fingerprinting for CCL & DL by state


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semperliberi
January 9, 2012, 09:38 PM
just wondering what states DON NOT require finger printing for CCL. Also to get a drivers license. i live in WV, and you must submit to carry. Some states require one thumb print to get a dl, some two finger prints and some are more free and do not require prints at all. It doesn't seem right to have to be printed like a criminal to drive on a public road and to carry protection.... Thanks in advance..

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janedoedad
January 9, 2012, 11:28 PM
Georgia requires prints for initial issue and quinquennial renewals.

I beleive the index finger or thumb print is required for Driver's License. Commercial (A or B) licenses and most other 'special' licenses require a full set of fingerprints.

Birch Knoll
January 9, 2012, 11:35 PM
Maine does not fingerprint.

Fullboar1
January 9, 2012, 11:48 PM
Some states in Australia require finger prints to get a handgun licence.

bubba15301
January 9, 2012, 11:53 PM
no fingerprints in pa for either

bigdogpete
January 10, 2012, 12:34 AM
In Nebraska all fingers and palm print for both hands using a computer.

788Ham
January 10, 2012, 12:45 AM
What doesn't seem right? You want to drive on the highways, and you want to carry, give them the prints or stay off the roads and not carry, simple as that! There are a lot of rules and other BS in society today, none are to be liked, but if you're serious about carrying, they want to know whom you are. What are you afraid they'll find out?

Telekinesis
January 10, 2012, 12:48 AM
New Hampshire, Maine and Alabama do not require fingerprints for CCW, and AL doesn't require prints for a DL.

bikemutt
January 10, 2012, 12:55 AM
WA is the full meal deal, all 10 on the paper. I don't have an issue with it but I understand why some folks do. Since open carry is legal here I guess a someone who objects can still make do without a carry permit.

I got printed to come here in the first place, and again when I was granted citizenship, I figure heck, one more set ain't gonna make a difference.

Ragnar Danneskjold
January 10, 2012, 01:05 AM
I think it's BS to have to get fingerprinted to carry, because ideally there should be no CCW licensing anywhere. I am ok with it for driving as they are public roads maintained by public funds, and driving is not a Constitutionally protected right. But I don't really see the point other than to have a massive database of fingerprints (which I feel is wrong). Very rarely are fingerprints left at the scene of auto-related crimes. So have fingerprints on file for auto-licensing seems like a ploy to just have everyone one file. That's too far IMO. And I say that as a police officer.

\Freedom lover first
\\Cop second

Owen Sparks
January 10, 2012, 01:41 AM
Would you mind being fingerprinted in order to get a permit to attend church?

Saakee
January 10, 2012, 01:56 AM
I HATE having my fingerprints out there. But national service kinda negated me being "printless" so when something requires me to get printed, I accept it.

Johnny Dollar
January 10, 2012, 02:22 AM
I have Florida,New Hampshire and Pennsylvania permits. Of the 3, only Florida requires fingerprints.For residents on the initial application. Florida and Pennsylvania also want a mug shot.

All New Hampshire wants is your money.

It is all quite silly and nonsensical.

stickhauler
January 10, 2012, 02:41 AM
Ohio requires fingerprints for a CCW, simply the thumb, using one of those slick computer scanner printers. The only need for fingerprints for a DL in Ohio is if you're adding the haz-mat endorsement to your CDL, and that requirement is for the background check required by FMCSA to get the endorsement.

As many times as I had to be printed when I was in the Army, my prints are out there anyway.

Davek1977
January 10, 2012, 06:10 AM
if you're serious about carrying, they want to know whom you are. What are you afraid they'll find out?
Well, it seems to work in Alaska as far as permitless carry goes. The safe assumption for any LEO is to believe everyone is armed until its proven otherwise. As far as being afraid of "what they'll find out".....do you leave your home unlocked, with an open invitation to law enforcement to search it any time they please? Why not? You aren't hiding anything are you? God forbid you want to maintain privacy for the mere sake of privacy alone. I'm not hiding anything, but will steadfastly refuse any search that isn't accompanied by a warrant or other exception to the 4th amendment. I enjoy my privacy, and unless theres an established, reasonable reason why mine should be violated...it wont be.

Blackhawk30
January 10, 2012, 09:01 AM
Virginia does not require fingerprinting.

MedWheeler
January 10, 2012, 10:45 AM
Florida requires prints to carry, but not to drive.
I've been printed for the US Army, the two law enforcement agencies for which I worked, the two security/investigation agencies for which I worked, the school district for which I had a part-time job as a substitute teacher, and for my current EMS employer, in addition to having being printed for my carry license. In fact, I rolled that last set myself; the PD civilian employee invited me to do so when I mentioned to her I am ex-LE.
None of those printing sessions bothered me, and it doesn't bother me that they are "out there."

hugh damright
January 10, 2012, 12:33 PM
I am a 54 year old Virginian and I have never been fingerprinted. When I was growing up being fingerprinted was associated with being a criminal. Maybe I'm old and set in my ways, but being fingerprinted for a CCW permit doesn't seem right to me. I've noticed some stores now want your thumbprint to cash a check. And I think in some places they fingerprint school children.

If it's OK to be fingerprinted to get a CCW permit, then would it also be OK to be fingerprinted when purchasing a firearm?

Johnny Dollar
January 10, 2012, 02:09 PM
Hugh are Damright! :D

jfowler2
January 10, 2012, 02:14 PM
Louisiana requires fingerprints for CWP but not for drivers license.

tarakian
January 10, 2012, 02:44 PM
New York requires all 10 for any pistol permit.

au_prospector
January 10, 2012, 03:24 PM
How does one do a complete background check without a set of fingerprints for the carry permit? I never thought anything of it as I have been fingerprinted many times. Military, SEC/FINRA securities dealer license, Georgia carry permit, Georgia DL. In states that issue permits without fingerprints do they issue to anyone or is it restricted somehow?

dr1llpr3ss
January 10, 2012, 03:24 PM
That is probably a local sheriff's department requirement. I live in WV also and did not submit fingerprints last year (early 2011).

Also, wifey just renewed her drivers license last week, fingerprints were not required.

Johnny Dollar
January 10, 2012, 03:54 PM
Alaska,Arizona,Vermont and Wyoming only require a warm body! :D

brickeyee
January 10, 2012, 04:57 PM
Virginia does not require fingerprinting.

While the state does not for a CHP, individual cities and counties can elect to have prints.
They cannot charge more in the CHP fee for processing the prints through the FBi though.
They have to pay for it out of the allowed fee.

No prints for a renewal in any county or city.

Poper
January 10, 2012, 05:06 PM
Alaska,Arizona,Vermont and Wyoming only require a warm body! No, JD. You are not correct.
Though AZ does not require a concealed carry permit within the state of AZ, it is still possible to get a Permit to Carry a Concealed Weapon. If an AZ resident wants to carry in another state with reciprocity, the AZ permit (or the other state's permit) will be required.

Obtaining a Permit

Applicant Instructions

Determine whether you meet the qualifications to obtain a concealed weapon permit.
1. Review the provisions contained in Arizona Revised Statute Title 13, chapters 4 and 31 which are available on the Arizona State Legislature website utilizing the following link: http://www.azleg.gov/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=13
2. Contact the Concealed Weapons Permit Unit to request an application packet which contains an application, two fingerprint cards and a return envelope.
3. Using the return envelope provided, send the completed application, adequate documentation which demonstrates firearms safety competence, two complete sets of fingerprints, the appropriate fee in the form of a money order, cashier's or certified check; payable to the AZ DPS to the CWPU. For a current list of fees click here. Fees are non-refundable.

NOTE: You must utilize the "Applicant" fingerprint cards provided by the Department. Some police agencies provide fingerprinting services for a small fee (DPS does not). Call your local police agencies for inquiries. Regardless of who completes the fingerprinting process for you, the prints must be clear, distinct and classifiable. Do not place tape over the top of the prints! Source: http://www.azdps.gov/Services/Concealed_Weapons/Permits/Obtain/#4

Poper

henschman
January 10, 2012, 05:14 PM
My home state of Oklahoma does require prints (the "full monte" with all 10, sides, etc.) which requires you to pay a $50 fee to the Sheriff's office (on top of the $150 it costs for the license and $60 or so for a class).

However, Maine issues non-resident permits through the mail without any fingerprints, and an online class will satisfy their training requirement... and it only costs $60. Oklahoma has full reciprocity, so easy choice there. Unfortunately most states do not have reciprocity with Maine... but check handgunlaw.us, and if your state does have reciprocity with them, it is definitely something to look into if you don't like giving your prints to the gov't like me.

They've already got my prints multiple times because I've been arrested several times, and they required it when I got admitted to the bar association; but I still don't like giving them out any more than I absolutely have to. Kind of like my SSN.

Also Oklahoma requires a thumb print for a DL... which I also think is BS... I am part of an organization that is lobbying to get that law changed.

heyjoe
January 10, 2012, 05:19 PM
no prints for drivers license in new york.

coondogger
January 10, 2012, 05:23 PM
At one time, certain towns in New Hampshire were fingerprinting for CCPs. But the state, living up to our motto, deemed it unconstitutional and has now banned fingerprinting for CCP licenses.

Johnny Dollar
January 10, 2012, 05:38 PM
No, JD. You are not correct.
Though AZ does not require a concealed carry permit within the state of AZ, it is still possible to get a Permit to Carry a Concealed Weapon. If an AZ resident wants to carry in another state with reciprocity, the AZ permit (or the other state's permit) will be required

We know all that ,Poper.It was an attempt at humor which sometimes does not work well here! :neener:

Arizona has passed “Constitutional Carry.” That means anyone who can legally own a firearm and is 21 or older can carry it concealed without any type of permit/license. This new law becomes effective July 29, 2010. Those who wish to carry in Arizona without a permit/license from AZ or any other state can not carry in the places listed in the “Places Off Limits Even With a Permit’ section below. Arizona did not remove other restrictions in their law when they passed Constitutional Carry. If you choose to carry without a permit from Arizona or any other state you must also abide by the following restriction.

Birch Knoll
January 10, 2012, 05:45 PM
However, Maine issues non-resident permits through the mail without any fingerprints, and an online class will satisfy their training requirementNo, it won't, as I have previously posted. I specifically inquired of the Lieutenant in command of the Maine State Police Gaming And Weapons Unit about this. A detective within the unit looked into the Maryland online course in question and reported:

I took the course and it covered basic information about firearms. It covered issues relating to Maryland laws. In the introduction, it was stated that the course was for Maryland handgun purchases only. I spoke with someone from the office that produces the information and was told that it was only for Maryland firearms purchases. I would again refer to a NRA or equivalent course that would cover handgun safety in a more in-depth course.

In other words, they will not accept the Maryland online safety course as evidence of safety training as required under Maine law.

MedWheeler
January 11, 2012, 06:27 AM
Johnny Dollar writes:

Alaska,Arizona,Vermont and Wyoming only require a warm body!

Not quite accurate. I've looked through as much of the laws as I could locate, and found no clause requiring the body actually be warm. :D

Johnny Dollar
January 11, 2012, 01:14 PM
Not quite accurate. I've looked through as much of the laws as I could locate, and found no clause requiring the body actually be warm. :D

True.Those states are very cool about that! ;)
We should be so lucky here in the Sunshine State. :D

Schutzen
January 12, 2012, 05:04 PM
I thought the CC Permit finger printing was to insure felons were not issued CC Permits under an assumed name.

Birch Knoll
January 12, 2012, 05:13 PM
I thought the CC Permit finger printing was to insure felons were not issued CC Permits under an assumed name.It is, but it's pointless. Few felons who wish to carry illegally will bother to fraudulently obtain a permit. And if they did, possessing such a permit wouldn't make it legal for them to carry anyway. It would just add a perjury (or similar) charge onto the illegal possession charge they'd have coming. So why bother?

Johnny Dollar
January 12, 2012, 05:52 PM
Excellent logic. Fingerprinting is just another infringing waste.

hdbiker
January 14, 2012, 02:18 PM
Wisconsin new carry law doesn't require any finger prints for carry,or driving. biker

Serenity
January 14, 2012, 02:25 PM
I live in WA as well, and had all ten taken on the computer. I have really really shallow prints with lines and the computer rejected them forever and finally the guy over-road the computer and sent them. I received my permit in the mail but then received a letter from the police saying that the FBI had rejected my fingerprints and I need to come back. I never made it back, but used my permit to purchase a gun and apparently it passed muster, because I didn't have to wait to receive the gun. It seems that if the FBI check were required, they wouldn't have sent the permit until it was confirmed. I never think to call and ask during business hours, of course. So far I haven't carried but if I decide to I will find out for sure.

Johnny Dollar
January 14, 2012, 06:20 PM
I never think to call and ask during business hours, of course. So far I haven't carried but if I decide to I will find out for sure.

Yes,you should follow through,Serenity. This was not your fault. IMO,you should get to the bottom of this ASAP. Not carrying because of their malfeasance could lead to bad mojo.

coolluke01
January 14, 2012, 06:41 PM
No finger printing in MN. But they require training.

swinokur
January 15, 2012, 12:44 AM
Virginia does not require fingerprinting.

VA non resident permits require fingerprints. I have one

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