Shallow Gun Safe


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vvanders
January 13, 2012, 12:22 AM
Anyone know of a company that makes shallow gun safes? We've got a pretty small house an the only closet that would really work is 10" deep and 2' wide.

Not looking to store a lot, 2-3 long guns and a few handguns.

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quartermaster
January 13, 2012, 07:47 AM
Possibly you should consider a keyed lock and a deadblot for the exsisting door. I doubt very much that you will find any safe for your long guns that would fit.

Flopsweat
January 13, 2012, 08:17 AM
School lockers come in a lot of different shapes and sizes. Lots of surplus places sell them. With a good padlock they are arguably more secure than a cheap gun locker.

Trunk Monkey
January 13, 2012, 09:01 AM
School lockers come in a lot of different shapes and sizes. Lots of surplus places sell them. With a good padlock they are arguably more secure than a cheap gun locker.

I don't know if I agree w/ that if you're using a padlock Bolt cutters would take it right off maybe if you got one w/ a combination lock

Remllez
January 13, 2012, 09:44 AM
A couple of deadbolts on the door and 4 inch screws through the hinges into the framing wouldn't be a bad idea. Add a couple shelves and it's probably as secure as one of those light steel gun lockers.

bhesler
January 13, 2012, 10:21 AM
A couple of deadbolts on the door and 4 inch screws through the hinges into the framing wouldn't be a bad idea. Add a couple shelves and it's probably as secure as one of those light steel gun lockers.

If you do this, make sure the hinges do not have removable pins.

berettaprofessor
January 13, 2012, 12:43 PM
Consider a wall safe? Not much better than a school locker, but they might be easier to hide. I've seen the V-Line model touted elsewhere.

http://wallsafestore.com/index.htm

http://www.amazon.com/Stack-On-IWC-55-Full-Length-In-Wall-Cabinet/dp/B002TOKR6W/ref=pd_sim_hi_1

Flopsweat
January 13, 2012, 01:58 PM
I don't know if I agree w/ that if you're using a padlock Bolt cutters would take it right off maybe if you got one w/ a combination lock

That's what's going to make it arguable. :D

Claude Clay
January 13, 2012, 05:33 PM
berettaprofessor nailed it for you-- the v-line wall safe

JRH6856
January 13, 2012, 05:48 PM
If you do this, make sure the hinges do not have removable pins.

Or put deadbolts on the hinge side as well.

Strykervet
January 13, 2012, 05:50 PM
Someone makes a gun locker that recesses in the wall between the studs. It is stackon style and you can put something in front of it and it is out of sight too.

Maybe $200?

A SCHOOL locker? You can get into those with a screwdriver or hammer. With a strong padlock, the handle fails, with a combo, you can bust it out. Those things don't keep out 16yo who have 5 minutes between class, what makes you think they are suitable for this?

You can get the stackon stuff, it isn't a safe, but it is better than nothing and stronger than that. It will only really work though if you have something that dispermits them from staying very long, like a suitable alarm system (which would cost a lot more than the safe unless you know what you are doing --but you can get a basic one to start with, just don't stop there).

Birch Knoll
January 13, 2012, 06:24 PM
I'm going to try the Stack-On stud cavity cabinet as a low-profile, quick-access locker for a shotgun and/or AR-15. I'll replace the key lock with something like a Codelocks CL1200 (http://www.codelocks.us/cl1200-lock-range.html) electronic combination lock, so I don't need to hunt around for a key when and if I need to access the locker. Maybe hang a picture or a quilt over whole shebang.

dmazur
January 13, 2012, 07:05 PM
This one is fairly high quality, but it isn't really a "safe".

It is a "between the studs" wall safe that is long enough for rifles.

There used to be something called a Phoenix Rifle Locker, and this looks similar to that product.

Closet vault (http://www.a1qualitysafe.com/site/408162/product/51653-SA)

DukeNukem
January 13, 2012, 10:36 PM
Are you using the space under your bed for anything? Something like this might work better than trying to find something that would fit that shallow of a closet. Assuming you had room to slide out the drawers, it looks like you could fit two under a double bed if you needed more storage space than one provided.

http://www.factory-express.com/Honeywell_3090_Steel_UnderBed_Security_Safe-47296.htm?source=froogle

JRH6856
January 14, 2012, 12:54 AM
^^^^^
What stops someone from sliding it out from under the bed and carrying it off?

Birch Knoll
January 14, 2012, 01:12 AM
What stops someone from sliding it out from under the bed and carrying it off?

Not much. Products of this type are meant as quick-access lockers which keep the gun reasonably secure from people who aren't prone to prying open metal boxes. They will keep the kids, houseguests, and the cleaning lady from getting their uninitiated mitts on a loaded weapon. They are not meant as serious anti-theft devices.

DukeNukem
January 14, 2012, 04:02 AM
I figured that under bed safe could be bolted down--but maybe not. This one can but it's smaller and costs more. http://www.amsecusa.com/Defense_Vault/

NoirFan
January 14, 2012, 04:37 AM
I'd like to suggest a different approach here that I got from a disaster survival book. How about an old file cabinet with a misleading label on the front? Like "National Geographic Issues 2001 - 2010" or "1995 tax records". Remove the drawer floors while leaving the outside faces intact so there is a single large space inside, just right for a couple long guns. Then just lock all the drawers. No burglar is going to waste time breaking into a boring-looking locked file cabinet when he's working on a tight schedule.

JRH6856
January 14, 2012, 05:11 AM
^^^^
+1

Trunk Monkey
January 14, 2012, 10:35 AM
That's what's going to make it arguable.

There is that

A SCHOOL locker? You can get into those with a screwdriver or hammer. With a strong padlock, the handle fails, with a combo, you can bust it out. Those things don't keep out 16yo who have 5 minutes between class, what makes you think they are suitable for this?

And this makes them different from your average RSC in what way?

Serenity
January 14, 2012, 03:18 PM
We only store a couple of handguns and a bit of ammo, but I bought a metal gun cabinet and bolted it to the floor. It is camouflaged by household items.

CollinLeon
January 14, 2012, 03:26 PM
If you are only going to be storing a few handguns and some ammo, you might be interested in one of the floor safes. You chisel out enough of the slab to slide it down in there and then fill in around it with concrete. If you live somewhere that is subject to flooding, this might not be the best idea though. With a bit of patience, an air hammer chisel combined with a shop vac for removing the dust will work.

MO_mule
January 15, 2012, 12:37 PM
vvanders:

In keeping with your passion for the letter "v", how about V-Line? They make a closet safe that fits between the wall studs and sticks out only a little bit. Their site is vlineind.com. (Made in the USA, too!)

edit
Oops. berettaprofessor beat me to it (post #7). Sorry for the duplication of info.
end of edit

HTH,

Chris

Mr.510
January 15, 2012, 06:24 PM
What about just building a custom steel door into your existing closet? It wouldn't protect your stuff from fire damage but would be relatively secure. I say 'relatively' because someone that knew it wasn't a full safe could break through the back wall from another room. This risk could be minimized by covering the interior walls with plywood using lots of screws into the studs. This setup would not be ideal, but would be much more secure than a crappy sheet steel gun cabinet or 'storage locker'.

btg3
January 15, 2012, 07:33 PM
If your 10" deep closet has a stud wall, one option is to remove the sheetrock (or what-have-you) to expose the studs at the back of the closet. This gives you 3.5 inches of depth and may be enough to store your guns. Fir out for added depth if needed. Cover with a plywood panel painted to look like the back of the closet -- so you end up with a hidden recess for storage.

Steel doors, deadbolts, etc on the existing closet would just point the way to your valuables and a crowbar or sawzall would provide easy access unless the entire closet was robust.

opsman
January 17, 2012, 01:11 AM
Try Sun Welding Company, they will manufacture custom safes.
http://www.sunweldingsafes.com/Sun_Welding_Safe_Company/Product_Line.html
Also their Heirloom series are not very deep, it's worth a look.

CollinLeon
January 17, 2012, 06:10 AM
If your 10" deep closet has a stud wall, one option is to remove the sheetrock (or what-have-you) to expose the studs at the back of the closet. This gives you 3.5 inches of depth and may be enough to store your guns. Fir out for added depth if needed. Cover with a plywood panel painted to look like the back of the closet -- so you end up with a hidden recess for storage.

Steel doors, deadbolts, etc on the existing closet would just point the way to your valuables and a crowbar or sawzall would provide easy access unless the entire closet was robust.
Depending upon the dimensions of the closet, that might not work out so well... If it is the traditional closet depth that is basically just deep enough for a single clothes hangar, extending the back of it forward is going to make it to shallow to hold clothes... On the other hand, taking a few inches or a foot (depending upon the size of the door opening) off one of the ends might very well work for something like this. In a lot of houses there are various dead spaces in the framing where walls are placed around it, but there is no way to get to the space. It's often done with the air return from your central air-conditioning / heating unit. Most people won't notice that the sides of the closet don't go as far as they should with respect to where another wall probably goes from another room. I used to have a house where the entire area underneath the stairs was a dead space -- no doorway or anything in there. I ended up cutting a hole in the pantry closet in the master bathroom so that I could get into this area. I needed to get back there to run some satellite cable anyway since the entertainment center was against the stairway wall... It would have made a nice place to hide a gun safe...

RedLyons
January 17, 2012, 04:38 PM
Was browsing for safes today..


http://www.sturdysafe.com/customsizes.htm (http://www.sturdysafe.com/customsizes.htm)

Sturdy Gun Safe
* Any Size
* Door Thickness- 5/16" or 1/4"
* Body Thickness- 7 or 8 Gauge

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