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tggdeer
January 24, 2012, 08:27 PM
What modifications do you recomend for improving accuracy on a remington 700 in a 3006 caliber. I am interested in accurately , harvesting whitetail deer at 500 yards. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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rcmodel
January 24, 2012, 08:31 PM
So, hows it shoot at 500 yards now??

BTW: That right there is a fur piece if you haven't tried it yet!

rc

ColtPythonElite
January 24, 2012, 08:35 PM
Generally floating the barrel, bedding the stock, and doing a trigger job are standard fare on a 700. After that, she may shoot factory ammo very well or may not at all. Handloading can do more for accuracy than anything.

Personally, I think 500 yards is stretching it a bit for a .30-06.

rcmodel
January 24, 2012, 08:40 PM
500 yard deer hunting is stretching it for most calibers.

But especially for most shooters.

rc

627PCFan
January 24, 2012, 09:17 PM
Free float the barrel. Trigger job,Get a 20 power scope and accurate laser range finder. Assemble hand loads with your bulllet of choice and if you do that and get 1/4 group at 200 with shooting sticks then thinking about stretching it:D

tggdeer
January 24, 2012, 09:21 PM
I have not purchased the 700 yet . Maybe this week end. I am trying to gather as much information as possible.

tggdeer
January 24, 2012, 09:31 PM
At 200 yards with my BAR I am grouping 3.5 inches. I have not tried any farther than that. I have looked at the ballistics on the 180 grn. silver ballistic tip by Combined Technology. It has the energy at 500 yards to take down a deer . with good shot placement. Do you think the rifle and caliber is capable, or should I consider another?

A-FIXER
January 25, 2012, 01:28 AM
I have opted for a 26'' barrel, suppressed, a free floated stock with rigid pilliars(it doesn't move at all) vortex viper scope, 165 gr hornady GMX's, a sturdy shooting mount, and shoot it alot to KNOW YOUR DRIFT AND POI's, once all this is done you you'll have all you need for shooting this distance.
But if you have never shot at 500 yrds before you will have the chance to become a very competent shooter and I wish you luck I do enjoy 800 and beyond for my shooting sport (targets not live game).

doorman
January 25, 2012, 01:46 PM
I would not take a shot at an animal at that distance personally. I think the probablity of a non-fatal wounding would be very high with the added stress to the animal of you trying to track it down.

snakeman
January 25, 2012, 02:16 PM
Get the trigger job, float the barrel, glass bed the stock, make sure the scope is perfectly level, make sure the crown is in good shape, get a redfield accurange scope or something similar of good quality. Use two piece scope bases and some good steel rings. And most importantly practice, practice, practice with the ammo you will be using. And actually practice at 500 yards. Now that you have a lot of money in the gun wouldn't it just have been a little cheaper to walk 200 yards or set up a natural ground blind and a deer feeder? I have shot game at 500 yards and it's not as easy as people make it sound.

rcmodel
January 25, 2012, 02:58 PM
Just so you know, a real good 30-06 180 grain load drops 7 feet and drifts sideways 3 1/2 feet in a 15 MPH cross wind at 500 yards!

rc

jaguarxk120
January 25, 2012, 04:57 PM
The model you want is the 700 XCR Tactical Long Range in 300 Winchester Magnum.

The rifle is already setup for long range shooting and the 300 Win. Mag. with a 200 grain Sierra 200 grain soft point has about the same energy as a 30-30 at 500 yards.

A Federal 200 grain S.P.(Sierra) 500 yards 2110 ps / 1970 foot/pounds.

243winxb
January 25, 2012, 05:00 PM
Rechamber that 06 to 300 something. :D But since you have not made a purchase (lucky you). Just buy one. :)

atblis
January 25, 2012, 05:12 PM
Sell it and buy a Tikka. :neener:

rcmodel
January 25, 2012, 05:18 PM
300 Winchester Magnum. Oh yea!

A new shooter getting kicked senseless with a .300 Mag is really gonna help him learn to shoot well enough to hit a deer at 500 yards!!

rc

243winxb
January 25, 2012, 09:58 PM
Hodgdon Youth loads for a new shooter in that 300

tggdeer
January 25, 2012, 10:29 PM
Thanks for all the info..

Clark
January 26, 2012, 01:30 AM
I have a video I took 4 months ago of my brother shooting at an antelope buck at 500 yards with a rem 700 30-06 and missing.

He used flat tailed 180 gr bullets, because the groups were a little smaller than with the boat tailed bullets.

He missed.

He had to settle for a doe, later.

I shoot boat tails, and I nail them with a 7mmRM or 270 out to 500 yards.

1911Tuner
January 26, 2012, 02:20 AM
500 yards is a pretty fanciful distance for all but the more skilled marksman. Even with a tack-driver, you've still got to judge the range accurately or use a laser range finder...which is tricky depending on the terrain without a range finder...and then you've got to dope the wind. That's the hardest part.

An old axiom comes to mind:

"The duffers worry over trajectories. The masters study the wind."

Maybe it would be better to reach for a more realistic goal.

LoonWulf
January 26, 2012, 02:24 AM
Your choice of rifle is acceptable, but as much as i love the .30-06 i do NOT consider it an acceptable 500yds cartridge in the hands of some one not well versed in distance shooting. I have NO issue with the energy delivered, I have an issue with being able to place a shot in the kill zone under real world condition your likely to encounter...every time.

Before i make any recommendations let me ask a question. Do you actually have a reason to TRY a 500yd shot? Are you just trying to cover all the bases, or are you planing a career as a deer sniper?
Either way if you care about the animals your shooting, and dont want to wound, track and possibly lose an animal, you NEED to be able to hit your targets with absolute consistency at the range you are planing to shoot. This means practice, both in reading wind, judging distance (even if you always use a range finder), and knowing YOUR ACTUAL drop and drift tables by heart (or at least haveing a damn good cheat sheet).

I would chose a flatter shooting cartridge. In fact i did, when shots MIGHT be long I carry a 7mm remington magnum. Recoil isnt much worse then the .30-06, but trajectories are quite a bit flater, and with the right loads drift is greatly reduced. Any of the fast 30 and unders help with drift and drop. The .270, .280, and 6.5x284 come to mind as lower recoil alternatives. I think the .25-06 and .243 are kinda running out of gas at that range but YMMV.
The family of WSMs, 7mm remington and the .257, 270,7mm weatherby as slightly higher recoil options.
The .300 winchester, is also an option, as are the other faster 7s and 30s, but recoil is a major factor at that point.

My personal limit is well under 500, I dont have any place to practice shooting that far, and I dont have (as of yet) a reason to shoot that far.

bracer
January 26, 2012, 08:30 AM
I live in and hunt mule deer and pronghorn in wide open country . Some times windy country. Years ago I set up a 100, 200, and 300 yards in one of my dads pastures. I reloaded 130 Gr bullets for my 270 Win rifle and then test fired the rifle at the three ranges . I would shoot in the prone position to test the ammo but would also shoot in the setting ,kneeling, and standing position using a military sling. Over the years I have shot only few head of big game over 300 yards. I have shot my 308 Norma Mag rifle at 400 yard targets and shot a pronghorn and mule deer what looked like 400 yards to me but it was over 400 yards. I hit the legs just below the brisket and then had to get closer for a killing shot. Did about the same thing shooting a cow elk with my 340 Weatherby hiting it low in the brisket. Since then I keep my shooting at big game within 300 yards.

LeonCarr
January 26, 2012, 09:11 AM
Get the Remington 700 .30-06, glass bed stock/free float barrel/3 pound trigger either done by gunsmith or aftermarket trigger. Get a good scope (Leupold or better) and good solid mounts. I would then purchase handloading equipment and work up a load following safe handloading practices with a 165-180 grain boattail type bullet offering the best combination of accuracy, velocity and terminal performance. I would pick the Nosler Ballistic Tip or Nosler Accubond myself.

After doing all that, go sight it in, get your sight settings for the longer ranges and shoot it at 100-200-300 yards before shooting at 500 yards. Make sure the place you are shooting at allows you to shoot SAFELY to 500 yards.

After all that, remember that there is a difference between shooting targets at 500 yards and shooting an ethical shot at an animal at 500 yards. Also the .30-06 IMO is a better choice than the various magnums due to much longer barrel life and much cheaper shooting. Once you become proficient shooting the various magnums at 500 yards, you will probably be replacing the already shot out barrel :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

tggdeer
January 26, 2012, 08:49 PM
Thanks for your advice and opinions. I have been an avid deer hunter for 30 years and have been reloading my own ammo for 6 years. I will attempt shooting paper at these distances, and if I can not consistently hit the target I will not hunt at this distance. But , I will admitt it looks like I have a lot of work ahead of me. Sounds like fun.

Clark
January 27, 2012, 01:29 AM
I get down prone with a swivel bipod, rear bag, wind meter, range finder, drop charts from Quickload, and turret on the elevation knob of the scope.

I practice a few days where I will hunt at 3,000 feet before the season opens.

I have been getting better every year for 4 years, but I can only hit the kill zone sized target reliably at 500 yards. I can do it sometimes at 600, but that is not good enough.

The system I have settled on for a target is big piece of cardboard on a 30 foot tall hill, held with two stakes and some tape.

http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx220/ClarkM/600yardtargetis4footpieceofcardboardon30foottallhillMontana2011.jpg

Next year I may take spiked shoes for climbing that hill.

blarby
January 27, 2012, 01:36 AM
Just so you know, a real good 30-06 180 grain load drops 7 feet and drifts sideways 3 1/2 feet in a 15 MPH cross wind at 500 yards!

How big does the Hours of Angle knob have to be to compensate for that ?

I could never conceive of a kill shot at 500 yds.

Not that it hasn't been done....just not by me.

Heck, I'd be lucky to PERCEIVE a shot at 500yds....... even if it was a deer.

How big does the Hours of Angle knob have to be to compensate for that ?

How do you sight a 7' drop correctly....shooting downhill ?

Clark
January 27, 2012, 03:08 AM
Animals that spook at 1000 or 1200 yards at noon, often can't see me sneaking up on the me in dark 1/2 hour before sunrise.

There is typically no wind then.

If I can hit a kill zone sized target every time at 500 in daylight, then a 400 yard shot is easy in dim light.

My charts and turret are in moa. With a 200 yard zero, I don't want to adjust more than 8 moa.

There are guys in competition that make big changes in the elevation, but they get a lot of practice shots to dial in.

When hunting it is a cold bore single shot, and 8 moa or 500 yards is all I can do.

The long range is very non linear. 600 yards is 10 times harder than 500 yards.

I like to sight in my rifle windage early in the day when there is no wind. I do that at 100 yards. Then I turn around and shoot from where the target was, back to where I was lying down.

But the elevation I can test at long range when there is a little wind. The bullets may drift a little but the updates I make to my elevation chart are still good.

rem22long40x
January 28, 2012, 06:34 PM
spin drift on a 180gr. with no wind and it depinds on raye of twist is about 6 in. and will drop about 7 1/2 feet depinding on alt. at 500 yards. to shoot at that distince every thing has to be perficed with your equiptment . if your scope is not mounted squer of the bore for instince you will never hit at that distence .

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