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thomis
January 28, 2012, 10:06 AM
I'm going to use the scope ring alignment/ lapping rod tool to mount a scope to a new Model 70. Never used one before. Should I locktite (blue, i know) the base screws and bottom rings first, before using the lapping tool or vice versa? And do the threads need 24 hours to dry after applying the locktite?
Thanks

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TurtlePhish
January 28, 2012, 10:11 AM
I don't think you need to loctite them for lapping, as long as you tighten them enough that they won't move. Definitely loctite when you actually mount the scope, though. And the drying/curing time depends on the brand/color, just look on the tube. It's a good idea to let it fully cure.

Bill_Rights
January 30, 2012, 01:15 AM
I'm going to use the scope ring alignment/ lapping rod tool Which tool model and brand? (Probably won't matter for your procedural question...)

thomis
January 31, 2012, 04:24 PM
well, i was going to use the possum holler kit from midway but it's on backorder until February 22nd. I don't want to wait that long and the next cheapest kit is $55 PLUS SHIPPING

I'm re-thinking the idea. How important is this anyway? I've never done it before but you never know.

rcmodel
January 31, 2012, 04:30 PM
Go to a local steel fabricator or welding shop and buy a 12" length of 1" cold-rolled steel bar.
Take a set of dial calipers with you, or have them measure it and make sure it is exactly 1.000"..

Then stop by an auto parts store and pick up a little can of Clover fine valve gringing compound.

You are good to go for WAY less then $55 + shipping!

Use Lock-Tight on the base screws.
Then mount & lap the rings.
Then mount the scope.

You don't need lock-tight on the ring screws.

rc

Bill_Rights
February 1, 2012, 01:31 AM
Thomis,

Ah, OK, I checked out the lapping kits you were talking about. Uhhh, I don't know. Seems like a lot of fussing around, unless you know you really need this extra step. The ad copy at the Wheeler Engineering product made it sound like you only need this lapping for the heaviest recoiling rifles. To keep rings from slipping on the scope barrel. And even then, it won't keep the ring-bases or the rail from slipping on its/their attachment points on the receiver. If your scope mount is a Picatinny or Weaver rail, some folks bed the rail, which is some work but basically free and does provide a stable surface for the rail. If you're just shooting large animals at < 200 yds, and the rifle is otherwise decent, I advise to spend your money else-wise.

I honestly don't think a properly manufactured and torqued ring/clamp at the scope tube will slip. Spend some money on a torque wrench or torque screwdriver, maybe.

Also, for my rifles that can have a Pic or Weaver rail, I put one on and use it. They now make integral two-ring mounts for bolt guns (: http://www.gggaz.com/accucam-quick-detach-base-with-integral-30mm-rings-for-bolt-guns.html), like this:
http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww25/Bill_Rights/GGG_AccIntegRingMntBltGuns.jpg
If the two rings are not perfectly lined up at the factory, send the unit back for replacement. Either that or your scope tube is already bent.

I have a couple of these GG&G Accucam units. I can swap either of two scopes on a rifle, and the previous zero does not shift. Well, I can't tell, shooting normal groups. I'd have to shoot super-careful groups and average several to tell if anything has shifted or not re-seated exactly. I think any re-attachment shift is well within the unavoidable thermal expansion/contraction shifting, wear/tear/bumping shifting of a permanently mounted scope.

I think it will be possible to use the same scope on two different rifles. Just dial in a pre-zeroed offset of elevation and windage for each rifle. I haven't tried it yet, for lack of range time, but I believe these modern quick-detach integral bases will be good enough to permit it.

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