Defensive Knife - General Questions


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Bobson
January 23, 2012, 11:06 PM
I searched the forum on this topic and dug up a ton of information, which was super helpful. The information I found also led to a few questions.

1. HSO and others have recommended that a defensive knife ought to have a straight handle and relatively straight blade/cutting edge. I have yet to learn why that's important, and would appreciate clarification.
2. Why are assisted-opening knives generally shunned when it comes to defensive knives? Seems to me that this would be a critical trait for a defensive knife to have, because I would think being able to open a folder quickly would be very important in a defensive situation.
3. Spyderco knives like the Delica, Manix, Tenacious, and Resilience seem to be very popular among those who prefer a folder for a defensive knife. The Spyderco knives I've handled seem to have fairly thin (and I assume brittle) blades, at least at the tip. I've been told that knives with thin blades (like the Kershaw Leek, and others) are poor choices for defensive applications. Why are the aforementioned Spyderco knives great choices (and very popular), while other knives that seem to be very comparable are not?

Please don't confuse my questions for arrogance or jaded sarcasm. I'm here to learn from you folks with more experience. :) I recently lost my no-name pocketknife that I've had for as long as I can remember. I must have lost it a dozen times over the past 15 years or more, but I always happened to find it later - sometimes weeks later. It's pictured at the bottom. So, I want to find a new knife, and decided I may as well select a knife that will serve in a defensive role at least moderately well. (Yes, I know a cane is a much better defensive tool, but I'm just not too interested in a cane currently :p )

The following are links to knives I'm considering. Any input on them would be great. Sorry for the long post.

Spyderco Tenacious (http://www.amazon.com/Spyderco-Tenacious-Handle-Folding-Plain/dp/B001EI7578/ref=pd_sbs_sg_1)
Spyderco Resilience (http://www.amazon.com/Spyderco-Resilience-Black-PlainEdge-Knife/dp/B004AWOLV8/ref=pd_sim_sg_10)
Columbia River (Ken Onion) Ripple (http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/CRK405KXP/columbia-river-ken-onion-ripple-3) - I really love the look of this knife. :o
Columber River M16 - Carson Design (http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/CRM1601T/columbia-river-m16-carson-design-plain)
Columbia River M16-14SF (http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/CRM1614SF/columbia-river-carson-m16-14sf-special-forces)

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conw
January 23, 2012, 11:23 PM
My take...you don't want a whole lot of belly because slashing isn't even a very effective strategy, physiologically speaking (doesn't penetrate much, and it's much more difficult than many people make out to cut "biomechanical" targets, and the physiological efficacy of BMC is not very well confirmed medically or anecdotally). You want an "aligned" tip because stabbing/thrusting is what you do if you aren't slashing.

AO knives are a poor choice because they frequently require you to totally compromise the knife hold in order to get them to deploy. E.g. you pull it out between thumb and forefinger, reposition to get your thumb or forefinger on the AO mechanism, then totally reposition to get the proper fighting grip. It is "faster" but you are adding in a much more complex and failure prone movement portion.

Proper technique with a spyderhole - draw, index on grip (by pushing the closed knife against your hip), index on opening mechanism, open, acquire full grip - is somewhat easier.

Finally still on the spectrum of sub-optimal folders, wave (patented by Emerson) mechanisms are somewhat better because they allow you to forego the indexing and opening phases, and go straight from draw to acquire full grip.

My own favorite fighting folder is the Spyderco p'kal, which has a special wave-style pin. It opens into reverse grip edge in and has all of the requirements for a good point driven fighting knife.

Then you get into fixed blades, which are optimal because they can be positioned optimally for access with a good sheath, in the 11 o'clock region for ambidextrous access, and are also orders of magnitude LESS prone to human or mechanical failure. The clinch pick, TDI, la griffe, and similar knives don't require opening or indexing after drawing, and the canted ambidextrous position allows drawing with minimal articulation of the 3 main joints involved (wrist, elbow, shoulder). The first two are also extremely ergonomic which can't be discounted. They're VERY easy to draw and hold onto.

A lot of the stuff you seem to be listing, such as blade length, opening mechanism, locking, and the differences between something like the kershaws and the spydercos, are overly academic distinctions. If you want a folder it just makes a lot more sense to use a wave opener; the difference between wave and everything else is enormous. Even with a wave, due to the fact it usually has to go in a pocket, it's very hard to deploy a folding knife.

The difference between a poor quality FB and an excellent quality folder is so incredibly huge that if you can possibly carry a FB it would be advisable. Folders just suck for self-defense knives.

zhyla
January 24, 2012, 10:51 AM
I think you may have confused the many frequent recommendations to buy Spyderco Delica, Manix, Native, etc as recommendations to use them as a defensive knife. These knives are incredibly useful tools that even an office-dweller like myself uses constantly. That they could be used in a pinch to stab somebody is somewhat incidental.

Edit: hadn't paid attention to the wave openers until now. Wow, that's pretty clever.

saltydog452
January 24, 2012, 11:29 AM
The notion of sharp pointy things, and defense doesn't seem to fit too well in the same box.

sd.

JShirley
January 24, 2012, 01:18 PM
Not exactly true. In MOST situations, knives are not ideal for defense.

The exception, is when you are caught. At contact distance, a quick sharp may be the best way to save your life.

It's also hard to carry your handgun in the shower, while I really, really hope Spyderco starts making a little fixed-blade H1 neck knife. Sexual assault is a major problem here in Afghanistan, and assault on males may happen even more than on females. And we can't take our firearms with us, when we go to the shower.

Me, I can probably take care of myself, but I would love to be able to give something like that little rust-proof knife to everyone on my team. I've actually just ordered some G10 neckers to test...

Bobson, the Manix series are not at all delicate.

rcmodel
January 24, 2012, 03:10 PM
The Spyderco knives I've handled seem to have fairly thin (and I assume brittle) blades, at least at the tip.That has not been my experience, and I have used Spiderco Delica's and Enduras off & on for work & EDC since the company has been in business.

But then again, I don't use my knifes for screwdrivers or pry bars either.

The most delicate part of a Spyderco with the old molded pocket clip was the old molded pocket clip.

I have broke them.
But I have never broken the tip off a blade.

rc

conw
January 24, 2012, 03:15 PM
John, how about just having custom sheaths made to carry open (H1) folders? I've always liked this idea because it makes folders more versatile.

To me the big issue with folders isn't necessarily whether they will stay open once open, but rather how to get them open in a fight.

Also, neck carry kinda sucks IMO, maybe a decent idea for in the shower, but a similar idea I like better is the "paracord harness" that is available in various iterations.

X-Rap
January 24, 2012, 03:18 PM
Sexual assault is a major problem here in Afghanistan, and assault on males may happen even more than on females.
Dam that is a shocking statement!!!! I'd have an ax leaned up in the stall as well as a knife around my neck.

Bobson
January 24, 2012, 04:23 PM
I appreciate all the help so far, and for the clarification on the Spyderco knives from JShirley and rcmodel. I didn't mean to say that I've owned them and found them to be brittle or otherwise weak in the blade. I meant that when I had handled them in stores, they just seemed thin to me. Of course, I'm no expert on knives lol. Guess I'm just used to the thick blade my old pocketknife had.

Anyone have any experience with the CRKT M16 line - specifically either of the two that I linked?

X-Rap
January 24, 2012, 04:39 PM
I lose knives at frequent intervals so I personaly like the lower cost of the M16 line, the last one had the Zytel?? handles and lasted a couple yrs before I lost it this last fall hunting. I don't know how they are as a defensive blade and I'm far from a purist but I can say they are pretty tough and I think they will hold up in a fight.

conw
January 24, 2012, 04:42 PM
I've always been extremely unimpressed with the CRKT M16 folders I handled. NIB they have really poor lockup and a lot of blade play. They also seem to have chunky spines and an awkward grind. I think you can do much better.

If you are sold on the shape (fairly long, thin, and skinny, very pointy profile) I think the CS Voyager series would be a step up.

But again refer back to my previous point. The 3 categories for carryable SD knives are basically: [any folding knife w/o wave]; [any folding knife w/ wave]; and [any fixed blade]. While there is a lot of variation within each category, the biggest differences in efficacy and usability for SD are between categories.

JShirley
January 25, 2012, 01:21 AM
Conwict,

I have an H1 Dragonfly on the way, so we'll see.

J

Bobson
January 25, 2012, 02:54 AM
The information here has directed me toward the Emerson CQC8. Seems to be a great knife with awesome reviews, but its much more expensive than I had planned to spend, at $175+... I may have to pick up something closer to half that price for now, and call that my EDC. Will probably pick up a CQC8 down the road, as a dedicated "SD" folder, and just carry both - that seems to be the most common advice.

JShirley
January 25, 2012, 04:32 AM
If you like the WAVE function, I strongly suggest a WAVEd Spyderco Delica. About $70, strong and lightweight, big enough for almost any task, but not so large as to make it seem like you're looking for trouble.

John

hso
January 25, 2012, 09:49 AM
I'm not a fan of the "wave", but having it doesn't hurt anything (except the pants pocket as you play with it). My opinion is that most people will fail to effectively use the wave opening technique under stress because they'll have stronger "programming" to manually open the knife or "pop" the knife instead. As such they'll either fumble the wave opening or simply not use it. Having it and not using it isn't a problem in my mind, but having it and fumbling it is.

DNS
January 26, 2012, 03:18 AM
Not big on the knife defense thing but I've carried the Tenacious as my EDC for 18 months now.

The Tenacious is 8cr13mov (58-59 rockwell 'c' hardness). Its not as hard as Spyderco's other wonder steels so chipping/breakage shouldn't be an issue.

glistam
January 26, 2012, 01:36 PM
Good info all around.

My one contribution to this is that for defense/high-stress usage I recommend using a two-hand opening regardless of the mechanism it came with. Adrenalin screws up your dexterity, so it's best to be as simple and deliberate as you can, and keep a nice secure grip. With this is mind, a knife you pick should have a blade where it has a easily-grasped surface when closed.

JShirley
January 28, 2012, 06:39 AM
I recommend using a two-hand opening regardless of the mechanism it came with

I strongly disagree. Some types of one-hand opening DO require more fine motor skills than others- the "forward flick" I once used to open my Buck Crosslock comes to mind- but it's just bad planning to deliberately tie up a hand that could be otherwise engaged in saving your life.

My Spydercos can all be opened with a single hand if I am able to move at all. The Gerber automatic knife I currently carry- having given away my last Spyderco, and waiting for a replacement in the mail- would also not open in any way more positively if I used two hands. In fact, any way I can imagine to use two hands with it would only make a bad opening more likely. :confused:

John

lemaymiami
January 28, 2012, 01:47 PM
I carried a defensive blade along with all my other duty gear as a uniform cop for many years. Although I had several, the one I favored probably wouldn't be considered a "defensive" knife in the current philosophy. It was a single blade carbon steel locking folder in the same design and size as the standard Sodbuster - only much, much sharper, made by Henckels (good German craftsmanship, no longer in the folding knife business). It was mostly used to cut seatbelts, those super strong FlexCuffs, and other non-defensive chores and it rode in what looked like a single magazine pouch. With a bit of practice it can be opened one handed almost as quickly as a good switchblade, and closed single handed as well.... I travelled internationally with it in a pants pocket as an "ordinary pocket knife" in the years before 9-11.

This was not a knife for "knife fighting" it was an instrument to be used to disable the hand of your opponent at contact range only. A single cut to the inside of the wrist with a second cut inside the upper arm or elbow (and that second cut will kill in three minutes if you take the brachial artery and the bleeding isn't stopped..). Done properly your opponent only realizes that a knife is in play after they've been wounded.... I never considered it an offensive weapon at all, but having it each day and knowing exactly how it was to be used.... was pre-planned. I'm grateful it was never needed.

glistam
January 28, 2012, 08:30 PM
Maybe I'm wrong. I just had a bad experience with a thumb-stud knife when I had to cut someone's clothing loose from machinery (I dropped my knife). It gave me pause, but maybe I just have not handled enough one-handers under duress. Also, sorry I did not mean to include AOs and Autos in my suggestion. Should have been more specific.

Ghost Tracker
January 28, 2012, 08:44 PM
I began buying & using "one-handed" opening folders a LONG time ago (+35 years). As a member of a bunch of young technical rock climbers, we decided the one-handed technique was a GREAT idea because you were, often as not, hanging on...with the OTHER HAND! Folding knife design has radically improved since we were trying self-mods on Buck 110s to make 'em work for our purpose. I now like Spyderco models. While they're not Emerson quality, it's tough to make one fail.

Ole Coot
January 28, 2012, 08:56 PM
I carry two. A SAK for all mundane chores and a SOG Flash II behind my belt buckle, either hand access. The SOG is very light, solid enough and doesn't do anything except wait for an emergency. As it probably won't be seen as I don't like to advertise it will work, hopefully unseen.

JShirley
January 29, 2012, 07:38 AM
glistam,

The Buck I mention was a thumb-stud, as well.

When opening most knives with an opening hole, it's hard to screw that up, so long as you get your thumb into the hole. There are alternative opening styles, even with the same knives (such as flicking the blade out on a BB or Axis-lock-equipped knife) that are less certain.

John

aaronu
January 29, 2012, 06:33 PM
I carry a Benchmade 730 Ares any time I'm not flying. I'm sure in the right hands it would be a formidable weapon but for me it is a useful tool. On the other hand I've carried it for more than 10 years and have good muscle memory with it.

Since I'm left handed I've come to appreciate Benchmade Axis lock knives. Prior to the Axis lock I primarily bought Benchmade or Spyderco lockbacks. I know other companies have similar locks now but I still prefer the Benchmades.

As far as assisted openers, I'm not as much a fan of them as I thought I'd be. I can open and close an Axis lock one handed/either handed, quickly. And I can do so quietly if need be. An AO Axis knife makes noise when it snaps open and takes more attention to close safely. Probably I could get used to those things but for now I'm perfectly happy with my Ares.

If it were for defensive use only, one could skip folding knives entirely and carry a small neck knife like a Spartan Enyo or CQB Tool.

257robert
February 12, 2012, 10:16 AM
when and if you are attacked, which is mostly when it's least expected, it is very difficult to draw and open a folder because of the adrenaline rush and the initial confusion about what is happening, a fixed blade is always loaded and ready to go. however your initial response would be an empty hand deflection and strike of some sort, giving you time to draw and use your knife or firearm. think about the reality, not the flashy ads for the reinvented fighting knife.

JShirley
February 13, 2012, 12:17 AM
Welcome to THR.

In my experience- both as a former infantryman, and as someone with many years of martial arts- under stress, you do what you've trained to do.

It helps if you have thousands of good repititions of getting offline while blocking and drawing your folder. ;)

You might find that good, consistent training and continual awareness cuts down on "unexpected attacks".

John

jwsracin
February 13, 2012, 12:47 AM
i have and love my ripple , i'm sure that there are better knives out there but this thing opens like no other, pretty sure, at least from the video i saw on youtube, that i can draw it and open as fast as a wave draw

257robert
February 13, 2012, 02:46 PM
thank you for the welcome, yes I have many years of various martial arts training plus combat experience, i completely agree that we are all responsible for our own safety and health and should not wholly rely on others, and if you don't have any training remember the first rule of self defense is ovoid putting yourself in a potentially dangerous situation if at all possible.

1911 guy
February 21, 2012, 10:38 PM
I carry two knives, one is a folder for everyday stuff. The other is the aforementioned TDI-LE. A fixed blade is very hard to screw up and I don't discount at all the ability of a short blade to make someone leak an awful lot of blood in a quick hurry when the cut is a half inch to one inch deep and a foot long.

When i'm thinking defensive knife, I look at it with an eye toward handgun retention. This requires one handed use, accesability with either hand an a blade that maximizes wound depth or length. Personally, I opt for length. Going deep can invite trouble with a knife lodging in something, anything from muscle, bone or bunched up clothing, with enough resistance to inhibit you from withdrawing it for another attack as you'd like.

osan
March 3, 2012, 12:06 PM
1. HSO and others have recommended that a defensive knife ought to have a straight handle and relatively straight blade/cutting edge. I have yet to learn why that's important, and would appreciate clarification.

There are several aspects to address here. First, there are few universals where such questions are concerned. I would have to disagree with the assertion because the issue is one of personal preference. What works well for one person fails for another. That said, one must have enough training under their belt to know what they actually prefer. The great hazard where training is concerned lies in the fact that bad habits, once adopted, are very difficult to free oneself from. So you must know what you are doing to some minimal degree before being reasonably qualified to determine such choices. Yet, one must start with something and that begs the question, "what?" Mr. Chicken, meet Mr. Egg.

2. Why are assisted-opening knives generally shunned when it comes to defensive knives? Seems to me that this would be a critical trait for a defensive knife to have, because I would think being able to open a folder quickly would be very important in a defensive situation.

All combat situations are potentially terminal events. Even school yard punches in the nose can lead to death or serious injury. This fact alone should make it clear to one and all why fighting of any form should be avoided at any reasonable cost. Because of the grave threat that ALL combat presents to all engaging in it, reliability becomes a grand virtue. Any combat severe enough to warrant the production and use of a knife demands absolute reliability of the weapon, which includes fool-proof operation. Folding knives are operationally less simple than fixed blades. What seems to us an insignificant aspect of use under relaxed circumstances becomes a potentially fatal complication when one's life is flashing before their eyes.

A fixed blade knife is always superior to any other type, all else equal. They are simpler to produce under stress and are sturdier. When your life depends on it, you do not want a knife to fail in any manner or degree.

3. Spyderco knives like the Delica, Manix, Tenacious, and Resilience seem to be very popular among those who prefer a folder for a defensive knife. The Spyderco knives I've handled seem to have fairly thin (and I assume brittle) blades, at least at the tip. I've been told that knives with thin blades (like the Kershaw Leek, and others) are poor choices for defensive applications. Why are the aforementioned Spyderco knives great choices (and very popular), while other knives that seem to be very comparable are not?

I gave up on Spyderco after losing several of them. I don't know what their quality is like these days, but about 15 or so years ago it took a noticeable dive while their prices went through the roof. That was enough for me.

jwsracin
March 5, 2012, 11:20 PM
JShirley hit the nail on the head, repetitive operation is better than any new little trick or AO gimicks IMO. my co-worker has a kershaw with spring assist and i have a crkt ripple with bearings and no springs, and we can not tell which opens faster, but i can open my all stainless spyderco with a flick into a reverse position faster than his kershaw

9mmepiphany
March 6, 2012, 12:35 AM
I don't usually post in this section as my experience with the defensive use of knives had been fairly limited, until a couple of weeks ago.

I carried a variety of folding knives over time, usually following whatever the current fad was. This went through stilettos, balisongs, bucks, tanto shapes and everything between. I've carried them for work, but never had to use one defensively (as I was to discover, this was a good thing). I currently carry a Spyderco large Wegner or a CRKT S-2

There aren't a lot of folks who teach the use of a defensive folder without a long build up, rituals and skill drills and I just never seem to have the time. But when you figure out that a pistol isn't the best answer (I'm a big handgun guy) at contact distances, sometimes you just need to look harder.

What I ended up doing is attending a Michael Janich Martial Blade Concepts (MBC) two day class which was held locally. The presentation was presented in an engaging manner and showed a well researched and thought out approach to using a folder for defense. I have many of the same questions listed and many of the misconceptions of the use of a knife defensively that have followed the OP. Allow me to share some of what I have taken away from the two days:


1. HSO and others have recommended that a defensive knife ought to have a straight handle and relatively straight blade/cutting edge. I have yet to learn why that's important, and would appreciate clarification.
You want a straight handle to focus your strikes on the edge of the blade as an extension of your arm structure. It also makes strikes with the butt (is that what you call it on a knife handle?) of the knife more accurate.

You want a straight blade/cutting edge to get the most out of each cut. A blade with a lot of belly...like a wave shape...stops cutting as the angle of the blade comes parallel to the angle of your cutting stroke. It just slides along at a constant depth.

The American Tanto point (the Japanese blade shape on their tanto is different) that is currently so popular is ideally suited to penetrate something thin, like the sheet metal of a car door (we've all see that demo haven't we?)...but has no cutting power until you get past the point and into the blade. The question then becomes, when we the last time you were attacked by a car door?

2. Why are assisted-opening knives generally shunned when it comes to defensive knives? Seems to me that this would be a critical trait for a defensive knife to have, because I would think being able to open a folder quickly would be very important in a defensive situation.
Because that don't usually have the retention to stay closed in your pocket. There is nothing like reaching into a pocket and discovering the sharpened edge of your knife with your thumb or web of your hand...I understand it is a self-correcting error. There are assisted opening knives that have a lock to keep this from happening...but then there goes your speed advantage.

Janich explained how to open a folder using gravity...it is about rotating the blade around the pivot point. When done correctly, it is like magic...I'm still practicing. I'm still using the hole or stud to start the blade out, but I can't see going with a two handed opening motion

My take...you don't want a whole lot of belly because slashing isn't even a very effective strategy, physiologically speaking (doesn't penetrate much, and it's much more difficult than many people make out to cut "biomechanical" targets, and the physiological efficacy of BMC is not very well confirmed medically or anecdotally). You want an "aligned" tip because stabbing/thrusting is what you do if you aren't slashing.
If you are using a knife with the intention to stop (either the arm from further attacks, or the leg from supporting your attacker) as opposed to kill (to bleed out or stop the CNS), I think you'll find that the slash is the preferred method. I've become convinced, through demonstrations during the class, that it takes very little to slash a bare arm to the bone with a 3" blade or a denim covered arm or leg enough to sever the major muscles. The slash stops your attacker faster than a stab will. because cutting major muscle groups and tendons takes away their ability to continue.

As much as I find the blade shape distasteful, I'm waiting for the Spyderco Yojimbo 2 to hit the shelves

JShirley
March 6, 2012, 11:05 AM
Ha!

I wondered if that would be the end result. Need to see if my favorite knife pusher has them in stock...:D

We can disagree about the fastest stop. Personally, I think brain shutoff is about as fast as it gets, and it's far secondary to me whether my attacker lives or dies. I just want to go home in one piece.

John

9mmepiphany
March 6, 2012, 11:15 AM
My understanding is they will be out in June.

I agree about shutting off the CNS, but it is a lot harder to get to (actually it is further in the progression)...we target what the attacker gives us..., but the main focus of the class was to not get cut and to get away.

A lot of useful stuff I wish I had known when I was working the streets. None of his stops are based on strength, but on structure

hso
March 6, 2012, 11:28 AM
I'd like to clear something up that has created an incorrect impression. I do not insist that a knife have a "straight handle" nor a "straight blade". There are too many valid styles of defense to restrict choices that way. I do advise a relatively straight blade because they're easier to sharpen, but a slight recurve is fine as well (in spite of the headaches in sharpening). I also don't insist upon a straight handle. Radical angles between blade and grip are not useful except for very specific styles (kerambit and TDI), but a saber cant is fine as is an inline grip. You have to be able to hold onto the knife when in violent use and radical grip and blade designs sacrifice that in a hammer or ice pick grip so getting too far from what supports your grip is a bad idea.

A lot of people try to build a better mouse trap and only end up with a more intereting looking one.

Michael Janich has spent more time handling and practicing with knives for self defense than most have spent thinking or talking about it. He's an outstanding trainer with solid experience to draw on. That's a great combination that anyone can benefit from.

Tang, wrt opening the folder, think flinging snot off your fingers.

JShirley
March 6, 2012, 12:20 PM
the main focus of the class was to not get cut and to get away.

Hey, I'm all for that. Unfortunately, if you're caught "inside", you have to fight your way out. Of course, I'm sure Janich covered that well. :)

I've put one deer down with a knife. Just under the jaw is instanteous. Works with firearms, too.

J

mdauben
March 6, 2012, 12:45 PM
My opinion is that most people will fail to effectively use the wave opening technique under stress because they'll have stronger "programming" to manually open the knife or "pop" the knife instead. As such they'll either fumble the wave opening or simply not use it.
I'm not totally sold on the wave either, but if I was planning to carry one I would buy not only the waved knife, but a waved trainer and get several hundred repetitions of the draw in before I even through about carrying it.

http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/spyderc/images/11trwblog.jpg

Fred Fuller
March 15, 2012, 03:26 PM
http://www.personalarmament.com/2012/02/how-to-select-a-knife-as-a-defensive-tool-with-michael-janich.html
How to select a knife as a defensive tool, with Michael Janich (Audio)

sidheshooter
March 15, 2012, 03:39 PM
I'm not totally sold on the wave either, but if I was planning to carry one I would buy not only the waved knife, but a waved trainer and get several hundred repetitions of the draw in before I even through about carrying it.

http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/spyderc/images/11trwblog.jpg

The wave strikes me as one of those things that looks extremely cool on video, and in the training hall under training hall conditions.

I bought a waved trainer (since that's all that Emerson had available) and tried to give it a fair shot, but I ended up with an unacceptable rate of half... er... half-opened deployment attempts, unless I was stock still and paying attention.

I ground the wave off so it matches my old-school production CQC-7. The devil you know, and all that. With the old-school liner lock folder, at least I know where I stand if someone is already hands-on and roughing me up: that's no time to rely upon hooking small bits of fabric for your survival, IMVHO.

We shall see how that philosophy treats me in the same Janich course that Mod 9mm took last month; my shot comes up in a few weeks.

9mmepiphany
March 15, 2012, 05:58 PM
Janich has a very definite opinion on the wave opening...but you'll have to ask him.

The story is highly amusing (which is different from factual), but it is something more for oral dissemination than for publication

sidheshooter
March 15, 2012, 10:39 PM
Heh. Roger that.

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