seeking feedback on Taurus guns, svc, &c
slicer22
January 19, 2012, 07:01 PM
Hello all, I bought a cool little .22 for my first foray into handguns, in order to avail myself of cheap rounds/cheap initial training. It's a Taurus PT-22 Poly. Speaking from pure form factor it's great, very small and pocketable (I know, .22 isn't optimal for SD.) I've found with good grade ammo it's pretty reliable, maybe a 2% FTF on first round (the rounds have all fired with a 2nd trigger pull.) I'd say that's within rimfire standards.
I'm hoping it holds up. Regarding Taurus per se, I'm wondering what others' experiences have been. I was under the impression that their quality and customer service had come way up but I'm starting to wonder. They have no email contact for customer service, which I find strange; I called the customer service # three times and left messages as I had a question. No one ever called me back. Anyway I'm hoping to get some input and feedback from others who own (or used to own) Taurus guns.
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Rob1109
January 19, 2012, 07:42 PM
I was at my LGS for an LC9. The sales guy(who I know) pointed for the downside of the LC9 vs. the Taurus PT 709 Slim. I said "isn't Taurus crap". He shrugged "Not for me they haven't been". So I plunged. GREAT GUN! 800 rounds +/- w/o a hiccup. Right front pocket carry in a DeSantis Nemisis.
YMMV. Best.
krupparms
January 19, 2012, 10:11 PM
If you look around on THR treads you will find alot off bad things said about Taurus! They did make some good guns, but now their guns are a 50% chance you will get a clunker &the Customer Service flat out lies, blames a NIB gun that you just bought is not working because you do not know how to shoot! That's when you get them on the phone! Do yourself a big favor & get a S&W or a Ruger, FEG'., ect. You will be much happier shooting your gun than fighting with Taurus &waiting to get it back only to find it don't work &you have to keep repeating the prossess again &again! Good luck & I hope this post saves you from Taurus :banghead:
gazpacho
January 20, 2012, 12:06 AM
I have owned a total of 5 Taurus firearms to date, and still own them all. One of them, a model 94 22lr revolver, wouls seize up after firing 1 or 2 rounds. My local firearm dealer at the time had excellent customer service. If a new firearm you bought from him failed, he handled the shipping to the manufacturer for repair. The revolver was out of my hands for about 2 weeks, and it has been flawless since then.
YMMV, I have no special concerns with Taurus.
Pwrsrc
January 20, 2012, 12:50 AM
My family and friends experience with Taurus firearms has been great. I do know that their turnaround time on repairs can take quite a while though.
Looking to pick up a Taurus revolver soon once I get the cash.
BigN
January 20, 2012, 04:48 AM
Save yourself the headache, save some money, buy up. Avoid Taurus at all costs. Or you could just go to the nearest casino and gamble your hard-earned money away, same thing.
fatcat4620
January 20, 2012, 06:14 PM
Thats funny the two negative taurus post dont mention owning one. My 605 runs great and so does a friends pt145.
Sauer Grapes
January 20, 2012, 07:09 PM
I don't know what the deal is with Taurus. I have mixed feelings about them. I bought 2 and still own one. My PT709 was one of the first ones made. It jammed on every mag. I called Taurus. FedEx came to my house the next day, picked up the gun and took it away. 4 weeks later it was back and it's been perfect ever since.
I bought the new 9mm PT1911SS. It went bang everytime, was very reliable. Just didn't meet my expectations so I sold it. I'm sure it's would be fine for the beginner\average guy, just not me.
I've read some horrible stories about their CS and I've read great stories about them. Go figure...:confused:
On the internet, bad news travels faster than the speed of light. Nobody wants to hear about the good news. :what:
BigN
January 20, 2012, 07:22 PM
I obviously own one, that's why I made the comment I did.
rule303
January 20, 2012, 08:08 PM
I own several Taurus products, and sell a ton of them. I don't find their failure rate to be any worse than most manufacturers, and much better than some. The PT22PLY is relatively new, so there isn't much feedback on them yet.
rduckwor
January 20, 2012, 10:00 PM
I have had one and will not have another. Taurus finally bought it back.
RMD
jwsracin
January 20, 2012, 10:33 PM
love mine (pt111 9mm) would not trade it for any thing. now as some have said i may have a good one and there may be bad ones out there but i think your going to run into that with any maker
fatcat4620
January 20, 2012, 11:32 PM
So BigN what was your problem and what model?
PT92
January 21, 2012, 12:08 AM
Save yourself the headache, save some money, buy up. Avoid Taurus at all costs. Or you could just go to the nearest casino and gamble your hard-earned money away, same thing.
I "gambled" thrice and won every time:
PT-92
PT-25
24/7 OSS Tactical
I think I will be "gambling" when Uncle Sam returns my money soon.
-Cheers
Jbabbler
January 21, 2012, 12:24 AM
The only Taurus product I have ever owned was/is a TCP.
Worked out of the box. Works fine 300 rounds later.
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charlie echo
January 21, 2012, 12:40 AM
Have shot 1000s through my Taurus 44M and 100s of hot loaded and heavy (310 gr) FN bullet Garret Cartrides (that blew out the innards of my Win' '94 lever action).
From day one the double action trigger has been bit heavy (14#s?, not sure) compared to Colt Anaconda revolvers, but I usually cock it for singe action and that feels just right while the Anaconda felt too hairy light. When I get the bead on a felon or a bruin, I don't want a Bang! Until I want it to. The soft grip absorbs too much of the recoil, so I plan to switch to hardwood grips.
Like the ideal of a Lifetime guarantee: Sent it in once in 20 years to replace a screw on the cylinder release. Like how the blued gun has flash marks from all the shootings: Cool.
Accurate, reliable, and strong.
Now days I got mo' money so I'd buy a Ruger Redhawk, GP100, or Alaskan, but for excellent revolver value, Taurus will get it done everytime, if you stay calm and focused.
My wife likes her's.
BigN
January 21, 2012, 07:48 AM
Fatcat: It's a Tracker in 44 mag, stainless. Pretty gun and much cheaper than the others, that's why I originally bought it. I bought it new in March/April of last year and it's been back to Miami 4 times. Just got it back but haven't shot it yet, kinda scared to because I don't want to send it back again. Cylinder locks, hammer locks either back or forward. Have to take the side plate off and fool with the innards to get it to unlock. Just before the 4th time I sent it back, the firing pin popped out and hit me in the face. If the loads I was using were any lighter it would be a 38. Maybe it's just a lemon, maybe it's the gun, maybe whatever but it's the first one I've owned and I can't see buying another and taking a chance. I'm sure some of you have good Taurus guns but I have to go with Ruger or Smith from now on. It's unfortunate I had this experience but that's the way it goes I suppose. Each time I sent it back was for the same lockup problem. I was hoping they could have taken care of it the first time. This last time I sent it in I talked to CS about just replacing it and send me a new one. I didn't care if it was stainless or how long the barrel was, just send me a 44 mag that works. I thought that was a great option for them but they weren't receptive to that idea at all so now I have it back for the 4th time. Maybe it'll shoot, maybe it won't. We'll see but I've lost all confidence in the gun and we know how that ends up, the gun is sold or traded or just sits in the safe.
Jbabbler
January 21, 2012, 12:38 PM
Bign,
even with the good luck ive had so far with mine, I would completely understand why you look poorly at them. I was the same way with Kahr after my CW9 made 3 trips back. It took a while but every Kahr I've owned since then has been perfect. I just picked up a CM9. So far its been fine through 150rounds.
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BAGTIC
January 22, 2012, 01:03 AM
I have at least a dozen Taurus and have never had any problems with any of them. They have been as reliable as my Colts, Ruger, and S&W.
SavageSig
January 22, 2012, 09:03 PM
All gun companies have garbage guns. I've had 2 sigs that were garbage, yet other swear by them. I think Smith and Wessons are bulletproof, but others can drag out anecdotal evidence of terrible NIB guns. My TCP is awesome. I think you should forget about the internet hype and go ahead and get one. Trigger is great, but reliability is a concern simply from the internet articles.
roadliner
January 24, 2012, 10:42 PM
Fortunately my three Taurus handguns, 1 44 special and 2 45acp's, don't read the internet postings. The only handgun that had to go back to the factory was one of my Ruger MKII's due to a factory recall. And I see I just missed the recall of LCP's by a few thousand units. There are lemons everywhere. I've had great luck with Fords and Acura/Hondas. My brother in law won't drive a Ford and some of my friends won't drive Japanese imports, although the latter is more a chauvinistic impulse than an indictment on their quality.
Dr. Sandman
February 1, 2012, 01:54 PM
I have a Taurus revolver in .17 HMR (I don't remember the number) and a PT1911. They are both great guns. I had to adjust the sights a little on the PT1911. Overall, I have been very satisfied with Taurus. What's the deal with anti-Taurus sentiment? I don't get it.
The Red Hot Rider
February 1, 2012, 03:35 PM
Thats funny the two negative taurus post dont mention owning one. My 605 runs great and so does a friends pt145.
Well, I can remedy that. I have owned several. Initially, they shot and performed well. Heck, I was even on the bandwagon and argued with others that Taurus was as good as Smiths and Rugers. I've been eating crow ever since. EVERY Taurus (about 6 guns) I have owned developed problems while the Smiths and Rugers kept tickin'.
Save your cash and get a used Smith or Ruger or other higher-end gun. I speak from experience.
PapaG
February 1, 2012, 04:24 PM
I have owned a dozen or so Tauri, still have one or two. I've sold, at the shop where I work, maybe 150 in the past three years. My summary of their quality takes several tacks....a. they are the most returned to the factory for service gun we sell (S&W,Ruger,Springfield,Kimber,Colt,Sig, and others) and we sell well over a thousand guns a year. b. Some of their models seem to have more issues than others, i.e. the small frame 22 revolvers are horrible lately in terms of lockup, trigger pull, and cylinder/barrel alignment. The Judges, for the first couple years of mfg came with vastly oversize cylinder throats and leaded badly. c. Large frame revolvers and all the trackers we've (and I've) had and sold were uniformly splendid in fit/finish and trigger pull...but not up to classic S&W standards (which also have varied over the years). The autos, for the most part, are uniformly good...few having to go back to the factory.
As for customer service, they are fast but often they don't fix what was the problem...rather they do something else. Calling them can be an exercise in frustration. Ordering special parts such as a scope mount for a tracker series can be really frustrating..."oh, yes, we have it in stock and we'll ship today on your card." Two weeks later a call to them tells us that it is on backorder. "Well, it must have gone to someone else and we didn't have another one." A full five weeks later it arrived.
I'm not totally down on them. I have a Judge still (the answer to a question no one asked), and a 17 Tracker (most accurate 100 yard revolver I've ever had/seen, and another answer to a question no one asked. Both are quite good in fit/finish and trigger pull. The Judge is a fine ten yard gun....with 3" 7 1/2s it will shred a snake's head and with the Win PD ammo it keeps the 3 discs within a spread hand at ten yards. 45 Colts, minute of large belly at 25 yards. Same owner, brother Rossi guns seem to have slightly better fit and finish and much better triggers, out of the box.
I tend to move up a notch and buy Ruger when times are tough, Smith when I'm a little more flush, and Kimber when I'm really lucky.
Confederate
February 1, 2012, 05:28 PM
My experience has been that Taurus revolvers are so-so and their autos are quite good. The revolvers look beautiful, but the tolerances are frequently off. The .22s you mentioned should be great if they work. I have no experience with the small autos, but if they work reliably, the .22 is vastly underrated in my view.
ExTank
February 1, 2012, 05:40 PM
I had a Taurus PT99 that ran like a champ (I regret trading it off), and I have a Raging Bull .44 that I've put about 200 round through without a single problem.
But....
But I've heard enough bad stuff about Taurus that I'd be very wary of buying another. I'd definietly seek out/research customer reviews/rating on any particular model I might be interested in.
YMMV.
kbbailey
February 1, 2012, 07:50 PM
I have a 4" 627 .357 tracker 7 shot. It is an awesome gun. It feels good, shoots good, great trigger. It is almost a perfect carry/defensive revolver....except I can roll the cylinder with the hammer down.....grrrr.
---I really like this gun, but...??
MICHAEL T
February 1, 2012, 07:59 PM
my experiance with Taurus has been bad Had a PT-22 Beretta copy was junk wouldn't fire 1/2 the time. Sent for repair came back " polished feed ramp" excuse me it won't fire Sent 2nd time still wouldn't fire lite strikes take 5 or 6 hits to fire 1 round .
38special revolver shooting from rest missing B-27 target at 50 ft.
PT-92 Gee this one works great, but just couldn't like. Always waiting for it to break after all first 2 were junk. No taurus in my house again ever.
kbbailey
February 1, 2012, 08:21 PM
To be fair, I must say that I have a flawless mod 669 Taurus. It is accurate, with a great trigger. Truly a good gun. I have taken several deer with this gun.
just for fun
February 2, 2012, 06:47 PM
own one, a SS85 snub nose.The older I get the more I realize the nicest thing you can say about anything is, I'd buy another one. As for the taurus, yes I'd buy it again. As for their autos, again the one's I've shot worked!
MCgunner
February 2, 2012, 09:06 PM
I don't care for the tip up design at all. I had a Beretta that jammed, misfired, couldn't make it work. I got rid of it at a gun show. These guns do not have an extractor, which I have a problem with. Hell, they're not too accurate, anyway. I'll take a pass, thanks.
PT92
February 2, 2012, 09:18 PM
I don't care for the tip up design at all. I had a Beretta that jammed, misfired, couldn't make it work. I got rid of it at a gun show. These guns do not have an extractor, which I have a problem with. Hell, they're not too accurate, anyway. I'll take a pass, thanks.
There's no doubt they are temperamental (translation:extremely ammo sensitive!). My Beretta Bobcat 21A runs good with all sorts of ammo from wallyworld to cci hv. However, it is only 100% reliable with CCI Stingers--so that's what I load her up with for BUG purposes. I actually enjoy taking a couple of boxes of remington, winchester or federal bulk .22lr ammo for some weekend plinking (again, here I will experience some fte's but not too many to make my sessions unenjoyable).
Likewise, it took me a while to find reliable consistent running ammo for our PT-25.
-Cheers
MCgunner
February 3, 2012, 08:48 PM
To each his own. I have a NAA revolver with holster grip for a .22 back up, always goes bang, no jams. I rotate ammo every week, especially in summer, to avoid sweat contamination and misfires.
45crittergitter
February 3, 2012, 09:41 PM
I've got a bunch of Tauruses (Tauri?) and the quality is good enough I've never needed any service.
Tomcat47
February 3, 2012, 10:19 PM
No Problems.....
Been Buying them since 1985 (when some of the cheaper ones were made) But mine still worked fine, shot fine....got what I paid for then...and in a lot of the purchases I feel I got more for my money.
Own or Have owned:
PT22
PT25
66 (.357 This was first one I bought 1985 ... Satin Stainless kinda looked aluminum...lol still nice revolver...tack driver as well! )
85
92 (Have Had 4 of These)
99 (Have Had 3 of These)
605
669 ( 6" .357 Tackdriver!!! )
905 (One of My Favorite Carry Guns ) 9mm Revolver
1911 ( Great pistol - Had Slide release break - CS Replaced very Fast!)
Millennium (.380 - 9mm - & .40 )
Tracker Series (.41 Mag - .44 Mag ) .41 is a Favorite!
Raging Bull
Raging Hornet
24/7
Have looked at 708 709 745 slims ... prob go with 709 ... I like 9mm for personal carry myself.
If I ever have problems with Taurus I will tell THR first!
Guess I been lucky .... and I probably missed listing a few?
jad0110
February 4, 2012, 08:13 AM
Like any other brand, good ones are good and bad ones are bad. Inspect carefully (and better yet, shoot it if that is an option) before you buy. On the revolver side, I have noted a higher lemon percentage with Taurus vs S&Ws and Rugers, so just be mindful of that. Wobbly rear sight assemblies on adjustable sight models and out of spec B/C gaps seem to be the most common problem areas on the Taurus revolvers I come upon.
As for the CS, given my rotten experience with them, I won't deal with them. Period. So the lifetime warranty is useless, from my perspective.
Fatelvis
February 4, 2012, 03:38 PM
I won't buy one.
Nushif
February 4, 2012, 04:13 PM
I have owned or am owning a PT911, a 905 and PT92.
All worked or still work great, so I couldn't tell you the first thing about customer service.
One thing I did notice though, is that they don't round their edges well. Both my 92 and my 905 were or are more "sharp" than their double price counterparts.
The PT92 wasn't though. Odd.
The Old Redneck
February 4, 2012, 05:07 PM
I guess I have been lucky. Owned several and never had to send one back. Some of the most accurate revolvers I own and that includes the Smith custom shop guns. Makes you think when your Taurus Tracker 44 mag shoots better groups at 100 yards than the performance shop Smith 44 mag. that cost several times more.
weregunner
February 5, 2012, 09:56 AM
Since a certain model should be discussed and has been it seems that that should be stuck to. It is irrelevant as to what other Taurus guns do.
I could supply links on the PT-22 and the PLY, but refrain from doing so.
Since how other Taurus models is of no importance to how the PLY-22 works and a make or model is not being discussed overall there seems little reason to partake.
It sounds like this is a reason for the anti crowd to start things back up as usual.
One does not ask about a particular model and then go in general to everything else. Not normally.
If you have an actual model that everyone can discuss without going out on tangents, no problem.
All I am going to say after this is that I have over 30 Tauri. All work well. Many are 20 or more years old.
I also own two PT-22s, one old and one new. They both work well.
All my Tauri I can bet my life on and they all work.
Miked7762
February 5, 2012, 01:05 PM
Since a certain model should be discussed and has been it seems that that should be stuck to. It is irrelevant as to what other Taurus guns do.
Except the OP asked about others' experience with Taurus in general, not a specific model. Reading what is asked goes a long way toward writing a coherent and relevant reply.
PT92
February 5, 2012, 02:32 PM
...All my Tauri I can bet my life on and they all work.
I have three Tauri products:
1) PT-92 (I am biased here as the Beretta 92 is my all-time favorite handgun closely followed by the 1911--I just like the Taurus 92 configuration of it better--If you can find a gun that fits like a glove (l am being literal here, BUY IT as you will become expert level with said weapon quick)
2) 24/7 OSS Tactical 9 (my first striker-fired gun after years of Glock range rentals as well as borrowing of buddies rigs)
3) PT-25 (call me crazy, but I have always had an affinity for mouse-guns and the .25ACP round almost as much as the .22 [until the costs exploded:barf:)
All of the aforementioned firearms have performed flawlessly (the 92 has 3k downrange, the 25 <1k and the 24/7 will see 750 rounds next weekend. Now I haven't yet approached a true '5K+ round stress test' but I never really intended to when I bought them. They are just range guns really and provide for lots of fun shooting with family!
Truth be told, I have been very fortunate with all of my guns irrespective of vendor as none of them have ever needed 'professional' gunsmithing work. Not to go off OP but come to think of it, the only problem I have had in the last ten years of shooting was with TWO brand-new Remington 1187's where the spent-shell swelled up in the chmaber and would not eject via the extractor. I had to polish the chamber/barrel with a drill using steel-wool and they both worked like a charm thereafter (Remington should have never let them leave the factory QC area like that--I spent 1K per on those shotguns about six years back which for me is good money).
-Cheers
Tomcat47
February 5, 2012, 02:52 PM
I again have input re Taurus......
As above stated I have had or still have many Taurus Firearms.
PT92 ... You point out something specific that I agree with. My PT92's and 99's have always worked and worked well. I have Beretta variants of same pistol and would never knock my Berettas, because they are superb firearms.
But I will say this, I am glad old Forjas Taurus had the idea of moving the safety to the frame! I like that one thing over the Beretta, but not saying it is better than the Beretta either. I just like it...more 1911'ish
And Back to point! Yes OP ask about company in a whole not the product.
Again, I have never had Many problems with the products in many years, therefore, never needed the lifetime warranty, nor customer service but a handful of times. Most recently in 2011! I have never been so much as charged shipping for a replacement part, They were very courteous and fixed my issues within a reasonable amount of time? Do not know if it is because they have many warranty cards on file with my name on them or what the reason is. But they have been very good to me.
Sauer Grapes
February 6, 2012, 09:42 AM
All I am going to say after this is that I have over 30 Tauri. All work well.
You have any secret to getting that many that work? I'm 1 for 2 on Taurus. Your 30 for 30?
I think a lot of us have mixed feelings about Taurus. My PT709 gets carried most of the time. I'm very happy with it. When I got it, it wouldn't get through on mag without a stove pipe. I sent it back, 5 weeks later I had it back. Been fine ever since.
I like consistency, which is why I doubt I'll buy another Taurus. But the 709 is here to stay.
george29
February 6, 2012, 10:09 AM
Any mechanical instrument will eventually need service, repair or replacement. Notice how many old Mercedes there are? If it's built right from the start it will work for a very long time. If a company has the reputation of being meticulous at building good quality they can charge a premium price. Compare Mercedes/BMW to Ford/Chrysler/KIA/Hyundai. Compare Taurus to Sig/FN (intentionally didn't say Beretta/S&W). That's all I'm saying.
Miked7762
February 6, 2012, 11:24 PM
But I will say this, I am glad old Forjas Taurus had the idea of moving the safety to the frame!
Actually, they didn't. The 92 originally had the frame mounted safety, Taurus just never changed it.
http://www.berettaweb.com/92%20Successo/92/P-Beretta-92-sx.gif
weregunner
February 7, 2012, 03:31 PM
My experience is that I have 10 Tauri in pistol form and 27 in revolver form.
All are giving good service with no problems.
ExTank
February 7, 2012, 05:44 PM
I know I just said the other day upthread that I'd be wary of another Taurus (in spite of good experiences with them), but....
...I saw a neglected PT92 AF for sale in the "Used" display case at Cabela's last Saturday; and someone had gone to the trouble of putting adjustable sights on it. After looking it over inside & out, I took it home for $350, cleaned it up (it took a good bit of cleaning), and put 100rds through it on Sunday with 1 FF (slide locked open as if on an empty mag). I didn't even have to adjust the sights.
Dang thang's a tack driver.
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