What's the lowest-recoil 9mm pistol?


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slicer22
January 28, 2012, 02:42 PM
Seeking feedback/ideas on a good 9mm or better (maybe a .40, for example) carry pistol, with the lowest recoil, that could fit in a belt holster.

I have shot a polymer 9mm, the KelTec PF-9 but it has quite a bit of kick for my taste. I got to shoot a 1911-style Desert Eagle .45, a heavy pistol but the felt recoil is amazingly low. Willing to go up in size and weight from my notorious little Taurus .22, however a full size 1911 for me would be a bit much---something in a compact or small service pistol preferred. Wondering if others have any good experiences or recommendations on a gun in this grade.

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Michael R.
January 28, 2012, 02:43 PM
ruger p95

MedWheeler
January 28, 2012, 02:47 PM
If it's small and polymer-framed, it will have more perceived recoil. Bigger and heavier is the way to reduce it. Full-sized, steel-framed service weapons will be far more pleasant, but are difficult to carry in a concealed manner for some folks. Your best bet for an all-around carry gun in 9mm will likely be a steel-framed, single-stack (magazine) gun in the 24+ ounce empty-weight category. There are offerings by Kahr, SIG, CZ, Beretta, and Bersa. Others will quickly drop in with their good suggestions as well.

mblaydes1
January 28, 2012, 02:52 PM
You might want to try the Beretta PX4-Storm, With its rotating bolt design the felt recoil is light and the weapon falls back on target nicely. The only drawback as in any other rotating bolt assemblies it must stay clean. I find every 200 rds. is a must for this firearm. I went 600 with it and starting getting jams every other round, a quick cleaning and i had no more malfunctions. I recently upgraded to the HK USP and am amazed at the durability accuracy and speed at which it cycles, though spendy new it is by far my first choice.. Hope this helps..

biohazurd
January 28, 2012, 02:52 PM
Im gonna have to say the softest recoiling 9mm would be some sort of steel frame double stack firearm. Like the CZ75. That is a low recoiling 9 IMO.

coolluke01
January 28, 2012, 02:57 PM
The best way to get lower felt recoil is to get a heavier gun or a stronger recoil spring.
There is a difference between rearward recoil and muzzle flip. Glocks have a lower bore axis so they have less muzzle flip but may have more felt rearward recoil. The new Gen 4's do have a double recoil spring so that helps.

A rubber grip will absorb more recoil.

It really depends on what you want.
If you don't want felt rearward recoil go with a heavy gun.
If you want to reduce muzzle flip, this helps the most with follow up shots, go with a Glock 19 or 17 gen 4.

mavracer
January 28, 2012, 03:06 PM
Percieved recoil is very subjective. As a general rule heavier guns recoil less however with semi autos slide velocity and mass can have quite an effect as can bore axis. the higher the barrel is in relation to your hand/arm the more you'll percieve muzzle flip.
Try a few guns in the 25-32oz range i find this a happy range for CCW on the belt.

BossHogg
January 28, 2012, 03:15 PM
The best shooting 9mm I have is the C Z 75 Compact. I think I weighs in at around 33 oz. At that weight it is a very comfortable gun to shoot, very borderland for CCW.

iLikeOldgunsIlikeNewGuns
January 28, 2012, 04:17 PM
Out of my experience so far, a S&W 5906 with pachmayers has had the least 'felt' recoil out of all the 9mm pistols I've fired. Real heavy stainless tank of a gun, big comfy grip. It's not as long as a 1911, but just as heavy if not heavier, and fatter due to double-stack mags. Great shooter, incredibly reliable, enjoyable to shoot.


Everyone has their own unique preferences, I definitely prefer my guns to be heavy. My EDC is a full size, full weight 1911. I have found weight doesn't matter so much with carry-gun, if you have a good holster and a good belt that hold the gun firmly in place. That is key.
I enjoy shooting heavier guns than lighter guns because the same exact round feels better out of the heavier gun, and I find you can return to aim quicker/easier as well. Light guns have their merits too, I won't deny that.

TennJed
January 28, 2012, 05:38 PM
ruger p95
I have had a P95 and a S&W 5906. In my hand the S&W 5906 has slightly less felt recoil than the P95. Not by a whole lot, but noticible.

Either one though is mild

The Lone Haranguer
January 28, 2012, 06:03 PM
A full size service pistol, preferably with some weight to it, and provided it fits your hand, will always be more pleasant to shoot than a small light gun with a thin grip, such as that PF9.

jj1962hemi
January 28, 2012, 06:07 PM
I have a Taurus PT-92 (same size as a Beretta 92). It may be too big for a CCW, but the recoil is a piece of cake.

hq
January 28, 2012, 06:41 PM
1911, preferably double stack. Mine feels almost like a rimfire, with all the punch of a +P+ 9mm ammo. It's an all-steel gun, fairly heavy and 5" barrel but a real pussycat to shoot.

jimbo555
January 28, 2012, 08:13 PM
Mauser c-96 with shoulder stock!:D

roaddog28
January 28, 2012, 08:17 PM
For my money its a 5906. Full size all steel semi-auto. Others would be Beretta 92FS and of course the Sig P226. All of these will soak up recoil.
Regards,
Howard

atblis
January 28, 2012, 08:29 PM
If we want to exclude oversized competition full frame type pistols,
Steyr GB is the softest shooting pistol I've ever shot.

swelfelo
January 28, 2012, 09:02 PM
For concealed carry, take a look at the Kahr T9 or HK P7 series. These are reliable firearms with minimal recoil. Other possibilities would be a Sig 239 or 225 (P6). I own the first two and have shot the last two ones.

Ultimately, you will have to try what fits your hand and feels right to you. We can all make suggestions, but in the end it is what works for you.

Good hunting!

wyatte
January 28, 2012, 09:09 PM
I don't know if it is the absolute lowest recoil wise, but the full size Sig p226 is a joy to shoot, and very accurate and reliable. wyatte

doc540
January 28, 2012, 09:22 PM
1911 9mm Commander is a pussycat

mesinge2
January 28, 2012, 09:23 PM
The Beretta 92 series has got to be up there. It is way over built for a 9mm

Ghost Tracker
January 28, 2012, 09:30 PM
Beretta 92, CZ 75, or new GLOCK G17 (Gen 4 with dual-captured recoil springs).

JTQ
January 28, 2012, 11:14 PM
Glock 17, Smith & Wesson M&P 9, Springfield XD9

csa77
January 28, 2012, 11:32 PM
browning hi power

cl4de6
January 29, 2012, 12:01 AM
The Beretta PX4 Compact has the lightest recoil I've ever felt on any 9mm.

greenlion
January 29, 2012, 12:01 AM
If all you have shot is a Kel-tec PF-9, then just about any other 9mm will recoil less. Even the Kahr P9 would recoil less. A 4th Gen GLOCK 19 would feel like a .22 in comparison.

redfisher43
January 29, 2012, 12:02 AM
Many good suggestions, but I failed to see a Beretta or Stoeger Cougar mentioned, they are identical pistols with a rotating barrel.

jad0110
January 29, 2012, 12:09 AM
Well, you are likely to get a bunch of different answers because of what mavracer points out: felt recoil is highly subjective. Granted, as weight increases, felt recoil decreases, all other things being equal. However, most of the time nothing is really equal.

For example, I am the opposite of coolluke. I find that polymer framed 9mms have more muzzle flip than all steel 9s. Also, I find a G23 rather uncomfortable to shoot because of the shape of the grip (true of all Glocks) ... OTH I find my 2.5" S&W Model 66 slighly more pleasant to shoot .357 Mags out of because the gun feels better in my hand. A gun that feels good in your hand will also have less felt recoil, as alway, all other things being equal. :)

As far as 9mms go, I personally find my CZ-75 to be very soft shooting. I've never shot a HiPower, but I imagine it feels pretty similar to the CZ.

TennJed
January 29, 2012, 12:19 AM
Ruger Blackhawk 6 1/2 barrel

JHenry
January 29, 2012, 12:22 AM
H&K USP compact in 9mm would probably suit you well.

Cheaper options would include the beretta px4 and Stoger cougar

Pukindog12
January 29, 2012, 02:46 AM
Stoeger Cougar 8000 or Bersa Thunder 9 UC Pro.

mark1616
January 29, 2012, 02:53 AM
Originally Posted by Michael R. View Post
ruger p95

Yep! All steel and tank like durability. less recoil than my .22 pistol Ruger :)

Robbins290
January 29, 2012, 09:35 AM
Beretta 92fs and hi power. The beretta dont flip too much where the barrel does not cam down like most autos.

JDGray
January 29, 2012, 09:39 AM
Any thing bigger than a keltec shoots pretty soft. A Sig 226 I recently fired was very soft shooting compared to my CZ75s, but its a giant compared to them too!

guyfromohio
January 29, 2012, 09:46 AM
As said, generally heavier is better.... cz75, 92FS, etc... however, Glock has figured it out with the Gen4. Although I've never considered the 9mm a high-recoil round on any platform, my gen4 G19 stays on target very easily and is light weight and high cap to boot.

sigarms228
January 29, 2012, 09:51 AM
The SIG SP2022/P226/P229 are all soft shooters IMO.

The SIG P229 in .40 shoots softer for me than most other pistols in 9MM.

A lot though depends on you and how you grip your pistol.

Rent and shoot a box through a .44 magnum revolver and after that the 9MM will feel like a BB gun.

Fishman777
January 29, 2012, 10:08 AM
In a polymer framed handgun, I'd say the M&P9 or the SR9. These recoil less than all of the other polymer framed guns. I've heard that the PX4 is easy to shoot, but in my own experience, I've found the M&P to be easier to control.

If you're talking about a metal framed handgun, go for the all steel guns that are heavy.

greenlion
January 29, 2012, 10:37 AM
I just think that by shooting the ultra light, ultra thin, ultra small PF-9 that the OP has experience shooting, he has a very exaggerated view of the 9mm's recoil potential. I don't know anyone who complains about the recoil of a GLOCK 19. You don't need an all-steel, weighted down, compensated gun to shoot 9mm out of unless you are a very frail person.

xfyrfiter
January 29, 2012, 11:28 AM
My Ruger SR9, has less recoil than any SA handgun I have ever fired, Even less than my security six .357, firing ,38 spl. and I always felt that the six was a pussycat.

JTQ
January 29, 2012, 01:52 PM
Originally Posted by Michael R. View Post
ruger p95
mark1616 wrote,
Yep! All steel and tank like durability. less recoil than my .22 pistol Ruger
The P95 is a polymer pistol.

P85 & P89 had aluminum frames when they were in production.

TheBurns
January 29, 2012, 02:05 PM
I CC a 92fs in a SOB holster or IWB. It is a big gun though... It is also ideal for follow up shots

mwsenoj
January 29, 2012, 02:20 PM
Dunno if this has been suggested yet as I dont have time to read the whole thread, but if you do go glock, they have a brass insert called the Seattle Slug (here (http://www.taylorfreelance.com/seattle_slug.htm)) that is supposed to reduce felt recoil, guide the mag in, and reduce muzzle whip. I'm getting one in a week :)

Peter M. Eick
January 29, 2012, 03:32 PM
Sig 210-5 is the lowest recoiling 9mm I have. Very accurate to boot!

HKGuns
January 29, 2012, 05:42 PM
HK P7M8 is the lightest I've ever shot. Very accurate too.

mgmorden
January 29, 2012, 08:43 PM
The best way to get lower felt recoil is to get a heavier gun or a stronger recoil spring.

Actually, stronger recoil springs INCREASE felt recoil, not lower it.

The easiest way to visualize this is to imagine a spring of infinite strength - IE, not a spring at all and just a rod. With that, 100% of the energy is being absorbed straight back. Now, as you reduce the weight of said spring it gives more and more, and starts cushioning more and more of the recoil as the weight goes down. The reduction is increasing as the weight lowers though. That's why most competition rigs are outfitted with the lightest recoil springs that will reliably function.

The first part of your question is spot on though. Heavier guns have more inertia so the same energy doesn't get them going quite as fast.

As such, if you want to specifically go low-recoil, look for an all-steel HEAVY 9mm with the lowest weight recoil spring that will reliably function in the gun.

WRGADog
January 29, 2012, 09:21 PM
the Beretta PX4 Storm with the rotating barrel. My 9mm's:

Berettas: PX4, Px4c, PX4sc, 92FS, M9A1, 92FS compact, Nano
Glocks: G26, G19
Sig: 226 Blackwater
Walther: PPS
Springfield: XDsc, XDM, XDM 3.8
Kahr: PM9

1SOW
January 29, 2012, 09:25 PM
Sig P239, CZ compact

Nordeste
January 29, 2012, 10:58 PM
From my experience, the 92FS is quite a sweet shooter. Very little felt recoil and muzzle flip. Along with her would be the venerable Star 30M, and both would recoil less than a CZ75.

Amongst the polymers, the PX4 is quite a soft one too. The one I had was bought by a fella who owns a CZ75 and actually bought it because he felt (as I did) that it recoiled less than his CZ.

I have shot, though, the CZ SP01 Shadow and that is just a joy to shoot. Felt recoil and muzzle flip are amazingly low.

mark1616
January 30, 2012, 02:21 PM
The P95 is a polymer pistol.

P85 & P89 had aluminum frames when they were in production.

The P series began as all heavy metal. 85, 89, and 95. :)

http://www.neaca.com/images/Ruger_P95_DAO_9mm_2_.JPG

The Ruger P95

9mmforMe
January 30, 2012, 03:10 PM
I have shot many 9mms and the nod has to go to the P95...thus far in my experience anyway.

memphisjim
January 30, 2012, 03:13 PM
glock 17L compensated

mgmorden
January 30, 2012, 04:18 PM
The P series began as all heavy metal. 85, 89, and 95.

85 and 89 were aluminum framed - not sure if you qualify that as "heavy" metal or not, but the P95 was introduced with and has always had a polymer frame.

The picture you posted is of a Ruger P93 - also aluminum framed.

allaroundhunter
January 30, 2012, 05:39 PM
Softest 9mm that I have ever shot was a Sig P229, it also very soft shooting in .40 S&W (however since you are new to center fire handguns I would not go with a .40)

The recoil on a Glock 19 is also more than bearable, easy to control, and it is a good CCW piece.

Onmilo
January 30, 2012, 05:50 PM
I own a bunch of 9mm handguns and the softest recoiling 9 I own is a H&K USP.
It is also one of the largest 9mm handguns I own. and the USP was originally built around the .40 S&W cartridge so the guns are extremely durable in 9mm.

Sauer Grapes
January 30, 2012, 10:35 PM
My all steel pistol of choice is the S&W 5906. Did I say I really like the 5906? LOL

1SOW
January 31, 2012, 12:48 AM
The heaviest steel pistol with much of the weight "up front", using slow powder, 147gr bullet loaded light.

Phhhtt----ding.

slicer22
January 31, 2012, 02:25 AM
... to all for all the great references and ideas!

mark1616
January 31, 2012, 04:50 AM
the P95 was introduced with and has always had a polymer frame.

My P-95 is metal frame, and looks just like the one in the pic.

mgmorden
January 31, 2012, 11:36 AM
My P-95 is metal frame, and looks just like the one in the pic.

Unless you can show me a pic with closeups actually identifying it as a P-95, then my belief is that you actually have a P93 and don't know it. The P95 is and always has been a polymer framed gun.

Storm
January 31, 2012, 11:47 AM
Overall the Steyr GB. Of readily obtainable handguns the Steyr M9 or M9A1. the Beretta PX4 is also quite light.

Serenity
January 31, 2012, 11:52 AM
I have only shot a couple of other 9mm over a year ago, but my P226 is very nearly as smooth as my S&W 38 special. They are both monsters, though.

Castblaster
January 31, 2012, 12:54 PM
Theres no free lunch when it comes to recoil. The gun will either need to be heaver/longer or a less powerful caliber.

An alternative is two guns in the same caliber and same operating style, but one larger for practice and one smaller and lighter for carry.
Yes the lighter gun will hurt more to shoot. But if you have to use it in a defensive encounter you won't be telling the responding officer about how scary the recoil was.

I have carried for 14 years and it sucks. I started out with a heavy gun and that didn't last long. I now carry a 12oz J frame 38 Specl and it's still uncomfortable but I'm glad it's there.

And remember: keep your booger hooker off the bang switch till your ready to shoot.


Matt Hooper

Dain Bramage
January 31, 2012, 03:54 PM
Browning GP Comp, and the FEG P9L copy, have extremely low recoil. Both are basically Hi-Powers with more weight up front. Neither is produced anymore, and are sought after as collector items.

In that same vein, old Star Model B's are also soft shooters.

Tcruse
January 31, 2012, 04:12 PM
P95 is the choice for my brother with wrist problems. G4 Glock 17 is very close to the same, just a little more push back and less push up. Springfield XDM is worse than g4 17 in this area, but still not all that bad.

otasan56
January 31, 2012, 04:26 PM
I shoot a G17, and I think that he felt recoil is minimal. But I suppose that a heavier pistol will have less felt recoil. My G17 weighs only 32 ounces loaded.

9mmforMe
January 31, 2012, 08:40 PM
I believe that mgmorden is right in that the P95 has always come in a polymer configuration.

aliveisalive
January 31, 2012, 08:57 PM
1911 9mm. If you shoot light target loads (like WWB) It definitely wont bother you.

Of course if you have nerve trouble or other things in your hand, it still might hurt. But for a normal person shooting 50-100 rounds, I doubt you will even have any indication that you went shooting.

johnnydollar
January 31, 2012, 11:14 PM
1911 9mm. If you shoot light target loads (like WWB) It definitely wont bother you.

Of course if you have nerve trouble or other things in your hand, it still might hurt. But for a normal person shooting 50-100 rounds, I doubt you will even have any indication that you went shooting.

I agree on the 9mm 1911. I shot both a RIA GI (5 inch barrel) and a Colt Commander in 9mm this weekend--what great shooting, soft recoiling guns!

maswell
February 1, 2012, 12:26 AM
the HK P7 series is definitely a low recoil fast follow up machine.

Inebriated
February 1, 2012, 12:30 AM
P226 Stainless.

Or maybe a High Point?

allaroundhunter
February 1, 2012, 01:32 AM
Or maybe a High Point?

Don't Hi-Points use a blowback operation to cycle the slide? That would lead to more recoil...

johnnydollar
February 1, 2012, 01:41 AM
the HK P7 series is definitely a low recoil fast follow up machine.

Shot one of those this weekend as well. Great accuracy, very quick to get back on target, low recoil.

Inebriated
February 1, 2012, 02:12 AM
Don't Hi-Points use a blowback operation to cycle the slide? That would lead to more recoil...

I have always thought the weight of the slide would kind of mitigate that. I shot one next to a Beretta 92, and it SEEMED like less recoil, but I had just put 300 rounds of .45 ACP down range, so it all felt like a .22.

GrandmasterB
February 1, 2012, 02:35 AM
Another vote for the H&K P7. It has an extremely low bore axis and the gas system really tames recoil. Try some 147gr sub sonics and see how soft they are.

I have had Rugers, Glocks, S&W 3rd gen and M&Ps and none of them shoot as soft as the P7.

heidad01
February 12, 2012, 05:04 PM
+1 for a 5" barreled 1911 style of any brand.
It is amazing to see the number of complaits about having a hard time or being uncomfortable or too heavy. get a good holster and go to the gym if a 40 oz gun seems too heavy to carry. ;)

harmon rabb
February 12, 2012, 10:43 PM
i own a bunch of service 9's and have fired a bunch more. my 5906 has the softest recoil of any of them, hands down.

but any full sized 9 has very low recoil ayway. any of them will be MUCH softer shooting than that pf-9.

coltnj
February 12, 2012, 11:59 PM
Considering "equal and opposite reactions" and "conservation of momentum" concepts... here a science book (though not necessarily a practical) answer to the question "which has least recoil."

If one defines recoil as the amount of energy or momentum imparted to your hand by the gun, then for a given 9mm round, shortest-barreled 9mm pistols (< 3") should technically "recoil" least. Less barrel length = less distance the bullet is pushed = less energy (Force x Distance) imparted to the bullet. The longer barrels should generate more bullet energy and hence more recoil energy.

The equal and opposite reaction of the bullet's motion is imparted to the gun.
The mass of a heavier gun slows the guns rearward motion.
The slower motion backward subsequently generates a lower force to the hands over a longer time. Springs can also reduce and spread the reaction force over time.

Practically, heavier guns with long barrels are perceived to have "softer" recoil,
Short-barreled guns both lighter weight and incorporate stiffer recoil springs.
This means the short-barreled guns move back faster and impart higher force,
which are perceived as harsher.

So the recoil from a longer/heavier gun is perceived to be a lower "kick" when your hand has actually absorbed both more energy and momentum.

FWIW.

Moose458
February 13, 2012, 11:42 AM
Have to place my vote on the Browning Hi-Power.

LaDave
February 13, 2012, 01:54 PM
Browning hi- power . IMHO the Cadillac of all 9mms

OldCavSoldier
February 13, 2012, 05:13 PM
For me it's a tie: Browning Hi-Power and an S&W M&P9 Full Size....both very easy on the recoil and, if you are not a small guy, relatively easy to concealed carry.

Hondo 60
February 13, 2012, 11:35 PM
What's the lowest-recoil 9mm pistol?

Sorry, it doesn't quite work that way.

Usually a heavier gun will have less felt-recoil. USUALLY!
But you can put the same ammo in two guns & it'll feel different.
Even when both guns are the same make & model.

To reduce the recoil in any gun, try reloading your own ammo.
By using different powders, primers & bullets you can tame the recoil & tailor the ammo to your gun.

bannockburn
February 14, 2012, 03:23 PM
Lowest felt recoil gun in a 9mm. that I have used would have to be the MAB PA-15. The unique design featured a barrel lug which rotated the barrel by means of a track inside the slide when the gun was fired. This made it possible for the gun to use a wide range of ammuntion (light target loads to very hot loads), without affecting its performance or reliabilty. Add to this an all steel gun that weighed over 39 oz. empty, and you had one very soft shooting 9mm. In todays shooting world, the Beretta PX-4 uses a similar rotating barrel locking system.

Other end of the spectrum: the worst felt recoil in a 9mm. would have to be the straight blowback Astra Model 600!

Orion8472
March 5, 2012, 08:45 PM
Wouldn't the polymer guns that sit lowest in the hand have less felt recoil? A lot of the heavier metal guns have their bore axis higher than some of the polymer options, so wouldn't it balance it out, or even produce less? For example, Glock, Ruger SR9, Springfield Armory XDM9?

allaroundhunter
March 5, 2012, 08:49 PM
Wouldn't the polymer guns that sit lowest in the hand have less felt recoil?

I feel less recoil when shooting a Sig P226 (Standard, SCT, and X-Five) than my Glock 19....it is not just bore axis that matters. Weight is a significant factor.

coolluke01
March 5, 2012, 10:13 PM
A lower bore axis will deliver more of the recoil into the hand, but it will have less muzzle flip. It all depends on which you would like to eliminate.
I feel muzzle flip makes a gun hard to shoot. I would rather take the force straight back into the hand than have to bring the gun down to reacquire the sights when shooting fast.

Orion8472
March 5, 2012, 10:20 PM
That's kind of how I am seeing this issue. To me, I would rather have less muzzle flip, even if that means more push into my hand. Muzzle flip is uncomfortable to me.

Currently, my "heavy and metal" 9mm is a CZ SP-01.

MoreIsLess
March 6, 2012, 12:30 PM
IMHO, the lowest recoiling would be the Walther PPQ, at leat for a polymer gun.

otasan56
March 7, 2012, 09:59 AM
Browning hi- power . IMHO the Cadillac of all 9mms

I think that you are right here. The BHP is an all-steel gun. It has a lot of weight, and therefore, less recoil. Does Springfield Armory offer an all-steel M1911A1 in 9mm? That would have some heft also.

soapboxpreacher
March 7, 2012, 10:51 AM
Baby desert eagle II all metal the 9915R it is a heavy gun with a 4.52" barrel and it is also extremely accurate. It is the most accurate 9mm I have shot so far follow ups just make the hole of your first shot a little bigger!

soapboxpreacher
March 7, 2012, 10:52 AM
Polymer would have to go to the gen4 glock or hk p30

Fotno
March 7, 2012, 01:37 PM
Percieved recoil is very subjective. As a general rule heavier guns recoil less however with semi autos slide velocity and mass can have quite an effect as can bore axis. the higher the barrel is in relation to your hand/arm the more you'll percieve muzzle flip.
Try a few guns in the 25-32oz range i find this a happy range for CCW on the belt.
+ 1

Heavier is generally better, but for me the grip geometry and bore axis have as much or more impact than the weight of the overall firearm. The better the grip fits my hand and the lower the bore axis, the less recoil I perceive.

jrw69
March 7, 2012, 02:23 PM
S&W 5904 and Taurus PT-92

fpgt72
March 7, 2012, 03:41 PM
My wife has a hard time with recoil...to the point her hand will bruse, then start to bleed even in shooting her 380.

She shot the 92fs a few weekends ago for the first extended time...before it has just been a shot or two...this time she shot up about 50 or so rounds....no problems.

I think it is just the bulk of the gun, the fat grip that makes it friendly for her.

I have gone shooting with a few people in my time, but never seen the webbing of someones hand and palm by your thumb start to bleed...and no she was not getting bitten...it was just the force of the recoil...no way could she get that part of her hand anywere near anything that moved.

Serenity
March 7, 2012, 08:35 PM
I think you are onto something with the fat grip. I shoot a Sig P226 and my other gun is a S&W stainless K frame, so the Sig seems just the right size to me. At the class I took on Sunday, several people mentioned that it just looked big resting on the bench. When I looked at some of their guns in comparison, I guess with the double stack it does have a thick grip and that saves my hand by distributing the force. I have long fingers so have no trouble reaching the trigger.

Seven High
March 7, 2012, 08:57 PM
Does recoil bother you? If so, a shooting glove should minimize the effects of recoil on your hand til you get more used to it.

mizer67
March 7, 2012, 09:34 PM
I would have to vote for the M&P 9mm (Pro or FS) in polymer, or the CZ SP01 Shadow in steel.

147 gr rounds and those two shoot very light.

FMF Doc
March 7, 2012, 10:01 PM
From personal expericance it any of the full size/duty size/combat size/ whatever you want to call it size pistols in 9mm have very light recoil. The Beretta 92 series, the Sig P226 and the Glock 34 are a toss-up for "softest" shooting, though I think the edge goes to the Glock 34. I have heard good things about the steel framed CZs, but don't have enough expience with them to add them to the list.

sgtstryker
March 8, 2012, 08:50 PM
Not having fired alot of different model 9's, the one I feel had the least recoil is the 92 Beretta. I had a 92S and the F model, both shot well and didn't beat you up. But, they are a large pistol, but will ride in a belt holster.

Rubikees
March 8, 2012, 10:30 PM
When we were first looking at firearms, the wife and I went to a range and rented just about every 9mm they had. She felt the M&P9 was the softest in recoil. That was before Glock and Springfield updated there firearm line. Recently I bought a Glock 17 and she said that the Glock 17 was down with the M&P9 in recoil.

jman74
March 8, 2012, 10:58 PM
My vote has to go the Hi Power. The size, weight, and design make it a pleasure to shoot. The P89 and Star B (even though it's smaller and lighter than the other two) aren't far behind. I have all three and recoil muzzle flip is pretty low on all three.

bogeypro
March 9, 2012, 01:46 AM
My sr9c is pretty tame, but my hi power s the easiest pistol to shoot.

MisterNoisy
March 9, 2012, 02:12 AM
CZ-75. It's a heavy all-steel auto pistol, the bore axis is about as low as it gets, and the grip and ergos are still the best in the business.

el Godfather
March 9, 2012, 02:21 AM
CZ 75 Czechmate

If that's not in budget then full size H&K USP.

italy4nra
March 9, 2012, 04:40 AM
I have shot the B Cx4 and the Slovakian Grand Power K100. They have the same rotating barrel design, but since the GP is heavier it has much less perceived recoil. It was a bit odd to shoot as you can feel the barrel lock rotating "slowly" back during the action cycle. But very stable.

I think in US it is known as the STI GP6

Hondo 60
March 9, 2012, 08:16 PM
What's the lowest-recoil 9mm pistol?

2 weeks ago I shot a Taurus PT1911 in 9mm
There was almost no recoil at all.
I have a .22 that has more recoil.

dondavis3
March 9, 2012, 08:34 PM
Another vote for Beretta PX4 Storm

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx67/dondavis3/Guns/017-Copy.jpg

Rotating barrel is the reason

:cool:

TMann
March 9, 2012, 09:10 PM
If you're really want to minimize recoil (as I have since I've began having recurrent tendinitis in my right elbow), you may want to consider just getting two similar, but different guns: a large, heavy full-size gun for the range and HD, and a similar but smaller gun for carry. I get most of my practice in with the full-size gun, and shoot the carry gun just enough to remain familiar with it.

I also shoot a lot of .22.

TMann

Skunk Pilot
May 15, 2012, 04:28 AM
I would have to vote for the M&P 9mm (Pro or FS) in polymer, or the CZ SP01 Shadow in steel.

147 gr rounds and those two shoot very light.

I owned a G23 (.40) so that doesn't count, way too snappy and painful for me, even 9 years ago.

After that I owned the XDM9 full size and that was a too high of a bore axis, although it felt good in my hands, still a good gun.
The M&P9L I bought after I sold the XDM9 and it has less felt recoil than the XDM9 for sure. However I like the full size 4.25" M&P though. I have wrist, hand and really bad neck pain, shooting usually lays me out for 2 days after, literally. So any less recoil is a major plus.

I went shooting last Thursday with a friend to shoot my Buckmark 22lr. Afterwards I wanted to talk to him about reloading since day before stopped by Cabela's and was looking at reloading stuff and picked up they're Shooting Catalog, he said he's been looking into it and wants to do it soon. We both agreed it's a lot more expensive than we both thought.
I also talked to my uncle today who lives close by and he's willing to go in half with me to get into it and set it up in his 2nd garage. Have to figure out the costs in the next month or two and then we'll go from there. Would be nice if all three of us could go in on some powder and bullet deals just to see if it's right for my uncle and I to do it, let alone my friend to do at his place. Don't know if my friend will eventually end up continuing to do it, let alone my uncle and I, but we all want to start. With my friend also with a separate setup, we'll be able to help each other out from time to time I'm sure.

I'm looking to get another M&P9, I'm getting the Apex FSS & Trigger again and setting it up at 3 lbs and also getting a low recoil spring for when I do the reloads. I want to get the lowest power factor 9mm loads I can get while still having it rack the slide. I want to get some of them to not rack the slide with the aftermarket spring, then I'll just add a little bit more powder. Also looking forward to the Apex 22lr conversion kit for the M&P, so I can shoot with the FSS & Trigger.

However I can also get new M&P40 FS for $445 shipped so that's tempting, I can always get a conversion barrel for it. Since some M&P 9's don't have the best accuracy anyways (well out to 25 yds which most don't shoot anyways, but nice to know you can), then the conversion barrel should fix it and I already have 3 extra M&P9 mags. Would like to get a Bar-Sto barrel when it comes out shortly, but those are even more expensive than others. If you do a Bar-Sto you might as well get one that is very accurate, but then a gunsmith will have to do it which will be very expensive. Of course I could get that M&P 357 sig for $420 shipped through CDNN. Irony is I wouldn't want to shoot the .40 or for sure the .357 sig at all, I guess if the world was ending the .40 would be nice to have as a backup for my family (as I'd be dead shortly without electricity), but just don't see me using it unless; My uncle said he'd just buy a 9mm handgun as he has a .40 right now. However if he gets the .40 reloading dies and he can get it to be lower recoil than a regular 9mm (doubt it though), then I wouldn't mind getting the M&P40 with the 9mm conversion, just in case. Have to do some more searches (Google took me to this topic) on how much less recoil you can really get with low power 9mm and .40's. Haven't found the answer yet, but really my first search on the matter.

I have never shot a CZ 75 and would really like to though, would be very interested in how it feels in the recoil department.

Essentially I'd like to get the recoil down below the Hornady Critical Defense 115gr loads. I thought they'd be even more powerful than regular ones, I was surprised, but then common sense kicked in and understood why. I don't think I've even shot a 124gr or a 147gr bullet, but I think I will be buying these 147gr ones for $94 (http://www.tjconevera.com/berrys-9mm-147-g.html) Or one of the 124gr ones (http://www.tjconevera.com/berrys-bullets.html) from same place for around $85. Hopefully this will help in the recoil department. Still a lot of reading to do over the next 1 to two months, well even after I get the reloading stuff I'll still be reading books and in many forums.

Inebriated
May 15, 2012, 04:32 AM
Have you tried the Gen 4 Glocks? Double recoil spring, which could be beneficial to you. The Gen 4 17 may be worth a try.

Skunk Pilot
May 15, 2012, 06:03 AM
Have you tried the Gen 4 Glocks? Double recoil spring, which could be beneficial to you. The Gen 4 17 may be worth a try.

Inebriated good point for the OP; I also got to shoot the G17 Gen4 April 1st and while the ergos changed a little bit, I think it was much more comfortable than my G23 Gen3. Granted a full size should be better anyways, but the new Gen4 feels much better in my hands though.
Mine however had a lot of FTE's, sometimes 3 or 4 in one mag. It was at a mfg reps shooters show at LGS & R, but Glock didn't show up so it was the LGS's gun. I know that Apex Tactical is working on an extractor for the Gen4 that should fix it, I'm sure there's other ones out there, besides Glocks updated OEM ones.

Of course if I had more money, realistically I'd probably do 3 M&P's (all with Apex FSS & Trigger kits, unless get the 9 Shield), one 1911 9mm and one Glock Gen4 followed by another Glock or maybe one of those CZ 75's and get that 22lr conversion for it. I've also shot the S&W 1911 9mm Pro and really liked that, it's annoying only having 9 or 10 rounds though. Don't know why, it just bugs me, even though now I have that UpLula, speed loader which is a must for anyone with wrist,hand... problems. Same thing applies to Ultimate Clip Loader with Ruger MK's and Buckmarks.

vaupet
May 15, 2012, 06:23 AM
Don't know about the glock, never shot one, but the description of the double recoil spring resembles the construction of my USP, wich is a nice shooter.

P7 is even better and the best for me, is my P9S with it's roller delayed blowback system..

greetings

Peter

Shipwreck
May 15, 2012, 08:19 AM
I have a PX4 and have owned a few Ruger P85s. Both ARE low recoiling. But, I've shot them on the same trip as a Beretta 92. I think the Beretta 92 has just a little less recoil than those

Fishman777
May 15, 2012, 08:29 AM
I think that any all-steel, heavy gun will be really pleasant to shoot. I also think that the Beretta 92 series in pretty light in the recoil department.

In my opinion, the M&P 9 and the SR9 have the lightest recoil out of the Polymer pistols that I've shot. Superb erognomics and low bore axis.

Gunblast seems to agree with my experience. At the time of writing their review of the M&P 40, Jeff Quinn stated that the M&P was the lightest shooting 40 s&w gun that he had ever shot. A few years later while reviewing the SR40, Jeff decided that the SR40 might be the lightest shooting .40 s&w that he had ever shot, whic implies that it might handle recoil a little better than the M&P.

Tcruse
May 16, 2012, 11:54 AM
Inebriated good point for the OP; I also got to shoot the G17 Gen4 April 1st and while the ergos changed a little bit, I think it was much more comfortable than my G23 Gen3. Granted a full size should be better anyways, but the new Gen4 feels much better in my hands though.
Mine however had a lot of FTE's, sometimes 3 or 4 in one mag. It was at a mfg reps shooters show at LGS & R, but Glock didn't show up so it was the LGS's gun. I know that Apex Tactical is working on an extractor for the Gen4 that should fix it, I'm sure there's other ones out there, besides Glocks updated OEM ones.

Of course if I had more money, realistically I'd probably do 3 M&P's (all with Apex FSS & Trigger kits, unless get the 9 Shield), one 1911 9mm and one Glock Gen4 followed by another Glock or maybe one of those CZ 75's and get that 22lr conversion for it. I've also shot the S&W 1911 9mm Pro and really liked that, it's annoying only having 9 or 10 rounds though. Don't know why, it just bugs me, even though now I have that UpLula, speed loader which is a must for anyone with wrist,hand... problems. Same thing applies to Ultimate Clip Loader with Ruger MK's and Buckmarks.
99% of the Glock Gen 4s do not and never had a problem. Most of 1% has been fixed with upgraded RSA (free from Glock for the asking) and/or 30274 ejector (also free from Glock, just needs an ammor to get it, or purchase for $9 with trigger housing). The issue from my perspective has been way over hyped. Mine came wht the upgraded RSA so really do not know if I needed it or not. I added the 30274 ejector just be current. Still have the MIM extractor and see no reason to change. With 2000 rounds about, see no signs of wear or issues on the extractor.

As far as re-coil, Gen 4 17 is softer than Gen 3s, XDm, and Barretta 84(380 full size). The softest loads that I know about are Federal Value Pack 100 from Walmart (1120 fps). I like the Winchester WB, S&B, MFS 2000 (Brass), CCI Aluminium, Cabelas CCI Nylon Jacketed, and Aquila 124g better. The Cabelas CCI Nylon are also soft and they have the added advantage of low lead exposure and very clean to shoot.

ku4hx
May 16, 2012, 04:57 PM
Any gun can be made into a soft shooter by tweaking such things as spring weight, powder (burn rates of various), lowest powder charge, light bullets, heavy construction, added weights, compensators and etc. The question is why? I've done it in guns I used in IPSC competition in the early '80s but they were very expensive and sometimes finicky.

If a gun is to be a defensive piece, buy the highest quality you can afford with the features you like and learn to shoot it. Unless the gun is simply too much for the shooter (500 S&W for your 90 pound granny), recoil aversion is largely a psychological phenomenon and can be overcome by a dedicated shooter.

CountryUgly
May 16, 2012, 07:10 PM
I'd have to say Browning Hi-Power or the good ol' 92FS or it's Taurus clone PT-99...

Orion8472
May 16, 2012, 09:26 PM
ku4hx, I have had my bouts with the psychological aversion to recoil. Part of it was due to a TOO light trigger. But to help me over the hump, I just purchased a Ruger New Vaquero in .45acp to help with "facing my fears". :-)

As for this topic, CZ SP-01 is a good choice.

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