What's a "Turner sling," and why is is so good?


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SteelyDan
February 7, 2004, 10:53 PM
I've been reading these "spend $1000" and "spend $700" threads, and there are a lot of recommendations for a Turner sling. So I guess I need one. Only problem is, I have absolutely no idea what they are. Guess I've been asleep at the wheel for awhile. Can you enlighten me, please, and explain why they're worth three times as much as a "normal" sling? Thanks.

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TrapperReady
February 7, 2004, 10:59 PM
What most are referring to are the 1907-pattern military-style leather sling. Turner slings are well-built and definitely aid in sling-assisted shooting. I've got them on three rifles that I use for highpower or JC Garand matches.

Les-Tam also makes very nice (many/most would say better) slings.

As far as them costing "three times as much as a normal sling", I think it's because they are constructed that much better and will last that much longer.

MacPelto
February 7, 2004, 11:56 PM
WHat's the advantage over a Ching-sling?

Soap
February 7, 2004, 11:57 PM
http://www.turnersling.com

Quality is excellent.

goalie
February 8, 2004, 12:13 AM
Here is a web-page with pics on how to use the sling and a link to a web-page on how to attack a 1907 sling to the rifle in the first place.


http://www.fulton-armory.com/sling.htm

http://www.fulton-armory.com/slinguse.htm

A sling supported position greatly increases a rifleman's ability to deliver accurate fire. A person who is serious about shooting wants a sling that increases their accuracy as well as aids in carrying their rifle. The 1907 sling fits that bill, and Turner makes a great sling for a pretty reasonable price. If I were looking for a sling to use on a hunting rifle, I would give serious consideration to a synthetic Turner 1097 style sling like this one:

http://www.creedmoorsports.com/C1061G.html

cracked butt
February 8, 2004, 05:37 AM
The quality is very high. The price is really a bargain if you've ever purchased a mass roduced 1907 sling for $25-$40 from the typical manufacturers you find in gunshops and expected to use it as a shooting sling.

AK103K
February 8, 2004, 06:50 AM
WHat's the advantage over a Ching-sling?

Absolutely none in the real world.

goalie
February 8, 2004, 07:43 AM
Absolutely none in the real world.

Of course, if you leave the real world and enter the world of service rifle competition, the 1907 is legal for both CMP and NRA service rifle competition. The Ching sling is not. Some would consider that an advantage.

AK103K
February 8, 2004, 08:09 AM
Agreed, in the world of plenty of time and fixed rules, your stuck with what you have to play with. For everything else, the Ching sling wins hands down. I'm sure it would do well in the matches too, if allowed, especially if you were not allowed to sling up prior to the string. You can easily sling up on the way to the ground with the Ching, thats not so easy with the 1907, even trying to use it as a quick hasty set up. If you've never tried a Ching, I would suggest you do at your earliest convenience. You may have a 1907 on your match rifle due to the rules, but you will have a Ching on all your other guns once you've tried it.

Slingster
February 8, 2004, 09:30 AM
AK103K:

I appreciate the vote of confidence and am glad to hear of another satisfied user of my Ching Sling.

For those who don't want to install a third, middle stud, or have a heavier rifle, my new Safari Ching Sling is another way to go.

http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterP3.asp?ProductID=2518&CatalogID=361

Steve Smith
February 8, 2004, 06:51 PM
I have seen recent pics of Marine snipers in Iraq using a properly rigged 1907 sling. Takes 10 seconds to put on, and is worth it.

AK103K
February 8, 2004, 07:34 PM
Ten seconds can be a lifetime when your in a rush and under stress. Thats the biggest advantage to the Ching, there is no fiddling, just stick your arm in the loop and your slung in, it really is that fast. A properly adjusted Ching is every bit as good, snug and tight as the 1907 sling. I'm sure the Marines were doing what they were taught and provided with. (and you know how that goes, theres every other way, and then theres only one right way, the Marine Corps way, so dont even go there :) ) I spent a weekend training for high power matches with the Marine Corps MTU (rifle team/ snipers) back in the early 90's. They said they actually "ran" the combat course "slung up" just so they wouldnt have to screw with the sling. I'd really like to hear their comments running the same course with a Ching on the rifle instead of the standard issue sling. It will work on a M16/AR15 as well as anything else with just a minor handguard modification. If your in the position of having all the time in the world, it doesnt matter how long it takes. And if you have to follow the rules, oh well, I guess your stuck with them. But if you want to assume a good solid position, be it standing, sitting, kneeling, prone or whatever, effortlessly, right now, the Ching is really the only way to go.


Hey Slingster, thanks for coming up with it. :)

goalie
February 8, 2004, 08:06 PM
A Marine sniper does a whole lot of things that take longer than 10 seconds when they are getting set up. They also do not use M16's.

AK103K
February 9, 2004, 02:24 AM
The combat course is run as a squad and they do use M16's when shooting it. The Marine snipers are also for the most part the Marine Corps competive rifle team. My point with the Ching sling is, its a much more versitile sling, especially for hunters and field type shooters.

goalie
February 9, 2004, 03:22 AM
The Marine snipers are also for the most part the Marine Corps competive rifle team.

The Marine Corps rifle team does not consist of even a significant fraction of the scout/sniper trained individuals in the Corps. The vast majority of Marines who go through the school at Quantico (or a division level school) don't ever shoot competetively in the Marines. My point before was just that when you are setting up as a team with a spotting scope, getting into position with a 1907-style sling is not exactly extending the process time-wise significantly.

AK103K
February 9, 2004, 06:11 AM
The three members of the MTU that instructed our class were on the Marine Corps rifle team and were also scout/snipers. They told us that most of the shooters were, at least then they were. They all said they came from different MOS's and were asked to join the team due to their scores in Corps wide matches. I forget the actual numbers, but I think they said there were a dozen or so on the team picked out of around 100,000. They went over the issue 1907 sling very well and showed how best to use it and how to modify and double up the keepers so they were real tight and stayed that way. No doubt it works, and works well when set up properly, but it is slow and cumbersome. I understood what you meant about the other things.

goalie
February 9, 2004, 07:10 AM
AK,

There are a lot of scout/snipers in the Corps, in fact, every infantry battalion has a STA platoon, or at least they did when I was in (88-92). Conversely, there are very few members of the Marine Corps rifle team. Even among the small amount of members of the Marine Corps MTU, not all of them have gone through the sniper school at Quantico.

Steve Smith
February 9, 2004, 10:03 AM
Actually from what I have read from quite a few sniper writings and discussions with guys on the Marine team, Highpower is an easy area to glean recruits since they already have the shooting portion down and just need to learn the stalking portions. Having said that, I'm sure the Ching is a good sling, but I and several other guys have used the 1907 very successfully when hunting, as well as on the firing line. I imagine a large part of this is familiarity. I use a 1907 so much I don't even think about it. When I try to teach the use of the 1907 to a newbie, it's like teaching him to paint with his feet. I'm sure the Ching has an easier learning curve.

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