Mitt & his flip flops.


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The-Reaver
January 13, 2012, 10:49 AM
To keep this about firearms if you go to 4:34 it goes into Assault Weapons Ban.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c&feature=player_embedded

Even if you disagree with Dr. Paul at least he has said the same thing for the last 30+ Years.

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nickn10
January 13, 2012, 11:18 AM
I'm 70 yrs old. In my lifetime I have changed my mind ( flip flopped ) on many subjects. That doesn't mean I couldn't make up my mind at that time, instead it indicates that as more information became available it broadened my understanding of a situation. Those that stubbornly stick to an opinion or dogma in the face of conflicting or new information are, well.... stupid. Not unlike Obama's refusal to change his liberal policies in the face of the majority of Americans against his slide into euro socialism. BTW I am not in any particular candidates pocket, I'm not deciding, (or flip flopping;)) until I learn more about the policies and candidate I can trust, :confused:as much as possible in politics.

whalerman
January 13, 2012, 12:19 PM
I understand and agree with all the concerns. What bothers me most is if we continue to look for perfection in our candidate Obama will win again. And I also believe this lack of satisfaction theme is mostly media inspired. Its just another way to start their early work for O.

Lunie
January 13, 2012, 12:22 PM
As someone said...

"Mitt Romney: More flip-flops than a San Francisco bathhouse."

KodiakBeer
January 13, 2012, 01:41 PM
Don't vote for candidates based on what they say, instead vote based on their record. Romney is an anti-gun, big government, tax and spend Massachusetts "moderate". That's his record. He's Obama with an "R" next to his name.

esquare
January 13, 2012, 02:29 PM
I'm 70 yrs old. In my lifetime I have changed my mind ( flip flopped ) on many subjects. That doesn't mean I couldn't make up my mind at that time, instead it indicates that as more information became available it broadened my understanding of a situation. Those that stubbornly stick to an opinion or dogma in the face of conflicting or new information are, well.... stupid. Not unlike Obama's refusal to change his liberal policies in the face of the majority of Americans against his slide into euro socialism. BTW I am not in any particular candidates pocket, I'm not deciding, (or flip flopping) until I learn more about the policies and candidate I can trust, as much as possible in politics.

You are right that life experience can change your positions. Even Ron Paul has changed his position on (a very few) issues, the largest being the death penalty at the federal level. Early on he was for it based on principles of due process, but as he saw how inept and corrupt the federal government is, he decided that that power was not one that should ever be entrusted to the federal government. This is a good example of changing a position based on an actual argument put forth to explain the change. You can find maybe one other example in his latest book, which is basically his positions on all major political and social issues as well as a whole bunch that no one else is even willing to talk about, let alone draw a public position on.

Romney clearly doesn't do that. He changes based on political expediency. Furthermore, for issues so fundamental as a basic understanding of the second amendment, which he swore to upload and protect, he should have had the correct answer the moment he stepped into office. There should be no leniency given to getting something so simple as the position on the AWB wrong.

Dnaltrop
January 13, 2012, 02:31 PM
As a Centrist, I couldn't give a rat's patoot about arguing about flip flopping. You might as well be shouting "THEY HAVE COOTIES" in a kindergarten class.

Anyone who is incapable of changing their mind as facts arrive is worthless. I don't like Chicago politicians in control (Gee, why would anyone distrust that political heritage?) and I don't like the inability of the Vocal cross-section of other side to do anything but blindly search for some flawless Superman.

It's good to have certain unassailable values, but you won't attract the peak of the "bell curve" by pandering to the extreme ends.

Who is going to keep our gun rights intact?

Who is going to modernize our power grid to reduce loss in transmission, and protect against chain outages and external electronic sabotage?

Who is going to push Science and Engineering, to create the goods and new industries to provide Jobs, and get our rears into expansion to Mars and beyond?

Who is going to pour money into the infrastructure, before other countries?

I don't like any of the prospects right now. But I don't go more than "willful tolerance" of most people in the first place... Takes a heckuva lot to get to "like"

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