Just ordered my first break-barrel air rifle!


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Busyhands94
January 29, 2012, 05:29 PM
Title pretty much says it. I have been having a bit of a problem, I don't get out to the range as often as I should. I've got .22s and blackpowder guns but decided to buy a good air rifle so I can plink in my backyard and keep my skills sharp. I had really been into airguns from the time I was 7 until I was probably 16 and got my first firearm. I tried Cb ammo in my .22, that stuff is quiet and I liked it but it's expensive. I then decided to go back to airguns for my target practice as a cheaper alternative, so I bought a Crossman Quest 1000 from Pyramid air. I'm still waiting to get it in the mail, but I did buy some Crossman Destroyer pellets and erect a small berm to shoot into at the end of my yard. So I figure this will be a fun way to get my trigger time in, but before I dive in is there anything I should know about break-barrel airguns? How do I keep it running consistently shot after shot? What kind of cleaning is required? I have only owned pneumatic airguns and CO2 pistols, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.

~Levi

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rcmodel
January 29, 2012, 06:37 PM
Never dry fire it without a pellet in the barrel.
It can knock the seals out without the air cushon slowing down the piston at the end of the stroke.

Use only Air-Gun Oil to oil the seals occasionally.
Other oils can desal or ignite in the cylinder and harm the seals.

Crossman pellets from Wallyworld are as good as it gets for accuracy until you get into expensive match grade pellets.

rc

snakeman
January 29, 2012, 06:39 PM
my favorite are premier hollow points from crosman

travisd
January 29, 2012, 06:55 PM
I used to have a Crosman Phantom before I sold it to buy my first .22. It's pretty much the same as the Quest. Don't dry fire it without a pellet, don't leave it cocked for long periods of time or the spring will get weak and it will lose power. I never really cleaned the barrel of mine and didn't have any problems. Crosman premier hollow points were always the most accurate. Was alot of fun to shoot in the basement and took a good number of squirrels with it too.

Sentry71
January 29, 2012, 07:50 PM
Depending on the rifle, you may also have to learn the artillery hold, to get accuracy out of it. There's a lot of info on the net about it, but my short definition (from experience) is this:

Hold the rifle securely but loosely in your hands. Let the rifle "vibrate" in your grip - don't pull it tight into your shoulder like a regular rifle. Seems counter-intuitive, but it lets the rifle do the work.
Cleaning a break barrel is rather simple, and rarely needed. Instruction book will have more info.

Hope that helps, and enjoy the heck out of it!

Busyhands94
January 29, 2012, 08:29 PM
Thanks for all this helpful info guys! I look forward to shooting my new airgun when it gets here! I will be sure to take good care of it. How loud would this be with some Crossman destroyers compared to say, CCI .22 CB shorts? I imagine keeping the velocity down with a heavier pellet would dampen the sound of the discharge. I figure another cool thing about this is that I can get the used airgun lead from my trap and make Minnie balls with it. That's a sweet little perk! :D

I do have another question, does the rubber butt pad come off with screws? I am thinking of maybe drilling out a compartment to stick some pellets in and some small survival items, that would be pretty cool! My buddy Jamie did that with his 10/22 Ruger, I liked it a lot.

~Levi

6x6pinz
January 29, 2012, 09:15 PM
I shoot the RWS Model 48. I just could not get behind moving the barrel each time I wanted to shoot. Yeah I know they are accurate but sometimes accuracy comes from a state of mind.
Pellet selection is the key to accuracy with the higher powered air rifles. You will need to try out several brands and styles to find the one that works best. I use crossman premier super match. I run a 3x9 scope on mine and without much effort keep 3" groups at 100yds. The pigeon population is down around the horse barn for some reason.

DMurphy
January 29, 2012, 09:20 PM
I am in the same boat. I have a Storm XT, Wich is about the same gun. The first 5 to 10 shot of mine were loud. It dieseled and broke the sound barrier. Now that it has settled down I would say it is a little less noisey than just a cap in my muzzle loader. I have around 1000 shots through mine and it shoots way better than I do. The trigger is bad out of the box but there is a couple of easy fixes for it. Hope you have as much fun with yours as I have with mine.

Chasing Crow
January 29, 2012, 09:28 PM
6x6 is correct, pellet selection is extremely important in air guns. Each rifle/pistol has a favorite it likes to be fed. I sighted in a Quest for a guy I work with and as stated previously, the artilery hold will come in handy on this rifle, as it does have a fair amount of spring bounce. Learning to shoot air guns will make you a better overall shooter. PyramidAir-Blog is a vast pool of knowledge on airguns, just go to pyramidair.com and click on blog. Tom has been researching, shooting and writing on air guns for years! Enjoy the new addiction.

Busyhands94
January 29, 2012, 10:27 PM
Well it sounds like I made the right choice in getting an airgun! I'm addicted to blackpowder, but I need to shoot with something cheap and quiet without all the boom and smoke. I am actually considering making a mold for airgun pellets, that would be cool to have just to cast a couple rounds for hunting or something like that. Maybe if I run out of pellets I'll put it to use, after all it's good to have a backup since I rarely go to wallmart. Now... Lets see if I can convince my mom to let me shoot in the house (into a pellet trap of course) when nobody is home. That would be so freakin' cool to be able to shoot in the living room. Course I'd need to put a piece of plywood up to catch any stray shots. I can't wait to get back into airgunning, this will be fun.

Geno
January 29, 2012, 10:41 PM
Congrats. I can't even begin to tell you how much fun I have had with my daughter, and her BB gun and pellet rifle. When ground squirrels began to invade the garden, I turned her loose. :evil: She has the pump-up style Crossman. Of course, she always wanted to use the full 10 pumps. The girl can shoot. Of course, she had to have pictures with her trophies. :cool: You are correct inexpensive and fun trigger time.

Geno

303 hunter
January 29, 2012, 11:09 PM
Lead pellets are much quieter than the high velocity alloy ones. This may matter if you have close neighbors. They are also more accurate in my Phantom. Lots of fun!

6x6pinz
January 29, 2012, 11:19 PM
After every tin I run some of the lead removal cleaner (same as I use for my 22LR's when I use lead bullets in them). Dry the barrel completely. You can order pellets online pretty easy. I just went to Ebay and bought small quantities of various brands/styles until I found some that worked well.

I used to use the crossman 2100 classic (pump style). when I got my RWS I tried the wd40 in the barrel to see what all the hype was about with the dieseling effect. Let me tell you it is not hype. I think I could have touched off a .40cal pistol and made less noise. Only did it once as the wife was real unhappy.

Have fun and enjoy.

BCRider
January 29, 2012, 11:24 PM
The pellets are hollow up the back. You won't be able to cast them like that. Just continue to buy them. They are cheap enough after all. Especially if you buy them in bulk.

The instructions with the rifle will tell you what sort of oil and how often to apply it. Don't do the typical man thing and just toss the book into a corner to be forgotten.... :D

I'm in the same boat as well for wanting something I can shoot at home. In my case doing so outdoors even with an air rifle would have folks all agog. But I've got around 15 to 17 yards of open space from front to back of the basement. So I'm thinking of small targets and a couple of air guns. Likely a break pump rifle and a break pump pistol. I don't want to get into the whole CO2 thing.

GJgo
January 29, 2012, 11:38 PM
I just got my first break barrel pellet rifle for Xmas, a Beeman. I tried using the PBA pellets, but found out quickly that they're really too light for a springer- you can feel / hear the difference when the spring piston smacks the end of the bore. Breaks the sound barrier too & echoes down the neighborhood. As it turns out mine's been more accurate with heavier pellets, anyway.

Moose1995
January 30, 2012, 12:50 AM
I have an RWS model 34. I have tried about a dozen different pellets in it, from RWS, Crosman, and Beeman. I can tell you, with absolute certainty, that the most consistently accurate pellets are the Beeman Kodiak Match pellets. And they are also as deadly as they come. Very heavy, and the first time you shoot a pesky rodent chewing your vegetable garden and you hear the telltale "POP" they make when they hit you will never even want to try another pellet. I know I don't. And BTW, I zeroed my scope in when I bought it 3 years ago. I don't go out and shoot it regularly at targets or anything. I only use it for vermin control. In 3 years, it has not lost its zero. I hit my target first time every time. Only twice have I had to take a second shot to keep something from needless suffering. These pellets are mean. My best shot was a one shot squirrel from about 50 yards. I heard the "pop", and it ran to a tree, got about 4 feet up it, and then fell and stopped moving. Try them. Hell, I recommend them so strongly I'd be willing to snail mail you a couple dozen!

Moose1995
January 30, 2012, 12:54 AM
One other thing. Make sure you get a scope specific for airguns, and make sure all you loctite all the screws when you mount it. Otherwise you'll be wondering why your accuracy stinks, and you can't hold a zero.

Busyhands94
January 30, 2012, 02:26 AM
Thanks for the tip on those pellets, I'll be sure to give those Beeman Kodiak pellets a try. I most likely will just use iron sights on it, I don't really scope my guns at all.

LoonWulf
January 30, 2012, 02:31 AM
Another pellet to try are the JSB Exact heavies, and AA fields. Both are fairly affordable, and have been excellent in my experience. I dont shoot springers well, but ANY airgun can be a real blast.

Chasing Crow
January 30, 2012, 07:34 AM
Just remember non airgun oils can also detroy the seals in your rifle. Springers really don't need much in the way of cleaning after the initial cleanup. If I remember correctly, most air shooters, including competition shooters, clean their bores seldom to none at all. Airgun rifling is very fine and can be damaged easily. CO2 guns do form moisture in the barrels and running a couple cleaning patches through to dry the barrel is a good idea after each shooting session.
Yes, indoor (livingroom) ranges are a big advantage to airgunners. My livingroom and hallway provide a 10 meter range for practice. And pure lead pellets saved from your pelet traps can be a great source of lead for round balls for your muzzleloaders! My daughter's first deer with a flintlock smoothbore was taken with a round ball she molded from our spent pellets.

Tempest 455
January 30, 2012, 08:57 AM
My son and I shoot air rifles all the time in the backyard. Off my deck is 50Y. Sometimes we go to the neighbors and shoot 100Y. That's a challenge with a .177!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y6EOUJ-HVI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8x_uUVkcK8

Busyhands94
January 30, 2012, 01:14 PM
Well I am definitely going to try some different pellets until I find the one that gives me cloverleaf groups! I have been thinking about getting one of those Gamo pellet samplers? I don't think I've ever shot Gamo before. I have shot RWS, those were pretty good but kinda expensive. I shot them in my Crossman 38T, it's a .22 caliber CO2 pellet revolver. It actually gave decent groups, given I do my part and don't drink too much coffee beforehand. Daisy pellets were pretty good, Crossmans were fabulous. Sadly I don't have that nice little gun anymore, I gave it to a friend who had a HUGE rat problem. Course, having an airgun was great because I could shoot in my shop. No smoke, relatively quiet compared to .22 CB's from a pistol barrel, a tackdriver, and I could shoot outside the shop if I wanted to as well. It's like a firearm minus all the inconveniences that keep you from shooting regularly! :)

~Levi

zxcvbob
January 30, 2012, 01:28 PM
Springer airguns destroy scopes, even scopes that can handle powerful rifles. The recoil is different. So if you scope yours, get one that's made for high-power air guns. (or a Leupold, supposedly they'll take the punishment)

Busyhands94
January 30, 2012, 10:18 PM
I do have an airgun scope my fishin' buddy gave me, not too powerful though. I was going to try it on my .22, but I don't have the stuff to mount it with. I might try putting it on my airgun for longer range shooting, that might be fun! Although I have the eyes of a hawk, I shoot irons at 100+ yards at water jugs and hit a good number of times.

Now I might go hunting with it on my neighbor's land since it's quiet enough and sound won't carry as far as a .22 rifle. I want to try those Kodiak pellets, I'm also thinking about getting some Rabbit Magnums to try. Those are heavy and shaped like little bullets, I have also found in my 760 air rifle (I used to hunt with it) that Crow Magnums are definitely great pellets. They kill pretty cleanly, I like that because I NEVER want to make an animal suffer. What I want is to pull the trigger and have my kill drop like a stone, that's ethical and what God would want us hunters to do.

~Levi

Tempest 455
January 30, 2012, 10:25 PM
I've been using a Tasco world class on my RWS for years. No problems.

Also regarding the cleaning. I clean the bore after a tin of pellets. Approx 250. I use a Q-tip soaked in CLP and push through w/ a steel rod. This is typically what they look like when it needs cleaning.

https://home.comcast.net/~ericdouthitt/DSCN7819.JPG

https://home.comcast.net/~ericdouthitt/DSCN7820.JPG

thomis
January 30, 2012, 10:50 PM
I love airguns! There was a time when i owned more airguns than firearms. I still have a few custom jobs in the safe but I have sold most. As sentry said, spring guns are "recoil sensitive" meaning you have to hold them a certain way. You won't be able to rest your new rifle like you would a firearm. Your shots will bounce all over the place. If the Quest has a dovetail to mount the scope to, you might need a scope stop. They are inexpensive. Otherwise the scope will creep forward with every shot, throwing off your zero.
A good way to clean the bbl is using weed eater line. Take a lighter and soften one end of a 3 foot section and flatten it a bit. Then make the other end sharp so you can thread patches directly on it and pull them through the bbl.

Random Discharge
January 30, 2012, 11:19 PM
Stay away from "heavy" and "light" pellets. Neither are good for a spring rifle. The Quest 1000 will do best with pellets that weigh between 8 and 9 grains. As already mentioned, light pellets will destroy your internal seal (too little resistance), but heavy pellets will wear out your spring.

At close range (10 yards) match pellets with flat heads are OK. Much farther than that, you need to get dome pellets for accuracy. Crosman Premier Lights (7.9 gr) are a good standby dome head pellet that shoots well in most rifles. JSB exacts are another good one to try.

Careful with steel cleaning rods. Airgun barrels are softer steel than a fire arm barrel - steel rods are not so good for the rifling. The weed eater line and patch is the way to go. Goo Gone works great for barrel cleaning-light and leaves little residue. Clean it before you shoot it.

Never use petroleum based oil inside the air chamber. It will diesel/explode. This is terrible for your seal and spring. Look for 30 weight pure silicone shock oil at hobby stores (on-line) for remote control cars. A couple drops every 1000 pellets is plenty. Grease and oil on parts that aren't in the air chamber are OK, just not inside it or the barrel.

In addition to finding the right pellet, let your rifle break in for a couple hundred shots before you render a verdict. Blue lock tight on stock screws is a good idea if they loosen (let sit 24 hours), as loose screws are no good for accuracy.

The Quest is not known for its trigger, but there is an after market trigger that helps quite a bit if you like the rifle enough to put another $30 into it.

Enjoy it. Airguns are addictive.

PedalBiker
January 30, 2012, 11:24 PM
I use old phone books inside my steel backstop. I found the pellets were splattering in my backstop (not good in the house or garage). I have the RWS48 and it's not terribly powerful by today's standards, but it's way more than you need for indoors.

thomis
January 31, 2012, 09:00 AM
**the weed-eater bore cleaner also works great on firearms where you don't need a brush and you just want to swab the bbl**

Busyhands94
January 31, 2012, 12:38 PM
Well that doesn't look too dirty, I am guessing that just swabbing the bore and cleaning the breech now and then should be adequate.

One thing throws me off though, Pyramid air says that the gun weighs 6.02 lbs, but FedEx tracking says that it weighs 5.1 pounds, AND I ordered a tin of pellets with it. That is awful strange, that and it says it's been in Ohio for a couple days now and that it's in transit. If it's one thing I despise it would be slow shipping on guns. It happens with my blackpowder guns, it drives me crazy.

~Levi

Moose1995
January 31, 2012, 09:59 PM
Stay away from "heavy" and "light" pellets. Neither are good for a spring rifle. The Quest 1000 will do best with pellets that weigh between 8 and 9 grains. As already mentioned, light pellets will destroy your internal seal (too little resistance), but heavy pellets will wear out your spring.
I don't know that I would buy into that too much. Maybe for the lighter pellets, but as for heavier, I know that many rifles are made using the same spring to power a .177 cal and a .22 cal version of the same rifle. My RWS 34 is certainly one of them. I have used Beeman Kodiak match pellets almost exclusively (completely exclusively if I don't count the first few weeks when I was testing which pellets worked best in my rifle) and it is every bit as powerful now as it was the day I bought it.

Tempest 455
January 31, 2012, 10:17 PM
Forgot to mention, I've had my RWS for 27 years. It's as accurate today as the day i got it. Not sure how that stacks up to other models but seems impressive to me!

Busyhands94
February 2, 2012, 12:41 AM
Well that definitely sounds like a good solid airgun. I have shot RWS pellets in a pistol before, they were great. If RWS makes guns that are as good as their pellets then sign me up!

~Levi

shiftyer1
February 2, 2012, 01:43 AM
I've had alot of fun with my first and only break over pellet rifle. Once it was sighted in I was hitting clothes pins consistantly at 40 yards and also cut the clotheline with 3 shots. My wife wasn't very happy with me but I was pretty inpressed, bottle caps a little farther out. The trigger on mine sucks but I can't do that with any other gun I own.

Busyhands94
February 4, 2012, 03:27 PM
Well I got it today, and shot some pellets in my backyard. I love this rifle! The stock looks like beechwood, I like it. It reminds me of those Opinel knives. I shot a soda can full of water with a Crossman destroyer pellet, for being a pellet gun that thing sure does have quite some power behind it. The can was split wide open, it actually did more than those CB shorts I was using. I think that's due to the destroyer pellets, they really are impressive. I think I want to try those Crow Magnums next, at the higher velocities I bet they'd really snuff out small game.

~Levi

bigger hammer
February 4, 2012, 06:07 PM
I'm kinda surprised that no one has mentioned a danger with break barrel rifles. It occurs when reloading, at the moment that you're putting the new pellet into the chamber. YOU MUST hold onto the end of the barrel with your free hand. If you don't, and you manage to somehow pull the trigger, the barrel can close on your fingers. This is probably in your instruction manual, but many don't read them.

Develop the habit of using your off hand to break the barrel, and then hold onto it. It's easy to do, if you place the butt on your hip or belt for support. Then, with your strong hand, load the new pellet. Use your off hand to close the barrel.

edwin41
February 4, 2012, 06:25 PM
hello
i got a break barrel airgun for years now , i used it to convince the mice in my voliere to better find another home to nest in , and it did a great job at it.
i personnaly dont like micepoison and clamps , so i went for a airgun.
its a weirauch hw 30 in 4.5 mm cal and i got the original weirauch silencer
on it , later on i mounted a webley mill dot scope and bipod as i didnt see the original true glow as good as i used to in the semi dark .
i wipe the gun down with a damp oily cloth with ballistol oil , and from time to time shoot a cleaning pellet from vfg type 66792 through the barrel.
its a kind of vilt pellet on wich i put a drop of ballistol on.
i also use the ballistol on the moving parts that i see and the sealring.
its a very accurat and quiet airgun , some ten years old now and looks and shoots as new.
enjoy the hobby !

Certaindeaf
February 4, 2012, 07:00 PM
I'm kinda surprised that no one has mentioned a danger with break barrel rifles. It occurs when reloading, at the moment that you're putting the new pellet into the chamber. YOU MUST hold onto the end of the barrel with your free hand. If you don't, and you manage to somehow pull the trigger, the barrel can close on your fingers. This is probably in your instruction manual, but many don't read them.

Develop the habit of using your off hand to break the barrel, and then hold onto it. It's easy to do, if you place the butt on your hip or belt for support. Then, with your strong hand, load the new pellet. Use your off hand to close the barrel.
What? Maybe don't pull the trigger.

Busyhands94
February 4, 2012, 07:22 PM
Well I just fired a couple dozen pellets from my new rifle, I'm hooked for good now. I even figured out how to hold it to get good accuracy. I dialed in the sights, and I can shoot ketchup packets from about 90 feet, and that's pretty good I'd say. I love my new rifle! That's probably the best 80 bucks I ever spent. I had a chance to recover the a few of the Crossman destroyers, they mushroomed out very nicely.

I did read about holding the barrel, I did that every shot and will make a habit of doing that.

As for the shipping, I say with all my experience I have had with FedEx Ground that they are horrible. I had to pull a Tom Sawyer just to get my gun, but I got it this morning. I called them about 5 or 6 times yesterday, they don't deliver Saturdays. Well I managed to get my package after all that nagging and trickery I did. It worked too! :) Finally I scheduled the delivery for this morning, got up, had my coffee, then signed for my package. Outstanding service. I'm sticking with UPS instead of FedEx for as long as I live. I love how I can just get that light bulb above my head to turn on when I really need something. I got my package on Saturday and FedEx doesn't even deliver today. Ha! I win!

Levi

zxcvbob
February 4, 2012, 08:03 PM
If you don't, and you manage to somehow pull the trigger, the barrel can close on your fingers. This is probably in your instruction manual, but many don't read them.
Even worse than that, it can destroy the gun if it slams shut and your finger's not there to cushion it. That barrel has a lot of momentum, it will just keep going after it snaps shut.

Moose1995
February 5, 2012, 12:56 AM
The RWS 34 automatically engages the safety when you cock the barrel. No way it slams your finger if you accidentally pull the trigger. Besides, the basic rules of firearm safety also apply to airguns. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. It can be de-cocked by turning off the safety, then holding the barrel and pulling the trigger. BTW OP, I agree with the Fed ex thing. They stink compared to ups. Plain and simple. I never have delivery issues with UPS, and I have had issues with fed ex on 3 separate occasions now.

Busyhands94
February 5, 2012, 02:40 AM
I just can't believe I actually had to trick em' to get my gun. I'll be at college Monday to Thursday so I figured I should do everything I can to get my package. I'm glad it worked so well! What I did is I did my "old man" voice and told them that I had only one leg and there were crutches in the package and my wheelchair broke. I also said that I had some catheters in there and that I'm down to my last catheter and I can't go a whole weekend without needing one. Well it worked! And can you believe they were hesitant to deliver even after I told them that? I really had to raise hell and be persistent to get it but I finally did. Believe me, I'm usually nicer than that and I know that wasn't very High Road of me. But I have had it with FedEx, they stink. Good thing they delivered on Saturday!

My friend Bennett said he's got a squirrel problem, with those destroyer pellets I'll definitely be of some help to him. I'll let you guys know how well that works for me.

~Levi

LTR shooter
February 5, 2012, 09:18 AM
The RWS 34 automatically engages the safety when you cock the barrel.

As does my Beeman R7. I also have an older rifle - a Weihrauch HW30 without a safety. Regardless , I always grip the rifle by the forend when loading.

Air rifle target shooting has given me many hours of enjoyable shooting. The accuracy is actually very good. After one winter of shooting air rifle on a weekly routine my shooting with "real" firearms had improved by the following spring/summer.

Busyhands94
February 5, 2012, 01:36 PM
That is actually one of the reasons I purchased an air rifle. I'm hoping my frequent pellet gun shooting will trickle into my firearm shooting. I like that it is cheap and quiet, I can practice more without going to the range.

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