Gore Says Bush Abused Trust, Played Politics of Fear


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w4rma
February 6, 2004, 09:06 PM
Fri Feb 6,12:26 AM ET
By Larry Fine

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former Vice President Al Gore on Thursday accused President Bush of abusing the trust of Americans by playing on their fears as he led the United States to war against Iraq.

Gore, who lost the contested 2000 presidential election to Bush, said that like most Americans he rallied behind Bush after the Sept. 11 attacks, trusting his claims of ties between Iraq and al Qaeda extremists blamed for the attacks and taking his word that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

But Bush's decision to enter into a war with Iraq was taken under "patently false pretenses," Gore said in a keynote address at a conference at the New School University.

"Fear was activated on Sept. 11 for all of us," he said. "And it was exploitable for a variety of purposes unrelated to the initial cause of fear."

Gore said the Bush administration had no scruples about using fear of terrorists as a means "to punch holes in the basic protections of the Constitution, to create a class of permanent prisons and to make it possible to imprison American citizens without due process."

On international relations, Gore said "the administration has willingly traded in respect for the United States in favor of fear." The normal debate over policy that takes place in a healthy democracy was muted after Sept. 11, he said.

"At a time of great vulnerability we placed our trust in President Bush," said Gore, who recalled addressing the Iowa Democratic convention in the autumn of 2001.

"I had a different sort of message prepared but in the aftermath of the tragedy, I said 'George W. Bush is my president. I will follow him in this time of crisis.'

"I was one of millions who asked him to lead us wisely and well, and he abused the trust of the people by exploiting the fears of the American people in order to take this nation on an adventure that had been preordained before the attacks of Sept. 11 ever took place."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040206/pl_nm/campaign_gore_dc_1

I want to emphasize this paragraph since this point is what I think that most folks here are most interested in:
Gore said the Bush administration had no scruples about using fear of terrorists as a means "to punch holes in the basic protections of the Constitution, to create a class of permanent prisons and to make it possible to imprison American citizens without due process."

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gburner
February 6, 2004, 11:25 PM
W4rma...
News Flash.

1. Howard Dean will not be the Democratic nominee for president; not this year, not any year.

2. Al Gore is not among the slate of losers currently seeking the nod from the Democratic party faithful. Therefore, his opinion on world events is about as timely as a Papal treatise on the subject of fornication.

3. I think we all thought that you were going to share your own thoughts with us from now on, not just continue to demonstrate your cut and paste skills.

Lennyjoe
February 6, 2004, 11:47 PM
Who's Gore?
;)

Standing Wolf
February 7, 2004, 12:12 AM
Who's Gore?

He used to be a famous professional liar.

Art Eatman
February 7, 2004, 12:27 AM
Big Al the hypocrite Gore just played on a different set of fears in 2000, trying to buy the election with his pitch to Florida's Old Farts: "You'll all die if the gummint doesn't pay for your medications!"

Us Old Farts are gonna die, anyhow, no matter who pays for our medications...

I guess Dubya believed Big Al.

Art

"I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I read of people dying of natural causes."

Cactus
February 7, 2004, 12:35 AM
Glad to hear from you, w4rma. I was starting to think you took a long walk off a short pier after Howie's stunning third place "victory" in Iowa.:D

And to lose to a stiff like Kerry. WOW! No wonder Deanie boppers like you and AlGore are muttering to yourselves.:cuss:

Balog
February 7, 2004, 12:42 AM
NO! Not Al Gore! Lord knows I look to Klinton's lapdog for all my political views. :rolleyes:

HunterGatherer
February 7, 2004, 03:27 AM
"... also starring Albert Gore Jr. - As The Void Of Space!" [/Cricket Chirp]

fallingblock
February 7, 2004, 07:46 AM
Al Gore is just too irrelevant to waste that much reading on.;)

greyhound
February 7, 2004, 09:01 AM
create a class of permanent prisons

And who is supposed to be fear-mongering here?

Gotta love "Kiss of Death" Gore.

Speaking of endorsements, I heard that the unions that endorsed "Inevitable" Dean now want to switch to "Comeback" Kerry.

Is that kosher given that Dean is still in the race? I could understand if he were officially out, but otherwise it seems odd, kinda like "well, we agreed more with Dean's message than Kerry's when we endorsed Dean, but it seems that Kerry is more electable now so even though we agree with Dean's message we now endorse Kerry".

Baba Louie
February 7, 2004, 10:07 AM
You mean Al "There is no controlling legal authority" Gore?
Or Al "I don't recollect or remember 83 X" Gore?
Or are we talking about the Al "My home state abandoned me" Gore?
Maybe you mean Al "My moneys on Dean" Gore (I know that hurt and I'm soooo sorry... sometimes the truth hurts)

If any of the above Al Gores is the guy you refer to, I must offer... Irrelevant statements come from the mouths of all kinds of people (even mine :D )

Thumper
February 7, 2004, 10:09 AM
w4rma,

a propos of nothing whatsoever, acetone works wonders at quickly removing bumper stickers.

Sean Smith
February 7, 2004, 10:24 AM
By Larry Fine

Well, that explains alot. :evil:

Mark Tyson
February 7, 2004, 10:35 AM
Larry Fine! LOL! You beat me to it, Sean Smith!

OF
February 7, 2004, 10:58 AM
acetone works wonders at quickly removing bumper stickers.HA!

Ask Joe Lieberman what he thinks of Al. Not even an email!

- Gabe

w4rma
February 7, 2004, 11:05 AM
1) The Democratic primary isn't over.
2) If Kerry wins, I'm fine with that. He's not my first choice, but he ranks high among my choices.
3) This thread is about Gore speaking out against Bush's shreading of the Constitution. I think that folks should stick to the topic instead of yapping about an insignificant message board poster.

ACP230
February 7, 2004, 11:12 AM
The Clinton Gore administration tried to impose house to house searches and gun confiscation on residents of a Federal housing complex in Maine.

It was thrown out of court, or I'm sure it would have been attempted nationwide.

Did you protest that at the time?


IMO if Gore says nothing but "the" and "and" he will still have managed to lie.

OF
February 7, 2004, 11:15 AM
Gore speaking out against Bush's shreading of the Constitution.Al Gore doesn't even know how to spell Constitution. While there are certainly real issues to be discussed re: W's respect or lack of same for the Constitution, Al Gore is not in any position to criticize. He and his posse would wipe their arses with that document in a heartbeat if they thought for a second that it might get them back in power. We are talking about Al "living document" Gore, here, right? I'd love to ask 'Ol BackStabber Al to decribe to me what he thinks a 'right' actually is. That would be a hoot.

Posting a diatribe on constitutionality from Al Gore is some kind of irony, that's for sure.

- Gabe

Cactus
February 7, 2004, 12:51 PM
This thread is about Gore speaking out against Bush's shreading of the Constitution. I think that folks should stick to the topic instead of yapping about an insignificant message board poster.

What's the matter? Can't get anyone to play your silly little game anymore?

AlGore brings to mind the old saying: Better to be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.

Sean Smith
February 7, 2004, 01:14 PM
And the winner for "least firearm content in posts on a firearm forum" goes to... w4rma!

http://www.thehighroad.org/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=604893&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending&pagenumber=1

If Kerry wins, I'm fine with that. He's not my first choice, but he ranks high among my choices.

Hard to reconcile that with any interest in the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Of course, judging by your posts, you have no interest in that topic anyway.

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Thumper
February 7, 2004, 01:25 PM
I've noticed that, too, Sean. I'm sure you share my opinion that w4rma has pretty little actual interest in firearms.

Actually, though, the deaniacs were on to a pretty good idea.

They used internet discussion boards to promote dr. deanmento and, at the same time, smear the boogeyman (Bush) all on someone else's dime. In this case, it happens to be Oleg's.

Unfortunately for them , their candidate proved to have about as much substance as his cut and paste minions. 20,000 teenagers does not a campaign make.

Oh well...footnote to history.

MicroBalrog
February 7, 2004, 01:45 PM
It is not yet over...

Bill Hook
February 7, 2004, 02:03 PM
Al Gore doesn't even know how to spell Constitution.


Of course he does. He WROTE it just before inventing the internet. :D

OF
February 7, 2004, 02:25 PM
Silly me, I forgot! ;)

- Gabe

HunterGatherer
February 7, 2004, 03:19 PM
I think that folks should stick to the topic instead of yapping about an insignificant message board poster.Then pick a topic that doesn't make me laugh 'til my sides hurt...

gburner
February 7, 2004, 03:30 PM
'it's not over yet'...
Wake up and smell the Starbucks, dewd. Howard Dean is SO over and you just can't face it.

W4rma has astoundingly little firearm content in any of his posts (read none).
His posts seem to be geared toward generating an emotional response from the readers. That would make him a
(all together class) TROLL.:neener:

Malone LaVeigh
February 7, 2004, 03:58 PM
The most inaccurate statement in that article:
Gore, who lost the contested 2000 presidential election to Bush,

gburner
February 7, 2004, 04:18 PM
Malone,
Civics 101, Lesson # 45. The President of the United States is elected by the vote of electors in the Electoral College. It is possible for a candidate to win the popular vote and lose the election. It has happened before and will probably happen again.
I'm not making this stuff up. I swear it's true.

PS. Every election is contested unless one candidate runs unapposed.

fallingblock
February 8, 2004, 02:03 AM
"Gore, who lost the contested 2000 presidential election to Bush.."
************************************************************

Yes indeed, that's "Dubya" in the Whitehouse and Al (loser) Gore being quoted in irrelevancy.:D

The nation was lucky that time....:scrutiny:

Delmar
February 8, 2004, 02:33 AM
so, just to give this a smidgen of legitimacy, who takes our guns faster? Potato head or the Dean of calm?

gunsmith
February 8, 2004, 04:47 AM
I think that folks should stick to the topic instead of yapping about an insignificant message board poster.
I think your post was about an insignificant "oGre" .

I had been thinking about sitting out the election because Bush is being such a liberal this year,then I saw all the demco candidates (like John "you don't need an AK-47 to hunt deer" Edwards) falling all over themselves to prove they will be "reasonable" by doing their best to curtail my 2nd amendment rights.

you have convinced me to Vote for Bush again! :neener:

Geech
February 8, 2004, 07:25 AM
I'm surprised at the number of people who cling to the idea that Gore actually won the 2000 elecetion. The difference between their popular vote counts was about half a percent: far smaller than the margin of error in the vote-counting process. Statistically speaking, the two counts are identical.

greyhound
February 8, 2004, 09:02 AM
I'm surprised at the number of people who cling to the idea that Gore actually won the 2000 elecetion.

Actually, thats the real reason for the leftists' overwhelming hated for GWB. They truly and honestly believe Al Gore won that election and was cheated out of it by right wing judges. His policies and especially the Iraq war are just proof to them of his illegitimacy in the job.

Al Gore thought he was a genius in jumping early behind Dean and the "progressive" :rolleyes: wing of the Democratic Party.

Now, to quote John Kerry's (less than) rallying cry: "We're coming, he's going, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.":D

JimP
February 8, 2004, 10:26 AM
When's Gore going to give his kiss of death to Kerry (his endorsement)??

This is going to be fun....:D

Art Eatman
February 8, 2004, 10:41 AM
Since folks seem to figure that there's nothing to fear but fear itself, I reckon this old horse is sorta dead. Not "bad dead"; just dead.

:), Art

greyhound
February 8, 2004, 10:41 AM
"well, we agreed more with Dean's message than Kerry's when we endorsed Dean, but it seems that Kerry is more electable now so even though we agree with Dean's message we now endorse Kerry".


I meant this about the unions, but I guess it could apply to "Black Cloud" Gore!:D

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