we are making errors of tens, hundreds, or thousands. That is not small stuff.

For decades I read these errors in the press and am not surprised by their ignorance. I often write the editor/author of these mistakes and, believe it or not, have had some success in correcting their ways. To see these things on gun pages makes me sad. I can see beginners making this mistakes, but some of the posters seem to be reasonably experienced shooters. What gives?

I try not to correct the errors of individual posters (but have on occasion) because I believe it is somewhat rude and most of us know what they mean anyway, so I am expressing my minor frustration with this post. And just maybe I have too much time on my hands.
I know it`s crazy ain`t it, I only know of one place where a decimal point belongs in shot gun talk & that is the .410 but O well you know how some people are........

303tom
January 9, 2012, 06:09 PM
I understand, but it makes me more upset when my friend who has a polish m44 is shocked to see my russian 91/30 has the same bolt. Even more shocked that they share the same ammo.
Show him this picture............

redneck2
January 9, 2012, 06:20 PM
Just read my sig line

LibShooter
January 9, 2012, 06:21 PM
I want a .12 gauge shot gun. I would not shoot it, but imagine the bore size..

I found a formula on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_shell)and calculated 1.7" for a .12 gauge... but that seems small.

Anybody with better math skills want to give it a try?

hammerklavier
January 9, 2012, 06:35 PM
As someone posted above an A1/2 gauge at 76.2 mm would be close to .12 gauge. A .12 gauge would be slightly larger.

Sobel
January 9, 2012, 06:59 PM
Show him this picture............
Thank you for that picture its amazing I didn't know some of those myself.

btg3
January 9, 2012, 07:14 PM
^^^ FWIW, here's a full size image

http://operatorchan.org/k/arch/src/k200188_k198663_mosin%20nagant%20rifle%20family.jpg

medalguy
January 9, 2012, 07:29 PM
well at least he used some punctuation i hate these posts where the posters never use any periods or commas or capital letters dont you because i cant figure out what in the world they are trying to ask and what kind of answer they want in return and oh yeah the runon sentences also kinda make it harder to tell what they are asking and then they want to ask something about which powder is best for every caliber ever made and what bullet should they use for both handgun and rifle and oh yeah maybe shotgun too and how should i answer their question and so i just usually leave the entire post alone and dont even try to figure out what they are asking and try to answer it doesnt this just drive you crazy i know it does me thanks for reading this post

LibShooter
January 9, 2012, 07:59 PM
As someone posted above an A1/2 gauge at 76.2 mm would be close to .12 gauge. A .12 gauge would be slightly larger

Now I've learned how to find a cube root and came up with a bore of 3.39" for a .12 gauge. That's 86mm.

That sounds more like it.

Strykervet
January 9, 2012, 08:07 PM
Ive come to the conclusion on forums I'm happy when it's coherent and they use full words.

Plus paragraphs.
I agree. Sometimes I get the idea the author may be having a stroke, those are the worst.

Strykervet
January 9, 2012, 08:10 PM
Now I've learned how to find a cube root and came up with a bore of 3.39" for a .12 gauge. That's 86mm.

That sounds more like it.
Yeah, with a calculator just use fractions for the exponent to find the root, so 1/2 for square, 1/3 for cube, so on and so on. That's the easiest way!

The Sarge
January 9, 2012, 08:12 PM
I could care less. It is an internet forum. If something irks me I just move along.
To stop and correct, complain to a person I do not know nor will ever have any real human interaction with would concern me about myself and reality.
I do agree about the entertainment value though :)

LibShooter
January 9, 2012, 08:15 PM
Yeah, with a calculator just use fractions for the exponent to find the root, so 1/2 for square, 1/3 for cube...

The first time I used -3 instead of .333333. Eighth grade was a long time ago. :o

PowerG
January 9, 2012, 08:19 PM
Try the decaf.

dogtown tom
January 9, 2012, 08:20 PM
Sometimes removing the decimal point doesn't make it right....
http://images.wholesalehunter.com/prodpics/winchpicx41rs5.jpg









And even with the decimal point its still wrong...
http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/large/970/970346.jpg

303tom
January 9, 2012, 09:52 PM
Gauge
(Bore) Caliber Weight of unalloyed (pure) lead ball
(mm) (in) (g) (oz) (gr)
AA* 101.60 4.000 6225.52 219.6 96080
A* 76.20 3.000 2626.39 92.64 40530
0.25* 67.34 2.651 1814.36 64.000 28000
0.5* 53.45 2.103 907.18 32.000 14000
A* 50.80 2.000 778.19 27.45 12010
0.75* 46.70 1.838 604.80 21.336 9328
1* 42.42 1.669 453.59 16.000 7000
B* 38.10 1.500 328.3 11.58 5066
1.5* 37.05 1.459 302.39 10.667 4667
2* 33.67 1.326 226.80 8.000 3500
3* 29.41 1.158 151.20 5.333 2333
4* 26.72 1.052 113.40 4.000 1750
B* 25.40 1.000 97.27 3.43 1501
5* 24.80 .976 90.72 3.200 1400
6* 23.35 .919 75.60 2.667 1166
6.278 23.00 .906 72.26 2.549 1114
7* 22.18 .873 64.80 2.286 1000
8 21.21 .835 56.70 2.000 875
9* 20.39 .803 50.40 1.778 778
10 19.69 .775 45.36 1.600 700
11* 19.05 .750 41.24 1.454 636
12 18.53 .729 37.80 1.333 583
13* 18.04 .710 34.89 1.231 538
14* 17.60 .693 32.40 1.143 500
16 16.83 .663 28.35 1.000 438
18* 16.19 .637 25.20 0.889 389
20 15.63 .615 22.68 0.800 350
22* 15.13 .596 20.62 0.728 319
24* 14.70 .579 18.90 0.667 292
28 13.97 .550 16.20 0.571 250
32* 13.36 .526 14.17 0.500 219
36 12.85 .506 12.59 0.444 194
C* 12.70 .500 12.16 0.429 188
40 12.40 .488 11.34 0.400 175
67.62 10.41 .410 6.71 0.237 104

Hypnogator
January 9, 2012, 09:52 PM
My pet peeve is the use of the decimal point with the word "caliber." e.g., ".30 Caliber." (That would be 3/1000 of an inch.) :rolleyes:

btg3
January 9, 2012, 10:16 PM
Try the decaf.
That gave me the best laugh I've had this week. THANKS!

Drail
January 9, 2012, 10:20 PM
One of my pet peeves is the current fashion of businesses posting their telephone numbers - 1.800.427.5968. Or dates - 1.21.2012. Love to meet the idiot that started that.:rolleyes:

Stophel
January 9, 2012, 10:36 PM
One of my MANY peeves: "I could care less"

No, it's "I couldn't care less".... ;)

hammerklavier
January 9, 2012, 10:38 PM
My pet peeve is the use of the decimal point with the word "caliber." e.g., ".30 Caliber." (That would be 3/1000 of an inch.)

I don't agree.

caliber
n.
1. Abbr. cal.
a. The diameter of the inside of a round cylinder, such as a tube.
b. The diameter of the bore of a firearm, usually shown in hundredths or thousandths of an inch and expressed in writing or print in terms of a decimal fraction: .45 caliber.
c. The diameter of a large projectile, such as an artillery shell, measured in millimeters or in inches.

LibShooter
January 9, 2012, 10:46 PM
One of my pet peeves is the current fashion of businesses posting their telephone numbers - 1.800.427.5968. Or dates - 1.21.2012. Love to meet the idiot that started that.

Isn't that how they do it in most of Europe?

Jim K
January 9, 2012, 10:47 PM
A .12 gauge is an impossibility. Since "gauge" means the number of round balls per pound, "gauge" has to be a whole number, no fractions, decimal or otherwise.

Caliber as applied to firearms simply means bore diameter, so "9mm caliber" is perfectly correct, as is .38 caliber, the decimal point indicating 38/100ths of an inch.

Jim

Hossfly68
January 9, 2012, 10:55 PM
Look here you problem children!

I flunked algebra 3 times in college. Couldn't get the hang of it until I put it to use getting a pilot's license. If you guys keep talking math, I'm going back to the flight sim until I save up the cash to start flying real ones again!

kentucky bucky
January 9, 2012, 11:09 PM
You would really get peeved around my wife's 87 year old Grandpaw.....he calls them "9 milligram pistols". It seems metric is just too foreign for him to grasp and we know better than to even try. Those old timers are set in their ways. He earned the right to call tham anything he wants after the horrible fighting he saw in the invasion of the Phillipines in WW2.

LibShooter
January 9, 2012, 11:10 PM
Since "gauge" means the number of round balls per pound, "gauge" has to be a whole number, no fractions, decimal or otherwise.

I think you could have a fractional gauge. .12 gauge means 12/100th of a ball that size weighs a pound, or one ball that diameter weighs 8 1/3 lbs.

Jim K
January 9, 2012, 11:30 PM
Nope. You can't get any 8 1/3 pound balls out of a pound of lead unless you are into loaves and fishes and He doesn't post on this site.

Jim

Hypnogator
January 10, 2012, 12:16 AM
I don't agree.

Then we can agree to disagree. Dictionaries also mislabel magazines as clips, etc. Originally, a caliber was a measurement equaling 1/100". Thus a 45-caliber weapon would have a bore of .45". So a .30-caliber weapon would be 3/10ths of 1/100th of an inch, or 3/1000 of an inch. ;) Not something I'm going to lose a lot of sleep over, nor do I get my panties in a wad over someone calling a magazine a clip, or a revolver a pistol. :neener:

firesky101
January 10, 2012, 12:22 AM
I have started a math war.:(

beatledog7
January 10, 2012, 12:26 AM
Measuring OAL with calibers

rsrocket1
January 10, 2012, 12:31 AM
Your absolutely right, we need to insure that we use proper english on these hear forums :fire:

________________

Sent on my mobile device that shows that I can afford stuff that you can't!

lizziedog1
January 10, 2012, 01:00 AM
Decimals in the wrong places sort of bothers me. What we really bothers me is capitilization, or rather a lack of it.

Maybe some keyboards have a defective or missing shift key.

Or maybe some folks are too lazy to burn off those few calories required to press an extra key.

I won't respond to any post that is typed out in all lower-case letters.

Run-on sentences and paragraphs drive me nuts too.

jcwit
January 10, 2012, 02:10 AM
Want to know when decimal points and commas REALLY bother me?

When the numbers are preceded by a $ sign, then it really gets me.

blarby
January 10, 2012, 03:26 AM
AA is significantly larger than A1/2

I was trying to get .12ga as close to an existing measure as possible :)

Yes, I too did the exact math...I didn't post it because I assumed no one would care.

See what I get for assuming no one cares ?


Much as I hate to admit it, Jim is actually correct.

toivo
January 10, 2012, 04:06 AM
I leave the decimal point out sometimes when speaking or typing 7.62.

But since that's one of those "Euro" calibers, shouldn't it really be 7,62 ?

David E
January 10, 2012, 01:21 PM
It's comical when an alleged retired aerospace manufacturing engineer, hawking a high-end 10 mm conversion, repeatedly uses "10 m.m."

But it's sad that people constantly misuse "then" for "than" and other mistakes noted in my sig line.

Just saw an ad for Spartan Knives where the logo reads: "For whatever YOUR hunting". (emphasis added)

I didnt realuze the English language was in that much trouble.

youngda9
January 10, 2012, 01:41 PM
The anal threads(decimal points, mag vs clip, etc.) always seem to get the most responses around here...LOL, and also sad.

cleardiddion
January 10, 2012, 02:29 PM
Heh, this reminds me of the great ammo scare when Walmart had a list on the desk of their gun display stating what ammunition they were out of. A few that come to mind are:

1.2 gauge
300 carbine
762mm
.9mm
2.2 LR
308 caliber mm

The list was ftw in hilarity.

EddieNFL
January 10, 2012, 06:51 PM
30/06 NO! NO! NO! It's .30'06

JustinJ
January 10, 2012, 07:19 PM
Then we can agree to disagree. Dictionaries also mislabel magazines as clips, etc. Originally, a caliber was a measurement equaling 1/100". Thus a 45-caliber weapon would have a bore of .45". So a .30-caliber weapon would be 3/10ths of 1/100th of an inch, or 3/1000 of an inch. Not something I'm going to lose a lot of sleep over, nor do I get my panties in a wad over someone calling a magazine a clip, or a revolver a pistol.

The dictionary mistakingly assuming that "ammunition clip" also applies to magazines is entirely different than completely omitting the fact that a word is a unit of measure. Sorry, but no, caliber simply means the diameter of a bore but if it did or does actually mean a unit of measure you shouldn't have trouble finding a reference. Also, what dictionary mislabeled magazines are clips?

JRH6856
January 10, 2012, 08:02 PM
I didnt realuze the English language was in that much trouble.

I hope that was intentional...

JRH6856
January 10, 2012, 08:03 PM
.9mm? Let me correct that for you. It should be .9cm.

303tom
January 10, 2012, 09:44 PM
____
.9mm? Let me correct that for you. It should be .9cm.

twofifty
January 10, 2012, 10:04 PM
imo the OP's point that, since we complain when the media makes errors when covering firearms stories, we should be accurate in our own usage has much validity.

As to spelling and grammar, well, that is not our area of specialty... lol

MachIVshooter
January 11, 2012, 12:04 AM
Then we can agree to disagree. Dictionaries also mislabel magazines as clips, etc. Originally, a caliber was a measurement equaling 1/100". Thus a 45-caliber weapon would have a bore of .45". So a .30-caliber weapon would be 3/10ths of 1/100th of an inch, or 3/1000 of an inch.

Incorrect. The original use of caliber was to denote barrel length as multiples of bore diameter. For example, battleship guns. A 16" 50 caliber gun would have a barrel length 50*16".

More to the point, as was explained to you, caliber in terms of small arms is not decimal inch specific. It simply means bore diameter, regardless of measurement unit. Putting the decimal in front of the number is correct when using decimal inch. Technically, inches should also be denoted, but it's really not necessary, since there are only two systems in common use for this purpose, and metric numbers are easily identified by the nature of being integers or having digits to the left of the decimal, while all inch-denoted small arms are less than 1".

nor do I get my panties in a wad over someone calling a magazine a clip, or a revolver a pistol

A revolver is a pistol. A pistol can be a muzzle loader, single shot, derringer, revolver, autoloader, or any other short-barreled small arm designed to be fired one-handed.

Krogen
January 11, 2012, 01:25 AM
Misplaced periods don't bug me. Misplaced apostrophes do! It has become commonplace to use 's for plural. As in how many powder's do you have? I load for 10 cartridge's. My dentist filled 2 cavity's. Arrgggghhhh......

ArthurDent
January 11, 2012, 02:20 AM
I really hate to be pedantic, ;) but... :evil:

For the love of humanity and all that is sacred and good, please look up the following homophonic heterographs, learn their meanings, and learn to use them correctly:
to / too / two
then / than
their / there
accept / except
you're / your
it's / its
loose / lose

Also, please learn the proper use of an apostrophe. http://www.isthatpluralizedwithanapostrophe.com/

Continually getting this stuff wrong makes all of us look ign'ant. :eek:

Thank you. :)

TennJed
January 11, 2012, 03:04 AM
Decimals in the wrong places sort of bothers me. What we really bothers me is capitilization, or rather a lack of it.

Maybe some keyboards have a defective or missing shift key.

Or maybe some folks are too lazy to burn off those few calories required to press an extra key.

I won't respond to any post that is typed out in all lower-case letters.

Run-on sentences and paragraphs drive me nuts too.
I understand your point, but let me point out my personal posting situations.

I do quite a bit of my posting one handed, while balancing a large notebook computer on the edge of a recliner. In my other hand is a 1 year old. Sometimes this 1 year old is awake and banging on the keyboard, but most often he is asleep in my arm.

As of right now I am posting while rocking him in the recliner. He woke up a little while ago, I stuck a bottle in his mouth and figured I would log on here while I get him back asleep.

If I didn't post while doing this, I would not be able to be a part of the community as much as I am.

I would not turn in a report to my boss with gramatical errors, but I take things a little easier here.

I have attempted to be extra careful with my capitalization on this post. I would hate for you not to respond. But in all honesty it is fairly difficult to hold down the **** key and and reach across the keyboard one handed. I am 5'6" and have small hands.

Not everybody sits at a desktop with two free hands while they post. My mother loves football and is a member of a few sports forums. She only has one arm. She is smart and well educated, but I would not be suprised if she missed a capital I every now and then

MedWheeler
January 11, 2012, 06:50 AM
I've actually heard "40 (or 45) millimeter pistol" used in news reports, too.. I don't know if it's truly the size of the pistol (microcompact, I suppose?) or one firing a 4-centimeter chunk of metal.

kozak6
January 11, 2012, 07:33 AM
My favorite mechanical pencil takes .9mm lead:D. No joke.

I hear about the 40mm pistols too. They must be referring to some kind of grenade pistol :confused:.

I know that metrification never took hold in this country, but come on now.

BBQLS1
January 11, 2012, 01:11 PM
Just wait till we get real smart about it and start rounding the numbers!

Anyone want to by my .4 Magnum Revolver? :D

303tom
January 11, 2012, 08:49 PM
My favorite mechanical pencil takes .9mm lead:D. No joke.

I hear about the 40mm pistols too. They must be referring to some kind of grenade pistol :confused:.

I know that metrification never took hold in this country, but come on now.
Hey could have been, I have a 40mm pistol.........

trex1310
January 11, 2012, 10:28 PM
Maybe BHK is just a grouchy old SOB like me. What I love is the
posters with the freaking abbreviations for everything like my
twelvey gaugey pumpy browny shotty.

Mike1234567
January 11, 2012, 11:05 PM
I want a 4.5 ACP!!

7.62 Nato
January 12, 2012, 12:22 AM
I leave the decimal point out sometimes when speaking or typing 7.62. I figure that most people know what I am referring to.
Or whom.

Millwright
January 12, 2012, 01:13 AM
Just goes to show how far we've come from reality ! I'd like to get one of those "point nines" myself ! Ought to be able to drive that needle at some impressive velocities ! Probably play hell with any sort of soft body armour as well...... >MW

Mike1234567
January 12, 2012, 11:47 AM
IMHO, I think we should point out poor grammar very tactfully with a sincere non condescending desire to help. IMHO, as a nation, our communication skills are rapidly deteriorating. If everyone is afraid to speak up then this problem will only get worse. Again though, if we can't be positive and supportive then we should keep our opinions to ourselves. We can do without sarcasm and condescension. We have more than enough of the latter too. Also, if we're not entirely sure of our own "expertise" then we should allow others to offer advice. BTW, I've erred with incorrect advice but, to be fair to me, I really thought I was correct at the moment. :D

Inebriated
January 12, 2012, 12:06 PM
I get annoyed when I read "556" or "762."

Just because we don't say "Seven point six two" doesn't mean you can leave it out!

Ky Larry
January 12, 2012, 12:36 PM
This sort of stuff used to drive me crazy. Then I discovered the Jim Beam and prozac cocktail.Now, I don't get upset about it. As a matter of fact I don't.....seem..... to......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

PRM
January 12, 2012, 01:12 PM
Hum? This thread has made me aware, I don't have as many problems as I thought.

JRH6856
January 12, 2012, 02:08 PM
IMHO, as a nation, our communication skills are rapidly deteriorating. If everyone is afraid to speak up then this problem will only get worse.
A thought is something that is in your head and known to you. To communicate that thought to others, requires language. Language may be written of spoken, but to achieve clear communication, each party must understand what is written or spoken.

When speaking, words must be placed in the proper order and pronounced properly. This is called grammer and diction and both follow certain long-standing rules that, if understood and followed, make communication possible.

When writing, the rules of grammer still apply but diction is replaced by spelling and punctuation. Instead of hearing what someone is saying, one literally sees what someone is saying. And if words are not spelled properly and sentences are not properly puctuated, the result can be a lot like speaking with a mouthfull of rocks.

There is a third element of communication and that is emotional content that is usually conveyed by facial expression and/or body language. When speaking face to face, facial expression and body language is easily seen and conciously or subconciously read, but when writing, this is not so. Online forums have made a major contribution in this area with the advent of emoticons. These little symbols help to replace the facial expression and body language that otherwise is lost.

All of these elements are useful and important in communication. Thay are tools which can be used for clear communication or misused at the risk of creating confusion. If one misuses the tools, one should not be surprised if one is misunderstood.

All social interaction involves some loss of individual freedom. It is a price we have to pay. Thought is free and speech is free, but communication has a price: you have to follow the rules to achieve it.

bhk
January 12, 2012, 04:52 PM
A thought is something that is in your head and known to you. To communicate that thought to others, requires language. Language may be written of spoken, but to achieve clear communication, each party must understand what is written or spoken.

When speaking, words must be placed in the proper order and pronounced properly. This is called grammer and diction and both follow certain long-standing rules that, if understood and followed, make communication possible.

When writing, the rules of grammer still apply but diction is replaced by spelling and punctuation. Instead of hearing what someone is saying, one literally sees what someone is saying. And if words are not spelled properly and sentences are not properly puctuated, the result can be a lot like speaking with a mouthfull of rocks.

There is a third element of communication and that is emotional content that is usually conveyed by facial expression and/or body language. When speaking face to face, facial expression and body language is easily seen and conciously or subconciously read, but when writing, this is not so. Online forums have made a major contribution in this area with the advent of emoticons. These little symbols help to replace the facial expression and body language that otherwise is lost.

All of these elements are useful and important in communication. Thay are tools which can be used for clear communication or misused at the risk of creating confusion. If one misuses the tools, one should not be surprised if one is misunderstood.

All social interaction involves some loss of individual freedom. It is a price we have to pay. Thought is free and speech is free, but communication has a price: you have to follow the rules to achieve it.
Good points. BTW, your post has six misspellings and at least one other error. Considering the topic of your post, this is funny. But you know what, I really don't care a lot and I am doing this just for fun. I am the original OP, and a follow-up poster did the same to me (rightfully). I rarely make grammar/spelling comments concerning individual posts, but just couldn't help it this time. lol! Smile!

JRH6856
January 13, 2012, 01:11 AM
BTW, your post has six misspellings and at least one other error.

LOL! I usually don't pay much attention to minor typos, but this time I wrote that in Notepad and then pasted it into another app for a spelling and grammar check. I actually corrected those errors but I guess I managed to not copy the corrected text. When I pasted here, it was the original uncorrected text. Oh well. I guess I still managed to communicate. Obviously, perfection isn't a requirement, but perhaps it should at least be a goal

ArfinGreebly
January 13, 2012, 02:22 AM
OMG.

Thanks, guys.

I've spent the last ten minutes going from guffaw to belly laugh.

Very LOL.

Oh the ironing.

We have ped-antics committing type-poes and spellage errors, and the contrarian retentives correcting them, only to commit usage, puncturation [sic], and grammaw errors of there they're their own.

We have invented the linguistic calibre wars!

Attributed to Thomas Jefferson:
"I have nothing but contempt for anyone who can spell a word only one way."

I be gaspin' for air over here.

Funniest stuff I've read in ages, and I believe I can say that without fear of contraception.

:D

Striker Fired
January 13, 2012, 02:57 AM
If smoe of toshe eorors bteohr polpoe taht bad , I wulod htae to see waht tehy tinhk aobut smeonoe sllepnig lkie tihs.But ervoyne is slitl abl to raed tihs.

FROGO207
January 13, 2012, 09:01 AM
Spell check is my friend but I am sometimes grammatically challenged. If the poster can convey their point with intelligence I will overlook any minor mistakes and hope they do my posts as well. I do however get your point.:D

jaysouth
January 13, 2012, 09:44 AM
I am going to reload some rounds for my .3085-1906.

there, does that make you feel better?

Mike1234567
January 13, 2012, 10:54 AM
If smoe of toshe eorors bteohr polpoe taht bad , I wulod htae to see waht tehy tinhk aobut smeonoe sllepnig lkie tihs.But ervoyne is slitl abl to raed tihs.
Yhea, I nkwo. I swa rlleay faerked tou hwne I ristf cisdvroede hatt kcrit.

AKElroy
January 13, 2012, 11:17 AM
Even if we get it right, we get it wrong. 9mm? Nope; .355. 38 special? Not quite; .357. 44 mag? Not even close; .429. I could go on, but I'm unable to type anymore due to cramps after reading Arfin's post.

jdh
January 13, 2012, 11:42 AM
holdonnowirespectfullysubmitthatifcapitolizationandpunctuationareoptionaltheuseofthespacebarshouldbeequallyoptional

spell checker is a fine tool you still have to proofread the final product to insure the properly spelled word is the one you intended a grammar checker would be useful also but would be biased toward the dialect of the creator

I was also taught that caliber, as applied to small arms, was the measure of the bore diameter in thousandths inch and that the use of the decimal point was improper. Large guns were expressed as a ratio of bore to barrel length. A 16 inch naval gun 800 inches long would be listed 16/50 or 16/L50.

In the desk drawer I have a box of
308 Win not .308 win Hornady
A box of WW 32 AUTO not .32 AUTO from the 60s
A box of Speer 32 AUTO not .32 AUTO current production
A box of 38 Special not .38
A box of 357 MAGNUM not .357
A box of 357 Sig not .357
A box of 45-70 not .45

Or did all those manufacturers just leave off the . to save ink?

outdoorsman1
January 13, 2012, 11:47 AM
My pet peeve is people who drive with small animals on thier laps....

Outdoorsman1

TennJed
January 13, 2012, 06:30 PM
I met a gentleman that claimed to have a hot water heater. I suspect the lad had a water heater, as I see no reason to heat hot water.

JRH6856
January 13, 2012, 07:01 PM
I have a solar water heater on the roof that feeds into a holding tank inside. The holding tank is actually an electric water heater. Its job is to keep the water hot in winter and serve as a back up in summer. All it ever heats is hot water. It just gets it hotter. :evil:

toivo
January 13, 2012, 09:49 PM
I met a gentleman that claimed to have a hot water heater. I suspect the lad had a water heater, as I see no reason to heat hot water.
I had a circular driveway put in at my house. Now I can't go anywhere. What I should have asked for was a semi-circular driveway.

BA-DA-BUMP....

303tom
January 14, 2012, 01:35 AM
I have a solar water heater on the roof that feeds into a holding tank inside. The holding tank is actually an electric water heater. Its job is to keep the water hot in winter and serve as a back up in summer. All it ever heats is hot water. It just gets it hotter. :evil:
Then you have a hot water hotterer.............

JRH6856
January 14, 2012, 04:39 AM
hot water hotterer

LOL

If you enjoyed reading about "DECIMAL POINTS - My Gripe of the Day!" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!