[Dionysusigma]

Must be from playing too much Quake III Arena :D
How feasible would it be to build a double-barreled SxS autoloading shotgun?

Features:
Detachable box mag like a Saiga 12, but... 2 compartments in the mag, set up side-to side, each side feeds only its repsective bore (but tube mags are fine too)
One trigger
Selector switch for Safe, Both Barrels, Alternating barrels
Pistol grip or regular stock

Would this even be legal, or would we have to wait for the AWB to end?
What would approx. price be?
And what would y'all like to see a shotgun become?

Have fun :)

[Andrew Wyatt]

I'd like to see a shotgun with the normal magtube/barrel arrangement reversed, so that the mag tube/loading port is atop the action.

[natedog]

Andrew: Sort of like the (8 gauge with 12 shot tube :rolleyes: ) shotgun from HALO? I don't know if you play video games; someone here will probably know what I'm talking about though.

[Andrew Wyatt]

exactly.

without the dayglo purple sights, of course.

[WheelMan]

Somebody (I forget who, saw it in a Shooters Bible) makes a bolt action double rifle. Two barrels simultaneously fed from two magazines by the single stroke of one bolt handle. Comes in all your favorite big game cartridges, .375 up through the .5 stuff. I believe it had four round boxes for a total of 8+2 round of rhino leveler. Deliverable 2 at a time. Quite possibly the most powerful sporting arm in the world. I think it weighed 14 pound unloaded.

Anyway the point of all that is that it's not unprecedented.

[Dave McCracken]

Sorry to bust the bubble, but....

Assuming it can be made, what in the name of The Shotgun Gods will it do that an off the shelf shotgun will not?

Purple Hi Vis sights? Sheesh.....

[Andrew Wyatt]

uuh.


I thought i specifically stated that there were to be no purple hi vis sights.

[TrapperReady]

Let me get this straight...

You WANT an option to fire both barrels simultaneously? Make sure that it also will chamber 3.5" magnums. Then, and only then, would it be the ultimate!

[Moparmike]

Assuming it can be made, what in the name of The Shotgun Gods will it do that an off the shelf shotgun will not?Dave, have you ever seen those Godzilla movies where everyone's only recourse is to scream out of synch with their mouths and get squished?


They now have another recourse. Especially when they put in an auto-sear on that box-fed 3.5in slug-shooting 8ga.:evil: :D :evil: :D And then they can scream in pain from their shoulder.:eek:

[Andrew Wyatt]

I just want a repeater that's as easy to shoot all the time as the lower barrel on an OU.

[Dave McCracken]

Maybe I haven't had enough coffee. A full auto 8 gauge double for Godzilla? No purple hi viz sights at least, that's quite a comfort.....

[Andrew Wyatt]

well, there are two different guns being discussed here.


1. a double barrel auto


2. an auto or pump with the mag tube above the barrell instead of below.

[sm]

I knew the demise of drive-in theatres, balconies in theatres, and pinball machines would lead to this...I kept you telling you folks.

I've never played one of these "games". Heck even Pinball on my 'puter ain't the same.

I grew up learning about blue and wood shotguns, and "Anatomy and Physiology"...I later took these in College and aced them. Brassiere 101 learned early, even the "tricky " lab ( SS*) exam - the front snap didn't pose a problem, Aced..err...I passed with flying colors.

I was raised right and learned well...Wake up little Suzie - wake up...

*63 Chevy SuperSport ( SS) 327 , 4bbl and Powerglide...300 horses...I have no recollection of the movie on the screen, I do...err...nevermind.:)

[Correia]

As a wannabe inventor, I'll play. :)

At one point in time somebody took a pair of Remington 1100s with extended tubes, one right hand, one left hand. And mounted them together. This was during Viet Nam, and was meant as an experimental "ambush breaker". The idea was to put as many pellets into an area as fast as possible. It weighed a ton and didn't go anywhere.

I'm afraid the first gun described in this thread would be illegal if it was capable of firing both barrels with one pull of the trigger. Firing more than one shell per trigger pull would violate the NFA, I think, but I'm not a lawyer, so I may be totally wrong.

The problem the 2 in 1 gun would have is weight and mass. A box fed semi auto shotgun weighs around 8 pounds, probably around 10 loaded with 8 round magazines. So to combine the two, even with only one stock, and one forearm (you would probably need a vertical foregrip in the middle for balance) and you are coming up on 20 pounds loaded. Now if you designed it right off the bat to be as light as possible, you could probably get it down to around 16 pounds. Still a lot of weight for a shotgun.

I imagine that it could be done, but then you have to ask why? What would be its mission? And how many would you sell?

Coming at it from a design perspective, it ain't going to be cheap to make. Right off you have two barrels, which are some the most expensive pieces to the gun. Two bolt carriers, two bolts. Probably one receiver unit, which will need to be twice as complicated to machine as a reciever that holds one unit. If you went the NOVA route you could probably get a big plastic receiver, which would be cheaper.

Have you handled a Saiga magazine? They are huge. Now put two of them together, and you are dealing with one honking big magazine. It is doable, but it is going to be one fat son of a gun.

What would it be used for? Hunting or clay games? Not a chance. My kind of competition? Probably not, it doesn't really grant any advantages over any existing guns that we have now. Home defense? Maybe. If you are planning on working from a barricaded position, size and weight don't matter, but most HD situations would be handled just as easily by a gun that would cost a bunch less, and be able to be used for other things.

Cool factor? Plinking in the desert at cans? It would rock. :) But then again, can you sell enough guns to the plinking kids to justify the thousands of dollars of R&D and machine time it would take to make this gun?

So basically you would end up with a gun, that is huge, expensive, and would probably only sell to a very small group of people.

Now on Andrew's gun. I see no reason, other than tradition why that would not work. The Russians have a gun that fires from the bottom with the tube on top, and the Neostead has tubes on top, and the barrel underneath as well.

The only thing that I would worry about is that your sighting plane will be eleveated above your bore. But then again, the bottom barrel on an O/U works just fine. :)

The only thing that would hold a gun like that back would be tradition. Would it sell? Depends on a number of factors. Cost, and what the perceived advantages are.

Purple sights? Hey if they work. :)

By the way, sm, don't knock video games until you try them. They are remarkably fun. :D I know that HALO shotgun well, won the whole game on Legendary playing solo, waiting eagerly for number 2. Hey I've got to do something when it is to cold to shoot or I'm to poor to buy ammo.

[sm]

Video?
Hey I figured out long ago how to "fix" the time on a VCR - electrical tape. That sucker does not "flash" the time. :D

Dunno, without the balconies, and drive-ins...
At the moment I'm learning "stuff"....

Always figured if Godzilla showed up I'd just outrun some folks. Punt gun might work...then again just a large building size picture of some politicans might cause them to turn tail and leave.

[smokemaker]

I was thinking you could use a pintle mount and tripod, and use it as a 'fowler. Set it up like those AAA guns the Vietnamese used against F-105's and F-4's. Synthetic receiver, or go the exotic metals route A-la S&W to save weight. Titantium and Scanadium are lightweight and very strong. Carbon-fiber wrapped barrels (two tubes and one wrap with intregal sight rib). Set it up like the russian Gsh-23 so that the energy from the first barrel firing puts the second barrel in battery. Of course, It'll cost a bushel of $100's, but if you pay enough, you can get anything built. Or con somebody into giving you a grant for research into the feasability of such a concept. With all the completely stupid or bogus things they give research grants for nowadays, it should be no problem.:banghead: And I'd be interested in the final outcome of a research study for once. :rolleyes:

[TrapperReady]

sm - I've known people to use the electrical tape trick to "fix" the check-engine light in their cars. :uhoh:

As far as the described shotguns go...

How about belt-fed and tripod-mounted? Could be used strictly for firing your FPF... or dove hunting in Argentina.

[sm]

TR vehicles get fixed , that's "different", VCR's are well...VCR's . :)

Nope if we gonna do it , do it right. I want a SXS punt gun if the big creepy monster approaches. Forget sights "when the muzzle covers the target". After the firing of that thing I'm still gonna haul butt. Always a delay with the pic/sound...figure I can gain some distance. :)

" Yep Steve fired that thing, then all we saw was the soles of his tennis shoes as he beat feet...that-a-way". :p