What are the range qualification requirements in your state for CCW?


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Ukraine Train
February 6, 2004, 02:03 PM
Since I haven't yet heard what the requirements will be in Ohio, I was wondering what they are in other states. I'm asking specifically about the range part, not lecture/application process, etc.

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El Tejon
February 6, 2004, 02:19 PM
Indiana: None.

Doug444
February 6, 2004, 02:23 PM
Utah (Correia, correct me if I'm not quite right) - demonstrate proficiency with type of carry firearm (revolver and/or semi-auto). No caliber or distance or % of hits specified.

hillbilly
February 6, 2004, 02:25 PM
In Arkansas, there is no set standard, but it is left up to the discretion of the instructor.

What I use for my own classes is to have the students fire at a piece of typing paper or printer paper, from a distance of 7 yards.

They fire with their handgun filled to capacity...either all cylinder chambers or a full magazine.

They "qualify" in my class if they have an 80% hit rate with their gun on that sheet of typing paper from 7 yards. And a hit on the paper is a hit.

And I round up. Eighty percent of a six shooter would be 4.8 hits, which rounds up to five hits.

In my course, the "qualification" is the very last thing the students shoot.

Before they "qualify" they have shot many rounds from at least three different distances, from different positions,with two hands and with one hand and under time pressure.

If there is time, they even shoot a little weak hand.

And with qualification they get to shoot as many targets as it takes to qualify. I have so far had only a very few students who took two chances to qualify.

I take the qualification targets, have the students sign and date them, record the make and model of the handgun and the caliber, and then file them. The qualification targets do not have to go to any state agency or anything like that.

But I absolutely keep a record that specific students have fired specific handguns at 7 yards and got a specific number of hits in my class.

hillbilly

Hawk
February 6, 2004, 02:26 PM
Range Qualification for Texas CHL

A total of 50 rounds are fired during the course of the qualification test.
A score of 70%, or 175 points of a possible 250, is required to pass.
The target used is a TX-PT which is a human-shaped silhouette target measuring 45 by 24 inches.

All shooting is from the ready position, which means the gun is already in your hands and aimed in._

No holster shooting or shooting from concealed is required.

Course of Fire: 3 yard line - 20 shots:
1 shot in 2 seconds,_ 5 times
2 shots in 3 seconds, 5 times
5 shots in 10 seconds, once

7 yard line - 20 shots:
5 shots in 10 seconds, once
1 shot in 3 seconds,_ 5 times
2 shots in 4 seconds,_ once
3 shots in 6 seconds,_ once
5 shots in 15 seconds, once

15 yard line - 10 shots:
2 shots in 6 seconds,_ once
3 shots in 9 seconds,_ once
5 shots in 15 seconds, once

The TX-PT target is 45" high by 24" wide._ The inner scoring ring is approximately 12" in diameter and counts 5 points._ Shots within the the next scoring ring count 4 points, and hits in the outer target zone count 3 points._ Shots falling outside of the sihouette outline do not count.

P95Carry
February 6, 2004, 02:29 PM
Here NONE!! From a ''rights'' standpoint that is good ...

But from a practical viewpoint ... could well be there are one or two people here and there could do with some basics first, but not to the level and cost that are extant in some areas!!

Ensuring knowledge of the four rules I do think is good for everyone.

scbair
February 6, 2004, 02:30 PM
50 rounds; 10 at 3 yds, 10 at 5 yards, 10 at 7 yards, 10 at 10 yds, 5 at 12 yards and 5 at 15 yards. Any hit in the body (not just the scoring rings) of a B27 silhouette counts. Minimum of 35 hits (70%) to qualify.

The time limits are so generous, I could probably qualify with a double barreled derringer. :scrutiny:

Anyone who fails to qualify doesn't need to be anywhere near a loaded firearm. :what:

armoredman
February 6, 2004, 02:32 PM
TQ15 target, 5 rounds at 5 yards, (anywhere in outer scoring circle good), then 5 rounds at 10 yards. Patheticly easy, and yet I have seen some fail!

pax
February 6, 2004, 02:32 PM
Washington: none

pax

Shootcraps
February 6, 2004, 02:35 PM
In Virginia, you must take a training course in firing a handgun. No minimum number of shots. NRA Training Courses, Military Training (specifically with a handgun, not just a rifle) and the State Certified class for Armed Security Guards are all valid. The class has to have been within the last 10 years.

Jay Kominek
February 6, 2004, 02:39 PM
Colorado:

No specific range requirements. But your instructor needs to be a law enforcement or military firearms instructor, or certified by a national nonprofit that operates competitions and training. (Are there any groups like that besides the NRA?)

Most people probably take NRA Basic Pistol, which is, uh, 75% on 20 shots at a paper plate from 10 feet away? Something like that.

Smoke
February 6, 2004, 02:42 PM
Hawk has the TX requirements correct, let me add this editorial comment.

You can be a lousy shot and easily pass. As a matter of fact if you are good from the 3 and 7 yard lines....you can then put all your rounds in the dirt and still pass.

Why have a shooting requirement if it is so dang easy?

Smoke

TarpleyG
February 6, 2004, 03:58 PM
In Florida, it's a joke. All that is required is that you can demonstrate that you can safely "discharge" a firearm. No test, no qualification, nothing. Just stand there and pull the trigger, once. You just have to sit through a class. If they are going to make it that easy, do away with it altogether. That's the way it should be anyhow. I am waiting for VT style carry here.

GT

NEtracker
February 6, 2004, 05:16 PM
You must have completed a MA State Police Approved Safety course (like NRA Basic Pistol), but then it's up to the police chief in your town/city. They can ask for anything, like Club membership, character letters from business owners, your own letter stating reasons why you should be issued a license, written tests. Then it's at the discretion of the licensing authority; you can be denied with a simple statement, "unsuitable person".
There is LTC-B, LTC-A (high capacity), and LTC-A can be restricted to things like, Target & Hunting, Personal Protection, or whatever they can think up. Some towns do issue All Lawful Purpose LTC-A.
Boston has a required course of fire by appointment only, at the police range, using their revolvers, double & single action, target & distance specified with min. scores. Then, of course, they can deny your application, after you paid the $100.

SMLE
February 6, 2004, 06:07 PM
Here are the relevant passages from the NM rules.
The NM Statute and rules can be found here: http://www.dps.nm.org/faq/concealed_weapon.htm

D. Proof of handgun competency. Pursuant to Paragraph (4) of Subsection B of NMSA 1978
Section 29-19-5, an applicant shall prove that he or she can competently and safely fire a handgun by filing a certified copy of a certificate of completion for a firearms training course approved by the department issued by an approved instructor not more than 90 calendar days prior to the date the application is filed."

10.8.2.15 FIREARMS TRAINING FOR APPLICANTS AND LICENSEES:
A. Department approved firearms training course.
(1) An applicant seeking a license shall satisfactorily complete an initial firearms training course approved by the department that includes at least 15 hours of classroom and firing range instruction on the subjects specified in Subsection A of NMSA 1978 Section 29-19-7.
(2) A licensee seeking renewal of a license shall satisfactorily complete a refresher firearms training course approved by the department that includes at least 4 hours of classroom and firing range instruction on the subjects specified in Subsection A of NMSA 1978 Section 29-19-7.
B. Competency demonstration.
(1) An applicant or licensee shall demonstrate competency in the safe use of each category and caliber of handgun for which he or she seeks certification by firing the handgun with live ammunition at a target no larger than 12 inches wide and 18 inches high.
(2) An applicant or licensee shall fire 15 rounds from three yards and 10 rounds from seven yards.
(3) An applicant or licensee shall score 4 points for each shot that hits within the scoring line and zero points for each shot that hits outside the scoring line. An applicant must obtain a score of 72% to pass the competency demonstration.

HunterGatherer
February 6, 2004, 06:09 PM
Washington = No such thing.

ojibweindian
February 6, 2004, 06:27 PM
Alabama = none.

Bobarino
February 6, 2004, 06:35 PM
anyone have the requirements for Oregon? i'm in Washington and i fly down to OR often and would like to get a permit in that state too so i can carry and don't have to leave my gun the plane.

Bobby

BowStreetRunner
February 6, 2004, 06:54 PM
none

SMLE
February 6, 2004, 09:49 PM
Here is a link to the packing.org page for Oregon.

http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/oregon

As a resident of Washington, you can get an Oregon non-resident permit.

Car Knocker
February 6, 2004, 10:40 PM
Doug444,

You're almost right. You do have to demonstrate proficiency with the mechanics of an automatic and/or revolver but that does mean that it is necessary to fire a weapon. Many CCW instructors do not require any range time at all to certify your application. Some do.

Gray Peterson
February 6, 2004, 10:43 PM
Oregon's requirement is a certificate that you've been taught how to handle a handgun safely. No range requirement. I used my Florida training where I actually shot a handgun once safely, and it worked for Oregon (I still haven't gotten my Florida one yet).

tc300mag1
February 6, 2004, 10:45 PM
Michigan

4 hours range instruction
8 hours classroom

15 rounds in a 8 1/2 piece of paper
minumim 30 rounds fired

Trebor
February 8, 2004, 02:16 AM
Michigan

4 hours range instruction
8 hours classroom

15 rounds in a 8 1/2 piece of paper
minumim 30 rounds fired

Umn, that's not correct. The instruction is required to be 8 hours total, including 3 hours on the range, not 8 + 4.

The 30 rounds minimum is specified in the law, BUT the instructor must also conduct the class in accordance with the "national or state training organization" that certified the instructor. In Michigan, that essentially means the NRA. The only NRA course with a curriculum that meets Michigan requirements is the "Personal Protection in the Home" course.

The COF for PPITH requires 96 rounds at ranges from 3 yards to 7 yards. This means that any instructor who teaches PPITH, but only requires the students to shoot 30 rounds, is not teaching the class according to NRA guidelines and thus the class technically does NOT meet Michigan standards.

The NRA Basic Pistol ccourse does not normally meet the requirements for a Michigan CCW because the standard course does not include a legal portion. Some instructors do use the course for CCW classes by adding a legal section themselves. Surprsingly, the NRA has said that this is OK, although I do not think it is the best practice.

Andrew Rothman
February 8, 2004, 02:22 AM
MN: Instructor's discretion.

tc300mag1
February 8, 2004, 02:23 AM
opps Did goof up on the class room time. Even i didnt know on the shooting one they told use that was minumin requriment was the 30 rounds they didnt go into more detail. we shot 192 out of 200 rounds i brought for my class

vmi93
February 8, 2004, 12:37 PM
The Virginia "shall issue" law allows each Circuit Court to set their own policies about training. Training CAN be required for some counties/cities, but does not have to be. The law says nothing about whether any live fire must be part of the training.

I'm lucky enough to live in SW Virginia, in a City where the Judge sees no need for a training requirement.

Even in the jurisdictions with a training requirement, some of the Judges will allow the applicant to submit proof of military training (marksmanship citation, etc) to fill the training requirement.

motorep
February 9, 2004, 11:48 AM
Colorado has a provision that allows competitive handgun experience as training qualification. It doesn't specify organizations, but probably IPSC, IDPA, PPC....

HankB
February 9, 2004, 12:28 PM
The TX requirement mentioned previously, easy as it is, is supposedly "representative" of the standards peace officers have to qualify under. I believe it . . . it's not terribly unlike some "official" qualifications I'm familiar with.

When I took the test, the instructor interpreted the "ready" position to be gun in hand, safety on, finger off trigger, and barrel pointed down at about a 45 degree angle. ("Low ready"). We weren't already "aimed in."

It was still pretty easy . . . I would've had a perfect 250 except the woman in the next lane put one of her errant shots on my target. :(

Correia
February 9, 2004, 01:15 PM
Doug is pretty much right about Utah. The BCI proposed outline sounds suspiciously like NRA basic pistol. :)

Logistar
February 9, 2004, 08:49 PM
Kentucky - 11 of 20 shots must hit silhouette at 20 feet.

I honestly believe I could do it with my eyes closed. Anyone who fails Kentucky's range test... well... :scrutiny:

racenutz
February 18, 2004, 03:58 AM
Linn County, IA: 10 shots in 10 minutes, target is a 3" bull @ 50'. Must score better than 80% to pass.

In Iowa the county sheriff gets to decide what the permit requirements are:banghead:

NEtracker
February 18, 2004, 10:49 AM
In MA, it's the town/city Chief of Police who decides the hoops you need to jump through, then he/she can deny you for any reason they can think up. Many issue "restricted" licenses like "Target & Hunting", they say due to pressure from local government, i.e. town committees of soccer Moms.
(What would make more sense, is for the state to just say, "Shall Issue, All Lawful Purposes", period.)

Aneat
February 22, 2004, 11:17 PM
Im not sure if it specifies this in the Ohio law or not. The place im signed up for has these requirements for the Ohio qualification. 12 rounds @ 7 yards on a B27 silhouette, must get 10 inside the 7 ring. 18 rounds @ 3 yards on a B27 silhouette, must get 15 in the 7 ring.

Like other have mentioned, this is certainly not a target match:what:

Adam

Aneat
February 22, 2004, 11:17 PM
Oops; double post:eek:

rick_reno
February 23, 2004, 01:16 AM
Idaho - none.

Had an interesting comment last year at our city run shooting range from a vistor from Texas.

"Seems like everyone in Texas carries a gun these days. Big difference here is that people know how to use them."

M2 Carbine
February 23, 2004, 12:18 PM
For practice I run friends of friends through the Texas course on my range.

While the 50 round course is "child's play" to experienced shooters it can be very difficult to a new shooter.

When TX first got the CHL I was very opposed to all the BS. It took two days then.

You know the feeling,
"I'm an ex LEO, ex UCMC, ex Army Officer, lifetime shooter, I know the laws, etc, etc. The cost is way too high,etc. I've got rights. Why should I have to do this crap."

Well, after seeing the system in action I'm 100% for it.
Everyone isn't, ex LEO, USMC, etc, etc.
Most people need training and knowledge to safely carry a gun. Not only for their sake but for yours and mine.;)


I'm all for everyone being able to carry a gun but everyone owes it to themselves and everyone else to do it responsibility.
I think we should HAVE to demonstrate we know what we are doing before being given a carry license.

BUT THEN IT SHOULD BE THAT EVERY STATE MUST ISSUE THE LICENSE.

QuarterBoreGunner
February 23, 2004, 01:42 PM
Not sure if this is for all of Cali or just the Santa Clara SOs requirement-

12 hour handgun safety course by certified NRA instructor.

Range qual:
On a standard full size B-27:

15 yrds. Draw and fire five rounds in 40 seconds. That's right, an almost 3/4 minute.

7 yrds. Draw and fire five rounds in 30 seconds.

5 yrds. Draw and fire five rounds in 25 seconds. Repeat.

3 yrds. Draw and fire five rounds in 20 seconds. Repeat.

Passing is 24 hits within the 7 ring.

Which is pretty darn easy.

Tall Man
February 23, 2004, 04:39 PM
Requirements for a CCW in the Keystone State:

1. $19.00.
2. Two character references.
3. ~3 week wait for background check and permit issuance.

That's it.

The information noted above may vary by county, but anecdotal evidence suggests that it is a resonable representation of what you will need in any of the Commonwealth's 67 counties.

So, :p to all the Texans who constantly yap about just how wonderful their state is for gun ownership. On this one, boys, you're beat, and that's a fact.

TM

SJG26
February 23, 2004, 05:30 PM
Range "Requirement" - none

Range "Recommendation":

- go to range - shoot 100's of rounds.
- if your score is too good:
...1. The target is obviously too close.
and/or
...2. Use a larger caliber.

Repeat as needed to maintain and improve proficiency!!

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