458 Socom for deer hunting (Indiana)


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EMB145
January 26, 2012, 08:17 AM
I have been using a combination of rifled shotguns for 15+ years deer hunting in Indiana.
Several years ago we legalized certain cartridges for a rifle. Since then I have been trying .44 lever action rifle but have recently donnated it to my old man!

I am considering an AR15 - 458 Socom to replace. It appears that this is a legal deer cartridge in Indiana. Anyone using this? Any thoughts? Recommendations?

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repmurcs
January 26, 2012, 09:48 AM
I'm in the same boat --- Mine has been on order now for 16 days - 3 hours - 10 minutes.... Just waiting for delivery - I'm thinking PIGS not deer though.
From my understandings knock down power of a Peterbilt yet light enough to hike thru the woods for hours and enough acces. available to trick out the Free world. ONly downfall is the price of ammo - but hell gas ain't much better. Rock River Arms was my choice -- a turn key killer

627PCFan
January 26, 2012, 10:43 AM
Try here

http://www.indianashooter.com/wiki-threads/2328-458-socom-general-information-thread.html

303tom
January 26, 2012, 11:26 AM
Why not save some money & use a .30-30 Win..........

roadchoad
January 26, 2012, 11:43 AM
.30-30 is not legal in Indiana.

roadchoad
January 26, 2012, 11:48 AM
"Rifles with cartridges that fire a bullet of .357-inch diameter or larger; have a
minimum case length of 1.16 inches; and
have a maximum case length of 1.625 inches
are legal to use only during the deer firearm
season. Some cartridges legal for deer
hunting include the .357 Magnum, .38-.40
Winchester, .41 Magnum, .41 Special, .44
Magnum, .44 Special, .44-.40 Winchester,
.45 Colt, .454 Casull, .458 SOCOM, .475
Linebaugh, .480 Ruger, .50 Action Express,
and .500 S&W. "

Roan
January 26, 2012, 11:49 AM
I recently built a .458 SOCOM AR. It came together very nicely and I've thoroughly enjoyed firing it. The trajectory is very, very sharp, making it best for shots within 200 yards. The only problem I've had is some jamming with brand new, well constructed magazines. Best mags are well-used, cheap magazines.

Recoil isn't terrible. It's very heavy recoil, but over a longer period of time so it's more a push than a kick.

Upper is from Rock River Arms and is of high quality.

I'm not a hunter, so I can't talk about it's effect on the deer, but keep in mind that the round is the modern equivalent of .45-70 Govt.

Kachok
January 26, 2012, 12:00 PM
458 Socom is an awsome round for hunting up close, a bit of an overkill for deer mind you but awsome none the less. That thing packs some major thump into a little AR package.

303tom
January 26, 2012, 02:26 PM
And the .458 Socom is, thats weird. Why ?

Flintknapper
January 26, 2012, 02:30 PM
Plenty of 458 info here:

http://458socomforums.com/

MrCleanOK
January 26, 2012, 02:47 PM
And the .458 Socom is, thats weird. Why ?

Caliber and cartridge length restrictions intended to limit rifles to handgun cartridges. .458 Socom must be within limits.

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jhnrckr
January 26, 2012, 03:11 PM
can you hunt with a semi auto rifle in IN?

Roan
January 26, 2012, 05:49 PM
You can hunt with a Semi-Auto rifle in IN if the weapon is nominally chambered in a pistol round. However, with how they defined 'pistol round', the .458 SOCOM applies.

Kachok
January 26, 2012, 06:40 PM
Much as I like the SOCOM I would go with a 454 or 500 S&W lever gun :) Yeah sure they are an overkill on deer but talk about some THUMP.

Eb1
January 26, 2012, 09:13 PM
I think the .458 SOCOM is on par with a 454 or 500. You can get jacketed bullets up to 600 grains for the SOCOM round.

HKGuns
January 26, 2012, 09:17 PM
.30-30 is not legal in Indiana.

Now "that" is ridiculous. There certainly are some squirrely hunting regulations in some States.

303tom
January 26, 2012, 10:59 PM
Now "that" is ridiculous. There certainly are some squirrely hunting regulations in some States.
I know of none here in Missouri............

Txhillbilly
January 26, 2012, 11:56 PM
If you want a 458 SOCOM,you'll love the caliber,but you'll need to load your own ammo unless you have really deep pockets.It's not cheap to shoot,factory ammo will run around $60 a box,and even loading your own will be around $1 a round to begin with.
There is starting to be a good number of load info on the net,but for some bullets,you just have to learn on your own.As usual,start with low powder charges,and work your way up.
Starline is the only supplier of brass,but there are several online dealers that offer it.
SBR offers factory ammo,but they will reach hard for your wallet with their ammo.

I have several loads worked up that shoot moa or better at 100yds using 300,325,and 405gr bullets.
Recoil using the 300-325gr bullets is really mild,but the 405gr will let you know they are there after you spend a day testing loads.
Most loads chrono out from 1700-2000fps with my loads.

Standard GI type steel/aluminum mags work best,Pmags work good with the 300-325gr bullets also.
I cut a half-moon in my GI style mags,I was having problems with the last round hitting the front of the mag and damaging the nose of the bullet.

I'm in the process of building a 458 SOCOM bolt action rifle,and will be using a Savage action,and McGowen barrel.If it's half as fun to shoot as the RRA,I'll be happy!

http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af113/1Txhillbilly/458%20SOCOM/005-15.jpg

Kachok
January 27, 2012, 02:42 AM
I think the .458 SOCOM is on par with a 454 or 500. You can get jacketed bullets up to 600 grains for the SOCOM round.
True but I can get 454 and 500 brass and ammo alot easier then 458 SOCOM.

repmurcs
January 27, 2012, 10:07 AM
I'm sticking w/ my 458 - looked at the Bewulf -- not the best for me. LONG LIVE THE SOCOM

brnmuenchow
January 27, 2012, 10:40 AM
Now "that" is ridiculous. There certainly are some squirrely hunting regulations in some States.
That's why I am glad my family left Germany and settled in Texas back 1891, and I have NO desire to ever leave! :)

HOOfan_1
January 27, 2012, 10:45 AM
I know of none here in Missouri............

IIRC, buckshot is illegal for deer hunting in Missouri.
In most of the counties I hunt in Virginia, buckshot is my only option for a gun. They don't allow rifles, pistols or shotgun slugs.

Most of these laws are so squirrely because they are made up by the Nancy Pelosi types who try to regulate things they don't even have a clue about.

Danco411
January 27, 2012, 04:43 PM
I recently finished my SOCOM build. It's a heck of a rifle. I also load my own which makes it more fun. Great rifle for deep Michigan woods Whitetail.

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r389/danco411/6df48a3b.jpg

BoilerUP
January 31, 2012, 09:06 PM
I know you just wanna have the biggest, baddest AR in town but might I humbly recommend a 44 Mag or even 500 S&W rifle barrel (with a good muzzle brake) for one of those Encores you have rusting away on the shelf? :neener:

mph45
February 1, 2012, 12:50 PM
I am interested in the 458, but I am having difficulty finding the barrel to build around. Maybe you who have built them could chime in, please?

Txhillbilly
February 1, 2012, 11:15 PM
I am interested in the 458, but I am having difficulty finding the barrel to build around. Maybe you who have built them could chime in, please?
I'm getting a barrel from McGowen for the bolt action 458 SOCOM that I'm going to build.I know there are several guy's that have built them,but getting the round to feed reliable might be a little challenging with some bolt action magazines.
I've tested the cartridges in my Savage 10FCP with a factory drop magazine,and it doesn't work at all.But they do feed pretty good with my Savage 12 with a blind magazine,but the feed lips will need a little bending.These are both center feed 308 magazines.
I tried them in my Savage 12 223 with staggered feed blind mag,and the cartridges just pop out,and if the feed lips were adjusted,the rounds probably wont feed by the looks of it.
I wanted to put a 10rd drop mag bottom metal kit on this new rifle,but will probably just stick with the blind mag setup,and be stuck with having a 3 rd capacity-2 in the mag,and 1 in the pipe.

EMB145
February 8, 2012, 04:19 PM
what about 450 Bushmaster. With 2012 rules of increase case length it comes into play. Any thoughts?

kludge
February 8, 2012, 04:56 PM
.450 Bushy is legal for 2012.

And you can use cheaper pistol bullets (like the 300gr XTP-Mag) for reloading. But the factory load is the a pointy nose bullet from Hornady.

I built a .358 WSSM on a Savage 11 WSM donor rifle. .358's built on a shortened WSM will be coming soon too.

The .358 WSSM duplicates .358 Winchester handloads (same exact case capacity). I'm exceeding factory 200gr Winchester Silvertip ammo (I'm getting 2525 fps with w/ 200gr Interlock).

The new .358 WSM 1.8" cartridges will be meeting or exceeding the .35 Whelen and the .350 Rem Mag. One in particular (the .358 Grant 1.8") is already exceeding the .35 Whelen, and it's pushing 225gr bullets out the nozzle at the same speed as the .338 Win Mag.

The .358 WSSM is plenty for me. Muzzle energy and recoil matches the .30-06.

And they shoot a lot flatter than the .458 SOCOM or the .450 Bushmaster.

EMB145
February 8, 2012, 05:16 PM
thanks. I am looking at the 450 Bush for a light, "carbine like" AR deer gun.

I have traditionally used shotgun, then 44 lever action ruger, just looking for something with more range than 44 and significantly ighter than my 1187.

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