Weird triple rifle (drilling?) on "Grimm"


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zxcvbob
January 20, 2012, 12:06 AM
It looked like a double-barrel 12-gauge or maybe 10-gauge with a third large centerfire rifle barrel (maybe .45-70) underneath. At the end of the show they said it was two .600 Nitro Express and a .577 (presumably .577 Snider or .577 Nitro Express)

Supposedly made about 100 years ago, but I don't recall seeing any hammers. Were there hammerless actions that long ago? Where there any triple rifles, or was at least one barrel always a shotgun? Also, all 3 barrels fired at the same time. :rolleyes:

I know it's a silly TV show and they took some artistic license. I just wonder how much they made up out of thin air and how much they just took history and tweaked it.

I think the props department had fun modifying a modern SxS 12 gauge to make it look like an antique double rifle and they got carried away adding a 3rd barrel.

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firesky101
January 20, 2012, 12:14 AM
I have never seen a drilling with that particular combination, but there were a lot of custom guns done. The first thing I thought when I saw that show was good lord that would hurt my shoulder. As far as all three going off at once... Not extremely practical, but lots of custom stuff done with those old african game rifles.

Tommygunn
January 20, 2012, 12:16 AM
If it is a european gun (having seen the show I believe it was) this is going to be complicated by the fact that back when Nitro Express calibers were in common use the customer could order up most any reasonable configuration he wanted, all he needed was the $$$$. I've seen doubles with a third rifle barrel in them, below the two large caliber barrels. I've seen pics of old elephant guns with and without hammers. It was pretty rare with older guns but not impossible.
If it was a triple barrel or a double both barrels would not have fired by the same pull of the trigger, but a person inexperienced might liight off more than one barrel if his finger slipped under recoil -- and those old Nitro Expresses did that really well. RECOIL, that is.
Usually each barrel had its own trigger.

I think the point with the TV show is the Brautbat guy was inexperienced with guns and thus he lit the whole thing off and it knocked him on his keister .... as well as (miracuously) taking out the troll as well.

Float Pilot
January 20, 2012, 03:41 AM
the Brautbat guy

It is Blutbad which means Blood Bath in German.
However, nobody in Germany (my wife is from the Black Forrest area) would call a werewolf a Blutbad. They would simply sayWerwolf or maybe Wolfsmensch (wolfman).
Just like the one episode were the pig people were call Bauerschwein, which would loosely translate into Farm Pig. But not in real German it doesn't...

Speaking of the Black Forest, my cousin-in-law is a gun stock maker over there and he collects Drillings and other odd multi-barrel rifles / shotgun combos. All under the table there now , since you can't even have a plastic toy gun that looks like a real gun these days. (That is what happened when they let the over-populated commies from the East vote along side of them... Now they are somewhat outnumbered)

JohnBT
January 20, 2012, 09:56 AM
www.hoferwaffen.com/hofer_52.php?lang=en

Three, four or even five barrels.

I still want one of his Hummingbird rifles, a 2.2#, .17 HMR sidelever SxS.

John

Tommygunn
January 20, 2012, 11:07 AM
It is Blutbad which means Blood Bath in German.
However, nobody in Germany (my wife is from the Black Forrest area) would call a werewolf a Blutbad. They would simply sayWerwolf or maybe Wolfsmensch (wolfman).
Just like the one episode were the pig people were call Bauerschwein, which would loosely translate into Farm Pig. But not in real German it doesn't...

So much for my aging memory.....:uhoh:

I should have picked up Bauerschwein. :rolleyes: The OP was wondering if the gun was "made up" for the TV show and I was wondering if the names of these creatures were made up, or descended from real German mythology, or .... whatever.
It's TV ..... sometimes I think they even "make up" the news. :what::scrutiny::barf:

c.latrans
January 20, 2012, 11:21 AM
Not to hijack the thread, but my daughter and son in law are stationed in Germany with the USAF. My wife and I spent a month over there last fall as our 30th anniv. gift to ourselves. My daughter has gone through the process to own weapons and have her hunting license over there so I got to go along on a few drive hunts and sat some high seats. Lots of the older guys, especially the drivers were shooting drillings of every description, while the younger guys had everything from milsurps to Blasers. EVERYONE who stands on the sidelines of the 2nd amendment fight needs to go see for themselves what those German hunters have to go through just to own and use hunting rifles. You will come away with an entirely different perspective. But I did see and handle some of the nicest drillings one could ever hope to see. By the way, just my handling of the rifles was technically illegal.

303tom
January 20, 2012, 11:35 AM
http://www.fanzoj.com/en/gunroom/custom_built_weapons/other_rifles/index.html

zxcvbob
January 20, 2012, 12:08 PM
I could spend all day drooling over that hoferwaffen.com web site.

I had no idea that hammerless locks went back that far! (I still think that was a 12 gauge drilling and the center rifle barrel was a lot smaller than .577) Those big cartridges even looked like brass shotgun shells with a bullet stuck in the end -- they weren't long enough to be NE rifle cartridges. But I just got a quick look at them so I could be mistaken there.

Maybe they borrowed an old drilling and just put new "ogre" engravings over the side plates?

I thought it was interesting they recovered all 3 bullets from the body. :rolleyes:

henschman
January 20, 2012, 01:14 PM
I saw that episode and thought it was pretty ridiculous that it fired all 3 barrels at once. That kind of defeats the purpose of a double (or triple) for dangerous game... if your first shot doesn't do the trick you have another shot if the beast charges you.

I assume they have some kind of gun consultant who sources the firearms for studios... they probably asked for an "elephant gun" and he came up with that, whatever it is, and I'm sure the director or somebody who doesn't know anything about guns threw in the part about all 3 firing at once.

Lightbringer
January 21, 2012, 01:12 AM
Here is a link to an image of the firearm in question: Siegbarste Gewehr (http://www.nbc.com/grimm/exclusives/trailer/images/popovers/elephant-gun.png)

NBC's Grimm site offer's this fanciful description:

"Commonly known as an elephant gun, this large triple barrel rifle is used specifically in the Grimm world for taking down Siegbarstes. Over 100 years old, it was made mostly for royalty for their safaris in Africa. When its enormous bullets are coated in the poisonous Siegbarste Gift (or Siegbarste poision), one shot can be fatal for these massive creatures."

DocWatson42
February 6, 2012, 12:39 AM
Please pardon my "bumping" this thread. I was hoping that someone else would answer the question, but since no-one else has, I'll jump in.

It looked like a double-barrel 12-gauge or maybe 10-gauge with a third large centerfire rifle barrel (maybe .45-70) underneath. At the end of the show they said it was two .600 Nitro Express and a .577 (presumably .577 Snider or .577 Nitro Express)

Those big cartridges even looked like brass shotgun shells with a bullet stuck in the end -- they weren't long enough to be NE rifle cartridges.

I froze the video when Monroe was loading the third and last round into the right-hand barrel, and the left hand side of the headstamp read "16", though I could not read the rest. Also, the primer of the (much smaller) cartridge in the bottom barrel was approximately 1/3 the width of whole base, similar to that of a 9mm Parabellum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sig_p210_dk_001.jpg). Unfortunately, my view was of the video on demand version; I checked the Hulu version with the thought of taking a screenshot, but the video was too low grade.

Hypothesis: The upper two barrels are 16 gauge (which is a bit shorter, but about the same diameter as a .600 Nitro Express (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.600_Nitro_Express) cartridge) with the bullets stuck into the case as zxcvbob suggests, while the lower is .357 Magnum or a similar rimmed caliber. Yes/no/maybe/I'm nuts?

ewlyon
February 6, 2012, 04:21 AM
anyone else notice that when he assembled the rifle he did not attach the forend? he just put the barrel assembly on and fired. kind of odd unless i missed something

DocWatson42
February 6, 2012, 04:29 AM
anyone else notice that when he assembled the rifle he did not attach the forend? he just put the barrel assembly on and fired. kind of odd unless i missed something
I think you missed that Monroe was in a hurry because Detective Griffin was already very engaged in a fight for his life. <sweat drop>

Mp7
February 6, 2012, 04:29 AM
i call BS on all the "german" used in this.

Art Eatman
February 6, 2012, 10:54 AM
I have seen a few drillings with one 16- and one 12-gauge barrel, with a 7x57R below. I guess that 8mm or 9mm wouldn't be all that unusual. I've no clue as to the why of two different gauges, though...

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