Are old Marlin 60 .22's = to new Marlin 60's?


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xmanpike
January 27, 2012, 03:57 AM
I'm considering buying one. Afew friends have had them and they have all shot superb. I'm curious if the new builds are as good as the old. I noticed right off that my friends' older ones hold 17+1 I think and the new ones are 14+1. Any other differences?

Thanks

MC

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spleify
January 27, 2012, 04:44 AM
Cheaper wood on the newer ones. I think my old one has a nice walnut stock, and I think the newer ones have birch

fallout mike
January 27, 2012, 12:54 PM
I hear that the older ones are better. I have, a new one. No issues with it.

courtgreene
January 27, 2012, 03:39 PM
The older ones have metal at pretty much every conceivable place where the newer ones have plastic. The exception to that is the follower (and I think a metal follower would be a detriment in this case). I prefer the older models with the exception that I wish they had last shot bolt hold open. Those extra shots just do it for me. Both models are great, though.

dak0ta
January 27, 2012, 03:51 PM
What parts are plastics? And what year were they phased in?

fpgt72
January 27, 2012, 03:51 PM
There is just enough differences to make them different :)

I know that the tubes are different....I need a new mag tube follower....new ones $20...old one $60+

Mountainman1888
January 27, 2012, 04:06 PM
I dont know what the problem is but I have ALWAYS gotten double feeds in mine. Tried several different types of ammo to no avail. Very unreliable

CZguy
January 27, 2012, 04:29 PM
I have a preference for the model 60s built in 85-86 that have the long magazine tube, bolt release lever on the bottom, and bolt hold open on the last shot.

I own three now and find them at pawn shops this time of year marked $120-110.00 but found that after negotiating awhile I can get them for around $60.00 out the door. (cash deal only)

Guns in pawn shops have never been cleaned usually, so a good cleaning is usually called for. Many feeding or jamming problems can be cured in these rifles by a thorough cleaning.

Hanzo581
January 27, 2012, 04:40 PM
I bought mine new a year ago, it has been great and reliable with all the cheap ammo I can throw at it.....with the exception of learning the hard way to take my time during reassembly it has been flawless. That recoil spring is a bear to get back in properly if you aren't gentle with it....

mgmorden
January 27, 2012, 04:54 PM
Cheaper wood on the newer ones. I think my old one has a nice walnut stock, and I think the newer ones have birch

Don't know if they've now reverted to birch, but mine that is ~5-6 years old is laminate. It's the stainless bull-barrel version. I actually FAR prefer it to my 10/22.

Marlin60Man
January 27, 2012, 08:52 PM
CJ 74,

I thought mine was a laminate as well, but a friend of mine who has much more experience working with wood says it's just straight birch. Mine is a very recent production from the Mayfield, KY plant. In any case, he swore up and down it was real wood because you could see the end-grain at the front of the stock.


Anyway I've had a couple of issues with the new one I had, but mostly just comes down to the ejector wire. The LSHO lever did break, not really sure why... But I sent it out for warranty and it seems good now.

The older ones are better built... Thicker metal used on the frame assembly, and the contours and wood work on the stock is nicer. I think the way you disassemble the new ones is a lot more convenient though. The new ones you just take two screws out, and then you can remove the action by pushing out the pin that secures it--the older ones, the action is secured by screws.

In any case both guns perform equally well. I like the LSHO feature, but having the extra shots is nice too. I don't really see the big deal about plastic parts, but the trigger guard is not really flimsy or anything from what I've seen--also maybe it's just from the wear on the older one, but I felt like there was less "slop" in the trigger pull of the new one.

They also updgraded the feed-throat design from the old ones. The older ones are two-pieces and can start coming apart after a few thousand rounds--from what I've heard. Mine is pre-owned from 1976 and has the two-piece feed throat, and I don't notice anything like that--no idea how many shots were taken through it before I got it though

The old ones are still a pretty sweet deal because you can get them so cheap, but they're strictly DIY affairs and you might have to spend money to replace parts. New ones you get a 5 year warranty. Otherwise I'd say they're basically the same in terms of how well they shoot.

Ignition Override
January 27, 2012, 11:09 PM
The banged up, very old 60 which I bought misfeeds about every third round, and that was After the gun smith replaced a few parts.

What a shame:(, always wanted a good semi-auto .22.

Marlin60Man
January 27, 2012, 11:28 PM
Did you try ammunition and all that stuff? What parts did he say he replaced? Not to doubt the competency of your smith, but I haven't seen many cases where someone had a 60 that wouldn't shoot and could not get it working. With feed problems, it's probably the feed-throat, the follower, or the ejector wire. Hope you get it working...

mshootnit
January 27, 2012, 11:33 PM
those old marlin 995's were a nice carbine

Savage Shooter
January 28, 2012, 12:02 AM
I prefer my old model glenfield 60 to my buddys new model 60. mine holds 18+1 in the chamber. I believe it's more accurate to, but that could be me being a better shot i realize.

CZguy
January 28, 2012, 12:14 AM
With feed problems, it's probably the feed-throat, the follower, or the ejector wire. Hope you get it working...

Plus one. No need for a gun smith.

courtgreene
January 28, 2012, 12:27 AM
assembly posts/screws and trigger guards. Those are the parts to which I referred earlier. By the way, those who spoke above are correct, it's not THAT different. But to some it matters.

Ignition Override
January 28, 2012, 01:10 AM
Marlin60Man: No sweat-I don't take any questions, critiques etc personally.
Life is too short.

The main area gun smith is very experienced and a spring was replaced, but I don't have a list of the other parts. Luckily, both the gun and repair costs total only about $120 or so.

I should consider giving a much newer Marlin 60 a chance.
The new Tech Sight on the SKS makes that rifle so much more fun (than before) that options for another .22 never occur to me.

Geno
January 28, 2012, 10:24 AM
My BIL had a M60 back in the late 60s. We shot hundreds of rounds. From time-to-time it would fail to feed. I bought a new M60 about 1 year or so back. The only failures I have had with it were firing either target ammo, or Remington Thunderbolts. I blame the Thunderbolts, because they failed to fire. Ejecting these failed rounds was some work. From the few times I had this new one up to the farm, the problems, IMO, were ammunition-related.

Geno

Carl N. Brown
January 28, 2012, 10:42 AM
Comparing my older 1960s Marlin Glenfield 99G (precursor of the Model 60 and virtually identical to the early Model 60) and my son's newer 1990s Model 60 showed a lot of internal differences in the feedthroat/ejector. I also noticed that the newer action has clearances that allow fouling to be pushed out of the way as the bolt moves, whereas the earlier models would need cleaning much more frequently as there was no place for fouling to go.

I have not seen any Model 60s made since the move from Marlin factory CT to Remington.

clamman
January 28, 2012, 12:01 PM
I bought the 50th anniversary last year and like it, especially the walnut stock.

courtgreene
January 28, 2012, 02:16 PM
CJ_74. The rifle I was looking at with the plastic was from 2002 if it was made the year it was purchased. I assume these don't sit too long on a shelf before walmart unloads them. It was my brother's, he was arrested, I sold all his rifles... so I can't look at it now. I just remember it from taking it apart to clean it/fix everything he screwed up on it last year before I sold it.
The 1971 Model sixty that sits one floor above me in my gun cabinet most assuredly has a metal trigger guard. I don't know what TYPE of metal... but it's not any type of metal commonly known as plastic.
I don't know why you're worked up about it... seems like a trivial thing to me.

dak0ta
January 28, 2012, 04:55 PM
Just use a magnet and that'll let you know.

CZguy
January 28, 2012, 11:36 PM
Maybe I can shed some light on this. I own a Marlin Glenfield that is just like the Marlin 60 but has an even cheaper wood stock (with a squirrel pressed into the grip area) that has plastic screws that hold the action together (front and rear) I don't know what year of production it is, but in looks pretty new.

It's not really a big deal, there isn't much stress there and they work just fine.

courtgreene
January 29, 2012, 02:07 AM
http://www.urban-armory.com/diagrams/marlin60.htm
cj_74 Please see part number 1. I didn't figure qualifying terms taken directly from parts lists was necessary, but as you've pointed out, I'm clearly not as intelligent as you must be. No one is.
here's another link... I'm so glad midway chose to adopt my made up terminology for the products they keep in stock.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/640605/marlin-assembly-post-marlin-60-60c-60ssk-60ss-60sb-795-795ss-7000-70pss
Look, this is dumb. I don't like it when people argue over crap like this, so if you think I'm wrong fine. I can be wrong. I'm not going to get into an argument over something this unnecessary. I started to not post those sites, because I don't want to escalate the silliness, but I don't want others to call up a store one day and ask for a "thingy" because they are confused over the name of this particular item. Also, you literally called for me to do so.
To the OP. Yes, they are pretty much equal. There are differences... or maybe not. I'm obviously too dumb to tell.
CZguy, thanks but if you saw plastic you must also be wrong. Sorry man.

Carl N. Brown
January 29, 2012, 02:21 AM
^ I understand both your frustrations because at one time or the other, one issue or the other, I have been in both your positions. Peace.

I have had 5 model 60s over the years and one had "takedown screws"* (that sercure the action to the stock) at least one of which was a nylon type material; I ordered a metal replacement from Marlin's service department.

I have also revived two Marlin 60s by replacing the feed throat (the chromplated aluminum block): not a task for the faint of heart.

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*Numrich Arms Gun Parts Corp catalog description.

CZguy
January 29, 2012, 07:52 AM
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong.

courtgreene
January 29, 2012, 10:03 AM
I think we can all agree that this little exchange has run its course.

303tom
January 29, 2012, 10:22 AM
I don`t know about one being better than the other, because I don`t see it, but here is the difference between the 14+1 & the 17+1

courtgreene
January 29, 2012, 08:49 PM
see post #33

dak0ta
January 29, 2012, 09:41 PM
Does the 795 use any plastic internal parts besides the buffer, trigger guard?

CZguy
January 30, 2012, 12:57 AM
Quote:
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong.

Who admitted they were wrong? I certainly didn't.

Bingo..............we have a winner.

Davek1977
January 30, 2012, 07:32 AM
Ahhh.... the classic "argument for argument's sake" again. What would the internet be without it?

how to start an argument of the internet
1. State opinion (or even what you believe to be fact for that matter)
2. wait

303tom
January 30, 2012, 11:44 AM
Ahhh.... the classic "argument for argument's sake" again. What would the internet be without it?

how to start an argument of the internet
1. State opinion (or even what you believe to be fact for that matter)
2. wait
You got that right...............

FlyinBryan
February 1, 2012, 12:02 AM
just reading through the thread

it appears that at some point in time, the trigger gaurds were made of some kind of metal.

at some point in time, specifically 2002 and possibly other years, screws were plastic.

at some point in time the assembly post was plastic.

the op should take this info and inspect the rifle he mentioned and if he can verify whether it has them, and tolerate them if it does, should be a great help.

Owen Sparks
February 1, 2012, 12:26 AM
I won one as a door prize at a gun show fifteen years ago. It would not fire more than three or four shots without a malfunction. I stuck it in a closet and basically forgot about it until a couple of years ago. I called Marlin and talked to a tech who asked me if I had a Dremmel tool. I said I did. He told me to try polishing the feed ramp and see if that fixed it. I did and it runs just fine now. These rifles are very simple and easy to work on. My wife now has one also.

xmanpike
February 1, 2012, 02:26 AM
I appreciate all of your help. Didn't mean to rustle feathers here. I have found an old friend who has two 1990ish Model 60's he got for $20 each when Kmart or Target stopped selling guns. He has agreed to sell me one. We are trying to figure out a fair price. They are both in excellent condition. Would $120 be fair? Neither of them have probably been shot more than a few hundred times and were cleaned oiled and put in the back of a safe thereafter.

tahunua001
February 1, 2012, 03:37 AM
ok first of all I want to apologize because my ADHD is too bad to convince myself to read the whole thread. with that said...

my very first gun was an old model 60 with the 17 round tube and curved charging handle rather than the round ones that the new ones come with. this rifle was incredibly heavily used(I think the previous owner might have been a really bad poacher). the rear sight post was completely shot(it would not hold zero for more than 2 consecutive shots). it was very very picky about ammo and it was in rough shape physically. I eventually gave it back to my older brother and bought myself a 10/22 and have kinda been kicking myself ever since. with all it's problems, the marlin is by far the most accurate, stable and well balanced 22s I've ever shot.

when I went home on leave for Christmas this year my little brother got a very familiar looking present from my older brother. he had taken that marlin, re-blued the metal, refinished the stock, replaced the sights with flip downs and replaced the recoil springs and gave it to my little brother. my little brother allowed me to take the first shot and without even needing to sight in I was able to hit a soda can sized gong at 65 yards(a real feat for me with iron sights). I have little experience with new m60s but I heavily recommend the old models. they are fun as heck and you'll never find another factory gun that can shoot empty 22 casings at 50 yards.

Sam1911
February 1, 2012, 08:48 AM
Sheesh...another .22 rifles thread goes into the toilet.

You know, when you get to the point of arguing over who's wrong, who admitted to being wrong, and how big a man is the guy who didn't admit he was wrong, or did, or might have... just stop.

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