Hodgdon warning .. loading manual error!!


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P95Carry
February 6, 2004, 08:10 PM
I guess this should be in re-loading ... sorry mods. Also ... apologies if posted already. I felt it important to pass this on quickest tho to as many as possible.

From ''Gun Week'', issue Feb 10, page 3 ..... Hodgdon Powder Co has issued a .45 Colt high pressure data warning. On page 132 in the new 2004 Hogdon Annual Manual are two lines of data using Longshot powder in the standard .45 Colt section that was intended for use in .45 Colt (Ruger, Freedom Arms and T/C ONLY) section.

These two lines of data appear in the 250 grain Hornady XTP and 300 grain Sierra JFP sections.

DO NOT use these loads in standard Colt or any reproduction firearms since excessive pressure may cause damage.

For more information about this warning ...... contact: Hodgdon Customer Service at ..... 913-362-9455, or email ... help@hodgdon.com, or ....... write to PO Box 2932, Shawnee Mission, KS 66201

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Wil Terry
February 6, 2004, 09:23 PM
Hodgdon...

P95Carry
February 6, 2004, 09:28 PM
Wil .. thx - my bad!! Well .. careless typing anyways!

I have edited the earlier post but not sure that subject line will show the correction in the main listing.

I am suitably admonished!:p

Intune
February 6, 2004, 09:45 PM
P, thx for the heads up. I use Hod's Universal for light & moderate acp & .44 mag loads but you may have saved somebody's Precious and fingers & eyes. On a side note, I just love when I see my Ruger #1 & S. Blackhawk get a listing of their own in loading tables. Ahhh.

Ala Dan
February 6, 2004, 11:15 PM
Many thanks for the heads-up Chris! :D

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

NavajoNPaleFace
February 6, 2004, 11:21 PM
Personally, I would'nt have cared less how you spelled it. We dummies can still figure it out.

Thanks for looking out for us reloaders, P95....that's what's important-not the spelling, syntax, grammar or any thing else like that.

HSMITH
February 6, 2004, 11:53 PM
I saw the Longshot loads and said 'no thanks' without the warning, I knew darn good and well the S&W won't take them let alone the SAA types. I have seen errors in manuals before though. I guess some guys take the manuals at the gospel truth.

Thanks Chris for bringing it up as a serious problem. Hopefully the guys that don't see the warning have Rugers or have a little sense.

StuporDave
February 7, 2004, 05:33 PM
I have seen errors in manuals before though. I guess some guys take the manuals at the gospel truth.

Some folks don't have years of experience to rely on. They only have the reloading manuals, so info about mistakes in the manuals is _very_ important to get out there.

Dave

HSMITH
February 7, 2004, 06:53 PM
You bring up another point in a round about way Dave, at least for my thinking you do. Longshot is a pretty new powder and data is VERY limited with all I have seen directly from Hodgdon, makes it DARN tough to verify your data from at least 2 credible sources and most of us preach that you need 3 sources. With only one source of data it would be easier to get in trouble.

By "have a little sense" I did not intend to talk down to anyone, I was thinking of working the load up from starting points that in this case are still very dangerous in the SAA class of guns but probably not catastrophic. A bulged cylinder or something like that is better than a trip to the hospital for sure.

Longshot is great powder and does things nothing else will, but there is not much forgiveness from my experiences with it. Things go from fine to ugly pressure very quickly.

Clark
February 8, 2004, 10:40 AM
CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.


I have blown three revolvers into little pieces with LONGSHOT.
That was all my own fault, but there is something about LONGSHOT:

1) If I overload a 10mm with LONGSHOT:
9.5 gr. LONGSHOT max Hodgdon, 180 gr. SIE JHC, WLP, 1.260", 5", 1287
fps 34.6 kpsi
a) 9.5 gr. G20 stock, WLP 1.26", 180 gr. FMJ FP .58", ok, 0%
b) 9.75 gr. G20 stock, WLP 1.26", 180 gr. FMJ FP .58", bulge, 3%
c) 11.5 gr. G20 stock, 30-30 brass, 180 gr. FMJ PP .58", ok, 21%
d) 12 gr. G20 stock, 30-30 brass, 180 gr. FMJ PP .58", bulge, 26%
e) 13.2 gr. G20 Barsto, WLP 1.26", 180 gr. FMJ FP .58", bulge, 39%

So I get a case bulge with 3% overload in a stock Glock, so what?
The problem is that with the same bullet and overloading with other powders:
f) AA#9 case bulge at 11% overload
g) 800X case bulge at 26% overload

What that means is that Hodgdon's 34.6 kpsi is a very high 34.6 kspi

2) Almost all LONGSHOT pistol data dissapeared for a year and is not in the anual manual. I wrote Hodgdon about this , and they said it was all a computer glitch.

Would I use LONGSHOT in a 45Colt?
No way.
After lots of experimentiing with LONGSHOT in 32sw long, 38 sp, 357 mag, 40sw, 10mm, and 45acp, I have no further use for it. It always gets beat by Power Pistol, 800X, H110/W296, or LIL'GUN in the velocity at reasonable pressure contest.

But I still really like the Hodgdon compnay, they respond to email and have some great powders, like H110, LIL'GUN, H335, and H414.

BIGR
February 9, 2004, 06:16 PM
Thanks for the info. That ol timer that taught me how to reload years ago told me to buy three or four loading manuals and to compare the load data to make sure one of them was not a printing a mistake.

williamcrane
February 11, 2004, 02:46 PM
I have about four reloading manuals, a couple from bullet manufacturers and some others from Powder companies, plus one from a reloading equipment manufacturer (Lee). I always compare the loads, just to verify that there are no misprints and that they are all basically the same.:cool:

kidcoltoutlaw
March 23, 2004, 01:09 AM
a bunch of loading manuals always get the new ones to.can't spell ***** unless i had a mouthfull,thanks,keith

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