What would most of you guy's think is the best all around hunting cartridge?


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Beak50
January 28, 2012, 03:20 PM
I've been told by my father-in-law that 3000 fps is the magic number but do you really need all that blast and power to shoot a deer or animal that size for hunting in pennsylvania?espically since I have never had a shot at one over 200yrds.And would it be worth me going out to buy one since I already have a beautiful customised winchester model 70 with a 6.5x20 leuopold on it and is by far my most accurate rifle I own.Any In put would be greatly appreciated.

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jpwilly
January 28, 2012, 03:24 PM
30-06 IMO but if you already have a Win 70 in a cartridge that works I wouldn't worry about it unless you need an excuse to purchase something else.

guyfromohio
January 28, 2012, 03:24 PM
I've never had a well-placed shot from any round kill an animal less dead.

HOOfan_1
January 28, 2012, 03:28 PM
Probably something like a 6.5mm still a little small for brown bears, but it would suffice.

IMO for deer and varmints, a 6mm Rem or .243 would be the best.

For deer and larger, anything from .270 winchester up to .300 Win Mag

.338 Win mag is a little big for deer, but would suffice.

Personally, as a gun enthusiast, I don't try to pick an all around. I try to pick an approximate best for each situation.


Small game including small varmints .22 lr or .22 Magnum, .17 HMR for those you don't care to eat
Varmints. .17 Rem, .204 Ruger, .222, .223, .22-250, .220 Swift, .234, 6mm Rem
Deer. .243 on up to 7mm Magnum
Elk, Moose, Bear .30-06 up to .375 RUM
Dangerous game .375 H&H up to 700 Nitro Mag or .577 T-rex

TexasPatriot.308
January 28, 2012, 03:38 PM
.308

powell&hyde
January 28, 2012, 03:47 PM
Shot placement comes first!! For the lower 48 states the /06 is hard to beat, if you roll your own you can shoot gophers to bear.

nastynatesfish
January 28, 2012, 05:42 PM
if your not traveling anyplace to hunt and 200 max on whitetail or bear id say 308. if you ever plan on coming out west and hunt elk or mule deer? i think the 7 mag is the best choice, not the kick as the 300wm and flatter shooting better bc than 3006. i have both a 7 rem mag and a 308 win. ill never be without my 7mag. if you know anyone with one, shoot it. if you handload you can load accuratly out of a 1-9.25 twist rifle bulles from 120-175 gr bullets. i load 168gr hornady bthp or berger bthp at 2975fps.

PapaG
January 28, 2012, 05:57 PM
My personal choice for an all around battery for mid-America would be a .22, a .308, and a 12 gauge. Didn't answer the question, did I. I don't have to choose one. If I did, it would be the .308. I've got bullets, jacketed, from 100 to 200 grains, and moulds from 115 to 195 grains. I can load for everything from squirrel to moose..but you can do that with virtually any 30 except for the carbine.

jem375
January 28, 2012, 06:18 PM
For deer in Minnesota, the 308 is hard to beat.. there are other calibers that I have used but the 308 is my favorite deer caliber...

txcookie
January 28, 2012, 06:23 PM
nother vote for 30.06 It can handle anything on NA.

blarby
January 28, 2012, 06:35 PM
.30-30

Some flavors, like vanilla, pass the test of time.

Its taken everything walking here, and most of whats abroad.

Simple, easy to use and maintain rifles. Reasonable recoil. If you need longer range , nw there is FTX.

GI_Jared
January 28, 2012, 06:41 PM
.308

Post up a poll

finnwolf64
January 28, 2012, 06:45 PM
I guess the .375 H&H Magnum would be the best all round hunting cartridge.

Mike Sr.
January 28, 2012, 06:46 PM
IMHO there are 3 best choices...bar none!

---30-30...especially now with new ammo available..

---308

---30-06

-------------------------------

For me the .308 has the edge!

jmr40
January 28, 2012, 06:57 PM
A well constructed 180 gr., 30 cal. bullet leaving the muzzle @ 3000 fps will kill any animal in North America and kill most of them at ranges of 600-700 yards, and with recoil that most anyone should be able to handle. It will kill even the largest game from closer ranges. That does not mean that every hunter has the need or skills to make that happen.

For Pennsylvania whitetail at 200 yards that is way more power than needed, but you are talking about 1 specific type of hunting in your post, yet the title says "best all around hunting cartridge". For 95% of my hunting needs a 308, or 7-08 is more than adequate.

But if I were wanting to hunt everything from polar bear on down to coyote with 1 rifle, and wanted to be able to make shots at 600-700 yards. I'd have to say one of the 300 mags would be my first choice. A 30-06 will shoot the same bullet to 2800 fps and will do all the same things, just at sightly reduced ranges, and would be a close 2nd choice.

Your FIL law is basically right. It is just that everyones definition of "all around" is a little different. Most of us understand that we will never hunt polar bear and don't have the skills to make 700 yard shots at deer. Even though a 300 mag may be the best choice, most of us do not have the skills (or financial resources) to take advantage of it's abilities.

Float Pilot
January 28, 2012, 06:58 PM
While I have taken every critter here in Alaska with a 7x57mm Mauser, it was marginal in some cases. On the other hand the 30-06 has done everything up here and down in the lesser 49 States for over 100 years.
The 30-06 is the old heavy duty pick-up truck of the cartridge world.
We in the USA do not appreciate it enough since it is always right there in front of us.

Geno
January 28, 2012, 07:00 PM
Ask him which he shoots either a Weather Magnum, or a Remington Ultra Magnum. If he bought one of those, he likely believes in the "hydrostatic shock transfer" theory. ;)

Now, the HST theory is all good and fine. But, if fails to explain the millions of game animals kilt-dead by muzzleloaders that never came close to 3000 FPS. I think those animals posthumously should file a grievance to redeem their lives. :D

Geno

Abel
January 28, 2012, 07:01 PM
I like the 30-30. I don't always get to hunt those stands where you can see three hundred yards, but I do get to use my climber and scout out spots where 100 yard shots are way out there.

MCgunner
January 28, 2012, 07:23 PM
Since I'll never go to Alaska, I chose a 7mm Remington Magnum, but hardly ever hunt deer/hog with it anymore. At the time, i was thinkin' I'd get to hunt elk and I was partial to the BCs and variety of bullets available. The 264 Win Mag had the BCs, but the bullet variety was less 20 years ago. I still have a .257 Roberts that was never broke that I shot my first deer with 48 years ago and I have a stainless .308 M7 Remington I'm rather partial to.

Gtscotty
January 28, 2012, 07:30 PM
Interesting, I've always heard people say that the 2700 - 2800 fps range is a hunting sweet spot. I imagine that old saying has a lot to do with the performance envelope of classic cup and core style bullets.

In reference to your questions:

I've been told by my father-in-law that 3000 fps is the magic number but do you really need all that blast and power to shoot a deer or animal that size for hunting in pennsylvania?

No, you obviously don't need 3k fps to kill animals cleanly, people have been successfully killing animals with decidedly slower rounds for several hundred years. As far as I know, all of these previously dispatched animals have remained dead despite advances in hunting technology and the emergence of magnum rifle rounds.

And would it be worth me going out to buy one since I already have a beautiful customised winchester model 70 with a 6.5x20 leuopold on it and is by far my most accurate rifle I own.

Maybe I missed it, but what caliber is your Model 70 (I assume the 6.5x20 refers to scope dimensions)? If it is one of the cartridges normally used for deer sized game, and you don't mind taking it out hunting, I don't see why you would need another hunting rifle.

On the other hand, if your Win 70 really is a strikingly beautiful rifle, or has sentimental value, you may not want to subject it to the wear and dings that hunting rifles tend to accumulate. In this case, a decent cheaper rifle chambered in any of the popular deer calibers ('06, 270, .308, 7-08, .243, .260 etc.) should serve you well and you won't have to worry about blemishing your custom rifle.

W.E.G.
January 28, 2012, 07:32 PM
One round for everything from bunny to griz?

Aint no such thing.

D4v5
January 28, 2012, 07:41 PM
Plain and simple a 30-06. 165gr or 180gr and you have anything for hunting game in north america

Spec ops Grunt
January 28, 2012, 07:55 PM
One round for everything from bunny to griz?

Aint no such thing.

12 Gauge

Deputy25
January 28, 2012, 08:46 PM
30-06, although I'm fond of my .300 Winchester too.

mshootnit
January 28, 2012, 08:48 PM
30-06 is pretty close.:D

browningguy
January 28, 2012, 09:10 PM
The most versatile in my opinion is the good old -06. I have everything from 5.7x28 to .458 Winchester, but one of the 06's is what I usually take hunting, even if I'm planning on using my 7x57/.243/300 Winny/.308 one of the -06's will usually go along as a backup.

JRH6856
January 28, 2012, 09:13 PM
I've been told by my father-in-law that 3000 fps is the magic number but do you really need all that blast and power to shoot a deer or animal that size for hunting in pennsylvania?espically since I have never had a shot at one over 200yrds.And would it be worth me going out to buy one since I already have a beautiful customised winchester model 70 with a 6.5x20 leuopold on it and is by far my most accurate rifle I own.Any In put would be greatly appreciated.

I can't find anything in there that says what caliber you already have or what caliber your FIL thinks you need to get 3,000fps. :scrutiny:

Mauser lover
January 28, 2012, 09:18 PM
What is the Win Model 70 chambered in?

303tom
January 28, 2012, 09:20 PM
.30-06 Springfield.................

hogshead
January 28, 2012, 09:25 PM
308

BigN
January 28, 2012, 09:27 PM
Living where I live now it would have to be a 243

nathan
January 28, 2012, 09:39 PM
A 12 G shotgun with removable choke. Slug plus IC choke for deer at close range, this is a limitation but it will bring it down. 00 Bk plus IC choke for human zombies and birdshots plus modified choke for the upland and waterfowls.

HKGuns
January 29, 2012, 12:24 AM
30-06 or .308 Pick one.

Archaic
January 29, 2012, 02:12 AM
None of the deer I have killed with my 7mm-08 have ever complained about being dropped in their tracks with an under powered gun. I guess they would be just as dead if I shot them with the .06 or the .300 Win, but I kind of like the way the little model 7 moves through the woods.

Beak50
January 29, 2012, 03:32 AM
Sorry my model 70 custom is in 7RM Mag.It is by far my most prized rifle,extremely accurate and I load my own shell's Nosler all the way.I just got a Swiss K-31 7.5x55,very similar in performance to the .308 from what I gather but I have yet to scope it and am thinking of using it in the wood's since I'm afraid of dinging up my 7mag.Since I put so much $ in it.and being disabled a tree stand would be the best place for me to hunt anymore

jnoble87
January 29, 2012, 04:02 AM
I can't believe we're doing another one of these....

The consensus says the .30-06 is the king of calibers for hunting, all purpose of course. Sure I'd rather have a 7mm mag or a .300 mag for taking whatever 4 legged creature that crosses my path, at 500-600 yards out. But for everything closer, the 06 does it all.

Doesn't anyone ever use the search function on here?

precisionrifle14
January 29, 2012, 04:07 AM
Just to go against the norm, I'll go with my custom savage .243.

mljdeckard
January 29, 2012, 04:21 AM
All the reasons the military picked the .308 for a service rifle cartridge make it a good hunting cartridge as well. The .308 has a bit of a perceived advantage in being a short-action cartridge, but the '06 can push heavier bullets, in case you had to use one for something as big as a moose. For the vast majority of shooters and hunters, the difference is negligible, if any.

I don't see why a 3000 fps standard is effective. There's a heck of a difference between a 55 grain bullet going that speed and a 180 grain bullet that fast being fired from a magnum cartridge.

Beak50
January 29, 2012, 04:38 AM
Thank you all fo your in-put,It's really appreciated.That's why this forum is my favorite on the net.Thank's agian.Beak

Elkins45
January 29, 2012, 12:54 PM
I don't have to choose. One of the joys of gun ownership is buying specialty guns for real or imagined needs.

But it I did have to choose I would vote for 30/06. It's killed everything on the planet.

RX-178
January 29, 2012, 12:56 PM
Another vote for the 30-06

Gunnerboy
January 29, 2012, 01:04 PM
Well ill be the first, 6.5x55 is tied to the beloved 06 in my opinion.

mdauben
January 29, 2012, 01:26 PM
I've been told by my father-in-law that 3000 fps is the magic number but do you really need all that blast and power to shoot a deer or animal that size for hunting in pennsylvania?
Sounds like the F-I-L suffers from "magnumitis"! :p

As others have said, the .30-06 is widely considered the best "all around" hunting cartridge, yet it generally cracks 3000 fps only with varmint weight bullets (at least with factory ammo). Looking at other popular hunting cartridges, some pass the 3000 fps bar, but many don't so I don't think such an arbitrary minimum is really anything but personal preference.

tnxdshooter
January 29, 2012, 01:27 PM
.308


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mgregg85
January 29, 2012, 01:32 PM
My pick is the .30-06, it will put down any big game animal you can find on this continent and it works great as a light African rifle too. The only African big game I wouldn't try it on would be the elephant, cape buffalo. Do they still allow hunting rhino and hippo? If so I'd want a bigger caliber for them as well.

HoboCoastie
January 29, 2012, 01:34 PM
I'll add to the .308 crowd. I like things in my life that serve more than one purpose. I can hunt with a .308, and due to it's commonality, it makes a great zombie appocalypse round too.

Smokey in PHX
January 29, 2012, 01:55 PM
30-06. Does it all.

xXxplosive
January 29, 2012, 02:01 PM
IMO............the '06 is one teriffic caliber.....the .300 Win. Mag. is better.

rori
January 29, 2012, 02:05 PM
Best all around cartridge is the 375 h&h mag. For NA the 30/06. FRJ

RevGeo
January 29, 2012, 03:12 PM
I'm a big fan of the 30-40 cartridge, and a well sporterized Krag is truly a thing of beauty, but if I could only have one rifle for hunting it would be
a pre-'64 Winchester Mod 70 in 30-06.

George

Mauser lover
January 29, 2012, 03:12 PM
Your Model 70 will take anything you want. You really don't need anything bigger. That 7.5x55mm is also a good choice for medium sized game.

TwoEyedJack
January 29, 2012, 05:46 PM
I use to live in Centre County, just a little north of you, and I killed a fair number of deer with a .30-30 Marlin 336C. Out to 150 yards it was deadly. Most every shot was less than 50 yards. When I moved west, I swapped it out for a .270. I wish I would have never sold it.

Kosh75287
January 30, 2012, 03:22 AM
They're expensive, and damned difficult to find ammo for, but the 8x68 Schuler would get my vote. WAY too big for bunnies, but it responds decently (I've heard) to down-loading. On the other end of the spectrum, any bruin on the continent can be downed with a well-placed shot from one.
ANOTHER nice bonus: NO MAGNUM BELT to mess with feeding and shorten your case-life down to almost nothing!

Kachok
January 30, 2012, 12:18 PM
Best all around hunting caliber, I think that depends on where you live.
Here in the southeast I would vote for one of the medium 6.5s: 260rem, 6.5 Creedmore, 6.5x55, 6.5x47. Because they are all the umph you will ever need on a whitetail out to 400+yd and provide a high level of accuracy for headshots on our large hogs.
If I lived in elk country I would opt for a 308, 30-06 or 7mm Rem mag depending on the range I was hunting.
If I hunted in brown bear country 375 H&H would be my go to gun.
If I only had one rifle to hunt with around the nation it would be my 6.5x55, it does everything very well, and does it with minimal recoil and muzzle blast.

X-Rap
January 30, 2012, 12:36 PM
Just one? It would be a 7MM or 300 Mag. Thank God I don't live in that world and need to tailor one gun to do it all.

BrocLuno
January 30, 2012, 03:09 PM
Gophers to ... maybe 20 Ga if you are pretty good :)

On centerfire rifle, I'd be leaning on 308 unless I was facing a Brown Bear. Uncle killed one with a 30-30 while out deer hunting, but it was the whole tube full of 170 grain torso and head shots and the bear was still comin until it got uncomfortably close :what:

So, if not bears, 308 for me. But that's because I love my Savage 99 - 308 :) If I didn't have that rifle, I'd likely be in another camp. It's so easy for me to shoot that one reasonable well, that I'll tote it most anywhere. And that's the point. A good fitting comfortable rifle that sights in well will do the job. From 257 Roberts to 8mm. It don't matter as long as you can place the round :D

T.R.
January 30, 2012, 06:16 PM
In this order:

1) .308

2) 300 Savage

3) 30-06

TR

Skyshot
January 30, 2012, 06:19 PM
The one that YOU shoot the best.

Art Eatman
January 30, 2012, 06:41 PM
Deer to 200 yards? While the hot-shot .22 centerfires will work, I'd figure that anything with the performance of the AK round on up would work just fine. IOW, multitudes of plenty-adequate cartridges. IMO, no such thing as "best".

I tend to agree with Skyshot, really. With knowledge and skill, darned near anything will work.

J-TIPTON
January 31, 2012, 11:10 PM
:)Ask him which he shoots either a Weather Magnum, or a Remington Ultra Magnum. If he bought one of those, he likely believes in the "hydrostatic shock transfer" theory. ;)

Now, the HST theory is all good and fine. But, if fails to explain the millions of game animals kilt-dead by muzzleloaders that never came close to 3000 FPS. I think those animals posthumously should file a grievance to redeem their lives. :D

Geno
Don't forget about the animals beat clubbed and shot with sticks..... :)

J-TIPTON
January 31, 2012, 11:20 PM
If I was going hunting and didn't know what for or what continent it was on id grab for an 06 hope I chose the right shells......how ever if I knew it was Africa I would at least grab a 300 win mag

Nico Testosteros
January 31, 2012, 11:56 PM
.30-06 is a great all rounder. And this is coming from a guy who hunts with a .270 win.

Legionnaire
February 1, 2012, 12:02 AM
My first choice is .308. I just loaded up some 110 grain cast bullets in front of Trail Boss, and am hoping I can find a mild recoiling and accurate load I might use for small game. But whether that works or not, I still think the .308 is a very versatile cartridge.

SeriousGunBlog
February 1, 2012, 08:05 AM
30-06 has stood the test of time. Next up, for me, is the 30-30

Kachok
February 1, 2012, 11:35 AM
^ my 121 year old 6.5x55 laughs at your 30-06s "test of time" :neener: LOL heck that is even older then the 30-30. Still the favorite of many an experenced hunter around the world after all these years. The 06 is a fantastic round too, but lets be honest here the 06 is way too much overkill for a deer, so all you get is twice as much blast and recoil. The 6.5x55 puts deer down without leaving you with ringing ears, and you can watch your bullet hit through the scope, never had to track a deer with it, all have died right there or within a twenty feet of where I hit them. It does not get any better then that IMHO. I would not hesetate to use it on elk for a second, just need to swap out my 120gr BTs for 140gr Partitions. That said the 06 is probably a slightly better choice on elk or any anamal over the 400lbs range, I will deal with the extra noise and recoil for a little extra UMPH on anamals of that size.

rori
February 2, 2012, 12:20 PM
When I was a very young man I had Oconnor itis. I killed a lot of critters with the 270 that he advocated so much!!! Moose, elk, deer, big bear, carabou etc. I never knew I was undergunned!!!! Now that I'm older and hopefully wiser my choice of an overall caliber for N.A. would be the 3006. It has so many bullets available for it that a person can tune it for most anything in N.A. With Barnes TSX's it will go end for end in a Roosevelts elk and goes thru them side to side with a lot of mess inside the critter! For smaller game, deer, carabou and black bear the 165 gr jacketed bullets work great. For varmants the 110 gr hollow points are just the ticket. If I had only one rifle it would be the old, proven 06. FRJ

wlewisiii
February 2, 2012, 03:22 PM
7x57 Mauser.

Kachok
February 2, 2012, 03:31 PM
7x57 Mauser.
Heck yeah, another really good oldschool round :) The old mauser rounds were such great performers that people are trying to copy them 100 years later (7x57 and 7-08, 6.5x55 and 260/6.5 Creedmore/6.5x47 Lapua) I tend to stick to the originals myself though there is nothing wrong with the newbies either.

Ala Dan
February 2, 2012, 03:35 PM
.25/06

Don357
February 2, 2012, 03:37 PM
.308
+1 on the .308

Picher
February 2, 2012, 04:13 PM
The 30-06 is a great hunting round. Kills anything it hits well and doesn't cause collateral damage to anything standing beside it, but may do so to anything in front or behind. :rolleyes:

(Just funnin' about collateral damage.)

Kachok
February 2, 2012, 05:07 PM
Most hunting cartrages are fully capable of taking game larger then you would think given good marksmanship. 243s, 6.5x55s, 30-30s and even 44 mags have been used for the largest of bears with great sucess, yes even the great Jack O'Connor traded his 270 for a handy 30-30 when tracking brown bear in the brush. It all comes down to shot placement and bullet selection. Find a level of recoil that you are comfortable with, not one that you can withstand for a few shots at the range, but one that is a joy to shoot, some people can enjoy those in the 20-30lbs recoil range....not me. Give me something in the 10-15lbs recoil range anyday. Take it from someone who endured large belted magnums for years that a sissy kicking 7mm-08, 25-06 or 6.5x55 will put a deer/hog down just as quick as a magnum cannon.

Doc.Holliday
February 2, 2012, 07:30 PM
Well in my opinion ; for what its worth; unless north american critters are becoming tougher or have taken to wearing Kevlar or there are various levels of dead; I would personally not feel undergunned with a 308.
My apologies to those needing the latest and biggest and those writers who espouse them.
I wonder how our forebears made due with their limited technology?

Doc

wildchild2010
February 2, 2012, 07:59 PM
[QUOTE=Art Eatman;7920998]Deer to 200 yards? While the hot-shot .22 centerfires will work, I'd figure that anything with the performance of the AK round on up would work just fine. IOW, multitudes of plenty-adequate cartridges. IMO, no such thing as "best".



An I thought I was the odd man out. 223 or Nagant in M-39 7.62x54r.

Kachok
February 2, 2012, 09:19 PM
6.5x55 versitility
85gr Speer HP @3500 fps varmint master, very similar to the 243 Win 70gr varmint load.
120gr Ballistic tip @3060fps flat shooting pronghorn-whitetail load, very similar to a 130gr 270 win w/ slightly better ballistics.
140gr Partition @ 2800fps well known elk load hits hard drives deep. Higher speed and better SD then a 30-06 180gr load with better ballistics.
160gr Weldcore @2600fps all purpose kill anything load, legendary penatration. Ultra high SD bonded bullet with great ballistics. With proper shot placement this will kill anything that walks the earth.
123gr Scenar @3000fps well known long range shooting load, with a remarkable .547 BC its trajectory and drift are near identical to a match grade 180gr 300 Win mag load.
That is one hella useful caliber, and the best part is your kids can shoot it comfortably. I have played with plenty of calibers over the years, but that one is a real standout, and my all time favorite.

TheGrimReaper
February 2, 2012, 11:32 PM
6.5x55 SE

Art Eatman
February 2, 2012, 11:47 PM
What makes me believe that all this "best cartridge" stuff is foolishness is just really easy: I don't want to go prairie-dogging with my '06. I don't want to go after an elk with my .223. And absent some tweaky little 00 buck loads, I really find better squirrel guns than a scoped '06 of some nine pound's worth.

Mostly deer? Must be at least twenty cartridges available which kill Bambi just as dead as anybody could ever want. Maybe more, but my Gamma Alpha Sigma factor is low. :)

denton
February 2, 2012, 11:56 PM
There is a pretty broad range of cartridges that for all practical purposes kill equally well. From 6.5x55 to 30-06, just pick whatever floats your boat. My all-around favorite is the 7x57 with 160 grain bullets loaded to 2750 FPS. That will work on anything on four legs in North America without as much recoil as even the 308. If you miss the recoil, you can always get a piece of 2x6, put it up against your shoulder and have your friend whack the other end with a large hammer.

With standard cup and core bullets, speeds above about 2800 FPS are counterproductive. The bullet opens too much, too soon and makes a shorter wound channel. Wound channel length is essentially constant at impact speeds between 2100 FPS and 2800 FPS. Above 2800, standard cup and core bullets actually kill less well.

If you like the 7mm Mag, then you are committed to using premium bullets on shots shorter than about 100 yards. What the 7mm gets you is NOT greater killing power, but a longer, flatter trajectory.

I have a couple of 30-06s, and like them. But I rarely take them to the range. By the time I've shot 15-20 rounds, it isn't fun anymore. My theory is that you should get a gun that you can enjoy shooting a lot. You'll get more use out of it, you'll be better with it, and it will kill stuff just as dead as the big magnums.

Here's a graph of average penetration distance vs. impact speed for several cup and core bullets:

http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww32/dentonbramwell/meanbulletpenetration.gif

csa77
February 3, 2012, 01:09 AM
my personal favorite is the .243

especially in the south east since there isn't game big enough to need any more power. it can do it all down here. its very common round for deer and hog and with heavy 100 grain bullets it can be used for black bear.


my next choice would be a 7mm mag but since there isn't alot of moose or elk in the south east its just overkill.

wyohome
February 3, 2012, 01:53 AM
My position is from this viewpoint: I grew up hunting the forests of the Pacific Northwest, about 3/4 of my big game kills have been offhand shots, I am not a huge guy at 5' 10" and 220 pounds. I have been shooting .308s since the early 1960s. I need a rifle that shoulders like a shotgun, doesn't knock me around much and has a short overall length. I own 4 .308 rifles, 2 of them (a 788 with a custom stock, and an older 760) fit me well and are accurate enough for the way I shoot. I have a Model 88 that does not fit me well, and a Kimber Longmaster Classic that fails to eject spent rounds, if in fact it fires at all. Being able to 'hit them where they live' as my Dad would say, is more important than the round you use. I use Ballistic Tips for deer and a good partitioned bullet for elk. I have never thought I was under-gunned. I was taught to hunt and stalk, not lob Hail Mary bullets from one mountain range to the next.

labillyboy
February 3, 2012, 02:02 AM
All around with optics... 30-06.

For deer I have a Remington Model 81 Woodmaster .35 Rem semi auto with iron sights (no optics) that works very well under 200 yds. 5 rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger cuts through leaves and twigs better than the ought 6.

I do love shooting my 300 Win Mag though...

wyohome
February 3, 2012, 02:13 AM
I found this interesting on the subject of bullet deflection.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot40.htm

Beak50
February 4, 2012, 02:10 PM
I think my next rifle will be a 6.5x55.For all I've heard and read about them is making me want one.That is one caliber I have never shot.Thank's for all the in-put guy's. Beak

Kachok
February 4, 2012, 03:04 PM
^ Good call, Sako, CZ and Tikka make top notch 6.5x55s, Ruger and Howa chamber it as well but I don't know as much about their rifles. I have heard that Savage and Winchester have done limited runs of 6.5x55 chambering in their 110 and Model 70 Featherweight, but I have never seen one for sale. My baby is a Tikka T3 Stainless and I could not be more happy with it. 6 1/4 lbs, compact, DEADLY accurate, sliky smooth action, great egornomics, totaly weatherproof and a perfect trigger it does not get any better then that IMHO.
If you don't handload I recomend you ask a friend who does to help you out, the majority of factory 6.5x55 ammo is way underpressure 140gr SPs, now mind you that is still plenty to put any deer on his @$$, but to truly exploit the full potential of the little Sweed handloading is a must. There are some Norma loads that are modern action pressure, but you would probably have to order them, no body around here carries it.

txcookie
February 4, 2012, 05:41 PM
30.06

joed
February 4, 2012, 09:07 PM
The best hunting cartridge is determined by the region you live in and what and where you hunt. I live in OH, to me the best cartridge is the .25-06. I've used it for varmint in OH, bear in Canada and dear in FL. It does everything I ask it to do without fault.

I do own other rifles but they are for other larger game or different purposes.

lefteyedom
February 5, 2012, 02:15 AM
Here the Deal

It is how well the shooter shoot the rifle that matters.

A Remington 308 with 180grain bullet at 2600 fps can print one raged hole at 600 yards
A Remington 7-08 with a 140 grain Nosler Partition at 2800 will do the same thing.

If you put ether 180 or 140 grain bullet into the correct location on any animal in North America it will cleanly kill it. A Magnum is not required to kill a mammal; a well place shot is.

Out to 300 yards a single point of aim will mostly get the bullet in the kill zone. A $300 range finder can tell the shooter what is need to hit a target out to 800 yards. (shooting at game over 500 yard is poor sportsmanship)

The most import thing is that shooters are comfortable and proficient with their weapon.

# That said, if you are going to build a custom, go for the 264/06 or the "6.5mm-284 Norma use 140 bullets if you need 3000 fps 160s if you dont.

Kachok
February 5, 2012, 02:22 AM
^ Don't forget the 6.5 rem mag, it outperforms the 264 win mag in sporter length barrels with similar powder charges to the 6.5-06. That said a well placed 140gr Partition or 160gr Weldcore will kill darn near anything at 6.5x55/260 rem speeds. 6.5s are not ideal for large dangerous game, but with their remarkable penatration a good marksman could drop a T-Rex with them. 25-06 is a super fine small bore too, it trades ultra high SD bullets and super penatration for lazer flat trajectory, one of the best open country deer calibers, with 120gr Partitions it is also said to be a suitable elk rifle too.

FlyinBryan
February 5, 2012, 02:34 AM
all around?

probably one of the .30's

308, 30-06, 300wm, etc,,,

LoonWulf
February 5, 2012, 04:19 AM
What ever you have in your hand when your hunting.....

StrawHat
February 5, 2012, 07:11 AM
If you have a 6.5x55 you will be well served for anything on this continent, bunnies to bear. If you are going to buy a new rifle, the 30-06 is a great cartridge. For Pennsylivania deer hunting, any one of the medium cartridges (243 through 35 Remington) will work. My preference is the 405 WCF but that is just me.

Vlad357
February 5, 2012, 12:10 PM
"Best All.Around" has to be the H&H .375! It will take anything on the planet, and by hand loading you can make up a nice deer round. Most of my rifle deer and bear hunting has been with the 243 and .30-06. But if I needed one cartridge for everything, it's the .375. Head shots for bunnies and tree rats?

cleardiddion
February 5, 2012, 01:39 PM
I think the .30-30 has been the sort of do-all pretty much everywhere I've been.

Kachok
February 5, 2012, 01:59 PM
While a 30-30 is fantastic in the brush I could not imagine trying to hunt wide open country with one, if all you ever hunt is thick woods a 30-30 is as good as any medium power deer rifle, but as an all around hunting caliber I would side with 25-06, 270, 30-06, 6.5x55 or 7-08 over it anyday. Just my .02

bangaway
February 5, 2012, 02:51 PM
You did not say what cal. mod 70 you had but sounds like its what you need. Guns like 30-30 run only 2200 fps and 45-70 is 1900 fps or less. .44 mag rifle speeds along at 1760 fps. All these guns are slow and proven deer getters. Speed is nice to flatten trajectory but I handload a .357 mag marlin for deer. Good shot placement is a big help. Have fun and bangaway.

denton
February 6, 2012, 12:37 PM
There is a pretty widely held belief that the key factors, in descending order, are:

1. Shot placement,

2. Bullet construction, and

3. Caliber.

My big game go-to is 7x57. 6.5x55 is fine. 308 is fine. 280 is fine. 30-06 is fine. 270 is fine. 260 is fine. With the right bullet, 243 is fine. As others have said, most shots are at under 150 yards and in that context a 30-30 is fine, as is a 357 or 44 Mag lever action.

I have a lightweight 308 that kicks like a bay mule. With reduced loads and 2500 FPS it's fine out to 300 yards or so.

Since they all work, my recommendation is to get something that you enjoy shooting so that you'll spend many happy hours at the range with it, as well as hunting with it.

Beak50
February 6, 2012, 03:26 PM
Sorry I thought I mentioned my Model 70 is in 7 Rem Mag,with a 6.5-20x40 leuopold Vari-x2

Eb1
February 6, 2012, 07:40 PM
12 gauge shotgun

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