Optic option for 300 Blackout


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Danco411
January 28, 2012, 09:28 AM
I just put together a 300 Blackout AR for my 14 year old son to hunt with. He wanted a light weight light recoil rifle with range to 300 yards. This seemed like a good option. His shots will likely range from 50-200 yards. I want to spend under $250. I did pick up a Nikon .223 1x4 at Dunhams with my 30% off coupon for $190 but it has the dead on reticle which he does not like at all. The reticle is too fat! So I'll be taking that back. It has nice glass though.

He also thinks the 1x4 is not powerfully enough. I beg to differ but it's his rifle. The range on the Blackout is not great beyond 300 so I understand so what would be a good power...3x9, 3.5 x10? Is 4x12 too much limiting short range target acquisition?

Thoughts please?

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Nikdfish
January 28, 2012, 09:53 AM
Personally, I think you were on the money with a 1x4. What about a 2(or2.5)x7? Unless he is going after ground squirrels, I don't see the call for high powered glass at the mentioned ranges...

Nick

Well Now
January 28, 2012, 10:49 AM
Look at the Vortex line of scopes. Good quality and reasonably priced.

rsilvers
January 28, 2012, 12:43 PM
This is not what you are looking for, but I wanted to show others:

http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=128&t=78401&start=25

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9858/mark4155x20frontfocalpl.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1502/300blackoutreticlefinal.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/300aacblackout

Tirod
January 28, 2012, 02:22 PM
Show that one to the boy, and if the supersonic looks optimistic to some of us, don't sweat it, just talk it up. A 900m gun makes it just as good as the .308, right? :)

marksman13
January 28, 2012, 11:15 PM
rsilvers, any idea what that scope is going to cost?

rjrivero
January 28, 2012, 11:36 PM
It's already available. The "street price" is about $1350 give or take. LINK HERE. (http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item/738661_leupold_scopes_leu_113594_mk4mrt_m2_15x20_300bo_cmr.aspx?&w=pq%2bjdyolrqe%3d)

HOOSIER70
January 28, 2012, 11:42 PM
Very nice scope bit pricey for me

LiquidTension
January 28, 2012, 11:59 PM
Looks like the Mk4 MR/T runs about $600. Not sure about the particular reticle.

Z-Michigan
January 29, 2012, 12:14 AM
I'm assuming he's looking to hunt deer or other medium game. For that, I think a 2-7x scope would be perfect. 3-9x would be a little too much magnification and anything higher would be a lot too much. I actually have a 300BLK upper set up with a Burris 2-7x35 with deer hunting as a primary purpose. Haven't tested it much yet but so far, so good. A 1-4x was probably a good choice but I agree that the PBC reticle on the Nikon M-223 1-4x isn't ideal.

Matthew Courtney
January 29, 2012, 12:24 AM
1.5-5 or 2-7.

rsilvers
January 29, 2012, 08:44 AM
This is front focal plane.

The MR/T is rear focal plane.

helotaxi
January 29, 2012, 09:38 AM
Well clearly that's worth double the price?? Leupold never ceases to amaze me with what they think their product is worth. Of course there are the mob of fanboys that pay it and "justify it".

dprice3844444
January 29, 2012, 09:46 AM
cross rference that with the leatherwoood/hi-luxoptics.com toby bridges scopes.they might be compatible.way less money.call hi-lux optics and check with them.natchez shooters supply selld them also.the are bullet drop compemsated for black powder and45/70.tradjectory may be similar.

68wj
January 29, 2012, 10:31 AM
Just in case anyone thought that current ballistic reticles weren't busy enough, we have a new standard. :cool:

OP, I currently have a Leupold 2-7 on my 6.8 SPC AR. It would probably work very well for your application too.

helotaxi
January 29, 2012, 11:00 AM
That one's not that busy actually. Looked a Horus reticule? The biggest problem with that optic is that it fills such a tiny niche it forced Leupold to charge an exorbitant price to recoup their tooling costs since they aren't going to sell many of them. Of course, by putting the price in the stratosphere, they're going to sell even fewer.

marksman13
January 29, 2012, 01:36 PM
I wouldn't drop that kind of coin for the Leupold. I'd rather go with a Nikon Buckmaster with BDC reticle and figure out where the hold values would be for 300BLK.

All of you that suggest that anything over 2-7 is too much magnification for deer hunting amaze me. Can you get by with 2-7? Sure. But if I can go with a 3-9 or greater why not? I like to know that the buck I'm about to shoot is worth mounting or if I should let him walk.

mgregg85
January 29, 2012, 01:44 PM
I'd go 1-4x like you said but if he really wants more magnification then why not a Redfield Revolution 2-7x33?

http://www.amazon.com/Redfield-67080-Revolution-2-7x33mm-4-Plex/dp/B0032KJLEQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1327858986&sr=8-2

$165 shipped and it's a great scope.

Z-Michigan
January 29, 2012, 03:32 PM
All of you that suggest that anything over 2-7 is too much magnification for deer hunting amaze me. Can you get by with 2-7? Sure. But if I can go with a 3-9 or greater why not? I like to know that the buck I'm about to shoot is worth mounting or if I should let him walk.

I like to know if the deer I'm about to shoot is actually the deer I intended to shoot or a different one standing 5 feet away from it because I can't see the intended deer due to the tiny FOV in my excessively high magnification scope... :)

Also, once upon a time I thought I was told that I wasn't supposed to point a gun at anything unless I was definitely going to shoot it. Binocs can also identify deer...

marksman13
January 29, 2012, 03:41 PM
You can save that condescending tone, Z. If you want me to believe that you've never put a scope on a deer to decide if it was a shooter or not then you are nuts. Every rifle I own has a safety and I've got enough freaking sense to keep my finger off the trigger until I'm ready to shoot. If you don't then keep using your binos.

highlander 5
January 29, 2012, 04:05 PM
I put a Nikon 3-9 on my 300 BLK but I admit my eyesight is not all that great.

LiquidTension
January 29, 2012, 06:42 PM
It was worth considering when I thought it was $600. At more than double I think I'll have to pass. Is that reticle going to show up in any other glass any time soon?

helotaxi
January 29, 2012, 09:16 PM
I like to know that the buck I'm about to shoot is worth mounting or if I should let him walk.Carry binoculars.

Strykervet
January 29, 2012, 09:22 PM
rsilvers, BIG THANKS! I'm building one and using the SDN6, I wanna see if it is quieter than the MP5SD like they say. Anyway, you kind of solved any optic issues if I ever end up getting the Satern barrel.

madcratebuilder
January 30, 2012, 09:20 AM
I just put together a 300 Blackout AR for my 14 year old son to hunt with. He wanted a light weight light recoil rifle with range to 300 yards. This seemed like a good option. His shots will likely range from 50-200 yards. I want to spend under $250. I did pick up a Nikon .223 1x4 at Dunhams with my 30% off coupon for $190 but it has the dead on reticle which he does not like at all. The reticle is too fat! So I'll be taking that back. It has nice glass though.

He also thinks the 1x4 is not powerfully enough. I beg to differ but it's his rifle. The range on the Blackout is not great beyond 300 so I understand so what would be a good power...3x9, 3.5 x10? Is 4x12 too much limiting short range target acquisition?

Thoughts please?
Primary Arms has a nice little 1-4X24 with a 30mm tube. It has a fine cross hair. I've looked through a friends and it's as clear as my Nikon M223.

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_14X_24_Illuminated_Scope_p/pa%201-4x.htm

The Vortex Viper HS 2.5-10x44 Dead-Hold BDC reticle is a little over budget but it fulfills the request for more magnification and a fine cross hair. I may put this scope on a 18" DM rifle I'm building. I've shot about a half dozen different Vortex scopes in the mid price range ($400+/-) and all have very clear glass and positive click turrets. I don't think you can find better in the same price range.

https://www.primaryarms.com/Vortex_Viper_HS_2_510x44_DeadHold_BDC_Retic_p/rif-vt-vhs-4303.htm

Primary Arms has a first class reputation for outstanding customer service, if needed. The "house brand" while off shore products, seem to have better fit, finish and performance than other scopes in the same price area.

Sorry, but I can't recommend any $1400 scopes for you today.:banghead:

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